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October 26, 2010 123 Comments
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Chicharito’s good!
Bebe now has the same amount of goals as Mr. Ambition and in less minutes…
Great goal by Chico..let the defender all over the place !!
Remind me about our scouting network
Cheers Scot the red, nothing like facts to break up an arguement eh!
Get in there Javier*
Bebe now has the same amount of goal as Mr. Ambition in less minutes…
As we say over here, Chicha handed their defenders barf bags the way he was twisting and turning…
As Ihave always thought you can take the horse to the water and try and make it drink, but it will still be a arse, if it dont drink and consume what it is offered, Facts
i cant believe we paid that much money for a kid who needs a deflection to score a goal
(sarcasm)
Great pass by Carrick too
excellent goal!!!
so good had to watch it twice
Noticed how he collected the ball from Carrick 10 yards into our half, feed Gibson superbly and what a turn of pace to be 10 yards ahead of Gibbo to take the return pass in their box!! Wow!
Parks was class too.
Head, right foot, left foot – all the same to the Little Pea Shooter!
All those people saying we should’ve spent £30m-£40m on Benzema instead of ‘only’ £7m on Chicharito. Lemme ask you would you swap ‘em now?
Started and finished by Chicho and in way a way. That dummy was devastating. The YouTuber’s will be having a whale of a time sticking that one in their highlight reels. i’m almost tempted to put some cash on Chicharito being top scorer this season.
Great second half. It is a shame we are giving away silly goals,
On this form, Chicharito should play ahead of Rooney!
United do indeed have their senior vetran players, but no other top club in Europe can compete with the amazing young talent already being blooded through to our first team at the same time by Sir Alex: Fabio, Rafael, Evans, Smalling, Obertan, Gibson, Bebe, Macheda and Chicho not to mention the players due to step into the first team picture in a couple of years: Pogba, Morrison, Eikrem, etc The young talent at our great club is simply unrivalled by any team in europe
Chicharito looks like the perfect clutch player. I can’t imagine the amount of late winners he’ll probably score for us in the future. His movement and finishing is literally world-class.
Bebe was also impressive, his touches were good and he had a positive attacking attitude in the game. After a year or so when Sir Alex has polished him up, we’ll have two Nani’s.
Debasser – the pass was from Gibson….. I know that shocks you but its not like he’s done that much so you shouldn’t take what he did manage to do away from him…… lol
@Hurr…nice nickname ‘MR AMBITION’……haha
hahaha i want a gif of bebe’s lil dance!
Hernandez will either push Rooney out wide ala Ronaldo, or keep him out of the team. YHIHF.
Just saw the Rooney pics in Dubai. Not sure what to make of the media’s take on his “Frivolous spending”. However i know that i would have liked if he kept a low profile. Muppet. Viva Hernandez
Chicharito is handsome like Ronaldo…. but actually javier has sexier eyes :p
Hernandez is ridiculously good-looking but looks too young to seriously find attractive. Still jealous of that pitch-invading fan that got a cuddle off him though.
Bebe’s celebration was indeed the gayest one i’ve ever seen. Perhaps the streets of lisbon aren’t so tough after all…
….and my comment has nothing to do with the vids haha.. great goal by chicha he’s like Ole to me… stepping it up when we need him!
some players can straight away get mix in the team. some of them need time, as what we see in nani. chico maybe mi in in less time, bebe probably need some time. but we have a tremendously good young talent for future.
sun, daily mirror…eat your words back….
abuot 46K in attendance today….have to say it did have a lot of energy in the first half. good to see bebe and obertan start a game….
hey, at least we did not draw against a third tier team like madrid did in the copa del rey, even with ronaldo, di maria and co.
GIF of Bebe’s goal celebration:
http://www.unitedarmy.info/gif-celebrate-the-bebe-way/
Looks a bit funny
.
kissing the badge already little pea….. lets hope he doesnt go down the path of certain other people.
what a fking blinder by chico, i’m loving this guy.. breath of fresh air..
HE CAME FROM MEXICO AND MADE CHELSEA, VALENCIA, STOKE,AND WOLFS CRY
Nice to finally be looking at something that looks like a striker.
haha thanks sir alex!!
Chicharito will have 15 goals at seasons end, in all competitions for United.
Mr Ambition can count his wage on bench right now…
http://www.theunitedreligion.com/2010/10/future-is-theirs.html
Delighted for Bebe, this will do a whole lot for his confidence! Oh my, Chicharitoo.you know, all this just tells me one thing time and time again.Sir Alex is the best man ever ever to be in charge of this beautiful game. You see, don’t need to splash the cash to find another Ole! Brilliant brilliant fella. After Mr Ambition’s saga I was telling myself, ok I’ll have to be weary of being overly in love any other of our players, but I can’t do it! Haha! Oh and sorry to rake it up, but have you seen what Mr Ambition’s been up to while we’ve had a tough away game?a ten hour flight to Dubai,four hour lunch with fatty stuff- and he’s injured.you know, the rest of our guys would never do this. Look at
Rio, he was out for many weeks but still came for all our games.
Sweet ending but stodgy to watch at times. The Pea is a startling signing, I just hope they raise his wages to show appreciation. Seriously, this is the standard for our back up strikers; Kiko.needs to go on loan, Welbeck to send us a cheque.
Only sorry that Obertan didn’t score. MotM for me.
Kiki seems to be getting alot of unfair critism on the net. He was poor in the first half but was alot better in the second. And what people forget is he was pretty much playing as a sole striker which is one of the hardest roles in football which usually calla for bags of experience to pull off. Rooney only just mastered it last season for example. He is just a couple of years short of experience to be able to adapt to it IMHO.
Gibson today showed exactly why him being as united still was a mistake,he should have been out on loathe had too many shortcomings and neeed to be on loam
The first half was one of the worst most boring halves of football I have ever had the misfortune of watching. My goodness that was awful.
Oh, and I bow down to Hernandez. What a badass
Fuck me he’s cool ain’t he? No panicking when the balls knocked through and trying to hit it first time, just let the defender sell himself and look stupid, and make an easier chance for yourself. Same as his winner against Valencia, let the ball come across your body.
I can think of any number of players his age who would have panicked in that situation. remember when we first signed Cole? He was shitting himself every time a good chance came along for his first 18 months until he settled, and he was older and experienced. This kid is frightening.
It’s amazing as to the kind of impact Chico has had on the team..Utd looked far far better when he came on..This lad is destined for bigger things..I wouldn’t beyond him to be the top goal scorer this season..It’s within his reach if he starts regularly..God bless you Chico..Hope you stay at Utd forever..
Bebe had an outstanding game..considering the opposition he used to face before this was a major leap and he came out with flying colours..Very fortunate goal but he was extremely hard working and willing to take on the defender..his attacking attitude is what impressed me the most..Yes, he lost the ball on a few occasions but more often than not he beat his man..will get better as he settles in..And what’s with the celebration lad
???
What a great run to get himself into position and what a move to get himself a clean look. Keep it up.
LOL at Bebe’s celebration. Now i hope that opens the floodgate for him.
@Giles Oakley may i add “with his face and the back of his head” too
and to Park-haters.. see? I always think Park is actually good enough for any game.. and to play in one game only to get benched the next three games does not help. And his selfless attitude doesnt help him with his place in the team. He is good enough but since the squad is really big, i dont really mind him sold to generate some cash and make space for our youngsters like Obertan..
great to see bebe and park score. game winner chicharito is really some talent, he just keeps scoring important goals.
wolves being able to score two goals at old trafford is a concern though…
He’s our little Mexican
Still a boy not yet a man
But wow can he score goals
Cicharitoooooo!
He scores with left and right
He’s our Mexican delight
Oooooooooooh
Cicharitoooooo!
chicharito’s overall game has improved so much even since the community shield.he is doing everything that owen was supposed to do when we got him!!i think it would be better if we sold owen in january to make some cash rather than losing him for free later.i have nothing against owen.i will always remember him for the city goal but i think we really don’t need him now…
Anyone else hear that the latest keeper we are in for is Given? t’was on the Irish wireless this morning
Guys, any links to what the papers are saying about Bebe now?
Lovely finish from Park and Chicharito continues to impress. Bebe looked very promising and has a way of forcing his way through defenders and somehow taking the ball with him – could turn out a great signing. Obertan was awesome though – yeah he gave the ball away a few times, but his runs were great. Hoping to see a few PL cameos from Obertan and Bebe in the future
For those who complained that we did not splash the cash in the summer I ask you, would you replace Little Pea with the likes of Suarez, Aguero or Benzema?
@Viz
He’s already got 6 goals. 15 total? I’d say 15 minimum. If between now and the end of the season, which is still 6 months away, he doesn’t score another 9 times I’ll be shocked.
Bebe looked good. Sure, he’s raw, but he showed enough in the first 20 or 30 minutes. Great physical powers, good skill, fights for the ball, uses his body well, puts the defense under pressure, could be a real talent for the future. Seemed to tire later on, though.
Obertan was excellent at the start, then disappeared, then re-appeared only to cock it up when he had Kiko (I think) open but took a wild shot himself. Still, I can’t help but feel confident about his future.
I guess that this year, both these guys will see action mostly in the Carling Cup. It will do then good, though.
Chicharito is the real deal. He just needs to keep going. More game time for him, the better. What that says about Rooney, I don’t know. That’s for the boss to figure out. As I pointed out in another post, when you’ve got two A-list strikers on the payroll (in our case, Berba and Rooney), both will expect to start regularly. They won’t expect to sit on the bench. And for that matter, nor will the club or fans expect to see them on the bench — who wants to pay $160k a week (or whatever it is) to a bench-warmer?
In the short to medium term (until Rooney regains his form), I don’t see how he can dislodge either Berba or Chicha. Then, when he does get his form back, that will present a different problem (assuming Berba and Chicha are both still on song and still uninjured). And remember, the trend in our CL campaigns has been to play just one striker, so two would have to be left out.
Given that in the big games, the boss likes to play three in the middle, that means either a lone striker with two wide men, or a single (roving) winger and two up-front; but in either case, it seems impossible to get Berba, Chicha, Rooney and Nani all on the field at the same time.
Some would say that’s a nice problem to have, but the trouble is, when you have three hot strikers and at least one (and often two) can’t start, that can become an issue in terms of motivation and, well, yes, ambition. (While I really hate what Rooney did over the last few weeks, there’s still no denying that no A-list player will be satisfied with taking turns from the bench. The “strong squad/rotation” policy may be necessary, but it does have inherent problems.)
Yet despite all this, there are still some fans who apparently want to splash the cash on yet another top-class striker like Torres or Benzema (or whoever)?
@Long John … I haven’t heard about Given. I know a lot of people here hate him for whatever reason, but I think he’s a top keeper. We could do worse. Still, he’s 34 already. I know keepers develop late and hang around longer, but still, I’d have to think he’s only good for another 3-5 years. This is a problem position for us, though, with VDS retiring sooner rather than later and neither back-up goalie looking all that impressive as a permanent replacement. For me, good goalies are like good drummers: there are very few teams (bands) who make it to the top with an ordinary goalie (drummer) at the back.
What a 2nd Half!
Bebe – when the fitness trainers get at him he could be awesome in a few months/year. He bursts past players and he was being marked by a fucking mountain of muscle last night (is there a bigger fullback playing at the minute anywehere in the world?). From what i have seen in the reserves he crosses early and he really fizzs the ball in – also looks to have a heavy stinging shot on him.
Obertan – flying machine seems to lose control of himself occassionally has loads of potential.
Fabio – though he put in a good shift last night one stunning goal saving block on Hunt when Jarvis laid another chance on the plate.
Chicharito – WOW last few days he has been awaesome – that header against stoke, is there any player in the world would have scored like that? Think we should have a competition to give it a name How about the JALAPENO – so fucking hot. The little pea was born to score goals so sharpe. He has improved his touch so much over the 1st few n months his passing too but god he is electrifying. Wayne got more than Colleen to worry about now, on current form he will be warming the bench. Chicharito what a wonderful buy, hope he fulfills his potential.
I thought carrick did well yesterday night……he showed some glimpses of his earlier form, he intercepted a good few times, and played a few delightful balls, one of them resulted in the goal for Park.
Some of them missed their target, but at least it showed he was regaining his confidence and was starting to pass the ball forward once again…..a fit and in-form Carrick is important to United’s success as he did in two of those three years……I hope he continues this improvement..
Suarez would be an excellent signing. Good finishing plus he is creative. Benzema is talented but hasnt got many chances to impress at Real Madrid. SAF is a big fan of his and wont be surprised if SAF gets him and gets the best out of him. We do need another striker in the summer. Berba will be 30 now, Owen hardly plays and Kiko showed yesterday he has a long long way to go. Still living on that goal he scored against Villa. Welbeck and Diouf have done ok during their loan spells but nothing to suggest they can get into the first team immediately
Suarez would be a good signing for someone like the dippers – we don’t need another cunt up front.
@ Rooney > England
Hi There. Can you please show me evidence of when SAF was a fan of Benzema? Who in my opinion at least is a money grabbing mercenary rotting away at real madrid. Not given his chance you say? Well may be because he is not good enough……. Make mine a little pea any day of the week
@ bigphill2003
By Another cunt I presume you mean Mr Ambition? LOL
Litle Pea is quality!!
I’m not at all convinced by Macheda though :/
Rooney > England … so we buy Suarez or Benzema. Then you have four top-line strikers to juggle. True, Berba will be 30 in January, but I would think he’s still got at least 2 good years left in him. (Maybe more, given his lifestyle and his playing style.) So how are you going to juggle those four for the next 1-3 years? All of them will want a regular starting place. None of them will be satisfied with Carling Cup fixtures and early-round FA Cup fixtures. They will want to be in the limelight of the PL and CL (and in a lot of those matches, we generally start with only one striker). And they won’t be satisfied with subbing from the bench either. I just can’t see it working — sooner or later, at least one of them will want to go somewhere he can get regular first team football (and furthermore, I wouldn’t blame him!).
And then, by the time Berba is over the hill (and maybe goes back into the midfield), I’d expect at least one and maybe two of our current youngsters to have stepped up, so the problem wouldn’t go away. It would be “same shit, different pile”.
Nah, I just can’t see it working. Two strikers who have consistently proven themselves at the highest level; plus one who is a rising force and is starting to challenge (good enough so that when he plays, you don’t automatically think the team is weakened); plus 2-4 youngsters with “potential”. That’s what the club needs — and that’s what we’ve got. And a nice spread of ages amongst our top three, too: 29, 25, 22.
Adding another top striker (someone with enough quality to expect regular first team football at any leading club) just spells “problems” for me.
@CedarsDevil … you raise a good point. I’m not a fan of Benzema, but as you say, he’s rotting away at RM. So from his perspective, I could understand he’d want to move — but then, surely, he would want to go to a club where he’s got at least assurance of regular first team football. If he came to us, who would he displace? Not Berba, and not Chicharito. And not Rooney either (Rooney might be a money-grabbing whore, and he might be out of form right now, but once he regains his form, his whoredom will be soon forgiven … and an in-form Rooney would eat Benzema any day). And if Benzema couldn’t displace any of those three for regular first-team football (which he couldn’t), then why would he come here anyway? To sit on the bench, like he does at Real? And why would we want to pay him to do that? (Or Suarez or anyone else, for that matter.) Can’t see it working for him or for us.
@ StatesideAussie
Good point on Benzema. I for one never want him near OT and if the ‘whore shagging. mr ambtion’ (LOL) starts firing on all cylinders than we certainly do NOT need another striker.
I have always reiterated that we need a strong holding midfielder and by next season an attacking one…
2 players is all we lack at the moment to be world beaters and whilst I am still hope full on Hargo now I have my doubts…
Then again Fergie knows fuck all, I mean no value in the market and he grabs this little pea for 7 million what a waste of money on an unknown……….ala Ronaldo and mr ambition himself
SAF did want to sign Benzema before he went to Madrid and also was interested in 2008 but that time Benzema wanted to stay at Lyon. The number of games United play mean we need 4 good strikers just like in 1999. How to ‘fit’ them is something i will leave to SAF, he has done it in the past. Suarez might be a ‘cunt’ but he is a fantastic player and thats more important, plus he is versatile. One striker a couple of mids and a keeper is what we need. Sure there will be lot of activity in the next transfer window both ways, ins and outs
The team played well in the first half ,and in the second looked like the midfield dissappeared.
Ben Amos look like a young teen out off place.
Bebe coming along well .
Gabriel looked frustrated after a brilliant start and his game came off a bit.But he picked it some in the 2nd half.
But this time we beat the first string of wolves,brilliant.
CedarsDevil – Not being funny mate, but United bid 25/30 million for Benzema, I’d say that’s prove Fergie rated he guy, or I’m I missing something? It seems some can’t get their head around the fact, that United and SAF were prepared to pay some of the Ronaldo money on Benzema, get over it lads.
@CedarsDevil
Lets not go over the top, Chicharito is a good signing but we have had our share of flops over the past 2 years. Also looking at Ljajic play at Fiorentina it was a big error not to sign him, he looks a class act already and is just 18. WIll be a world class player in a few years time
unfortunately for Benzema, he doesnt stand a chance gettin a start for Real at the moment.Higuain,Di Maria and Ronaldo are looking pretty good as a front 3. Mourinho only puts him on for the last 10-15 mins in games but looks well short of confidence anyway. He looks like a player who knows his chance is passing him by,and if Kaka was fit he probably wouldnt make the bench.We certainly dont need him, but i dont count chickens (or cows for that matter!) anymore.
Maybe Rooney should be given a go in central midfield? and Berbatov and Hernandez up front?
Owen ruled out for 3 more weeks with a hamstring problem.
@ willie
Hi mate, is there solid proof that we bid for Benzema? Or is it the usual paper crap that we choose not to believe?
@ Rooney > England
Mate, I am not going over the top, just being sarcastic, NOT towards you but to some fickle fans who seem to change their mind after every game…..
cheers
@CedarsDevil
http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Manchester-United-had-Benzema-offer-rejected-says-Gill/5419/
CedarsDevil – Yes mate, we did bid for him. If you check some of Scotts old threads, you’ll see Sir Alex confirm we were in for him, but Madrid topped our offer. For the record, I did want United to sign him, but I’ve went off him now, he looks tad over weight.
@CedarsDevil
i see. Sorry then. While i am not saying we must spend foolishly we have put ourselves in a tricky situation where we have to buy players who will slot into the first team instantly. We did sign Anderson and nani with an eye on the future and while Nani is coming good now, Anderson still looks way short. Think gibson needs more regular games. Carrick and Park are nearly 30 now.
@ willie
May be so, its a blessing in disguise we did not get him then and instead got the little pea…..
@ Rooney > England
imscouting, not really a reliable source but I believe you guys and again I will say I am glad we did not get him
@Cedarsdevil
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8489038.stm
BBc, more reliable.
Honestly speaking i feel he is a class act. Wanted us to get him last season but he wanted to go to Madrid. Fair enough. While i am not desperate to see him at United i feel if we get him SAF will get the best out of him
@ Rooney > England & willie
Have to run off now and cheers for the nice chat… We may at times agree or disagree on a variety of issues BUT one thing that keeps us together is the undoubted love for our club.. UNITED
I guess you guys do not need to feed me more proof that we did bid for Benzema, I believe you! LOL
See ya later fellow REDS
Costas – Maybe that’s why the boss doesn’t give Owen a consistent run in the team, for fear of him breaking down.
Rooney > England. Are you serious mate? We do not need a striker especially a fucking nonce. You say Macheda has a way to go well how on earth can he grow if we bring in more strikers? How many do you want like? Berba, Wayne, Hernandez and Macheda.
Chicharito>Benzema. Fin. We’ve got 3 proven forwards in Chicharo, Berbatov and Rooney and 4 when Owen’s fit. For this season at least I see no reason to shell out big bucks on another forward when midfield is the real issue.
Llijac? Oh missed out on him did we? Much rather see the like of Cleverley, Morrison, Corry etc getting a go seeing as they have grown up the United way.
@King Eric
macheda gets very few games anyways. Ideally would like to see him go on loan in Jan or next season for a year so that he will get regular games and improve.
@king eric
Morrison and Corry Evans still have some way to go. Cleverley can get into the first team. Ljajic would have made the first team this season
Rooney – Oh I know mate cant can’t say I am fussed about Ljijac. Herad enough about him last season. Obviously summat the gaffer didnt like or was it a dodgy deal? Only messing. Not going into that again!!
Cant catergorically say he would have made the first tema. The Russian league is somewhat inferior.
A thought for us all re Chicharito…..
Iron clad fantastic start to his UNITED carrer. (As SAF says, his good english and work ethic have helped him adapt and learn at a rate of knots)
But it’s not going to be a steady climb to stardum. He’ll play a few lack lustre games, maybe a few in a row, and lots of posts will come in asking “Whats gone wrong”?
Having said that, if you watch his entire 10 mins last night he was continually involved, hardly put a foot wrong ….. and most important ….. lifted the whole team.
That’s a sure sign of world class talent (a la young Ronaldo)
@King Eric
Could be there wasnt something right about the deal or SAF thought it wasnt a gamble worth taking, Think we had to pay 10 million for him which is no small amount
He moved to Fiorentina permanently in the summer and has done well since moving there. Quite a few assists and a few goals from the penalty spot. Good ball control and likes running at defenders. Wont be surprised if a club like Madrid break the bank to sign him in the next few years if he continues to improve
Rooney … would you agree that at some point, an “embarrassment of riches” (in terms of top-class strikers, or top-class players generally) would become a problem? I mean, surely you would agree that if we had Berba, Rooney, Chicha, Benzema, Suarez, Torres, Ronaldo AND Messi, there might be a little bit of a problem with that arrangement, in terms of man management? If you agree with that, then we’re just arguing about the number: how many you can have BEFORE you start running into those problems. For me, four is too many. I mean, it would be great to have them all available — but every time one of them sits on the bench (or doesn’t even get on the bus), that’s (a) serious money down the drain, (b) a whole bunch of fans wondering when the fuck who-the-fuck will ever play, (c) a top-class striker who’s seriously disaffected, and (d) a major fucking headache for everyone involved. It can’t possibly work!
If we spend next summer, money should go into the midfield. Exactly how much, and who, will depend on what happens between now and then, especially with Hargo and Anderson. And the clock is ticking on a new goalie. That’s it, for me.
If Mr. Ambition leaves next summer then we should buy a striker else what we have got currently is good enough..Main priority in the january and summer transfer windows should be: a top quality CM and a GK..And I wouldn’t mind if we bought a left footed winger..because our only options on the left wing are scarce..
i think our game yesterday was awful and apart from Carrick and Smalling and Hernandez later on ,we only needed O’shea to complete the most frustrating line up man can get.Obertan was absolutely awful.Could’nt make a decent Pass .Park was lost in the Midfield .Gibson certainly not a Man Utd quality and nor is Fabio,who’s million miles away from his brother.Evans needs a lot of composure, but that will come hopefully.Macheda has a good instinct and he knows where the Goal is but yesterday he was shit and i think that’s related to the fact ,that our midfield was shit too (apart from Carrick).Gibson was responsible for the second goal for Wolfs.I think someone should tell Bebe that he’s not going to be CR7 and he has a mountain to climb before we can consider him a good signing. I thought Jarvis no.17 was the best player on the pitch till Hernandez came in and made his good and clinical finish.
Park: thanks a lot and you’ve been great but time to go.
Obertan:the new David Bellion.
Fabio:no way.
Gibson: he hits rockets but not Man Utd quality.
Bebe: I hope i come here and eat a humble pie but i can’t see him make it here.
OFF TOPIC BUT ….. Anyone else take note of the article quoting Roque Santa Cruz concerning Carlitos’ “homesickness” ???????
A few thoughts:
Gibson is making a case for his exit door, while Carrick & Park are looking better.
By the time Berbatov is ready to retire, Joshua King, John Cofie, or Will Keane will be ready to step up. Unless Rooney wants to leave again, Berbatov, Chicharito, Rooney, & Kiko are fine. No need for Benzema or Torres.
John O’Shea just signed a new 4 year deal, so we had better get behind him and stop talking about selling him.
Michael Owen is injured AGAIN.
According to manutd.com, it looks like Anderson may be getting a new contract. So I guess he won’t be sold either unless it’s just to get more money out of his sale.
i think the lads did well last night, considering they were up against a fairly strong Wolves side. there was more positives than negatives.they dont play as a team very often so the passing was a bit iffy now and again but Obertan and Bebe were attack minded, Fabio made a few well timed tackles and Smalling looked composed. Hernandez saved the day again but most of the starting XI are 2nd and 3rd choice up against a regular 1st team Wolves side.
Tk – had a good laugh. Fabio isn’t a United player? Don’t know when i read such a BS last. He made a lot of decent blocks, good tackles and was going forward.
Obertan has great composure on the ball, just hast to work on his decision making.
@Denton davey. i heard he had also said that if his daughter/s wanted him back in Argentina he would go home……and hes still here!
@willierednut
Must be disheartening for him. 3 weeks out for something that didn’t even happen on the pitch.. The situation in our attack is starting to clear though. Berba and Hernandez are the most reliable ones, Kiko and Owen have lost ground while Mr Ambitions(I think I should trademark that, lol) is the big question mark.
TK > As I recall, CR7 wasn’t the new CR7 at age 20, either. Sure, he’s got a mountain to climb, but don’t you think he (and SAF, and all of us) know that, and expected it? Cut the guy some slack … he’s not the finished product, and no-one’s pretending that he is. What’s important is that he has potential. That’s all. As for the rest, time will tell.
I thought Park was crap yesterday — but he certainly took that goal well. And I disagree about Obertan. He was terrific in the first 15 or 20 — caused their defense all sorts of problems. Yes, he tailed off after that, but again, not yet a first-teamer, just someone trying to get there (and showing enough to indicate that he might make it). Same with Kiko and the other youngsters you mentioned.
And O’Shea’s a squad player. Always has been, and probably always will be. But you know what? Players like that are indispensable … because in a squad of 25 or so, not everyone can be a bloody superstar. You need guys like that, who are reasonably versatile and reasonably professional AND content to play their part, knowing they may never be in the limelight but happy to put on the shirt and run around anyway. No top-flight player would be interested in that role — and someone’s got to do it.
StateSideAussie – I completely agree with you about John O’Shea – he gets unbelievable stick from some “fans” who don’t seem to understand that he’s not Cafu or Franco Baresi or Paolo Maldini. And, of course, no one in their right mind expects that from him – he’s a super-sub who provides “cover” for the whole of the back four plus central midfield.
About Obertan/KikoTheKid – they’re very young, very raw but more polished than Bebe because they’ve been trained professionally for a few years at top clubs. Obertan missed at least a year – maybe more – because the medical staff at Bordeaux mis-diagnosed a problem with his spine; now he’s over that and has bulked up, too. What he needs is more game-experience against top-flight players; same goes for KikoTheKid who is still only 19 and has not yet filled out his large frame. Indeed, these three – Obertan/KidoTheKid/Bebe – are all big, fast, and stong. What remains to be seen is if their footballing ability can match their physiques. More to the point, however, is that they were playing against hardened-professional defenders last night and did OK; the next step for them is to dominate journeymen like Christophe Berra. Then, they will have arrived.
It’s a long and winding road to the top and for a guy who wants to play for UTD, the road is also quite steep – that makes Chicharito’s phenomenal success all-the-more exciting. He’s been thrown in at the deep end and actually shown us a marvellous display of “aquatic gymnastics” in that deep end.
When you take these four – and add them to WayneRooney/DimitarBerbatov/Nani/Antonio Valencia – then the cupboard for the UTD attack sure looks brim-full. And, of course, there are a host of others behind these guys – Danny Welbeck, Will Keane, John Cofie, Josh King, and Ravel Morrison are the ones I’ve been told about.
Pity about the midfield, though………
@TK: give the lads a break. CR7 took a year or two before he got even close to what we remember him as. Bebe has been at utd for less than 3 months. Give the lad some time before we pass judgement on him.
@statesideaussie: totally agree with you. We ARE NOT real or city. Whats the point in having “world class” players warming the benching week in and out. Its only gonna create tension and hard feelings and disrupt the club. How is kaka going to fit into the real team now??? Ozil is doing brilliantly – can they afford to keep im on the bench.
@Denton … there’s something different about Chicharito, isn’t there? Some special quality that sets him apart. I think it’s the calmness that he exudes. He’s one of those rare athletes who lives in a different dimension to everyone else, a dimension where they never seem flustered because for them, time moves more slowly and spaces are always larger, until it seems that the physical world is not an obstacle to be overcome, but actually a tool at their disposal, all ally, a weapon.
But I wax lyrical (and perhaps stupidly) … Of course, it’s early days. And another poster (Dave Mack, I think) pointed out that sooner or later he will off days too, because everyone does. And that’s true: he’s on fire right now, but even the brightest flame flickers
It will be interesting to see how he deals with that.
Guys ,i think everyone of us remembers CR7 first game in the EPL against Bolton .He was 17 as i recall and he was very good ,not the finished article but you could easily predict that how great he’s gonna be.As for Bebe, i saw some reports in Portugal suggesting that he only costed us a fraction of the 7.4 m quoted .hope it’s true.Considering our financial resources, to have a player for 7.4m in this time means ,that he HAS to make it and i really hope he does, and i can fairly say ,that no one would blame me for having my doubts at the moment.
pls find the differences
this is a video about a young striker, named javier hernandez, early in his career, before anyone knew his name outside chivas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S4ZOhP71IY
and this is by a very well known striker playing at the carling cup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvkzTFsmpTM
so maybe he can do a remake of the following
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8awRUoHsWE
TK … “to have a player for 7.4m in this time means ,that he HAS to make it “. No. It means he has to to make it to the point where, if he doesn’t turn out for us, someone else will pay at least 7.4 million to take him off our hands. Given the rate of inflation in the transfer market, and assuming he stays for a couple of years, that shouldn’t be hard
I remember Ronaldo’s first game – he came on, did a few stepovers and not a lot else.
tk – Oh show some fucking patience for fuck sake lad. Like Fergie said not everyone can see potential. You give people a dozen games or 3 in fabios case then write them off. Frankly pathetic.
summat else. Will people STOP comparing every winger we have to Ronnie. Ronaldo was an absolute one off. Nobody can compare to him.
Ronaldo was 18 and a half when he debuted. Bebe is older than that, but you have to look at the background of each player. Bebe is a very raw talent without the experiences that Ronaldo had at Sporting. It’s great that we are getting glimpses of him now, but he still has to go through a lot of work before we can judge him.
Agree that comparing any young player to Ronaldo is harsh. Bebe has only just begun fully professional traing and it will be a couple of years before we can be sure of what we got.
That said I did make a bit of a comparison of Hernandez to Ronaldo which I stand by and repeat.
If you watch his entire 10 mins last night he was continually involved, hardly put a foot wrong ….. and most important ….. lifted the whole team.
That’s a sure sign of world class talent (a la young Ronaldo)
how much wages is chicharito on anyway?
he is such a breath of fresh air though, when the game ended and he was walking off the pitch, the camera right next to his face, you could see him trying to avoid looking into the camera and you could see him trying to look serious and not break out into a giant smile…….he just looks like he really enjoys the team, his performance and just being there!!!
perfect antidote for all the rooney shenanigans…..
Chicharito is the Mexican Cantona!
Oh Ah Javier!
@gexmex
Mate I just watched those 3 videos..particularly liked the last one..he knew what he was going to do once he got the ball and his execution was sublime..this just reaffirms the fact that he is a natural finisher..look at his finishing against valencia and wolves..he’s just so calm and composed..you either get that by experience or you are born with that..and this lad is born with it..
As for bebe..I thought he had a brilliant game and was well rewarded with a goal..took on the defenders and that’s what you want in a winger..he bamboozled and outmuscled elkobi(guy looks like a monster) on quite a few occasions..I don’t expect much from him this season or the next to be honest..but he will get better with every game..
@gexmex
you reminded me of his first goal as a professional with chivas too..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIWpNVdvVqE
“The 1966 World Cup winners’ medal won by the England midfielder Nobby Stiles has been bought at auction for a record price by Manchester United, the player’s club for most of his career.
The club museum bid £160,000 at an auction of Stiles’s personal collection near Edinburgh today but will pay £188,200 in total including commission and VAT – a world record price for a medal won by any of the England squad.”
To me, THIS is great, gret news. Great for Nobby and great for his family, too. But, it’s also great for UTD and our legions of supporters to know that the club still has the heart and soul of the game – and its history – in mind. This is what I call “Value” in the marketplace.
King Eric…. as a Man Utd hardcore fan i have a very high standards and i respect other people point of view as they respect mine. People say O’shea is a squad player and i couldn’t agree more but from the start of the season he’s been playing in the first team and i,simply like a lot other fans, expect more from him.Carrick was getting a lot of stick and he has not been playing recently ,but was our best player yesterday till Hernandez came in .Park ,Gibson ,O’shea,Fabio,Evans and Obertan should start giving more.
@Tk
your a joker mate.. carrick did more than obertan and evans?? did u watch the match mate? seriously?
did u not see what obertan did for the first goal? obertan will be class mate.. that was the first game hes started this season.. give the kid a break… he is fucking fast will great skills and quick feet… he actually runs at defenders and beats them!! he will be BIG for us
Denton Davey as I posted on another thread …..
As someone who, as a boy, watched the ugliest footballer with the biggest heart play at OT, I feared that when I heard he was auctioning his stuff that Nobby would just be the fogotten man. Sir Bobby may well have had a part in this but good for you for mentioning something that shows there still a heart and soul in MUFC.
Great counter to alot of the negativity that too often goes around here!
Wow Gibson was…… I think Hamsik would be worth trying to bid for , don’t you all think ?
golaaso by el chicaro
arribaaa arriba anadale
Carlitos to miss derby match on November 10th ??? read about it in Guardian online !!!
And, don’t forget to read between the lines with regard to Roque Santa Cruz’s suggestion that Carlitos is “homesick” and wants out.
@StatesideAussie
I think we do need 4 top class strikers. the good thing is both Rooney and Berbatov are versatile and can play deep. Dont think Owen has a future and Kiko still has a few years left to become a regular. By that time Berba will have ended his United career and Kiko will be ready to step up. Sure Fergie wont mind having an ‘embarrassment of riches’ at his disposal. He has handled it before and it will make the players work harder knowing no one’s place is secure. Saying that i do agree with you that the midfield and Gk should be the first priority. Would by a striker only if someone is available for a good price. Want to see a few CM’s and a left winger.
@obertanthenewstar.
Seriously i’m waiting the day when you come here and you say it……Tk you were right .
If anybody wants to see one the best goals of chicharito I would recommend clicking this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8awRUoHsWE
Enjoy!!!