Swear Watch 5 by swearwatch
Law 12 doesn’t mention a camera, rather simply “using abusive and/or offensive language.” A Sky Sports camera came to Wayne Rooney and he swore at it. Kenny Dalglish walked over to Arsene Wenger where a Sky Sports camera was stood and swore at Wenger. Both people were guilty of breaking Law 12 and both people’s “abusive/offensive language” was audible to the viewing public at home.
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The Mirror writes about the FA’s double standards when Dalglish is concerned. Will he be charged?
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I’m with dalglish on this one though…AW is such a whiner..just like the whole lot of gunners.
BTW which song was THAT?
dalglish knows how to wave his arm
Not only did Dogleash swear but have you noticed Scott on Sky Sports News they cut away just before he does. Didn’t give Rooney that treatment did they.
AW deserved that to be fair, he’s such a whiney bitch!
Yes what was that song? Perhaps it could be sung at the FA Cup Final this year in stead of Abide With Me.
so let me get this right,rooney looks dead into the camera and screams FUCKING WHAT WHAT FUCK OFF and kenny tells arsen to piss off are arsen approached kenny your compareing the 2,lol just the same as rio complaing about mario slapping his chest and waving his mcfu top at the utd end of wembley,correct me if iam wrong but didnt gary neville run the length of anfield to do the same infront of the kop…….
get a grip we probly just handed you the title and stuck 1 up to arsen in the prosess you think you lot would be happy
I can’t imagine we will here much sanctimonious whining from the smug self important cadre of journo’s twats that railed against Rooney. Nor do I expect the FA to even begin to stop being the cretinous mob of double standard wank stains they tragically are.
That said, keep up the good work, which if nothing else exposed the FA for what the are.
You’re right, Notorious Red Devil. On Match of the Day 2 they dipped the sound and passed over it quickly, no instant demands that the FA take action or endless replays… One rule for United, something else for everyone else.
family reunion by blink 182 – classic!
Yes I noticed that the camera cut off very quickly unlike the Rooney incident. Was the SKY Sports editor reprimanded for not cutting to another camera? Of course not. United have to fight everyone in pursuit of this 19th title.
Glad someone else noticed Giles. I maintain had the media not constantly replayed the Rooney until action was taken nothing would have been done about it. Particularly Sky, their journalism over the last 3 years has been more sensationalism and less fact. Despite what people may think of Andy Gray and Richard Keys, Sky stabbed 2 of its employees in the back so what do you expect.
@ shubhangmanred
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jekYjn3ADSY
enjoy
yup…this is the incident i was talking about on your recent swear watch
Calm down ScouseUK, the point of the article is to bring attention to the glaring inconsistencies of the FA and the way it applies it’s rules. I personally have no issue with what your man Dalglish said, not least because it was directed at Wenger.
Anyway, cheers for the draw, I’m very, very happy.
@CB haha awesome!
Yet another opposition fan that gets the wrong end of the stick. What a surprise!
Off topic but fucking predictable. That rentboy cunt Beasley has done an article in the Sun saying “Is it the end for Fergie?” Oh do fuck off. A one off semi defeat and you hope Fergie is gonna throw the towel in? Sorry Rob you cockney cunt. He says that Citeh could well overtake us now and that will force Fergie to retire. There is no way he will go now with Dalglish back and those jokers across Manchester to put in their place. Silly bastard.
@scouseUK
Hand us the title? Are you mad just because you got a draw we should be thanking you? If we do win the league it will be down to United and United alone not because your shower managed not to get beat.
We never needed your help in the other 18 and dont need it now, 19 sounds nice though doesnt it!
24 year old says fuck once gets done for it, 60 odd year old says piss and fuck and every one defends him.
SCOUSEUK – Neville got a ban for doing what he did. Baloelli prbably wont. Rooney got banned for swearing on camera. Dalglish wont. Do you see the point?
19 on the way. We make history, you wallow in it.
For ScouseUK, we are happy but you know what we are still able to debate a relevant topic at the same time, is that too difficult a concept for you.
in spite of all of the injustices we feel because of the bias nature of this suspension, i think that there is a real positive. Rooney will be ripping & roaring to make amends for it against newcastle, which will put MUFC one step closer to the title with a win.
Rooney’s Return Will Inspire A Quick Recovery For Reds
http://www.theunitedreligion.com/2011/04/rooneys-return-will-inspire-quick.html
Liverpool do Utd a huge favour, and the best you can do is lobby for utd fans to lodge complaints to the FA because camera’s happen to catch Dalglish telling Wenger Piss off for being a wingey bitch??
And to compare this to what Rooney did is ridiculous to say the least. So everytime the camera’s catch a player swearing (for missing a chance, for a disallowed goal or a bad decision), we need to send a written complaint the FA?? What about the thousends of Utd fans who constantly sing “Who the fuck are Man Utd” (albeit only when they’re winning), should the stewards take all of their names, send the list to the FA so they can impose fines, or better still ban them??
No because there’s no rule in the FA rule-book about the fans swearing. Are you that confused you can’t understand what this is about?
Scott, this ombudsman link doesn`t work
So everytime the camera’s catch a player swearing (for missing a chance, for a disallowed goal or a bad decision), we need to send a written complaint the FA??
Yes
You just don’t get it do you Xile. So its fine for Rooney to be the first to made an example of and everyone else gets off free? Considering there’s NOTHING in the rule book about swearing directly into a camera only about bad language. Mason puts in his referee report if he had heard or seen Rooney swear he would have sent him off hence the ban. However another player swears directly in front of the same referee and he does fuck all. Now if you can’t understand that you really are an uneducated fool. Hence the reason why people train 4+ years in the legal field to defend and argue cases like this rather than pub chitter chatter like your stupid comments.
Oh and Xile while we’re at it, those dipper cunts should all be banned for Munich chants they were caught on camera in the Cup game and guess what fuck all done about it. I bet most of you had a jolly old knees up when you saw that vile sick twisted set of fans.
Xile, it isnt all we do but its up to you read and see that for your self and since when did Liverpool do us any favours, come off it the result was’t a bad one but dress it up as ii it was a favour, we’ll look after ourselves thanks.
Nothing in the FA’s official statement about the ban or the charge refers to swearing into a camera, he was charged with using foul and abusive language under the FA’s rules which clearly prohibits it and point of fact if you read a bit more you would be fully aware what we are trying to do is highlight the hypocrisy of the FA, we certainly don’t expect any further bans for bad language but under the laws of the game thier should be.
So the law says the use of foul and abusive language whether directed at an official or not, everything else is just spin.
ScouseUK – Thanks. It’s nice of Dalglish to play the ball boy in midfield, Spearing? Sammy Lees love child?
Had a response from some professor at the IFO telling me to address my concerns regarding Rooney to the FA. My response to him was that I’ve never had a suitable response from the FA and my concern is that they show no consistency, apply laws on a case by case basis as they see fit and are accountable to no-one. Lets see what happens next!
FFS, will any manager not bnamed Ferguson ever get banned by the FA? Send Dalglish to the stands already!
on camera vs at camera!? humorous stuff though!
To be fair, you can’t hear Dalglish like you could with Rooney.
To be fair, I do not understand why a Leeds fan is obsessed with our blog.
@ LUFCWhite
Thats fine and to be fair to both, there is no way that Rooney or Dogleash or anybody else for that matter could know that they are being shown LIVE across the nation at the time of their respective outbursts. Would Rooney have faced a ban if it didn’t go out live but it was instead brought to the attention of the FA by Sky further down the line? The FA in their wording of the way they explained the Rooney ban have made a total mess of things only adding “the distinction with Rooney was that he swore directly into a TV camera” – the problem is that Rule12 doesn’t distinguish. Rule 12 doesn’t state that swearing into a TV camera is worse than swearing at a fellow player, at the referee or anything of the sort, TV Cameras aren’t mentioned at all but the FA chose to pull that reason out of their arse and ban Wayne for things that half the league should be banned for every week.
@ LUFC White. I’ll refrain from name calling and make one last attempt to see if you get it or not. On camera vs at camera and being able to hear it and not being able to hear it has nothing to do with it whatsoever. Is that such a difficult concept to grasp, common sense and logic are not the laws of this country let alone FA or any other sporting governing bodies rules. Having wasted 5 years at uni studying law and the law of sport I can tell you this for a fact now. When making decision the decision makers have to look at the laws of the game OR set a precedent. The FA stated they didn’t set a precedent and went by Lee Mason match report to get a charge out of it. That charge was bad language NOT bad language that could be heard and/or bad language directed at a camera. They didn’t set a precedent which why the FA are hypocrites.
NRD
Well written mate and I raise my glass to you for being refrained and articulate.
Fuck me. Is that Leeds fan back AGAIN?
Willie – Ha quality mate. “Spearing. Sammy Lee’s love child” To be fair to the little potato head he won the battle with the ponces midfield all day long.
To be honest, the only thing about the whole “swear watch” shenanigans that has really, really depressed me has been WayneBoy’s cringing apologies.
What good did his apologies do ? How have they influenced the SweetFA’s decision to make an example of him and ignore the rest ?
Oh, yeah, one more thing – will the SweetFA penalize Balotelli for “inciting violence” ? or will that moral arbiter sanction Anderson and Rio for “bringing the game into disrepute” ?
denton davey
Are you looking for an answer mate? Thought it was plain to see
LUFCWhite – What fucking stone did you crawl from under? You’re season finished already that you have to come on here and spout your piffle. Why don’t you fuck off and post shit on your own site
Willie – Like that mate. You could pass him off for Danny Murphy’s love child too. Both have bubble heads and odd bodies.
To be fair, Cedars owned the Leeds fan.
To be fair, Costas is a master analyst.
None of these incidents you are bringing up are in any way the same as Rooney’s. Stop fucking moaning
I’m not obsessed, I’m just here for the banter.
According to you lot we’re small time and irrelevant so I wouldn’t have thought you guys would have minded me leaving the odd comment.
LUFCWhite
Banter away mate
BAN HIM FOR SAYING PISS OFF? SCOTT YOU’VE LOST THE PLOT …..
its taken about 5,000 F words for rooney to get a ban so surly the KING has a lot more to say before he gets a ban ?
“You could pass him off for Danny Murphy’s love child too. Both have bubble heads and odd bodies.”
Nice one Kings mate.
Well lets hope the reserves smash the rentboys tonight and the youths on Wednesday.
Come on guys, you really are clutching at straws for wanting to get Kenny reprimand for telling Wenger to piss off. Wouldn’t you like to have been the one to have said it to him?
Man.U, Chelsea and Arsenal will all finish on 77 points, with Chelsea taking the title on goal difference with Man.U finishing second
LUFCWhite says:
To be fair, you can’t hear Dalglish like you could with Rooney.
Wash your fuckin ears out then, what a plank.
Steve says:
Come on guys, you really are clutching at straws for wanting to get Kenny reprimand for telling Wenger to piss off. Wouldn’t you like to have been the one to have said it to him?
Yes but does that mean its ok, ffs.
No Matt, it doesen’t make it right, but it’s hardley the crime of the century is it?
Kenny is fiercely proud of his Liverpool team and Wenger is a moaning, whinging gas bag. So he can piss off!
Steve says:
Man.U, Chelsea and Arsenal will all finish on 77 points, with Chelsea taking the title on goal difference with Man.U finishing second
Ok the above is Steve’s logic, we are currently on 69 points and so need a possible 8 out of the remaining 18 that are available, ok lets see if we lose to Chelsea at home and even Arsenal away (despite the fact form would suggest nothing so easy for either team)
This wouls still need us to get the 8 points out of the 12 remaining, now if you take how shocking Blackburn and Blackpool are at the moment I imagine they are really thinking they could beat us!
Everton have a bit of form and will be tough and Newcastle away is slightly tricky but I don’t see us getting beaten but hey what do I know according to Steve we are going to drop a possible 10 out of 18 points with 3 home games, mmmmmm a wind up does need to be backed a modicum of pausibility.
Steve says:
No Matt, it doesen’t make it right, but it’s hardley the crime of the century is it?
Kenny is fiercely proud of his Liverpool team and Wenger is a moaning, whinging gas bag. So he can piss off!
And in that context neither was Rooneys the crime of the century.
No running away from the fact that the FA messed up AGAIN! Claiming to make an example of Rooney when they just wanted him out of a couple of important games for us.
Man, I swore too after that match. What a nuts weekend, had me cheering a Liverpool goal. Although we should give Dogleash a little slack, after all he was swearing at Wenger.
So where’s the part where he says “fuck off”?
Because I’m afraid it’s not on that video.
scouse uk will be happy when you fuck off our website
that is all
Matt, I think the game at Newcastle will be a draw and Everton will get a draw at Old Trafford. Arsenal will win 1-0 on the 1st of May and Chelsea will do likewise on the 8th. You read it here first!!
Damn, my favourite song now gets a new meaning.
Fucking hell,United lose a game, scousers get a draw, “Yorkshire’s no1 team” are about to miss out on the playoffs and suddenly they all want to have a chat on a United blog.
What is it that People won’t get. Read the Rule for gods sake.
Rooney was not banned for swearing into a camera. Are you getting it now?
Its great Kenny told Arsehole Wingepants to Piss Off! What is being proved since Rooney was charged though is that the FA Have double standards. Piss Off is a swear word (allbeit tame) and can be deamd by some as Foul language. Therefore Kenny Dalglish should be charged simple as that. Joey Barton told the Ref Directly to Fuck Off 3 times he should be banned. Simples! Is it sinking in?
If dalgish would have been HEARD swearing then there would be a case, however it was inaudible. Rooney went straight to a camera and shouted it and was clearly audible. I don’t understand why you’re continuing this.
And the fact that you have played music over this emphasises the point. if his swearing was audible, surely you would have left it in and not played the music?
danny B. You must have one of those computers where you talk and it types the words for you. It has been explained why people are complaining but either you refuse to read or you simply can’t. You sir are an idiot.
But what is all this seriously going to achieve?
Scott writes to the FA, they reply, yet he keeps on writing. Do you really think that the FA are going to take this seriously? You come on here, you call them all names under the sun, then expect them to sit back and say ‘you know, they have a point here?’
This sort of stuff is not going to endear the club to the FA, quite the opposite. if you think the FA have a vendetta now, what will they be thinking after reading stuff like this?
@steve – come back here after tomorrow match and we will see how good is your first prediction or wish!
@dannyB – we are not trying to endear ourselves to FA… we have no need to. As fans of our club and as folks putting our money and time into the game, we all want to see the rules enforced correctly. Why do you think we should allow for blatant bias against a United player without making noise about it? I for one hope the swear watch continues. We are not afraid of FA, let them throw their worst, its not like we have not experienced it before now, have we? It will be all the more sweeter when we win the league in spite of those fucking FA.
I’m of the opinion if someone is upset about something do something about it instead of whining and doing nothing. If there’s people who then get ridiculed or slated for doing something about it then those people doing the ridiculing are just as bad as the whiners who do nothing. This doesn’t apply to football but walks of life. We as a nation (England) just sit back and whine these days and I for one am sick of it. It may not endear us to the FA but we will get answers, but they’ve hung us out to dry since 1999 with the whole FA Cup debacle. You’re either with us or against us and if you’re against us stop fabricating the facts. The FA messed up here,they had an opportunity to redefine the rulebook and didn’t, the fans aren’t being pedantic, if the same thing happened in the legal world there would be cases brought against the FA. Sport should be no exception.
@ slim. In order to get Fabregas we would have to pay north of £50 million and I can’t see the glazers giving Fergie that amount of money on one player. Even if we go in for him cit-eh will just copy, all our transfer targets. Thats why everyone we sign would have to be kept under the radar like Hernandez.. I can’t see l’arse keeping their mouths shut if we were interested in him. In fact the first thing they would do is alert cit-eh. Every club in the world has shake the bottle monsour on speed dial the way he pisses his Dads money up the wall.
scott ur a cock sucker
Steve says:
Matt, I think the game at Newcastle will be a draw and Everton will get a draw at Old Trafford. Arsenal will win 1-0 on the 1st of May and Chelsea will do likewise on the 8th. You read it here first!!
Insert “I think” with, “I dream the” I’ll maybe give you the newcastle game but that was before they sold carroll. Arsenals home form has been great of late hasn’t it and I think its clear after the EC 1/4′s we’ve got the measure of the Chelsea Pensioners.
Steve says:
Matt, I think the game at Newcastle will be a draw and Everton will get a draw at Old Trafford. Arsenal will win 1-0 on the 1st of May and Chelsea will do likewise on the 8th. You read it here first!!
Insert “I think” with, “I dream the” I’ll maybe give you the newcastle game but that was before they sold carroll. Arsenals home form has been great of late hasn’t it and I think its clear after the EC 1/4′s we’ve got the measure of the Chelsea Pensioners.
dannyB says:
But what is all this seriously going to achieve?
We expect it to acheive sweet FA but this isnt the point, we’re having a bit of fun pointing out the hypocrisy of the FA as for you, you can’t even grasp the basic tenet of the argument, i.e. Rooney wasn’t banned for swearing into a camera cos (I cant believe I’m having to repeat this to another numpty) there is no rule that covers it, there is only the law against using foul and abusive language whether directed at an official or not and this is what the FA stated when banning Rooney, this law is designed to prevent bad language in all areas of the pitch and all we are pointing out is that it isnt routinely applied where it could be, except perhaps when it suits.
On side issue Danny, why the fuck are you bothered what we do.
Swear watch has got ESPN’s notice and a response from Brooking…
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/86170.html?CMP=OTC-RSS
“After Dalglish appeared to tell Arsene Wenger to “p**s off” as the two managers rowed briefly in the seconds following Sunday’s dramatic 1-1 draw, it is reported that the FA was contacted by numerous Manchester United fans demanding that the Liverpool manager was also punished. “
My two pennys worth is this: Rooney looked into the camera and saw knowing he would be heard by millions, there was an intention to his act. Dalglish was annoyed by Wenger’s (typical) blinkered view that suggested Liverpool cheated the referee to get that penalty, thus Dalglish swore in annoyance at Wenger but not intentionally into the camera. Therefore I think authorities will look at these two cases and see a distinction between the word ‘fuck’ being mentioned deliberately to the camera and viewers and the phrase ‘piss off’ being picked up by the camera rather than being spoken to the camera. I recall Ferguson being caught swearing on camera during the 2002/3 in reference to a difficult start to the season. I don’t recall Ferguson being given a ban, but surely if the conspiracy theorists truly believe Manchester United are victimised then wouldn’t that have been a time when the FA or Premier League could have banned him. I fully understand NRD argument that there should be no distinction between the two approaches to swearing, but I believe most people do see a distinction.
dannyB says:
If you think the FA have a vendetta now, what will they be thinking after reading stuff like this?
__Thats for them to worry about Danny Boy, no United supporter really gives two fucks what those ABU pencil pushers “think” and we never will. They’ve banned our Manager for fuck all this season when other Managers have said WORSE, and they’ve made our Striker a scapegoat for EVERYTHING wrong in the game while Terry captains ENGLAND at Rio’s expense. Why? Apparently because they have to be seen to punish those at the top, maybe they should tell that to the British Crown Courts? We always get the worst punishments from the FA, compare Rio missing a test to other players FAILING them. IS there really anything else they can do to us they haven’t done already? The thing to remember is United are not dependant on securing the good favour of the FA for our results. United as a global brand are bigger than the FA. Personally, im not in favour of informing on other players and managers swearing, but I AM in favour of seeing the FA brought to some kind of account, so LET THEM have a vendetta against Swear Watch, who gives a FUCK???
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Trevor Brooking speaks asks FA for clarification on swearing:http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/909005/sir-trevor-brooking:-fa-swear-rules-need-clarification?cc=3888