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If I’ve bought a season ticket haven’t I done enough damage, and therefore does that mean I can buy a shirt now as well, so that proper green and golds can identify me and subject me to mild tutting?
@Scott
Mate I am fucking out raged, them cheeky cunts wont let me apply for Fulham away as I missed the spurs game in the Calring cup last year???
They said I cant apply for aways untill i have paid for the first home cup game this year, i asked what if we are drawn away every round? I would never have renewed knowing that and just bought game by game as you dont get aways in the ballot anyway.
I have just gone mad at them and have escalated and if I am asking to refund my season ticket they can have the fucker back.
I rang them last year when I missed Spurs and offered to pay for the game so i could still apply for aways as my missus was 9 months at the time and just couldnt go.
In 2006, I contemplated getting a season ticket. I was willing to drive a 10 hour round trip every other Saturday. Miss out on the Midweek matches etc!
I was told that i had to buy a ticket for every cup game united where in, which i couldn’t go to or afford!
I took the next best option! Got my wife One Membership and applied for every home game until the end of November, I didn’t get to any match!
7th December my brother phoned and said he had tickets for the Manchester Derby on the 9th December, I had a dilemma. I had just purchased an Engagement Ring and Was going to Propose romantically during dinner on the 9th December on her birthday!
Thinking on my feet this was fate! It was meant to be! Get Engaged at Old Trafford, Job Done! I phoned the day before and tried to get in contact with someone to try and get it announced. I failed to do so.
I was deciding to propose whilst celebrating our first goal, or half time i hadn’t worked it out!
Little did i know that my plans where going to be dashed on this again! Fate was turning into a nightmare. When my brother handed me the tickets they wernt even together. What a plonker, I looked at my GF who certainly didnt look happy, And in which i received a death stair when i said. Darlin, your a big girl you will cope!
We ended up sitting in the same section of stand, She was about 40 seats to my left and about 9 rows back!. Proposing during the match was out the window and i was in the dog house!
It all nearly turned into disaster! 5 or 10 minutes in Ronaldo Crosses and the defender slipped, as i jump up and down like a lunitic the £1500 ring i had in my pocket jumped out and went into the row in front, Christ! Anyhow, After a going nuts for a couple of minutes and shouting like i was just let out for the weekend it was found in the row in front.
The match finished and we were 3-1 winners, My GF looked miserable, Moaned she was cold blah blah blah.
Anyhow, All not lost! Off to Town for a meal and i just decided to plonk the Ring on the table and see what she does!
During our meal i plonked the ring down and said, Will ya. She smiled and just put the ring on.
… Although it didn’t go as i expected. I was happy with Both Results!..
You should not have renewed mate!
Even without our desperate need to oust the leeches and it is now desperate! I fell out with them last season when I never got a Carling Cup ticket (Final) despite going 3 aways in Europe and 3 Prem away games!
I paid for all the cup games but never went the Spurs game and they said that because I never went that game I was not allowed a ticket (Cheeky T###s still took my money for Spurs cup game and Ac Milan away). Also if you remember about a week after tickets had been allocated the Club sent out an e-mail that was leaked saying if you bought a coperate Ticket for West Ham I think it was then you could buy a Carling cup ticket. So I phoned them and they said this was an exclusive allocation for coperates only and that there may be a 2nd ballot for ST holders at a later date. I obviously told them to stick it and there ST to!
Sorry got side tracked with waffle! Just bored at work!
Erm.
The point i was trying to say was. I gave up going to matches after this! What is the point!
For Old Trafford to improve their atmosphere they need to let Real Fans in every week. Fans who are going to shout, Sing the songs. Get behind their team.
I want the fans to be our 12th man, I wanted to be part of it! Sadly due to our massive fan base and crappy ticket system it wasn’t to be!
@Ady
How can they play that one, If you bought the ticket does it matter if you didnt go? What do they care
haha.. trevor, that story would certainly make a good movie! =P
Saw this on Yahoo Sports earlier:
“It seems that Alex Ferguson has come over all Arsene Wenger when it comes to his transfer policy these days, and it’s easy to see why.”
Nice to see SAF making Arsene his bitch…
Hang your head in utter shame Scott, lol.
@giggs11gerrard0
Thats such a shit story
@Scott funny chant but i cant see it takin over the dont sell my park tune lol but right to the point
off topic but Gabby out for 2 weeks with an ankle injury and the preseason game against guadalahora chicharito will play first half against united second half for united – Whats him tears Smalling a new one
just buy a pirate jersey.. glazer will get nothing from it.. hahaha..
@Ady, GHTT
Its rubbish lads, i went to ever game last year at home bar Spurs in the cup, i went to every champions league home games, the FA cup game, even the double header home and away against City. I went to over ten aways only one ticket purchased through the ballot.
Then because I missed that one Spurs game I cant apply for Fulham this year? I will get one on my own but it is the principal. How can missing one carling cup game last year affect this years applications.
How can you say not to buy a shirt,a pie or a pint,but renewing your season ticket is ok??
So are we hoping United don’t win the league? Cos that’s just “putting money in the glazer’s hands”?
i dont think i’ll ever stop buying united merchandise..for me the money goes to manchester united and just because glazers are the owners doesnt mean i should stop buying united merchandise. thanks for the advice.
anyways fergie has come out in defence of glazers saying they have done their job well and that he’s never been denied any transfer amount he’s asked for. and if fergie says so it must be so.. yes the club is in debt but i dont think most us understand the economics of a football club enough to be sure who is at fault.
The way I see it now is simple. Most United fans were dismissive of Martin Edwards and his regime saying he just held onto money. Then we became a plc and we couldn’t buy players without the say so of the share holders and it was always going o be that the company could be bought up. We got bought, with debt (inevitatble) and some fans still aren’t happy. Abramovich had the chance to buy, he couldn’t he didn’t have enough money. Its one thing for a 2 times billionaire to buy a football club, its a completely different thing using 50% of you and your families total resources to do so. For Abramovich Chelsea was a better option. Same with the sheiks at City. Manchester United is an institution, and on the whole a pretty poor business. No billionaire in his right mind would splash out 1 billion on a business with a yearly profit after tax of little more than 40 million pounds. Thats like owning a cornershop and getting a return (your wages) of £35 a week.
What the Glazers have done is couragous and should be given all the merits that go with it. As Sir Alex has said they have been brilliant owners, far easier than working with a plc and far better than Martin Edwards. Sure the club has debt, who hasn’t.
As far as Im concerned, I trust Sir Alexs judgement, hes in the middle, he knows more about business than the majority on here, he knows the ins and outs without speculating and pulling figures out of thin air to fuel an anti american biggoted hatred. So I trust his opinion. As far as Im concerned, thank you green and gold for what you’ve done but the battle has been lost. Your views are commendable and your intentions amorable but the battle is lost and any further fighting only cuts your nose off to spite your own face. Green and Gold from now on should be deemed offensive to Manchester United and all it stands for and should be viewed as an invasion of our ground by another teams fans. A team of championship football, a team as forreign and repugnant to us as City.
Green and Gold once again thank you, we have the best fans in the world, the owners have shown class, composure and loyalty. Lets all help them together to pay off the debt. Atleast then when the debt is paid we know we have fantastic owners far better than the class of Sheik Yabouti and Mr Abromovich.
Samdevil. Wake up lad, the glazers are paying fergies wages.
The money that YOU give to the club is being withdrawn from the club accounts at a maximum of £150m a season and sent over to Florida so that greedy leech can pay for a new yacht. Your money doesn’t go towards new players etc.
If you don’t boycott now then in a few years time we will be in division 3 and then you will kick yourself and probably blame everyone else.
WAKE UP!
@Goat
Well, we didn’t have any debt before they came. And sorry, I don’t see how what they did is courageous. No one asked them to buy the club, especially in this way.
Goatinaunitedshirt: what planet are you on? Do you think people hate the glazers beacause they are american? Wow, you amaze me.
Does the fact that the gimps are drawing £150m out of the club each year not worry you? They havnt invested a single penny into the club, literally. Every player we have signed has been payed for by taking out further loans.
You trust sir alexs judgement on business? What a bizare thing to say. So you are telling me, you take the word of a 68year old man who has hardly worked a hard day in his life who is being payed over £5million a year because he won’t say a bad word about his boss? What world do some of you live in?
@bigphil2003
Winning the league will count for shit in Glazers eyes if they see that the fans have had enough and shut the free-flowing cash they have recived this far. They will be forced to sell when they see the long term profit fading.
Also goat.
You said: “Green and Gold once again thank you, we have the best fans in the world, the owners have shown class, composure and loyalty. Lets all help them together to pay off the debt. Atleast then when the debt is paid we know we have fantastic owners far better than the class of Sheik Yabouti and Mr Abromovich.”
If the gimps are taking £150m out of the club….. What do you expect them to pay the debt with? Maybe you should stick to golf or cooking as football and finance clearly arnt your bag.
@Costas
Wel it depends how you look at it Costas. No we didn’t have any debt as such but there wasnt any real control over the club either. Buying players was not a simple process and the share holders were payed dividents on their investments (their shares). Whats the point of having money when when you need it you have to go through a lengthy process and then ultimately miss out on your target because theyve either been put off with the time it takes (bureucracy) or someone else has come in with a higher bid which a plc wouldn’t match.
@Red Phil
If United goes down Phil the Glazers go down, its as simple as that. They know what theyre doing. And another thing they had the required shares in the first place to table a bid for the club. A huge ammount of money tied up in the club, i think that goes someway to say they did put something into the club. You make it sound like they have a special arragement with a friendly bank manager that allowed them to come in and defraud Manchester United and take control. To bleed it dry!!
Fergie has come out in defence of the Glazers because he is fundamentally complicit in their ownership. There was a time when he could have refused to work with the Glazers (at the time Gill was also briefing against them) and the banks would not have lent the Glazers the money.
We also have to remind ourselves how the club came onto the market in the first place. The previous owners gave SAF a share in a racehorse, Rock of Gibraltar. Rather than accept the consdierable winnings that this horse generated for him, SAF quite literally looked this gift horse in the mouth and said that, if he had a share in it, then that included stud fees too. He even sued over it — and lost. The ill-feeling created caused the owners to sell — and they were not too bothered who they sold to. So it’s not too big a leap of reasoning to say we are now suffering under the Glazers’ ownership because of a row over a test-tube of horse spunk.
It’s often said then in SAF we trust. (Altghough they said that about the Fat Spanish Waiter, too). TBH it’s getting harder and harder to trust anything SAF says anymore. We simply don’t know if he has any money available till he proves it. And despite the good result against a poor MLS team last night we still need three quality players — most of us know where and why.
Unfortunately SAF is compounding the damage he caused with his pig-headedness over a racehorse by now openly backing the Glazers against loyal and committed supporters (who have told their stories above) . I have no time (or money) for the Glazers. I will be going to away games only and not buying any merchandise. It’s getting harder and harder to simply enjoy the football with all this shit hanging over it.
@Red Phil
Theres no need to be abusive mate, this is a forum for discussion. I dont play golf as I think its boring. Your right I dont know about big business finance. I have an A level in book keeping thats it. But I dont pretend to know about finance. I doubt anyone on here knows about finance because if they did they would realise that chatting on here is not a money making exercise and a waste of their time. They are too busy making money rather than chat on here talking about how others are losing it.
The 150 million figures you come up with are sourced from where. Give me the source or the figure is plucked out of the air. If you cant give me the source than you are following someone elses hearsay.
@Goat
Not denying the bureaucracy of the plc model. And I do realise that the club was going to get bought at some point. I just don’t like the fact that even though now things are more flexible, a share of the profits is used to pay off the debt instead of bring reinvested into the squad. And people might say that I don’t trust Sir Alex or whatever(fair enough, but deep down I know how much I support the club and Fergie), but I think it has affected our transfer policy too.
And I will agree with Goat that there’s no need to turn on each other and insult each other. We are all United fans after all.
@ goat…
“Lets all help them together to pay off the debt.”
You just dont’ get it do you. my cloven-hooved friend. The “courageous” Gimp Cunts are not interested in paying off the debt, they are only interested in bigger houses and yachts that you and we’re supposed to pay for by buying every ticket going . As for trusting SAF’s business acumen, please read my post above re: horse spunk.
red phil
i respect your views and the fact that we’re under huge debt concerns me as much as it does you..
however, i cannot agree with you when you say sir alex doesnt understand how united came under such large debt and to say to say that he supports glazers because he’s being paid by him is outrageous.. are you trying to say that sir alex, a 68 yr old man who’s put his life in manchester united, is more concerned about his pay than manchester united??
if sir alex says he thinks glazers arent running the club well, im pretty sure it’ll mark the fall of glazers and the next owners will still be paying him his wages..its not like his wages depend on glazers, he is manchester united and if he says we have good owners, then i believe we do.
Lads,
Im still on the fence with this one, Who owns the club or what way they purchased it doesnt really bother me!
All i am concerned about is the future of my club, on and off the field!
Although the glazers are paying off their depts we still have the same amount of Transfer kitty, We are competing on the field.
With the club valued at 1.3 – 1.8 Billion, and the glazer debt under 1 billion, its not a problem! If the interest goes up and they are not reducing their debt they will just sell the Club. There are plenty of buyers!
However, should it be leaked that we actually have no transfer kitty, the glazers sell players. Sold the stadium. i would be really pissed!
I wouldn’t even care if the Sponsered out the Stadium, Easy Jet at Old Trafford. As long as part of that sponsership gets invested in the team!
lads,
There is 1 club in the world where i Admire their Setup – Barcelona.
Although 100 million in debt and just had a loan, they in theory run it as a non profit organisation. With directors being voted in etc They vot in a chairman who has to put money in the club via his investors. All he gets out of it is the privilege of running the club!
They dont have shirt sponsers!
They play beautiful football!
Have Great Supporters
Have a good stadium!
I watched a program about behind the Scenes at Barcelona last year, the above is what i perseved and understood it to be! Maybe im wrong, im sure someone will correct me! Id rather have the above set up to what we have now, or a Sugar Daddy!
@samDevil
I do agree with you but not 100% confident!
I accept that there is a chance that behind the scenes the purse strings are being trimmed, transfer kitty cut. Fergie looking at it and saying, I have a great team to work with. I only have a couple of more years remaining. He is being sensible with his Transfer Kitty, Not the value in the market that we have been used too. Real, Chelsea and City have seen to that!
However, i do believe fergie is not at the club for Money! This man is just after more Success! This is all he wants! Trophies. Is there anyone better? I dont think so!
@bruce thomas
There is nothing wrong with yachts and big houses if thats your thing. Are you trying to tell me half the share holders during the plc days didnt have debt and yachts and big houses. Rich people have big houses get over it mate.
As for the horses spunk, I say this. The horse spunk giveth and the horse spunk taketh away. If this extra hobby (horse racing) didnt excist in Sir Alexs life and he didnt have a release then maybe his health wouldnt be as good as it is today and we wouldnt have him here. Swings and roundabouts mate. We can all hark on how we got here, whats to blame and whats to whine about but then all you do is deatroy the now. Im glad people like your good self fight the fight and treat you as one of my brothers as it were but i believe the green and gold put an awkward feeling through the club last year, the same awkward feeling when sir alex said hed retire, the same awkward feeling when Knighton was going to buy united, the same awkward feeling when all the hoo ha about the plc being sold. Those also seemed to be the years that not a great deal was achieved on the trophy front. Last year we should of won the league hands down, all the poor results against lesser teams neednt of happened and even without Ronaldo we were heads and shoulders above Chelsea. The awkwardness on the teracces has only hindered team spirit which is needed to really make a go of things. If we carry on with the green and gold as much as last year Im concerned we’ll lose ground against City and Chelsea that shouldnt at all be lost. We are by far the better club and side and we all need to pull together.
so what is fergie saying? That if he want’s to spend money he can do – he will be given money, that the Glazers have always given him what he wanted… he genuinely does not want to spend too much on a player, that’s his call not the owners…
… am not commenting on the overall club situation just the manager’s position
@Tony Starks
What would you do mate, who would you buy. Would you spend 30 million on Balotelli just because a few people say hes good, Mourinho wasnt that impressed with him (not that I accept his judgement on all things football). Dzeko? Benzema?…… We just bought Hernandez, scored a beauty last night and di bloody well in the world cup, faired head and shoulders better than those mentioned above. Would you have been happier if Fergie spent 30 million on him after the world cup. Would that have stopped the snipping at the Glazers and lack of transfer funds. ……
Let us know.
@ goat
Thank you for your response. I take your points. If we got rid of the Glazers, then the bad feeling you talk about would melt away in a moment. But we won’t win the PL hands down ever again unless we reinforce with quality AS WELL AS bringing through young players. I’m just worried that we’re being sold a tale because the money isn’t there.
It’s not as simple as some have said, that if United go down the Glazers go down too. To them United is just another square on their monopoly board, it’s a game. If they lose, you can be sure that the houses and yachts have been ring-fenced. Your club might go down, but the Glazers won’t. They’re the worst owners in football — on a par with Hicks and Gillett — and look what happened to the Dippers.
Bruce Thomas.
Jeez you should see somebody,Youv’e obviously got a problem going by 99%of your posts.
@Bruce Thomas
I wouldnt worry about the money being there, thats out of our control and to be honest irrelevant in my eyes. Irrelevant he says …tut tut tut. I mean if you sell Ronaldo for 80 million and you have a transfer kitty of 20 – 30 a season anyway than all and sundry will cry foul as soon as 100 million isnt spent. Well to be honest there is only one ronaldo. Ronaldo is the best player in the world and has gone on to show that at Madrid. There isnt another 80 million pound player out there so unless you plan on spending 100 million on 3,4,5 possitions then the entire money cant be spent anyways. If the money isnt spent people cry foul. Do you really think United is so bad that they need to replace 3,4,5 of the top 11. I dont. So people cry foul. Its a no win situation for Fergie and the Glazers. We have spend upwards of 30 million, a good prospect in Smalling and Hernandez, could have been 45 million spent total had it not been for the genious of Fergie and his scouts. He saves the club money – the fans cry out theres no money.
Come on people get behind the club. We want red at OT and only red.
@Bruce Thomas.
In regards to the Liverpool comment. The trouble at Liverpool has been created solely in the managers office or the board room – choosing the wrong manager. To even compare Manchester United to Liverpool in any shape or form is criminal. I hate reading on here or on Skysports Liverpool fans and United fans agreeing with each other that we have the worse owners. Thats bullshit. Ours arent argueing amongst themselves, ours lets the manager get on with things. Hillet and Gicks are fucking awful and somewhat mentally retarded and I hope the fighting WITH the Liverpool supporters sincerely stops. We should not be fighting their corner as they have only themselves to blame for the mess theyre in. They are shit because the managers they have brought in are coaches and have very little man to man skills. It was too soon for Kenny Dalglish and he only went on to do a Mourinho, take over a good side for a few years and put no future plans in place. Souness was a coach and motivator but didnt understand the big picture, only understood that Liverpool needed a souness on the field hence his retarded signings. He inherited a ship with a small hole in the side and during his reign the hole just kept growing. Same with the grey haired twat, forget his name (evans?), Thompson as well. Their best manager was Houlier and it was realistically his team that won the champions league, but he created a cup winning side not a league winning side. Then there was the FSW, he was a coach – knew nothing about youth systems – image etc and ran the club even further down the shitter. Liverpool are in the mess theyre in not because of the owners but because of the mediocrity that followed Shankley, Fagan and Paisley.
Stop fighting WITH the dippers start fighting with the dippers.
Errr, goat. The figures come right out of the bond package. That my boy is a hard fact.
@Goat..
…am just clarifying the manager’s viewpoint for people… not disagreeing with him at all, who am I to disagree with the greatest manager in our history
@ parryheid
Yes I do have a problem (obviously with you know who). I shall henceforth never mention them again. Time will tell.
@Tony Starks
I maybe read too much into your comment, I appologise and wasn’t trying to belittle you.
@Red Phil
Thanks for the reply. I dont doubt you, why should I. I dont think youd waste your time and just spout out tripe on here, a pointless endeavor. What Im trying to say that even though the 150 million is mentioned and can be backed up with a number on an important piece of paper it doesnt tell the whole picture. Only the people on the inside know what that means and know how it can be dealt with, what all the conditions are behind it. For instance we all think a couple of suits coming in and mortgaging our club is wrong – not legally just morally. But by taking out a certain loan with certain conditions how do we (not in know) know, that this was given on the “understanding” that certain clients would be helped out. Certain sponsorship deals, tours of America with branding flashing all over the place??? ……..
What Im trying to say is, if the man at the top says the view is clear and the weather is nice. Im not going to argue from my place in the basement.
Did any of you who are whinging about our club ownership see that match last night? If so, why do you so quickly get pulled down into all this negativity? Yes we’ve debt but we’re also valued by Forbes as the richest “sports club” on the plant.
Did you see those kids last night? Did you hear Tom Cleaverly’s interview with ESPN? If you could get your heads out of your backsides you see that the future’s so so bright.
LU – IFIT
Shit song, the park one was shit and so is this.
@Dave Mack
The future success of the club unfortunately doesn’t only depend on our talented youngsters.
*Taking my head back in my backside*
Bruce Thomas.
Why shouldnt you mention it,This is a forum for all just every now and again give us a break.I dont want you thinking I’m sniping my friend.
Goat.
Sir Alex is further from the top than city analitical financiers. Sir alex is an ex footballer who now manages a football team really well, all due respect to him, I wouldn’t ask him advice on my mortgage.
The facts are in black and White in the bond prospectus, they can take that money yearly out of the club. This year though, due to the ST boycott, a clause has been triggered and they can now only take £75m. These are financial facts that the boycott is working but it’s still not enough. Other management would see that as £150m for the team to rebuild and dominate football to make more money yet again. Not the glazers. They are falsifying the brand of united. They are draining the money from the club whilst breaking records of sponsorship every other week seemingly. This means that they can take over a billion pounds from the club before 2017 and still own the most sponsored sports club in the world valued at over a billion pounds. For an investment of £125m (their input to claim the 28.9% of the shares) they can get a return of over 2billion. And where does that money come from? You and me.
Boycott now, get them out, get the money back on the pitch. Who would you prefer to see in the squad, darron Gibson or Wesley sneijder? It’s your choice to boycott but don’t complain to those that tried when our club is playing in the LDV vans trophy.
Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. Not saying that you should buy the shirt but Nike has a deal with United in which they pay a fixed some to the Glazers and take all the profit from the jersey sales (maybe give 5-10% of the sales to the Glazers) so it won’t really affect the Glazers if you don’t buy the shirt (Though, as far as I know, profit of the stuff bought from the megastore goes to the Glazers).
If someone wants to buy the shirt, it’s fine. It’s their choice. Stop forcing people to change their views/opinions and calling them traitors and shit if they do get a jersey. What makes e laugh is people who actually got a season ticket are saying this and the reason is if they don’t buy it someone else will, wtf? Not saying that you shouldn’t buy the ticket (it’s up to you) but if you have bought it then stop telling shit to others for getting a shirt/jersey. I hate the Glazers as much as everyone else here does, but I forcing people to think your way is just plain stupid. If they do get a shirt or a season ticket doesn’t mean they are traitors or what not.
I love United more than I hate the Glazers. I want to support my team each time they play by wearing red, no matter what’s happening off the field because that comes second. Yes, I did get the home shirt, and I’m proud of getting one, and I love United.
Sir Alex – The current deal with Nike expires in three seasons. If Nike stop making so much money from United shirts, they’ll think twice about renewing their deal, therefore putting more financial pressure on the Glazers.
Who are you talking to when you’re telling someone to “stop forcing people to change their opinion”?
Bruce Thomas – The irish duo that SAF was involved with didn’t own the club, they had shares in the club. I’m not sure what difference it made any way, the Glazers would still have bought club, but i do agree that didn’t help things. I don’t think some of our fans should be going after SAF on this issue, if you want blame anyone, then balme Edwards.
@ willierednut
Fair point. Edwards was not saint for sure. At the end of the day, “they” know that “they” can depend on us loving United more than we hate “them”.
See, parryheid, I didn’t mention the Glazers, …..aawww shit!
@ Willerednut but those Irish blokes had more shares than anyone else. If they decided not to sell there was no way Glazer could have taken full control of the club. I think thats what Bruce Thomas point was. Edwards was a twat and a rugby man, he never wanted anything to do with the football club. When things started getting succesful he was more than happy to enjoy being a peeping tom and convalescing with hookers.
@Scott the Red – Well 3 years is quite some time. Anyway, United has 60m fans around the globe, so do you really think that would happen? I was feeling a little low when I did get the shirt thinking I might be the only one but then I read a shirt thread on RedCafe and I was surprised to know that actually many people do think like I do, people who’ve been supporting United since decades including some season ticket holders as well. United are a massive club, even if Nike does say withdraw after 3 years, you’ll have plenty of other brands wanting to strike a deal with United maybe for not as much as the current deal but probably enough to make the Glazers happy simply because United are massive. MUST had about 170k followers on their website (that’s the last time I checked) and United has 60m fans around the world, so how much is that of the total fans? like 1%? And I bet half of those 170k just joined for the heck of it.
You, me and everyone else wants the Glazers out but I’m not telling anyone what to do, it’s their wish to get a shirt, season ticket or any merchandise they want. I just expressed how many people think at the moment. You got a season ticket and I guess you’ve been getting one for years now, if I were you then I would have probably done the same and got a season ticket for this season as well. All I’m trying to say if you are forcing people not buy the shirt or calling people shit who are getting merchandise then you shouldn’t because you yourself have a season ticket and that’s one thing from which all many goes directly to those Glazers. Generally what I’ve seen till now is that many fans who have decided not to get any merchandise are calling those who have traitors and other shit which definitely is silly. If someone can resist not getting a ticket or the shirt then that’s f*cking awesome but if they can go get one, it’s their opinion and no I’m not forcing anyone to do anything where as many others are which is pissing me off. I don’t see what’s wrong in wearing the colors of my team that I love and want to show support to.
This is nothing personal. That’s just how I feel. I love you, I love United and I love ROM
. Your articles are ace, keep it up.
Excuse me for any typos please as I cba reading it again lol.
NRD – IMHO the coolmore mafia were always gonna sell their shares to the Glazers mate. Agree on Edwards, it all started with him floating United on the stock market.
@Scott the Red – I’m talking to all those who are trying to do that. Many people who comment on RoM are and many others on other popular blogs/forums are as well. Suggesting is fine but forcing someone to do something is just wrong. If someone does the opposite then calling them a traitor and other shit is wrong, isn’t it? And no I’m not directing this at you. It’s just what many fan feel/do at the moment.
Bruce Thomas.
Christ you surprised me,You cracked a funny.
Sir Alex – Yeh 3 years. That’s kindof the point innit. If every season we sell fewer and fewer shirts, then someone at Nike is going to take notice.
Do I really think that’s going to happen? If 10 years ago you told me that 4,000 United season tickets would be on general sale, I’d assume we were in Division 4. Match day tickets, let alone season tickets, used to be like gold dust at Old Trafford, but look at where the protest has taken us.
I just want United fans to put as much pressure on the Glazers as possible. Not buying a shirt is an easy way to do that.
I can’t force anyone to change their opinions. I can express my opinion though.
@Scott the Red – As far as Nike is concerned, I commented about it on my previous post of what I feel. My real reason of argument was against those out and out anti-glazer people who slate off anyone in their way by calling them a traitor. You are against the Glazers and so am I, why wouldn’t I want the betterment of our club? G&G is definitely a step-forward in trying to get those Glazers out of here and I’m supporting it. But it does have it’s on pros and cons (better not go into detail here lol) and does not guarantee what we are trying to achieve. I do/will contribute where ever I possible can for the cause. You got a season ticket but not getting the shirt this year. I’m not from Manchester so yeah I can’t be getting a season ticket. I did get a home shirt but I think the winter merchandise is ace and would have probably bought that as well if it had been for the Glazers, that’s a little contribution from my side for the cause, at least I feel it is. You guys are lucky enough to go to Old Trafford week in, week out to watch United play. Since I can’t really do that, wearing red to show support to my team which I love isn’t wrong imo.
I’m actually against those jerks on the internet and those out and out anti-glazer people. The out and out anit-glazer fans are actually fighting for the betterment of the club, no doubt but doing so many are just slagging off fellow fans.
Seeing you got a season ticket for this season, if a huge number of those out and out anti-glazer people came to RoM and keep on slagging you off for getting that ticket, won’t you feel terrible?
I guess you understand what I’m trying to say.
Off topic: Any news on Valencia? Any idea when he’ll resume training again?
*if it hadn’t been for the Glazers
Sorry for that typo.
You Dont Understand.
He might blow up and kill this man…… there is a thought!
You can tell your Maw I moved to Arkansa(s)
I fucking hate Billy Ray Cirus.
Not as much as the reason behind the Video.
Sir Alex – And I wrote on article on me renewing. I do get hassle from some people for it. I renewed it because I suppose I am selfish to a degree, I don’t want to not go to Old Trafford every other week, and respect to those who have given it up. I also strongly believe that the people who oppose the Glazers should have a voice inside the stadium.
I suppose for me personally, I can’t understand why anyone would need a shirt so badly. I think not buying a shirt is a relatively easy way to put pressure on the Glazers. I’m not forcing anyone to agree with me though.
I agree with you Scott. I’ll hold your hand lad!
Interestingly, through a conversation with a fellow red in the office today, I came across a worrying development that I hadn”t previously considered.
Now we all know that there has been a drop in season ticket take up, but beyond speculation, no-one has been able to nail the reasons why.
My colleague told me that he very nearly didn’t renew and two of his pals haven’t renewed because of the protests.
Great news you might think, if you are a lemon and limer? Well yes and no. These guys were so sick of the campaigning, so tired of the distraction from the footy, that they are sitting on the sidelines for 2010/11, hoping it all dies down before coming back.
So Scott, and any other active match-going campaigners, it appears that your actions are actually driving ordinary United fans away, because all they ever wanted was to go to the match, wear red and white, sing traditonal United songs and get behind the team.
If this was your aim, then well done, it might be working. But at what cost? How successful can Manchester United hope be in the future with a half full stadium of malcontents and everyone else watching from their living rooms?
And on that bombshell, goodnight.
Shame on you Scott. How dare you oppose the Glazers.
@Paul H great mate Lemon and limers.
Please share your wisdom how we get out of this pickle.
We are all United I believe on this blog.
? What are you doing to rid ourselves of this leech.
I have written on numerous pieces till i Am sick to the back teeth almost crying.
We all must support the Lads and shout from our hearts.
I wish i new the answer, what I do seriously think is some bigger radical thinking is required.
Paul H. What do you not understand? It’s not about how successful we are as a club. I couldn’t give a fuck if we were in division 10. It’s the football buzz of going to your club with your pals and watching the shirts run around. If we win then great. I can’t believe you have the nerve to sit and say that those trying to save the club, so that it does continue winning in the future, is driving poor old you away. Fucking man up would you.
Paul H – Your colleague sounds soft as shit. Honestly, he didn’t give up his season ticket as a show of support of the protest, he didn’t renew because he couldn’t stand giving it up… he gave up a season ticket at Old Trafford because of the distraction of the protest?
Fuck me, I hope he is never fortunate enough to own a season ticket at Old Trafford again, with or without the Glazers as our owners.
Christ, that is fucking embarrassing.
@RedScot, Red Phil
Don’t expect an answer lads.
Hey guys, I’m just sharing an different pov that honestly hadn’t occurred to me before today. I’d always assumed that non-renewers were either down to being skint or Glazer rage. This adds a new dimension, but is it all that surprising when you consider some of the antics? I mean how many supporters with their kids panicked when those nutters let off smoke bombs outside the megastore at the end of the season? How many people are sick of being chided for not belting out a chorus of “all I know is Glazer’s gonna die?”
This is not the way to go into the new campaign. I mean United’s, not MUSTs…..
To everyone who has recently taken issue with my posts…
My only agenda is a genuine dislike for how the club I support is being run. I am not anti-Glazer for the sake of it but I deplore the financial mess the owners have made of Manchester United.
I cannot see the point of SAF’s stance. By defending the Glazers he derides our genuine concerns.
With ageing players to be replaced, along with long term injured ones and with a lack of quality in certain areas it is hard to argue against signing new players. I don’t think anyone but the most deluded supporter buys into the ‘there’s money available’ / ‘but there’s lack of value in the market’ PR bullshit.
Until the necessary squad improvements are made, it can only point to a severe lack of money, for United’s regeneration but not for the Glazers’many lifestyle indulgences and business miscalculations — pure and simple.
Paul H – I honestly hope that anyone who could give their Manchester United season ticket up for such pathetic reasons has done so. Honestly, I am horrified there are people who would do that. That is truly pathetic.
The smoke bombs that went off outside the megastore was fucking yonks before kick off and was easily avoidable. What used to go on outside and inside football stadiums is a lot more dangerous than that. Shall we give the little loves some anti-bac handwash before they enter the grounds? An option to wrap them up in cotton wool at the megastore?
Where I sit is fairly vocal with the anti-Glazer stuff, but I’ve never seen anyone get hassled for not singing Glazers going to die.
Christ, I really am a little bit depressed now. Tell your colleague he’s a dick from me lol.
@Scott the Red – I liked the shirt and I wanted it so I got it. Obviously there was no desperation to get one. I can possibly tell you the same thing that you could have done without a season ticket this season. You like going to Old Trafford – you got a season ticket,
@Scott the Red – I liked the shirt and I wanted it so I got it. Obviously there was no desperation to get one. I can possibly tell you the same thing that you could have done without a season ticket this season. You like going to Old Trafford – you got a season ticket, I like the new shirt – I got it, simple. All I’m trying to say is everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if someone does opposite to what you do then you shouldn’t call them a traitor and what not after all we all are United fans, aren’t we?
Anyway, let’s hope for a fantastic season ahead!
There’s only one United!
Lads i think some need to grow bigger balls, We are all individuals who can make our minds up for our selves! We all get dressed in the morning and are able to eat with Knives and Forks!
Whether er you agree or disagree with the Glazer protest or not its your choice, Not anyone else’s. Its like being in the School Playground with peer pressure!
20 % Feel really passionate and Actively Try to Do Something
10% Feel Passionate and Let others do the work.
10% Join the Cause but couldnt tell you why but that there a beliver!
30% Join the cause because they see everyone else doing it and dont want to be left out.
20% join cause they haven’t the bollox to stand up to other people and said NO i don’t agree.
5% Disagree, but say fair play and respect the others choice
5% Disagree and try to argue that it is wrong!
My Simple Logic is!
If i want a United shirt – Buy one!
If i want a red and white scarf – Buy One
If i want to go to old trafford – go
If i want to be green and gold – do it.
If i dont. then Wont!
I respect we all have choices, but there inst a right and wrong!
@trevor – Yep, if you read my previous comments then you’ll notice that’s what I’m trying to say.
Sir Alex – There’s the difference though. I am desperate to go to Old Trafford and it would be an incredibly difficult thing to give up. You’re not desperate to buy the shirt, as you just said, so like I said in my comment above, it seems like a fairly easy thing to give up doing for the sake of the protest. Not that you have to do it, but if you’re not that arsed one way or another, then why not keep a bit of cash back from the Glazers and put them under pressure?
People are going to do what they want, I just am of the belief everyone should put a lot of thought in to how far they’re prepared to go, rather than just buying a shirt or whatever else for the hell of it.
@Scott the Red – By desperation I meant that my life wouldn’t stop if I didn’t get a shirt, I’ve been getting one every season for quite some time now. Giving up a season ticket is much more tougher than giving up the shirt for a season, no doubt, but since I’m not lucky enough to have a season ticket since I’m not from Manchester, giving up the shirt isn’t very easy for me especially when I like it. Well why didn’t you give up your season ticket like quite a few season ticket holders did? Because you are selfish or if you did someone else would buy it? I can say the very same thing as well, a jersey costs 40-50 pounds and that’s worth nothing to those Glazers but yes when millions of those sell then it does make a difference. Where as a season ticket costs more than 20 times of what a shirt does and the all the money directly goes to the Glazers. So if you were supporting the cause so badly then you would have given up on a season ticket, life wouldn’t have stopped if did give up on one. I do support G&G and want those Glazers out asap but I can’t do a lot myself to help, like I said I gave up on the winter merchandise, that’s the little I could do and I did. Not trying to personally attact you but just trying to put my point forward.
Since there isn’t a lot of signs of the Glazers leaving just yet and I have an once in a lifetime chance of watching the Manchester derby at OT would I give it up because of the Glazers? No (the same way you couldn’t give up on a season ticket even tho you can get one later on or just get match day tickets where as I can’t do any of that), and I doubt many would if they had to make a choice there.
@Scott the Red – The last part of my previous comment was obviously assumption, if I did I have a chance to visit OT, that is.
@Bruce thomas, mate I dont think anybody was having a pop at you for your protests.I think not for me to think for the blog the boys were getting pissed of every post you made had some reference to the Glazer.
Even when it was meant to be a fun article.
I think what you cant do and is not acceptable is question Sir Alex’s stance.
I did note on another blog that you dissed ROM about you not being heard.
Thats not correct or fair, as far I saw anyway.
You cant bang the Drum alone mate, not for me again to try to get people on side.
I am not as astute as a lot of the Boys on the blog, but what I am is generally rational. And ok a bit nutty.Thats just to raise the Bar.
We need some radical thinking on this topic to rid ourselves of this Cancer.
Oh, no, I bought some merch last week. A cool thirty dollars lining the Glazers’ Armani pockets. Whatever shall I do with myself?