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What A Ball
Seriously, what a ball, what supreme control, what a goal. GGMU!
shocking defending at the death, I dont even know what to say
shit, i could have done without that today
i was in such a good mood too, that has gone out the window
FUCKING everton, fluky liverpudlian bastards
no MOTD for me later
Second game we threw away
Great game, although very disappointed it ended 3-3.
Only have ourself to blame, we were up 3-1.. had 2 great counter attack chances but our lads just blew it.
I don’t want to point finger to players, but Evans again proved he couldn’t be depended against strong players such as Zamora, Yakubu etc. That is his weakness. His set pieces defending is awful too. Evra has the worst game I’ve ever seen.
But credit to Scholes for he has been magnificent. Bring on the Poo next week.
Stupid Fucks!!!…What the hell…that is the fucking problem with us…when we are leading we always(i stress always) try to play relaxed and thinking we already clinched the game…this is what happens…we let go two stupid fucking soft goals…fucking bullshit…the game was ours..and we fucking let it slip thru their fucking fingers…are we going to keep doing this the whole fucking season…come on fergie…see to this fucking carelesness that creeps in when ever we are leading a game…fucking bullshit this…i am fucking livid
Never win the league defending like this. Fulham redux. Coasting to victory and gift the game away.
Carry on like that and we have fuck all chance of winning the league.
Easy chances for Berbatov, Scholes and Nani to make it 1-4 and we contrive to fuck it up. Fucking shambolic.
Never been more gutted.
But I guess, this could be the moment. They are experiencing Sir Alex’s wrath.. that -I’m sure- will mark so deep and can be a good thing for us for the rest of this season.
(Which kinda remind me of the City game a few seasons ago when we were beaten 3-0.. after that we were unstoppable)
it’s strange all l can do is laugh
I couldn’t believe how lamely we gave the ball away after the restart at 3-2. Should have just taken it slow. Ah well, two points better than we did at Fulham and Everton last season.
Also much as it stinks to drop the points at the death like that, it was a pretty fair result. They had us under siege for huge spells of the match, created some good chances too. That’s not to say I don’t think we played well overall either, I don’t think you can call a game where you go to a tough ground like Goodison and score three a bad performance, I just think Everton played equally well. Moyes had our number tactically as well.
what a stupid mistake!!!!!!!! we’re not going to win the league this year if our team play like this every time the opponent team score at the last minute…..
shite like this is y we didnt win the league last season…
@TheRadLegion
even if we become unstoppable..hope this dropped four points are not costly come the end of the season..i just hope fergie fucking tear into them that will fucking scar them for the rest of the season…careless idiots…
3-2 1 min ago.. what does neville do? hoofs it up the pitch to them… gee thanks gary
p.s i dont why people are blaming nani/berbatov.. nani created and berbatov scored.. they did their job.. too bad the defenders didnt.. we needed to take giggs/scholes and neville off.. they were tired.. anyone with eyes could see that.. shocking.. absolutely shocking
I like how we blame a forward line up that respectively scored 3 goals. There is no one else to blame then our defense. I like Evans but he gets caught out of position a lot and I can not understand playing O’Shea in the midfield. I am just stunned at our lack of defensive understanding and communication. Some how we put nearly everyone back and Arteta is all alone on the pk spot? Some how one of the smallest players on the pitch gets in between two of our tallest (O’Shea and Evans) and scores a header? Where was Evans on the third goal? He was planted on the line, why was he not charging down Arteta, and why was Scholes so deep to begin with? There was such a collection of errors with the defense today. I don’t know what can cause this mental breakdowns but something must be fixed. Credit to Nani and Berbatov who played well all game. Yea they missed a chance or two but Berba got a great goal, and Nani set up two goals, so hard to complain about there output.
We didn’t win the league last season because we lost at Everton and Fulham. This season we take two points where we had zero. That’s an improvement in my book.
@Everyone:
Is anyone aware we play a different style of football then our previous seasons. Which is a good thing. Sure we have some defending errors, but overall.. the way we distribute the ball.. the link up play.. It feels more dynamic and quite lively.
I think -to be honest with you- as gutted I am as anyone here, we played a good football. Our movement has purpose, whereas last season or the season before.. everything has to go through Rooney/Ronaldo.. this time anyone can do a link up play. I’m gutted but I think the way we play -apart of ou defending- it’s quite promising.
Gutted! How did we manage to lose this match is beyond me. FFS…couldnt they pass it around for a minute?
Aaah…..i feel so miserable!
what irony. scott juz re-posted the best final 3 minutes in our history……now i know how bayern munich suporters feel like.
shit.
Weekend ruined. I feel worse than a defeat. I thought our defending was terrible in that Everton just had attack after attack that always looked like a goal coming. They just went through the midfield like butter. I was never relaxed and knew that if we didn’t get a 4th it could get tricky.
That’s 4 points dropped to late goals. Probably lose the title by a point, again.
What a fucking sickener.
No use blaming the attackers, a defence in a team like United cannot let a 2 goal lead slip, letting a 1 goal lead go like at Fulham a few weeks ago is bad enough.
At that 3rd goal, I was in heaven. A very good display by Berbatov, capped off by that cool goal. Someone tell me that this game ended then…
nah nothing can compare to the shitt bayern would of felt in 99, but this is a good kick to the balls as any.
I’ve got to remember that I was seething when Berbatov took a selfish shot then Nani also did another selfish shot later on when they could of got a 4th pretty easily, moments like that…
when we have the opportunity to attack after taking the lead we just tend to slow things down…that is fucking stupid…we should be chasing for goals…since the rentboys are up on goals….and this is what we do…i am really gutted and livid
@Obertan, the problem was not Giggs and Scholes being tired, it was an awful defending. They still have not learnt the mistakes they did against Fulham. They wasted 2 great opportunities, because Berbatov and Nani thought the game was all over. It wasn’t their fault of course, but they should have done their job better than that.
How can people blame Berbatov and Nani for having a go with a two goal lead. Berba scored a great goal and Nani had two fantastic assists. How are they to blame for getting an 8 rating instead of 10. Shouldn’t we be more concerned with the 5 and 4′s of our defense. I get the some of you hate Berbatov but come on, where is the logic?
4 matches into the new season and rent boys could go 4 points clear.
We simply are not good enough and killing teams off. Today we should have been 5 :1 up by the final whistle. We are too casual for are own good.
It hurts to say it, unless Chelsea has a dip in form we are already out of it. And we only have ourselves to blame for it.
Doghouse: I appreciate your optimism but I cannot share it I’m afraid. Yes, we are 2 points better off than last season but a team with title aspirations just cannot, cannot do that under any circumstances – it’s unforgivable. We lost the title by 1 point last season. We’ve just dropped 2 today.
This completely ruined my weekend. It was all going so well, and then this shite happens. Rio needs to come back, Fergie needs to absolutely lay into the defence, forget the hairdryer, we need a fucking flamethrower. The defensive midfielder needs to be much better, id have preferred to see gibson on, and i have no idea what was going on in evans’s mind after 90 minutes. You cant give away easy points like this, thats twice now
@DevilisRed – Mate, comparing a European cup final with a league match against everton? Dont think so! But i agree…it feels horrible.
@Red Typhoon, i kinda agree with you. We do need to change on how we play when we lead 2 or 3 goals. Just looked at the match against West Ham last 2,3 weeks ago(i forgot when exactly)… yes, we won but when we’re 3-0 up with still 25 minutes left, we stop attacking and concentrating on defending when our defensive lines are not that strong. that also is the reason why we rarely scored five or six goals and the lads really needs to stop being selfish. if there’s a better chance for your team mates to scored, why don’t you fucking pass unless you can finish it yourself… okay, I’ll leave everything to Fergie then…
@Kevin
Apparently we have to score 5 and 6 away from home in order to be safe. Berba and Nani did very well. Can’t fault them for much today.
So is this one of those games we’ll be pointing accusing fingers at, when trying to find a reason why we got done in once again, at the end of the season? Some might say that considering what happened at Goodison last season, its a point gained, but fuck that we had the game won. I cant believe we went out like such punks. We need to take it out on the scousers next week, nothing less than victory will be acceptable.
@Kevin and the rest:
I don’t blame them. As you said they have contributed well. But I wish they learnt from that bitter experience against Fulham. Nothing is safe. If you get a chance, you have to take it. Those 2 opportunities we had was a complete waste.
Costas I need some tonic
I’ve lost my rallying call mojo
Gutted absolute gutted
@aimanunited
That’s it..exactly…we should change just that part of our game…and after today…our defending too…
The worst thing of all is if we are starting to develop a complex for away games in certain grounds. One way to look at it is to say that we already have 2 extra points from the corresponding games last season. Another way is to say that our defence can’t do the very basics.
We should have layed our Craven Cottage and Goodison Park lousy recent records to rest.
WTF was that? Great display! Except for Gary! Who was out of place. Then park??? Why park?
@United4ever:
What’s wrong with Park?
Chucked another two point’s away today.Now I’m left hoping the rabbits can take a bite out of Chelsea,what a sickener.
@MG
Can’t blame you for that. It’s hard to defend this or feel positive right now. Things will calm down over the next few days and we will rally behind the lads ahead of the next two.
The problem is that in our first obstacles we have sensationaly tripped and fell over them. Thankfully, this isn’t 110 meter hurdles or we would have been out of it by now.
Someone has to sort the defence out pronto.
chelsea already leading west ham 1-0….unfortunately this will be a long hard season….
WTF just happened….really pissed…
lol I wonder what is happening right now at the dressing room
But I think the wrath they are experiencing from Sir Alex right now can be a good thing as a reminder for the lads for the rest of the season.
Bring on the Poo
@United4Evr?
park was the right solution, we needed someone to keep running at a shaky distin, and coleman was looking a bit dangerous with his overlapping runs
its not parks fault, we cant defend properly
Stupid to compare the results at everton and fulham last season with today. We have a good squad and playing them early this season was meant to benefit us. Last season we were woeful in both games. This season we were in a winning position in both games and played some decent stuff.
@Balaji & JD
i’m not a prick, of cos can’t be compare to a euro cup final. but i really aint use to this shit.
feeling sick now.
Sir Alex too can be a problem at times. Bringing Nev into A fiesty game like Everton is beyond belief. This squad is NOT good enough. Sir Alex says it is, I dont understand Him. Somebody needs to sit Him down and tell Him the truth. Its time for Rafael and Owen to start getting games…
@Costas:
Spot on!
I’ve never been sold on Evans to be honest.. and am not too sure about Ferdinand. The only thing I can remember of Smailing at the moment is his nervousness.
2 things I notice from Evans since last season:
1. He couldn’t handle big strong opponent like Zamora, Yakubu etc.. next week comes Torres.. he better be ready
2. His set pieces defending has been improved.. alas.. it’s not there yet.
absolutely gutted…coasting to 3 points and the curse strikes again
the curse being we just cant seem to defend corners, set pieces and crosses anymore……all pre season it was a genuine concern…happened against fulham and today we lost 2 vital headers late on.
And paddy pull your finger out lad, thats 2 errors in 2 away days.
Oh well.
Fuck rentboys have scored
@AIG:
Spot on!
I want to think about the positives..but i cant. Does anybody see Chelski losing points like these?
In what is already turning out to be a long, hard seson we could do well without these mistakes.
@TheRadLegion
To be honest, I am not positive that what’s happening in the dressing room will give them a wake up call. Maybe as Fergie said after the 3-1 defeat at City in 2002, the fans should go there and have a talk with them. The travelling reds deserved much better today.
@obertanthenewstar
I remember when Rafael didn’t boot the ball towards the end of a game and him getting stick with people putting it down to inexperience. In the same position, Nev today booted it. So what’s the right thing to do? Sounds like a no-win situation.
Where was Rooney? If he was there then it would be a different score!! At least 1 Granny (Nani) helped the team.
@Sam
. We’ve played two of the toughest games you’ll get outside the top four, and done better than last season and we’ve also splatted some crap teams. Chelsea by contrast have played arguably the easiest games in the season and they’ve got another very easy one today. They’ve not had a tough game yet, not even a hint of a tough game. So sure, they look good. They are building up momentum and have avoided what would have to be considered shock results. But like I say, they haven’t played anybody yet. Their season can only get tougher.
I can’t agree with the pessimism, so I guess we’re even
We’re four games into the season, our attackers are scoring, our defence is looking a little off (but I think some of that is coming from midfield, we got besieged today and even the best defenders in the world will make mistakes if they are under continual pressure) and in general the team is looking good. We’ve played two of the toughest fixtures you’ll find outside of the top four, fixtures that any title contending team could easily lose as evidenced by last season, and we’ve got a couple of points we didn’t get last season. I can’t see that as a bad thing.
Chelsea actually don’t get a tough game for ages. So yeah, they’ll build up a lot of points, get a massive goal difference, and the papers will ride their nuts like it’s cool. Bottom line though is we’ve played two games that any club can easily lose, got some points, and we’ve only played one really easy game, that being West Ham at home (we made Newcastle look easy, but they’ll be trouble for other teams I reckon). There’s no reason for squeaky bums this early in the season given the games we’ve played and the games they’ve played.
@Costas:
Good point.
Beating Liverpool is not the issue. The issue is winning away from Home and winning at top teams not only winning 3-0 at OT
United never give away a 2 goal lead. That is the sort of fear and resignation teams below us always have. All this does is give those teams a chance to go at us till the final whistle.
I am sorry. I just am being a pessimistic bastard today!
Alright Im gonna sleep.. gutted but at least it was a positive performance by the lads up to 90 mins
@TheRadLegion
Lol, that’s it. Block out the negatives.
The shocking thing is we are known for our defending. We currently have a good defence and a nearly fully fit squad. Rooney missed both away games but his absence hasnt affected us a lot. To think all this is happening with vidic there. What would have happened without him?
If we play like this whole season we will nothing but on a positive note our attack is looking good.But for god sake fergie should not play all the three oldiees together and that too for 90 whole minutes.yOU KNow our squad is great but the problem is there are too many average players e.g park,carrick,oshea,nevillee(sorry to say).I wont say we should buy X,Y,Z but fergie should correct his tactics.We have a strong squad who can or i say who will win the league but we shouldnt be complacent
Only thing that makes me feel better is knowing how many other people feel just as gutted..
Can’t believe it that this situation always happen,when United are a leading a game, they always end up with a draw or losing it. Adequate player to win the Premier League my ass.When others club buy player with a small fraction of the price that United targeted, they said United got adequate player to challenge.Simon Kjaer – Wolfsburg Neven Subotic -
Damn, what a waste. Park for Evra doesn’t look so clever now, but neither does Nev, Scholes and Giggs playing the full 90. These guys shouldn’t be carrying the burden, they should be impact players.
Where will the debt management show up? Probably when the squad is stretched by one too many injuries, ahead of a mid week CL game for which we need fresh legs, and probably towards the end of a tough away game. Bit like today really…
Here comes the over reaction.
A draw in both games is a decent result but it is the position from which we have drawn the games that is disappointing. Whos to say the same wont happen against villa,spurs,city.
Doghouse.. completely agree with you mate. Well said. Season is far from over and Chelsea as you said haven’t played anyone in the top half of the table so lets not get too carried away people. It’s just the start of a very long season and when Chelsea slip up .. and they will .. we’ll be there to pounce
Citeh 1-0 down
Bring back fuckin carlos Q now!
Call me stupid or what not but to me we have gone backwards tactically since he left.. Its not a snipe at fergie or anyone really just an honest observation..
This shit never happened when he was our right hand man and i don’t mean losing i mean us havin the lead and then SIT BACK AND FUCKIN DEFEND IT LIKE WE A SMALL TIME TEAM! We always kept control of the game the tempo the chance creation etc but now we seem to be happy to let teams come onto us and create chance and just hope for the best..
Tactics have gone out the window in the past 2 years or so
And it needs serious addressin
On a positive note Berbatov is startin to live up to our high expectations of him 3 in 4 now and he’s playin the way a forward should play now very impressed now if the rest can pull the finger we well capable of going on a 10game winning streak
Willie
its valid for fans to get angry. That was unacceptable.
on another note, blackburn just scored against city….
hahaha.. Blackburn 1 up at citeh! get in!
@AIG
Before the season, I was thinking that we need to end the bad streak at Fulham, Everton and Villa. It was really pissing me off. Imagine blowing it again like this.
People gave Nani a hard time after the penalty miss at Fulham. At the time, I said 2 things. 1) We didn’t need that penalty to protect ourselves for 5 freaking minutes. 2) Who’s to say that we wouldn’t have fucked it up even at 3-1 up?
And look what happened today.
@Xyth, our inability to kill teams off is fucking frustrating I agree, we are so damn wasteful. Thats one thing the rentboys are masters at, spanking teams. Not being ruthless in front of goal will cost us this season, the players seem to be satisfied when we’re 2-1 or 3-1 up and do not have any desire to go for goal. Shameful stuff, this is not the right attitude.
It’s pretty hard not to be pessimistic when your team is 3-1 up and one minute into injury time and you get pegged back… Hell, Everton had a great chance to WIN 4-3.
I defy any football fan not to be gutted and very down after that. However, in a few hours it will hurt less and then it will be just one of those days and we move on… that’s what it’s all about.
Wiiliered – Overreaction? Dont think so. United is not beyond criticism and what happened today was disgusting. We can look at the bright side and say its 2 points gained from last year, but it still was a shambolic display in defence.
Actually this is one of the few times I can relate to most of the post match negativity here. It’s a horrible feeling. I wouldn’t condone name calling against players or anything like that, but fans have a right to vent today.
Berbatov was brilliant today, had this game not ended the way it did we would be talking about his performance. He looks a different man this season. I really hope we get our shit together, we’ve got important games coming up.
Think we lost the ball to easily at times and this was wearing on my patience all game long. Possibly contributed to increasing nerves at the back. But 2 goals in the final minute. Loss of composure. Tactically, thought Nevile lost us the game in the end but Evans will probably feel it was his fault. Funny that I was just arguing for his experience a couple of days ago. We will press on. Bit up hill, but who needs things to be easy. Up UNITED. Great goals, was really pleased with the attack. Fletcher’s was my favorite for the grit of it.
I’m angry, but some of the commets here are just stupid, bring CQ back, sell that guy, buy that guy etc. There’s always more comments when we don’t win, it’s as if people want United to fail, so they can spew their nonsense. I’m fucking gutted, i want chuck the fucking tele out the window!!
@FletchTHEMAN
Not saying that Neville or Evans had good games, but I think the person that has left Arteta unmarked is as much to blame as anyone else. Still don’t understand what we were doing there.
Not maimign excuses, but to the best of my memory, this was Gary Neville’s first game of any sort in 4 months. He shouldn’t have started.
*making*
I’m so pissed .. no more football for until next game!! Flipping west ham can’t even lay fingers on those blue shit!
I think people are more gutted because we lost the title by a point last season. Christ, I’ve had a whole summer of “what if we’d not lost to Burnley” ” beaten Blackburn” ” Stevie G hadn’t chucked the game” etc..
We know more than ever how critical these games are and lo and behold just two away games in and we’re dropping points from what should be very strong positions for professional footballers..
@willierednut
I will say an old favourite: Sell Berbatov.
@costas
true mate. It was uncharacteristic of us in both the games. Dont know why this is happening even with vidic there. There are times when you can throw one goal away but to throw away 2 goals in such a short time is unacceptable
Balaji – Yes, overfuckingreaction. We dropped points in a game we should win, but you know what, we’ll probably do the same in the future, this is what it’s like when you support United, ups and downs. ps I wouldn’t have it any other way
I agree with willie.Yeah it is apthetic but to say we wont win the league after 4 games is ridiculous.And please guys stop saying chelski are great or better they are shit.I guarentee that stupid howard wont make these kind of saves against chelski.Every team playes their best football against us.See west ham now they aRE playing rubbish atleast they gave a fight against us.But having said that i think fergie should think about his tactics again.
Willie
if you meant that i am sorry. I too disagree with those comments. That is stupid.
I completely disagree with those who say sell this guy, buy that guy. The problem isn’t with the quality of the playing squad, it is with the MENTALITY of the players. They need someone to knock the complacency out of their skulls
hi mates i died
Willie – Neither would i. If you are talking about specific comments, i agree. They smack stupidity. But the negativity in general cannot be termed as an overreaction. Its just the way to vent out your anger so that you dont toss around the whole night in your bed after such an end to the game.
I just hope the boys recover from this shambolic performance of theirs, roll up their socks and perform against rangers and then the kop bastards. We need to keep our heads up.
Lads, me and old man couldn’t believe it, we just looked at each other in absloute shock, but this is United for ya, not good for your health. We’ll win our next 2 games, I’m sure of it.
Costas. Think the RB is turning into a big problem. Dont know why they dont give Da Silva more chances there. Probably thought the game was to big. But Everton fans were really fine, don’t think they were over the top at all. Shouldn’t have played Gary. Gutted to say it.
Crap, West Ham had a good chance there. Offside
Even though no one questions SAF’s decisions and we all know he’s the best manager and all, but playing Oshea everywhere is not the right thing. I mean come on, how come he plays midfield, rightback, and leftback?!! and they depend on him in all these positions. There was no point in taking out Evra especially at the end of the game. And why does SAF put the pressure on Berbatov in the front and for 90 minutes? -_- I’m not complaining about the result as much as I’m complaining about the careless decisions when we’re playing away and have no Rooney and no Rio. I know it’s just the beginning of the season but you don’t regret these mistakes now as much as you regret them at the end of the season when you’re behind Chelsea or whoever and remember wasting 4 points in 2 games
BRILLIANT GOAL BY BERBA!! And for heaven’s sake, stop blaming him and Nani! Were they supposed to have done the job of our back four as well???
Nuff said. time to bring out my psp
Willie
you sure,do you gurantee it?. If we dont i will sue you.lol
I though Berbatov and Nani were brilliant. So seeing comments like “Nani was shocking” is shocking.Actually it doesn’t make sense to say they missed the chance to make it 4 or 5.Yea,it would have been really comfortable to be 4-1 up or 5.but come on, isn’t 3-1 supposed to be comfortable?
i guess we should be biting our nails or damaging remote controls until were at least 4 goals up next time away from home then.till we sort the defence.
At least the “should rooney have played” debate is not the issue this time….of course the media will find a way to bring that in.
One great thing was Berbatov, his passing, shooting and just overall presence on the pitch has been superb this season.
We just need our away form to be more consistent…5 goals scored against us already.
Don’t get the criticism of Nani and Berba, thought them 2 played really well, it was our defense that crumbled in injury time. @ aig no need to sue mate, we’ll win those games lol.
I can’t believe on Man Utd’s official site…candidates for best player against Everton today included Evans? what the hell???
There was no excuse that the team lacked experience today. Infact there were too much old timers in the team . Where are the youths SAF was so happy to have ? Loaned out or on the subs bench. We cannot play with all the old timers in one team. we need a very good midfielder. With all due respect O`Shea is not the one we need. Where was Chicarito ? we needed his goals today to kill everton . SAF gave them the initiative with the team he fielded. Very poor Defending except Vidic.
Gibson should be in after berba’s goal just to secure the center ,,well done legends giggsy scholes full 90 minutes 8 points in 4 games ,last season 9 points in 4 games ,,rent boys will face city then arsenal then villa , dropping some points will be good enough
all the best on tuesday night
Tim Howards post game interview, classy guy. Always liked him. Better than PIG IMO. But water under the bridge there. Hard to keep the number 2 keeper happy. Happy for him really and glad that he didn’t go to a real competitor. Imagine Arsenal, that would be a problem, eh?!
Just watched the goals again. All class. Evertons as well. But the last 2 from Cahill and Arteta should never have happened. Still, now we will be up for Rangers. Don’t give them a chance now. Expect a cracking game thought. Come on UNITED!
And in case of being pessimistic and stupid, I’m not. Just had to vent my anger and express my disappointment as my face was like this>
10 minutes before the end and then this> 
I’d never give up on United (unless we were like West Ham) and this result doesn’t mean we won’t win the league. I have to add that I luved to hear nearly all the chants from the fans who were cheering United up there. Class
Scott,
The final 3 mins…Create another writeup cos this and the fulham ‘death-goals’ are gonna cost us the season for sure!!
@united.george
Agreed about Berba mate. And this has been the hardest part this season. You can’t enjoy the fact that he is starting to perform on a consistent level because of what’s going in other areas. He has already scored one third of the goals he got last season.
And did someone notice the fixture list?
We’re 4 pts behind the top with only 4 games in the season, and we have bloody LIVERPOOL next week. So if the worst happens, we’ll be 7 pts behind already.
WTF is going on??????? Waiting for an honest post from Scott. Scott pls no encouraging posts, i want the true picture.
@FletchTHEMAN
It is puzzling to see what’s going with the right back berth from time to time. Right now, I would argue that Brown and Rafa are our 2 best right backs. One of them is always on the bench and the other hasn’t even made it there.
That massive team from Manchester are only losing 1 0 to Blackburn, he could be worse lads.
@willierednut
Can’t even enjoy that. Ugh.
No surprise about the Chelsea result. This is Avram Grant we are talking about….
Moscow Delight – Do you not think we can beat the dippers at OT? come on now, lets not get too down, wazza will be back to shoot down the scum.
I am worried about how this may affect us in the long term. Last season, when we made mistakes, we didn’t fucking learn from them, we replicated them. When Chelsea dropped points, we followed suit. Too many times last season, when the opposition team took the lead, we cracked under pressure. It happened constantly, against Burnley beginning of the season, Aston Villa before Christmas, Leeds in January etc. We panic, we look clueless, we suddenly forget to keep possesion, forget how to pass the ball – it happened when Everton scored their second. The point here is, we do not learn from mistakes, we are not improving in that sense, the manner in which we lost today could be repeated this season. This season, our defenders experience brain farts 2 games in a row and transform into fucking amateurs in the dying minutes. After the Fulham game Vidic said that lessons have to be learnt, clearly nothing was learnt. This mentality must change. We must give our all until the final whistle and not get complacent. I hope something is done about it.
@willierednut
after what happened today anything is possible. We’re United, we’re supposed to beat teams in stoppage not let other teams get back. I am only thinking what if the worst happens. With Champions League this week, and today’s dismal performance, the lads wont be in the best of spirits.
You can nitpick all you want…midfield weak, not clinical enough, negative substitutions etc etc etc..blah blah blah.
Fact for me is….we lost 2 headers and couldnt deal with 2 crosses….and both times the most dangerous headerer off the ball was unmarked / or not dealt with.
Defence has to be sorted, cos it was fulham de ja vu all over again and clearly the summers activity has had an effect on out mr reliable paddy.
Arsenal and Shity score. Not that there was much doubt
it really is shocking
oshea in midfield with gibson on the bench??? what a morale booster for young gibbo… what happened to giving our kids a chance? fuk off with the “game was too big for them” HOW ELSE ARE THEY GOING TO LEARN TO PLAY IN BIG GAMES IF THEY DONT EXPERIENCE IT
ffs rafael has played in the champions league, premier league, carling cup, even picked for brazil now and he doesnt get a game for us?? fuking joke that is
and that most dangerous guy in the air in the premiership is cahill…he should have been tagged
I don’t get Gibson being left on the bench for a defender, that ones passed me by.
fantastic goal by berba but spoilt by the fact we dozed off just at the end of the match and let two goal slip, nevertheless, more of that please berbatov, keep banging goals in and be more clinical, beautiful control and touches with no end product is pointless (just like we were today).
cant believe we drew that game left the pub 4mns before the end thinking the game was won. i cant even express how gutted i am the rest of my day fucked. this season its 3rd or 4th
suhayl – It’s hard to keep Cahill on a leesh for 90 minutes, the guys brillant in the air.
i am feeling like someone has knocked out the stuffing out of me. just the way it happened was so disgusting.
but this was building on us from pre-season. we did not have a single cleansheet in preseason and at that time i was thinking this type of defending will cost us. anyways here are my observations.
1. a tv analyst said a couple of weeks ago that vidic is not performing at the same level as the previous seasons. he has become a lazy defender. for me the culprit for the last 2 goals was vidic. he has the better jumping and heading powers and he has to be marking cahill because i saw evans marking yakubu.
2. neville, scholes and evra were exhausted. for the last 20 mins the closing down outside the box was becoming less and less. it was there lack of closing down that gave everton the opportunity to cross and shoot. i could clearly see scholes struggling. why was scholes not subbed is beyond me.
3. we have become a team who was feared to a team who teams fancy to beat (ala arsenal). i dont know if its the coaching that is at fault or the players themselves but something needs to be changed.
We have done our shopping for the future, some at a premium cost. but what to do if we want to change something now?
Willi
liverpool have been poor but they always play well against us. Wont be surprised if we see a completely different liverpool,especially torres
Vidic isnt too bad in the air.should have marked cahill
i’m not going to add more negativity to an already subzero situation here.
On a positive note. if evrything went as it went last season, it means we just gained 2 extra points.
We lost to both fulham and everton last season
And I can’t see us losing twice to the rent boys this season.
So we’ll still fare better than we did last season.
Having said that, it still feel miserable inside out. Argghh!!
I fucking knew the minute everTON pulled another goal back that there was a chance we might crumble, most frustrating thing was the fact we conceded on successive occasions within 3 FUCKING mins, i still can’t believe it really fucked my day up, we should have had a man on cahill, he is an average all round player but moyes has clearly moulded him into a bull terrier in the air!!!
if’s and fucking but’s, we really need to improve our away form and defence drastically, rangers might play in the S.P.L but they’re no mugs despite what some might think.
@mig78
Yep, we have 2 extra points compared to the same fixtures last season. Problem is that Chelsea have 5 extra points…
I think we are all just frustrated here,,,, after having to wait for 2 bloody weeks then this…I am hoping that we are not going to be pessimistic for long, that we still have faith in our boys..having said that, it would make me tons better if I could punch someone’s nose…
(Please don’t ban me for saying that).
We beat city with 2 stoppage time goals last season. Depressing thought but who is to say the reverse wont happen this time?
Someone mentioned the Liverpool game. It’s not just that. After Liverpool, we travel to Bolton and Sunderland. And in the middle of that there’s a trip to Spain. All within 6 days…
It’s pointless worrying about Chelsea, we can’t affect what they do, but we’re sort of making it easy for them atm, dropping silly points.
Westham always lay down and get spanked by chelsea and there was no way they’d at least put up a fight when that calamity of a keeper rob greean and joke of a defender upson is behind there, chelsea just strolling to an obvious win at upton park..
Chin up and we need to soldier on as always, give players the support and backing and hopefully the performances improve after some hair dryer treatment.
Sat here at work, so annoyed and frustrated!
Costas
stop.you are making it even worse mentioning those fixtures
SAF says Rio and Wayne will be involved against Rangers, bit of good news any way.
@Doghouse and utdforever
After cooling down now….i agree with what you guys said….about chelsea not having to play any tough games yet…i was just talking about this a few days ago to our fellow man utd fans…but i just hope the momentum that the rentboys get from their easy games won’t give them extra confidence when faced with tough games…you know what i mean…
I am still feeling gutted..
this season its definatly 3rd or 4th
@AIG
It just empasises how stupid today’s result was. It means that we have to win all of them now. We won them last season, of course…
This first half of the season could unfold like the first half of the 02-03 season did. The champions starting the season on fire and us struggling to keep up. That season, it was 2 wins in 2 big December games that gave us belief. We have 2 big games this December too…
Well we are all gutted after all. Hope that SAF noticed what we are saying today. It has always been the case that we need to beef up our midfield and get some fresh legs. we cannot keep relying on 35 year olds forever. We need to change something now before it is too late. At least if we lose points like today with the youth players ,we know that this is part of their learning curve. Lets be positive ,last year we lost against Fulham and Everton away. This season we got two points. Citeh and the rent boys have to meet tough opposition as well.
Chelsea finally concede in the league.
Time to rejoice.
I don’t even care about Chelsea…
Jesus fucking Christ, what the fuck happened in last minutes of the game, fuck, absoulutly fucked up, drink up till this nightmare ends.
Hearing cleverley scored
Chelsea will defo have a sticky patch. I think we lit up the path to the title for them last season.
The question is whether we will have shot ourselves in the foot so much that we can’t take them. Shit like today doesn’t help but I’m pretty cool with CFC taking all the plaudits and getting nice and cocky. That always helps motivation.
Lets get passed the dippers before we worry about Bolton and Sunderland. Carrick, Rio and Wayne will be back by then, City drew 1 1 lol.
@AIG
Really? Sky sports doesn’t list him as the goalscorer. It says Alcaraz scored.
Someone reported it wrongly on twitter.alcaraz scored,not cleverley.sorry
@Costas
Honestly, in my humble opinion, i don’t think it’s fair to compare the 02/03 season and the current season coz at that time we only had one real contender for the title which was arsenal…even then maybe 1 or 2 teams could actually challenge for the tilte….but now it’s different…we have at least six teams who are in with a shout of challenging the title..and making mistakes like today will cost us even if making 1 or 2 of them. Before, we could actually make more mistakes and still end up being champions….
What i am trying to say is that, although two games we drew, which we should have won, can actually be costly in this current season then compared to those seasons in early 2000′s.
just my 2 cents worth…
I like Big Sam..happy they got one point…oh yes, someone missed a couple of easy chances, not that I care m uch..anyone saw some of those unbelievable Blackburn defending? we could have used some of that today..
@Costas
i hope we win them. We are pushing ourselves in a position where we will have no room for error and even winning all games may not be enough
@Red Typhoon
Yeah I agree that the circumstances were different. It was actually Arsenal and Liverpool that were ahead of us for most of the fall. At one point we were 6 and 7 points behind them. What I meant was that I see something similar happening this season with us barely hanging on until we capitalise when the othes go through their rough patch.
The league has changed a lot. I remember us drawing our first 2 away games in at least 4 of the seasons we ended up winning the title. The margin for mistakes is not the same though.
@RedGem
Well Blackburn had a sense of urgency about them. They knew they were in a fight. Unfortunately, our lads fell asleep today and at Fulham.
this season its definatly 3rd or 4th. The management been loosing it for the last couple years and this is worst, who are they really kiding when they say we played terrific football
Ah well the massive club held 1-1 at home, at least that’s cheered me up one very tiny bit. Still very unhappy though
Sir Alex said the current crop of youngsters will be my lasting legacy.why arent they getting a chance then?. No one involved today
@sean. Why did you repeat yourself? Why will it be third or fourth? Because we dropped 4 points in 2 games where we dropped 6 last season? Fulham and Everton were always going to be questionable away games. Against Fulham the penalty miss is the real killer… and today United just got a taste of what we do to so many teams every year… Everton capitalized on United sitting back and got pretty lucky for their injury time goals. We see results like this every single season, this is nothing new. That’s just football.
Diouf looked good for Blackburn today. Too bad the other Diouf wasted so many chances to get him the ball.
Anyway, Blackburn 1 “England” 1…
I have to say, weeks like this one must take a lot out of SAF, first the rooney saga, then today’s defensive lapse…again. Try and stay calm Fergie, remember your age.
@AIG
Don’t know mate. The only players out there that weren’t over 30 or close to that were Fletch, Evans and Nani.
@Costas…I admire them even more coz they were playing against a supposedly “big” team..gotta say the first B’burn goal was a result of comical defending…sadly, which was what we had today..
But, I still love United…and hoping we win big on Tuesday!
Settle down boys. We are still in with a shout at a Champions league birth
Some on here seem concerned. Yeah OK, from todays games Blackpool are looking to overtake us for 3rd spot! All this shows is that it is early days, we have a slow start, but it is early days.
We need to get Rio going and keep him fit. We need to sort out the RB. We are very thin at the back so we have 1 option, we have to score more goals. As pointed out above the engine room ran out of steam today, and the ball didn’t stay under effective control. Alex has got to use his subs more judiciously or we will be handed our heads. 5-1? That’s all should have/could have. No need for excuses. We just have to look honestly at the sorry defense today, and hope the boss has ideas for keeping them less busy at the back. Positives, The ball will go into the net if we keep it up the park.
chelsea playing their young striker kakuta as a sub and that too away from home. i think we should be giving our young guns more chances too.
@Costas
Cheers mate…..exactly.
I really do hope fergie tears into them and they got to throw that sort of attitude out the window…the attitude of relaxing and taking things easy when they are in the lead…..honestly, that is just bad attitude…we need to get the goals and drill fear into the other teams in england and in europe…we very rarely nowadays get to plunder 6 or 7 goals in at least 2-3 games a season…gone were the days when we used to thrash teams by 8 or 9 goals (Ipswich and Nott. Forest) remember anyone?? We haven’t done that in a long long time…we have had so many opportunities to actually do that..but because of our over relaxed attitude when in the lead has actually caused us to throw away attacking opportunities and actually let in goals against us….one good example if from todays game….
One other thing today was that it looks like Nemanja is our club captain now. I didn’t expect it to be honest, since I always had the impression that Neville and Giggs will always have the armband when they are starting. The only question I guess is if he will keep it when Rio returns.
@RedGem
And you said that someone missed some good opportunities, I wonder who that was. Is he better than our current number 9?
aig @ 16:57: “We are pushing ourselves in a position where we will have no room for error and even winning all games may not be enough”
Sir, you demean yourself. I am usually in agreement with your messages but this one is just plain irrational.
There are 108 points in an EPL season; dropping four isn’t life-or-death. Of course, it’s not good but that’s another story.
The EPL winner this season will probably amass 85-90 points – which is the way it usually plays out – then UTD have another 15-19 points to squander.
So, let’s not get ahead of ourselves with all the hand wringing and end-of-the-world pessimism. You know – and I know (and so does everyone else who takes part in this conversation) – that the EPL season is a marathon, not a sprint and the leader @ Xmas is not necessarily the winner on the final day.
what the fuck
arent we supposed to be the ones that do that to opposing teams in the dying minutes, not the other fucking way around.
credit to everton they battled hard throughout and played to the final whistle we didnt. if they play like that against our other main rivals they this won’t look so bad in the long run. but then i said this after the the fulham game the other week.
that aside we played well and dominated apart from the first 10 mins, berba was ace again, and cant blame the guys playing up front.
still i’m mystified as to what the hell happened, and why it happened again, would have thought they would learnt a lesson at fulham, not to be obviously.
and if they think that this season will be like the last with the top teams losing 5/6 games then they have got a shock coming to them. last season was a one off.
time to book up there ideas and start concentrating to the final whistle, we look like fuckin jokes at the minute, throwing away hard earned points in the last minutes. again what fulham and everton did to us is what we do to other teams, its part of the ethos and culture of our team supposedly.
i dont doubt our quality or ability but that is school boy shit, and bullshit school boy errors.
not happy, not fuckin happy at all
Willie mate…yes he is an absolute handful, but that also means our team should have been prepared and known how dangerous the fucker is. It wasnt a surprise or a shock and somebody we didnt know off.
Once ok..twice in 90 seconds he got headers in, thats not acceptable.
Anyway what has happened has happened. Just hoping it does not keep re-occurring, Cos points being dropped like this will cost us in the end bigtime…as fergie in his anger post match alluded to.
@ dela u said it yoursel we do that to teams we are united we dont get done like that maybe once but not twice
We should have full points out of our games so far! Wasteful, very wasteful!
sean – Come on mate, keep your head up, we could have easily lost against Fulham and Everton, like last season. There’s a serious question here about SAF dropping Rooney, was it SAF choice, or did Wayne tell the boss he wasn’t ready? I can’t accept SAF bottled it, i think Wayne has told the boss his head wasn’t right.
Post match interview from SAF. Berba MOM, Rio and Roo in it for Rangers. Agree with all that.
@denton davey
agree its a long race but we will drop points. There are many more tricky games ahead. The problem is we are dropping points from winning positions. Could hurt us. If we cant hold on to leads against fulham and everton it can happen against the top 4 away and city,villa which wont be easy either.
Maybe that wasnt the best thing to say but after seeing that i t will take some time to recover
I have rarely heard of Rooney saying he wasn’t ready to play though. But I don’t think it matters that much, we did not miss him today, we looked dangerous going forward and imo this was Berbatov’s best game playing as the lone man upfront for Utd.
People will blame Berbatov and Nani for wasting scoring opportunities but if we can’t hold onto a two-goal lead with three minutes to play then the defence has to take a good, hard look at themselves.
Ok it’s over
I love my club
Next:
Stop worrying about Chelsea. I certainly hope the Chelsea fans are not too proud about their 100 % record. Look at their first four opponents. 2 newly promoted teams(Blackpool & WBA), another 2 finished 16th (Wigan) and 17th(West Ham) last season.
I know we should have been a lot sharper in finishing games. We should’ve kill it off against Fulham with that penalty from Nani, and like just now, we should’ve defended the final minutes of the match with more concentration and focus.
We lost those two games on the previous season. We drew this time around. I dont know to take it as two points gained or 4 points dropped knowing that we could have done better this season. It’s the way we let the opponents get back in that upsets us the most. I just thought we gave it away. I’m pissed, all of us are.
All right fellas. I downloaded the Koran last night. If you want I’ll burn you all a copy.
Terry…..quran gags….lay off will ya..not funny
That’s the first time United have lost a 2 goal lead in 10 years, anyone know what that particular game was?
@willierednut
At Chartlon. It ended 3-3 as well.
Costas – Yes, who got the goals for us?
Blooming hell, Barca 2 down at home!!
@willie
Giggs, Solskjaer and Keane. The Solskjaer one was where Giggs hit a volley from the half way line, it came back off the bar and Ole tapped it in.
Guys can you tell me how our loan players performed today i.e cleverley,diouf and welbeck
respect other religion please, thank you
in other news barca are down to hercules at home!!!
@Schmucks
Amen to that. I’ve heard plenty of stupidity today due to the anniversary.
(Not a muslim by the way.)
Costas – Your gold badge is in the post lol.
herculean effort by hercules……the blackpool of la liga…10 in 10 out……got some seasoned pros in there team and doing a grand job
Exasperating,thing is they were busy tackling and pressing right along the back almost all the game.So was it just slackness or arrogance ? The games won,really not good enough.
and c’mon nads and feds in the semis……let the showdown begin..this time on the hard court
Not that this is the reason, but Barca started with Mascherano instead of Xavi. Weird.
@willierednut
The one about Solskjaer? Can’t help myself.
didn’t watch the game today so cant criticise, but i have to admit i’m disappointed. Couple of points.
1. People with the opinion that a draw isn’t the end of the world : No it isn’t but its damn near unforgivable. That is what we do to other teams and conceding two goals in the last two minutes is just not up to standard.
2. Its only the fourth game of the season, no worries. Big worrie i’m afraid, its only the fourth game and we’re dropping points like this. This result will only embolden other teams, cos they’ll feel that they can get a goal against us, first Fulham now Everton.
3. Gary Neville : Not a flashy kind of player but over the years has truly represented this club, BUT surely he can’t be starting games. You’re only as strong as your weakest link.
The back four should be torn into, they need to get their act together, we all know our midfield has a bit of work to do and credit to the lads they are trying to compensate for that, but the defense needs to wake up. Evra seems to have his head in the clouds somewhere, i think this France thing is getting to him, why i have no idea. Seems to take playing for les blue very strongly. Nevertheless he should still get his mind right.
Evans ? well i’m not putting all the blame on him, reading from the post earlier. but he also needs to wake up and smell the coffee. The he’s only 22 argument doesn’t cut it, cos when he started out he was a whole less error prone, the fact is he slackened off a bit, which is disappointing. Glad there’s a game coming up midweek so we can kickstart the season because as far as i’m concerned we haven’t started yet
@fletchtheman…BErba is OFFICIALLY MOM? if so, great!
Hercules- aren’t they new to the league, they wren’t there last year..
Moyes had some nerve to complain about the referee. Didn’t they waste that final chance? He better have a word with his players about how they are throwing their arms around.
Jonny evans made a couple of decent blocks today but he was bullied throughout…
Not sure if he is the real deal just yet.. Get rio back…
What ye think lads?
funny thing gootball Herules 2 goals ahead of barcleona at the Nou Camp. Puts things in perspective really. Bring on Rangers on tuesday then
Hercules are doing the birthplace of Hercules very proud.
@Keanesmagichat
In my opinion, Evans has carried more baggage than a defender at his age should have. It’s hard to find a defender anywhere in the world that didn’t make mistakes at his age. And in a physical league like the Premiership, this becomes even more appararent. Plus, it hasn’t helped that Vidic hasn’t been able to guide him through these games.
Rio was the same as Jonny Evans, error strewn, he’ll learn from his mistakes, or he’ll get left out, simple as that really. At least wee Fergie is doing the business lol.
Willrednut
Wee fergie?
Costas..
I don’t know about that mate, he has. A good 3 and a bit seasons as a first team member at Sunderland and then united… He should be doing better mate.. His lack of pace and physical presence is a worry..
I’ve never felt ashamed of United before, not even after Burnley. But today is a new low. I can’t begin to explain it, I don’t think anyone can. We’re a team with a, well earned, reputation for scoring goals in the last minutes of games or, conversely, grinding out results. Today we did neither. United fans are the best in the world, they’d never boo their own team, or let them know they aren’t fit to wear the shirt. But maybe they should have today. Defensively, we were shite. The entire fucking match the defence (barring Nemanja) was fucking diabolical. It was, to put it simply, a disgrace. I wasn’t hopeful of this season to begin with. After Chelsea’s two opening wins I knew it would take a great effort to overcome them this season, but it looks like the players just can’t be bothered. John O’shea was, once again, abysmal. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, when ever he’s on the pitch we might as well be playing a man down – because he’s such a fucking liability it’s unbelievable. I remember when he used to be a trustyworthy defender, someone who looked like they really could grow into one of the best in the world, he even fucking nutmegged Figo. Now look at him. A waste of a fucking shirt. Stoke wouldn’t even buy him.
This result is just an embarrasement. I’m sure some will disagree, but that’s just how I feel.
What shocking defending all throughout the game!! Another away game we have thrown away.. I hope it doesnt come back to bite us in the arse!! Jonny Evans cant fend off players that have upper body strength. John Oshea had a shocker, Nani was running behind faster than him and he was meant to be our defensive midfielder. Nani and berbatov were outstanding. We need to be putting these games to bed or our season might well be over very soon!!
@suhayl Agree mate. Everones politics and religion should be off the table. So easy to offend, even if none is meant. Brotherhood of United. Makes us strong.
Has everybody forgotten that we conceded those two goals when John O’Shea was off the pitch, after being overpowered by their midfielders-cum-strikers? That seems to be the whole reason O’Shea was brought in and he did a good job of keeping them at bay in my opinion, as evidenced by the fact that we fucking fell apart when he went off.
Off topic, but both our lads at Preston have been forced off due to injuries.
@Keanesmagichat
I know. Rio also had plenty of experience by the time he was 23, but he didn’t reach his peak until he was 27-28. Not saying that Evans now is as good as Rio was then. I think it’s something that will come with age and maturity. That should help him become more commanding on the ground and on the air. As for his pace, that will always be an issue I am afraid.
Keanesmagichat – His sons team, Preston winning 3 1 away to Burnley.
barcelona lost 2-0 at home to newly promoted hercules
The Everton fans on talksport, complaining about the ref, what a bunch of whining cunts.
Willie
That’s good to hear, did you Joshua king play?
Costas
I just do not have any confidence in him against mobile aggressive players…
On another note, why didn’t Rafael play today? To be fair nev shouldn’t be a starter anymore. More worryingly what about evras form? He was poor against fulham and worse today..
If all supporters from other clubs start hurling horrendous abuse at Wazza every match, just for example
to the same scale as the Everton fans, does that mean Fergie would stop playing him totally…after all, we wouldn’t want to subject him to any abuse….just wondering….
Also agree that Gibson should have played instead of O’Shea.
Plus points were Berbatov, Scholes and Nani….
Oh come on guys,lighten up..Heard what happened to barcelona?
Keanesmagichat – Yeah, he did, but i think he went off injured, don’t know how serious it is.
@Keanesmagichat
Honestly, I’ve given up trying to understand what goes on at our right back berth. It’s the position where we aguably have the most solutions, yet (in my humble opinion) our best 2 choices(Rafa and Brown) haven’t started a single game. Brown doesn’t even make the bench nowdays…
What a great comeback from Burnely, it has ended 4-3.
Not a good day for both Fergies today, both of their teams bottled it..
The day of comebacks.
Hercules, the Kerkyra of La Liga….
@costas – what was up with AEK losing to Kerkyra a couple of weeks ago?
Watching ronaldo and real now…..trying to forget what happened earlier to us:(
Okay
Four matches in 4 points behind 34 matches left
Let’s at least be better off by the time the 10th round of matches comes up
For United
Barcelona lost? Damn crazy results today. This means Real could go top if they win.
mostafa rooney
another crazy result 1-1 spurs west brom..
Personally, I’m not looking to Rio to be the answer to our defensive solidity problem. I love his ability to calmly pass it out of defence and win headers, but it’s that back injury of his…remember Torres at analfield. It seems to affect his acceleration and he gets uncharacteristically beaten for pace and strength. If that injury is a thing of the past, then all’s good, but I’m not going to join in the anti-Evans brigade after his early season bad form. Everyone hits bad patches – even Fletch hasn’t been dominating lately -Scott called that one (just before Fletch scored actually). I just look to our players to get over bad form quickly.
Credit to Everton, desperate and absolutely crying out for a result after their start to the season. Lets not forget many have tipped them to do well this season. Before their shite start I had them to finish top 6 (above City and Liverpool). If they continue to show today’s spirit, they’ll be up there, because they have the players and they looked fit (sadly unlike some of our players who failed to track back at the end for the last goal). Anyway, enough about Merseyside.
We’re going for the title and Chelsea just don’t look right to me; Dogbreath arguing with the Manager and appearing to be the epitome of lazyness, Anelka looking even more miserable than usual on the bench. Arsenal, as someone pointed out could be dangerous with Everton’s GK, but they’d be even more of a problem if they had Van Der Sar. But they don’t. We do. United for the title. I’m off to watch the Community Shield.
Got the taste of our own medicine today.
But no problem we traditionally don’t start well. I am still positive.
@AIG – Haha you haven’t changed a bit mate. Negative as usual. Think you went on US tour. How was it?
@The Real AB
Dont think i am the only one who feels that way today. It was shocking. I was very positive ahead of the game and thought we would edge it. never thought we would throw it away this way. Still confident we will be in the hunt come the end of the season but it will take some time to get over what happened today
Thanks for asking about the USA tour. It was fun. Had great time
gutted gutted gutted… i was at da Utd cafe in Mumbai watching da match/ there was one everton fan wearing blue. n we gave him hell tho he was quite sporty honestly. i was barely messaging my bro telling him “why do we always make it difficulf for ourselves in the end”, and by da time i was done typng my msg, they had equalised. just want next week to come soon and us to beat bloody pool for life to look up..
said it before but absolutely gutted gutted
and i know chelski has had easy opponents but they seem to be coasting.. makes it all da more painful
@AIG
I am not saying that only you felt that way. Even I have felt really bad after our last two games. Just not fun losing points in the extra time. It’s hurts like hell.
I just went through the posts in the live text topic and you said something like “forget about the title, just finish in the top 4″ I said in reference to that.
For me it’s just the start of the season, not the best but we have had worse and still won the title so I am still positive about it.
@The Real AB
If we continue throwing points points away like that it will be difficult to win the league. have calmed down now though. Rio back and i am sure we will improve. Evans is struggling for some reason. Same with Evra. last few seasons when we started slowly we struggled for goals. This season its the opposite. We are scoring goals and looking good up front. Its the other end of the pitch where we are struggling which is uncharacteristic of us
@AIG
True about the defense mate. Evans haven’t progressed at all it seems.. Infact he has lost some confidence. Why is that so is beyond me..
Evra have made a few errors and that might be because of what happened with france. May be he hasn’t got that out of his mind completely and that is costing us.
A win is needed against Liverpool IMO. It’ll give us the boost we need.
Just a bit curious about out youngsters? Why are we not seeing them? I expected to see a lot more of Rafael and Gibson in particular. But was O’shea playing in the midfield today ahead of Gibson?? If I was in Gibson’s place, I won’t be getting too much confidence seeing that!!
in other news milan complete it zlatan 2-0 down to newly promoted cesena
For those who say chelsea have not played anyone from top half we fucking have not either .This is what happens when you do not buy top players we still have not replaced the best player in world all we have done is buy fucking shite and fuck about with people evans gibson and fucking oshea where are the young players everybody goes on about we are relying on a 40_35_36 year olds sooner or later the penny wil drop that serious money needs spending on the team. wankers running the club.
Wankers running the club is spot on.
Lets not slag off the players though that are currently trying to give there best for United.
Its at this time they need “Our support”
Like everyone else is saying, these are 2 games in which we gave up “free” points. We had commanding or the chance for commanding leads which just slipped away like we were a newly promoted team.
Wankers running the club is spot on.
Lets not slag off the players though that are currently trying to give there best for United.
Its at this time they need “Our support”
Fuckin Laughable, fuck all to do with anyone running the club, they bottled it plain and simple. The more i read this blog the more dicks who know fuck all about football comment.
reddevil1878 says:
shite like this is y we didnt win the league last season…
spot on mate!!!!!
@Mannyutd are you calling me a dick, behind the safety of a computer screen, hay you got big balls eh.
read my previous posts on here Big Man, I eat little boys like you for Breakfast face to face, now fuck off.
We are Manchester United. We do things the hard way. We disapprove critics & create history. I accept today’s result is nnt the best but i know wmd will overcome & rise again. We have to believe in the manager & hope the players will stop denting the pride of the fans. It’s still early on & as the season progresses, other teams will face the same challenges we’ve encountered. United will rise again. WHAT DOES NOT KILL YOU WILL ONLY MAKE YOU STRONGER. GGMU***MUFC***CHAMP19NS 2010/2011***
@united.george
AEK are like Liverpool mate. They have fallen from grace. The only difference is that AEK last won the league title 16 years ago, while Liverpool won it 20 years ago. The club doesn’t have funds and its roster is not good enough to challenge for honours. It’s a sad state for a club I follow when I can.
What the fuck as the result got to do with people running the club? And as for hiding behind a computer im at every home and away game, and from gorse hill you little gobshite, ill love to see u eat any of us salford boys any day, any match in the trafford.
Watched it live and could not believe the last few mimutes – forced my self to watch the replay which has just finished.
We should have won by at least 4 but finishing was ptifully sad from a few players normally expected to bury similar chances.
Defending we looked a bit dodgy on more than a few occasions but as mentioned above from set pieces we looked like a bunch of over 50′s.
Overall concentration was at best fair – we hopefully will not repeat the last two away games going forward. If we do it might be a tough season.
Can’t see what the Glazers had to do with us conceding two poor goals in stoppage time but please ……don’t bother trying to explain.
Berba was great again to day. Not just because he’s now scored 4 in the last 5 but his postional play, touch, awareness …. pure class.
It’s not how you start but how you finish. This will make us stronger. As long as we’re anywhere within 6 points with 10 to play we’ll have the character to win it in “squeeky bum” time.
Can’t wait to see Rooney run out on Tuesday night and to hear the support he’s going to get. Two good wins against Rangers and the dippers will put this nicely behind us.
Do you seriously think I care if you come from Gorse Hill/ Salford i couldna give a fuck.
Dont come on the Blog and dont understand peoples stance on the Green and Gold issue.
For you interest yes I am a gobshite but a 6foot 4 inches tall gobshite. As is said I EAT little fuckers like you every night.
Do yourself a favour read the plight your club is in financially.
If you can fucking read?
after watchin that… imagine what torres will do
oshea is shite.. he pushed cahill and he stil fucking scored.. why nt fucking go for the ball instead of pushing the twat… oshea gets on my tits.. when are we going to start playing our “excellent youngsters” come on fergie… start playing them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i am well aware of plight of our club. what has that got to do with tdays result? 6ft 4 u will get wiped out mate dnt even go there, like i said trafford every game mate.
Anyway……roll on Tuesday
@pritch cheers for that Mate you set up the Bullets I take the Flak. lol
Well ive calmed down now but its got to be said its not as bad as alot of morons have come out with today. No one player is to blame today, there were a few little errors from every player today and we took the lead as a team and we lost 2 points as a team. It was better than last year so there has to be something in that. VDS was excellent but was unlucky on rebounds. Gary Neville cut out angles for the cross like a genious but showed signs of rustyness. Vidic was fucking supperb and Evans had more energy today than Ive ever seen him play, he flung himself to bloke shots on no less than 4 occassions. Evra was up field alot and got caught and O’shea for the most part covered across and defended well. But he did give the ball easily away at times, it did feel that Evra O’shea and Giggs control was a bit soggy like the ball wasn’t running crisply for them, thats football or a piss drenched pitch. Fletcher was ok and Scholes was class again. Nani infuriorated me when he went down with a nose bleed, that was fucking gay (fullstop). Berbatov is starting to show real class. Overall we were more than competent to take the points but we threw it away again like we did against Fulham. I doubt there’ll be a third time in so many weeks.
On another note, Rooney must be feeling like a right cunt. IM not going to attack his actions with a whore especially as i am liberal in nature and believe prostitution should be legalised but 2 things have to be taken into account. And by this im not saying that if he played we wouldnt have lost. and yes we did lose, we lost 2 points. 1.Sir Alex didn’t want Rooney to play because of the abuse he could/would have received, SO his actions of the pitch HAVE affected the actions on the pitch. 2. His actions caused a team selection that may have led to us losing points.
I love rooney as much as the next man, but if he wants to be a Beckham or Van Nistelrooy then he shouldn’t be surprised if hes wearing a different shirt next year. I certainly don’t hope that is the case but the result today will most deffinately sit in the mind of the great man and hes passed judgement on players for far lesser crimes.
In all, we played a fantastic game, absorbing pressure and put them to the sword but didn’t we look the cunts in the last two minutes. They must have wonderful warm baths at Goodison because 11 players out there were thinking of them and not the final minutes. Heads up lads, its a kick in the teeth but lets let Rangers have it.
P.S the away support today was fucking superb, a big one in your direction cheers lads.
TRY Not to be a knob heid eh. you write like one. The glazer have spent net on players since there arrival aprox 2.0 million pounds per season. A club of Manchester uniteds standing! ?
@ The Goat Brilliant post Mate, superb. Lay off Nani, he is allowed to be Gay! lol
Goodnite Reds
The away support was fantastic agreed.
Cmon you reds BELIEVE
Fuck me, this is like Rocky vs Drago, you can do Rock, he ain’t no machine!!
Rocky Rocky Rocky : )
What about Cliffhanger – today was one lol
: )
Hows about they were all like Rambo until 91 minute when they became
The Expendables
: )
I never knew Sylvester Stallone would be have any connections with United today : )
let me guess, MG goat fucking Ske Gold on, you ol’softy. Fucking Sly Stallone, give me dolph lundgren any day ducky. lol
sorry, typing one handed. MG has got Skye gold on.
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/444393056?-11193
Phelan said Rooney wasn’t ready to play, did he bottle it?
He wasn’t ready to deal with the abuse.
willierednut, it sums up to the same thing i reckon. Fergie said it the diplomatic way and Phelan told the truth. Probably a good justification why one is the manager and the other klearning his trade.
But again, a persons personal life shouldn’t impede on their job, football or anywhere else. Its a shame because i remember Sir Alex praising Rooney and the influence Coleen and having a kid has had on him. Gut wrenching and i hope we can all come through this with Rooney back to last seasons form and within touching distance of no19.
Thank fuck I was hung over watching that game didn’t hurt as much as it should. Absolutely shocking. Need to get our act together, we often speak about games where we don’t deserve to win and snatch 3 points and say thats the mark of champions. Well todays result added with what happened against Fulham is the opposite end of the spectrum and that is exactly how titles can be lost. Need to get our act together the only solace I will take is its only September.
Notorious, hung over watching the match, christ mate tough breakfast??
I’ve just heard that the bird is indeed the word, @ NRD Don’t worry mate about your hangover, that’s how i felt when Everton scored their third.
Doesn’t make much difference. We didn’t need him. Just as we started showing that we can cope without him, we forget to do the very basic things at the other end.
It wouldn’t be like United for everything to fall into place in September would it?
It also helps to stop the fucking crosses coming in, slack defending all round.
It might also help for us to start praying everytime a high ball goes into our area or when the opposition counter attacks and Evra is standing in their way.
These players surely haven’t forgotten how to defend.
The fixation over Chelsea’s results shouldn’t worry anyone, sooner or later, they’ll come a cropper, but when they do, we’ve got to take advantage.
It’s the defense fault really. No complain about that. Poor defending.. Shocking.
Nani didnt have a nosebleed, he got a smack in the mouth and needed stitches.
Redscot, glad im on you good side these days mate but its entertaining for us neutrals on the outside
well I am back from spain today and I am more pissed off than the fulham game. Uited should be on 12 pts not 8 no matter if united played well or not. I thought united with more depth upfront would see fresh faces picked and with vidic signing his new contract our defence would be tougher we woulod see a ruthless united and we got that from the chelsea game in august. I am concerned rooney will be used spearingly away from home. But the one area which is ravaging uniteds season away from home is? midfield. I said this the real test is away from home but goals are not the problem its 3 things?
-our lack of finishing our dinner off
- when the chances come at 2 or 3 – 1 we miss and we let teams in
- and the biggest crime of a united team is? inabillity to keep the ball. when united have taken a 3 – 1 lead away from home united keep the ball by getting the opposition to run like headless chickens after the ball, and tire them out and we would ge another. United against fulham and everton, united have failed to do this and we look like england with the ball sit back. United have failed to win at goodison and craven cottage for the third season in a row and thats not good enough.
yjr title race is not over yet, but the lack of ruthless streak keeping the ball, and the defence no longer the vault it was to keep clean sheets.
Goat @ 21:52: “if he [WayneRooney] wants to be a Beckham or Van Nistelrooy then he shouldn’t be surprised if hes wearing a different shirt next year. I certainly don’t hope that is the case but the result today will most deffinately sit in the mind of the great man and hes passed judgement on players for far lesser crimes.”
Last week that was unimaginable but you’re right – his off-field shenanigans ARE having an impact on his on-field contribution to the club which pays his huge wages. Extremely unprofessional. And, it’s not like he doesn’t have “form”. No player is bigger than the club – no player. We’ve seen it before and if WayneRooney doesn’t learn from his recent experiences then he will join a long line of guys who just couldn’t maintain a professional commitment to UTD.
I know we’re all gutted at the result so vent if we must, but why the vitriol on o’shea, neville, even nani and berbatov? We were 2 min away from a well-earned 3 points so we only have ourselves to blame I know. But still, for 91 min we were doing pretty well I thought. I certainly didn’t see evidence that neville was past it, in fact he showed he’s an asset when attacking down the right flank. He certainly didn’t seem past it when he chased arteta back and harried him into making a weak shot at vds (which pienaar scored from the rebound).berbatov played out of his skin, winning headers and knock ons and dictating our attacks. We showed bottle to get back on level terms only 4 min after gg behind, didn’t we? Nani created 2 goals for us! O’shea, for all his flaws, did what he was asked to do for 91 min. Its not as if we gave it up like whores just as livershite did to chelsea last season. This was a mental lapse! C’mon guys 4 games in and some of you wanna give up the title already? Let’s get behind our boys eh? We are manchester united and we will not go away quietly! Bring on rangers! Can’t wait!
scruffynat- Great post mate. Exactly what I was thinking.
Berbatov and Nani did as much as they could to put us in the game, the defense let us down, plain simple.
Berba was fantastic !!
The last min goals against Fulham and Everton was something you would expect from fucking Arsenal, naive defending, not learning from mistakes.
Wins against Rangers and dippers should put things in order though and lets wait till Chelsea actually play a team that can defend !
Rooneys absence had no impact on the result. We did well without him. The lad wants some time off.he isnt asking for much.let him come back ready mentally. It was a good decision not to play him. He still has temper problems. The crowd abuse could have led to him doing something silly and getting himself sent off. The tabloids would have been even happier with that. Would have heaped the pressure on him.
It’s easier for some to blame Neville, O’Shea and Evans than say Vidic and Evra. Or Fletcher. Because I have to say that Fletch hasn’t looked the same to me this season. He has done very well going forward, but what about his defensive shifts? There were times at Fulham and yesterday when we were surrending control too easily.
A lot of work needs to be done if we are going to win the 19tht title.
@Costas
was about to same. Vidic looks a bit off colour as does fletch.berba,scholes and vds are the only ones who have started the season well
Well done to Everton, their never say die approach in injury time was very United. Our inability to shut up shop during the closing stages was very un-United. Let’s hope it’s a one off, but I suspect extra defensive training is on the menu at Carrington today.
Berbatov is a lazy fucker and should be sold with Nani in january- ??? wait is it 2009 or 2010
ah Remember when O’Shea cracked the crossbar with a curling dipping shot from outside the box
Howard had the game of his life but still let in 3 and wasnt the best keeper on the pitch
we had 3 points in the bag and no team change or tactic change could of changed the dropping of the heads in the last 2 minutes- but if i could of done 1 thing i would of brought Kikos speed on with 10-20 minutes left to put the match to bed
Cant believe an Irish guy was the ultimate big brother winner
@AIG
I’d say that Nani has also started well. He has 1 goal and 4 assists to his name already. We should also take into consideration that we had a disruptive pre season due to the World Cup and injuries.
Costas – calmed down a bit ?
Costas
ah yes. Nani has started well. The rest have to improve and fast.
watched football first there…gutted with the 2 goals at the end, cant afford many more of these and especially after the fulham game….was glad to hear a few old ronnie songs doin the rounds
I agree with ghtt kiko would have been good in the last 20 min.
I think its time where fergie should also accept his mistakes.No player in our squad is bad or rubbish as some say here but its the combination which should be right.You dont expect three aged guy to run in the field for 90 minutes.But i think this defeat would be blessing in disguise maybe next time when we are leading 2-0 or 3-1 or for that matter by any margin we will still finish of our chances and go for more goals.I just hope we dont do the same kind of mistake again.
Kiko or no kiko we should have not let that slip away. A 2 goal lead should have been more than enough. This defence kept many clean sheets not long ago
also scholes was good yesterday but he cant keep the same levels for the 90 mins.should be substituted after 70 mins especially in away games where more effort is required
also where is gibbo. He deserves a chance
@Corea
Yeah buddy. Wasn’t too angry. Disappointed and disgusted more than anything.
Its all about Rooney. Last year too,when Rooney was injured and he left the squad the team became low on morale and thus finished 2nd.
I request Sir Alex and all the English fans to stop complaining about Rooney’s personal life and lets just celebrate SOCCER!
PEACE!
@Costas – i wasn’t disgusted. Not even schoked. I don’t know why. Maybe dissapointed, speechless. They showed Fergie’s face straight after everton’s 3rd goal. That said it all.
It’s bad we, Manchester United, can make THIS out of ourselves.
Too many questions right now, none of the answeres.
My only hope is that Fergie HAD really HAD money to spend. If the answer is NO the story of our club this term is a sad story.
Get Ando back. Get Rio back (i am not sure though he will make the difference and stay healthy for a while). Get Brown back. Get well Hargo, we miss you!
Am i mistaken or our fans do relly sing Hargo’s name at games?
@theboogeyman
thanks mate. just don’t understand the apocalyptic atmosphere. like ghtt said, howard made a few stupendous saves but wasn’t even the best goalie on the pitch. plus, i thought tactically we did well, soaking up the pressure and countering very well. people don’t give everton enough credit i think, after all, look at arteta. His passing and ball control yesterday was pretty darn good I feel.
focusing on the positives, everything about the third goal we scored was fantastic. I only wish the cross from giggs to berba where he took it first time found its way into the net. There’s no way any team could have recovered from such magic!
@Costas and AIG
Agree that Nani has pretty much started like a house on fire, penalty miss aside, his movement and decision making seems to have gone up a notch. Fletch’s lost a bit of dynamism in the tackle, I feel. But I think it’s part of the learning. Imagine when both the attacking and defensive aspects of his game come together. He’ll be some player. Costas like you I hope we do not start having a mental complex about playing at certain grounds – i.e. West Ham from a few seasons back, ‘Boro i think and Fulham away. I remember being nervous every time we were gonna play cuz for some reason no matter how good our form was we seemed to get stuck a little at these grounds. But I think SAF will point out to the boys that for 91 minutes we really did well enough to take the 3 points.
To fans who get the privilege of watching the boys play at the away grounds, what is like at places like Goodison? From my telly it sounds really menacing (like yesterday when Pienaar scored) but then again I always wonder if it is the away support that is giving it as good as it got. The ground did get noticeably quieter after Fletch’s goal though.
still in shock.
when everton scored their 2nd why the hell didnt we keep the f*ckin ball for whatever time was left….
all we did was hoof it up the pitch like a second rate pub team……was like a f*ckin invitation for them to load our box with players & whip another cross in.
we need to nip this in the bud…….twice now in two away games.
What the fuck was pat evra doing acrobatics when he could have cleared the ball by hoofing it clear, is the 5 match ban given to him by the french playing on his mind? Doesn’t seem himself lately.
What i’m worried about is that when we play away from home and leading, teams would feel that any increased pressure on our defence and we’d crack, we need to get back the solid defence back.
Little off-topic:
I am scared that whole Rooney situation may mess up things greatly.
I imagine Real fascist Madrid stepping up now with a bid for Rooney. And even we would not want to sell there could be two options.
1. Rooney takes it to go away from the tabloids smashing his head (could be by influence of others to spare his wife all the tabloids crap).
2. Rooney takes it to save his marriage. On request/demand of his wife.
Hope none of this happens, but Real loves to take our good players and this is great opportunity for them to jump in with a bid.
Owen hagreaves is like the louis saha’s case, rarely ever gets on the pitch but people harp on about how influential he can be, well not really as he hasn’t amassed 20+ appearances in two fucking years.
I know its not his fault for the niggling injury but the man’s knees can’t hack top level football, one game in the reserves, our hopes arise and he gets crocked yet again, at united we mustn’t get sentimental with certain players, if you ain’t putting the performances in or clocking up enough first team appearances, you shouldn’t be at united.
The goals we conceded late on against everton was from players getting crosses in against gary neville, he might have the desire but he really hasn’t got the legs to play at this level anymore, people say experience matters but it only does when you got the physical attributes to match, our defence is diabolical and neville isn’t only the problem.
scruffynat – It’s not that places like Goodison park are menacing, it’s just the scousers are never happy unless there moaning. Every decision yesterday was contested by the Everton fans, even the ones that were blatant and in our favour.
Moving to real madrid wouldn’t solve his problems and his career would stagnant anyway, the tabloids will still follow him like a dog after a bone as he is englands golden boy and the glazers WOULDN’T DARE SELL HIM, riots would happen
He needs to knuckle down and get back to last seasons form, nothing more nothing less.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2010/09/11/2113715/forget-the-wayne-rooney-sideshow-manchester-united-have-far
How about this team for Tuesday,
VDS Rafa Vidic Rio Evra, Scholes Fletch Ando or Gibson Nani, Berba Hernandez/442
@Corea
I can never make out what our fans are chanting. My hearing isn’t good when it comes to football chants.
Honestly, I don’t know whether the money issue came into play yesterday. The game was in the palm of our hands with 2 minutes to go. The more worrying thing for me is that this team has forgotten how to defend. Makes me wonder how much practice is done on the training ground. Evans and Vidic were our pairing for most of the games of that famous 14 clean sheet run just 2 years ago. Looking at them yesterday, you would think they were different players. O’Shea, whom plenty of our fans like to critisize, was also in that team. What happened to him?
As for Tuesday, I see us lining up like this:
VDS -O’Shea, Rio, Vidic, Evra – Valencia, Fletcher, Giggs, Nani – Rooney, Berbatov
Haven’t seen any signs that Rafael and Gibson will be called upon for a game like this.
With more stories about Rooney this weekend, i don’t think he’ll start on Tuesday, maybe the bench. Scholes has to start, need someone to open up Rangers and Gibson should be given nod over Ando, unless he’s fit and ready to go.
There’s no doubt the boss will freshen it up, with Liverpoo on Sunday, maybe Fletch could be rested for the Gers game.
The problem with Scholes is that he has admitted that he can’t play 3 games a week. And yesterday, it was evident that he was tired after the 70th minute. He could use a break. So can’t see Fletch getting rested either. The only doubt is who his partner will be. I mentioned Giggs but he also played 90 minutes yesterday. So it’s either Gibson or Ando.
Speaking of Gibson, did anyone notice that he took his track suit off and the manager sent him back to the bench yesterday?
Yeah, saw that. I still don’t know why he didn’t start yesterday, the lad deserves a run in the team imo. Saying that, i actually thought JOS done ok and he nearly buried one in the top corner lol. On fletch, could we rest him against Rangers, because the dippers game is now a massive 3 points we must get.
Well, if we rest both Fletch and Scholes, we might play our Irish duo of O’Shea and Gibson in midfield. Or travel back in time and play O’Shea and Giggs like we did in 05-06. Or play Gibson and Ando together. Either way it doesn’t sound too promising.
Does Fletch need a rest? He has played a lot in the last month. I think what Fletcher needs even more is to get back to his 08-10 form. He is becoming more of a threat on the attacking side of things, but defensively he hasn’t been as good. Can’t remember United ever having 21% of possesion like we did at some point in the first half. Not even when we played at the Camp Nou or thr Bernabeu.
I’d rest Fletch and play Scholes. We can get beat Rangers without Fletch, but no one can see a pass like the ginger prince.
Torres will be licking his lips in anticipation of facing us. He will give us a torrid time.
First Wayne, now Ricky Hatton? These guys are in self destruct mode.
AIG – Is that literally? or are you using a metaphor?
everyone keeps talking about evans mistakes? can some please point out where these mistakes came??? oshea was marking cahill on the 2nd goal.. and vidic/oshea again got beat for the second header.. why is everyone blaming evans?.. yes he made silly fouls but so did our legend our club captain(or old club captain) he made silly fouls time after time.. why is nobody blaming him?
i thought evans done pretty well.. made great interceptions and tackles.. obviously he wasnt at vidic’s standard but who the hell is?
obertanthenewstar – There’s always a scapegoat, last year it was Berba, this year it seems it’s Evans. He’s still a youngster, and still learning his trade, but some fans don’t seem to have any patients these days.
Willie
i am serious.ladyboy loves playing us.
only positive is.. we always start off badly and we get stronger as the games go on.. but to drop points like that really does suck
p.s everyone talking about chelsea’s easy games but they have the momentum… and that momentum could get them throught the harder games as their confidence is sky high… its really not looking good for us in the league.. although its still early… you have to take that on board… going to be hard for us.. specially as our confidence is at rock-bottom
@obertanthenewstar
Still trying to find out who was supposed to mark Arteta in their second goal. Pretty sure it wasn’t Evans.
The only positive sign is that I haven’t seen any Berbaflop or Berbacunt references here after a bad result in which Berbatov played as the main striker. What the hell has happened to this place?
Off topic, doesn anyone think that the rumors about Owen and Aston Villa could be true? Especially if he doesn’t play a lot by December?
@Costas
could be true… only games he will most likely get for us will be in the carling cup
if he has the chance to play with agbonlawhore.. he mite take it!!
with us having chicha now… i really wouldnt mind
p.s did anyone notice in the first half nani was tracking back like a man possesed?? but the second half he stopped and everytime there was a 2 on 1 with baines (who provided the cross in the both goals) having the time of his life on that side??? we need valencia back! valencia wouldnt have stopped… and would have blocked a few of those crosses in or pressured him into doing something different…
same as the left side imo… giggs was playing as a striker at times leaving the defensive wing work to evra on that whole side??? that is just asking for trouble… evra could handle it to a extent but poor old gary couldnt.. and it resulted in two goals
anyone agree?
obertan
dont want to sound negative, but Evans were much at fault for the 2nd goal..
he was marking Cahill, then he ran into a STRANGE position and as the cross came in he ran back to Cahill but not in time to head the ball away for him..
O’shea came from behind and had to do Evans job..
You also see O’shea being furious at Evans after the goal..
not saying I’ve lost patience with Evans, just that he still has much to learn, and needs to bulk up a bit..
still it is wrong to give more blame to Evans than Evra for the 1st goal, and even Giggs for not marking Arteta on the last goal.. Evans is only 22 whereas the other 2 are more experienced..
Giggs were probably tired as hell, and should have been subbed off if that’s the case.. then that is Fergie’s fault.. so I think we can draw a conclusion that Evans shouldnt be a scapegoat..
you just have to watch MOTD and in their analyze you see Evans has much to learn…
and needs to bulk up http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xesbq9_everton-v-manchester-united_sport?start=923
please watch some mins from 15:22
you really see the difference between Vidic and Evans..
they even analyze the two goals in the end and the poor defending
actually they say that Evans was much at fault for the last goal as well.. AUCH
@williered
Thanks man, I often wonder abt the referees @ grounds like these.. Thought pienaar and cahill were late in a couple of dangerous tackles yesterday. I like that saf doesn’t moan abt it after like wenger does though
Fletcher’s peformance yesterday highlighted our great need for a gritty DM/ballwinner. He wasn’t at the races yesterday, if we had a cover for him on the bench (a new signing) then we could have brought him on for Fletcher, or started the game with both. Our midfield this season has got overrun far too easily, we seriously look vulnerable in the middle when Fletcher is not playing or having a bad game. Our defence is not as solid or protected well, and as a result we are leaking goals. Yesterday’s defensive errors happened because of a sudden lack of concentration, which many defenders experience constantly, but we didn’t have the defensive midfielders who sit deep and help out when things are chaotic at the back. After Fletch I think Ando is the best defensivley, a notch better than Carrick, but both haven’t played first team football for a while and when they’re back it’ll take them a while to get into their groove and hit some form. This all should have been taken into consideration in the summer, ffs.
evans was on the line for the 3rd goal mate… how can that be his fault?
I see Rob Green was up to his old tricks yesterday, this guys seriously lacking confidence.
Cant take motd’s analysis as much proof of anything, they pick and choose clips that back up and exaggerate their claims.
Also anyone slagging off berba and nani are a) idiots and b) picking on the easy targets, Giggs and Scholes were missing chances as well!
With O’Shea @ center of the midfield, without Anderson, Carrick and Hargreaves, honestly what did we expect?
Chelsea played against shite teams so far, we got points where we struggled in the past years.
The top form has to come from March, so don’t start dreaming nightmares! 34 fixtures still fck sake…
obertan
no he was not..
he lost the duel which led to the dangerous situation and the goal..
if he had won it.. if we had been lucky and Vidic was taking on Cahill the ball would never had ended up in a dangerous position like the middle of the penalty area..
why dont you just watch the link I posted mate.. they fully analyze it there..
bigphil
oh, that is a wierd thing to say.. cant see anyone in here analyzing the situation any better than the guy on MOTD, dont know who it is, but he sure has a good point.. it is not rocket science.. it is mostly logical, and they back it up with video technology etc..
Sprite – You don’t know who it is? Where have you been mate? It’s Alan Hansen, ex Liverpoo captain. You talking as if Jonny is on Vidic’s level, he’s not mate, he’s still learning the game, it’s not a fair comparison.
Snatching a draw from the jaws of victory. Who says Sir Alex is always right? Does he have some divine right to make bad decisions and we are not allowed to criticise him? If a manager doesn’t learn from the mistakes of the very previous game then maybe he should shoulder all the blame for this one. Maybe Sir Alex has lost the plot a little bit.
Yeah, sorry guys, Bigphil.. you are spot on about Berba/Nani.. of course we shouldnt take Hansen’s words as gospel.. but he is a former CB and I believe he has a point here..
willie: I started watching football in 1996, 5 years after he retired, and I never watch any channels with Hansen cause I dont live in the uk, so I cant say I recognized him..
I don’t normally criticize SAF but his substitution cost the game,moving O’Shea to left back robbed of his defensive traits in the middle of the park.Fabio would have had a better impact bcos he is huungry to prove himself
Sprite – No problems mate, but it’s easy to sit in a studio and point out other players weaknesses.
Costas @ 11:35: “As for Tuesday, I see us lining up like this:
VDS -O’Shea, Rio, Vidic, Evra – Valencia, Fletcher, Giggs, Nani – Rooney, Berbatov”
As ALWAYS, you second-guess the OldFootieKnight at your peril. I would be very surprised to see Giggs starting – like Scholes, his playing-time is being rationed and Rangers at home isn’t a priority – Liverpoo on Sunday is ! I’m also not sure that O’Shea will get a start at right back ahead of Rafael or ?? Wesley Brown who has played a fair bit with the reserves (and his little brother). And, these cup ties are games for Kuszczak. So, I think that Vidic, Evra, Fletcher, Nani are certainties while Rooney will be put back in the saddle (so to speak) alongside either Chicharito or KikoTheKid. I’m less sure about Valencia, Rio, and Berbatov. But, what do I know ? I’ve largely given up on trying to predict SAF’s starting line-up – he manages for the whole season, not just game-by-game.
on the positives, compared to last season, we did much better at everton, they killed us when we played there last season, this was our own fault and that can be fixed. Same with Fulham.
If anything it is a great wake up call that we need to sort out our defence before the rangers and liverpool games. They are at OT, but still, offensively we are doing great, now we just need to take care of the back.
Evans is still a kid too, he has probably had more pressure than anyone at that age, and has done pretty damn well for someone that young, playing for such a big club with all the expectations.
Rangers game will be very interesting. Can’t see Scholes starting, he was hardly in it the last 20 minutes. Needs a rest. The game should be an opportunity to mix in some fringe players. I am hoping we see Anderson or Carrick paired with Fletcher with Gibo coming on for the last 25 minutes. I hope we see Rafael or Brown at RB. I would like Vida, Evans/Rio, Evra and VDS to fill out the back. Park might get a game. Be fun to see Berba and Chicho have a goal with Roo slotted deep up front.
FZE @ 13:59: “Fletcher’s peformance yesterday highlighted our great need for a gritty DM/ballwinner. He wasn’t at the races yesterday, if we had a cover for him on the bench (a new signing) then we could have brought him on for Fletcher, or started the game with both. ”
You can’t have it both ways – yesterday DarrenFletcherinho (football genius) was given the role of attacking midfielder and scored a brilliant goal (and, yes, in my biased opinion it was a “better goal” than the one scored by DimitarBerbatov since the degree-of-difficulty in redirecting/volleying the waist=high cross was far greater than the take-down and strike on the Berbatov goal) while being freed from the demands of acting as Paul Scholes’ caddy. That’s what John O’Shea was assigned to do and he did it well, in my opinion.
On the other hand, you are right that the squad could use another player with the dynamism of Fletcherinho – but, then, what team wouldn’t want two such players ?
@ Fletchtheman
I heard Carrick got injured. But I agree with you on everything else. Scholes really does need a rest.
FletchTHEMAN – Scholes has just had a two week rest mate, he’ll be ok for Tuesday.
Sorry, but that Hansen analysis is biased to say the least. You mean to tell me that Cahill won every battle against Evans and lost every one against Vidic? Plus, completely ignored the fact that Arteta was unmarked on the second goal and again, that isn’t Evans’ responsibility.
@denton
“Always” second guess? Come on now. Besides, it’s not second guessing. It’s how I think he might line up on Tuesday based on how he has utilised the players until now. Apples and oranges. The Giggs inclusion, I said it later, was a risk on my part. Because he played 90 minutes yesterday. So that’s the biggest question mark going into the Rangers game. I’d love to see Rafael and Gibson get the nod, but they haven’t played at all this season. Same goes for Wes Brown.
But hey, that’s just one fan’s opinion. I’ve never predicted a Fergie line up correctly. If I am not mistaken, Fergie han’t played the same team in consecutive matches for the 128 games. But, I know I will get one of them correct one of these days!
off topic but is torres attempting to grow a ‘stache?
Lads,
Havent been on at all this weekend so my first post after the match!
Anyway before i read previous comments i think i will post my view before its biased by anything i read!
I thought we played well, i was impressed with Berbatov he really looked lively. Nani played reasonably well also 2 good crosses for the goals. Still needs to work on his game though. Made a few poor decisions which a more experienced player wouldn’t have done.
Thought Giggs & Scholes Game Dropped nearer the end, they both had good games.
Evans & Vidic – I thought these pair did all right, didn’t look too troubled!
Evra – Boy oh boy what was he doing with his clearance! If he had got infront of the attacker we wouldn’t have conceded! Know the lad has a bit on his mind but Kick up the arse for him!
Nevile – Looked a little rusty but didnt doo too much wrong in my eyes! Im a nev fan anyhow!! HAHA
Final Goal – Why oh why oh why did we not keep the ball for the last minute!… From Kick off we kicked the ball either to their keeper or their defender. Why not play back. Play it about and then kick it into touch high up the pitch.. Push up and go man for man!.. We were too deep on their return and we leake a final goal! DOnt think anyone was too blame just one of them things!
Overall i say fair play to everton!
Overall i am a little miffed at how wasteful we were in the second half! Poor Decision after poor decision in front of goal and it hurt us in the end!
Didnt see match of the day but just viewed a stream of Hansens comments.
I honestly didnt think evens played that badly! He always is going to be an easy target cause he is young! Anyhow, I do remember a few excellent blocks during the game and was pleased with his performance!
Hansen just likes to knock united players, he will pick on the weakest or the easiest target! He always was and always will be a cock!
Evertons second goal it was vidic that got under the ball and Missed the Clearing header which left Cahill behind him a free header! How hansen blames Evans is beyond me!
@sprite, yeah i agree that Hansen probably knows a thing or two, but just meant that they’ll pick the best bits out of vidic’s performance and the worst out of Jonny’s to make good TV. Like willie said they are at different stages in their careers and we cant expect Jonny to be at Vida’s level just yet.
The Liverpoo fans are priceless, there phoning talksport and complaining about Hodgson already lol.
Time to all grow beards – well excuse our wonderful United Ladies – until we win away and win good
: )
Even at the biggest lows, you can always say could be worse, we could be scouse.
well we all talked about the one area that is a major problem that could stop united winning the league all summer? the lack of strength in depth in the middle of the park. carrick is no longer the force he was, hargreaves and anderson are crocked, and playing scholes nearly every game is not a benifit to united when he would be a great asset if he was rotated. Look at the benifts we have had giggs when he is used in certain games. We had this problem when we failed to replace keane it humiliated united in europe in the 05/06 season and we were well off the pace in the premiership until january 2006 when we got going.
But these reasons are no excuse for a 2 minute collapse of throwing away a 2 goal lead.
well we all knew liverpool would be one of the most toothless teams in the premiership
Torres is playing like he doesn’t want to be there, but i expect a different player next week.
Is cole eligible for the game against us?
without kuyt they looked stale today, except for reina who made 2 amazing saves….
Coles available again, that was the last match of his ban.
What happened to scott.i hope he didnt hang himself after yersterday’s late shock
chicharito14
it usually takes 1 or 2 days for him to swallow defeats, then he will be back with a dozen of posts..
i dnt understand why he posted the goals when the match was stil going on ?
talk about cursing it!!! (JOKE)
does anyone else agree the irony of september 11th that united were the twin towers yesterday because they very well did collapse
The last person out of ROM, please turn off the lights?
Costas @ 15:57: ” I’ve never predicted a Fergie line up correctly. If I am not mistaken, Fergie han’t played the same team in consecutive matches for the 128 games. But, I know I will get one of them correct one of these days!”
That’s kinda like the blind squirrel finding a nut. Or a monkey writing Shakespeare. Really, predicting SAF’s team sheet is an impossible business for us on the outside. I’ve (mostly) given up trying but sometimes I can help myself —– and it seems you can’t, either.
Sure is quiet here tonight. The Rangers game can’t come soon enough.
Don’t know where I went wrong saying Scholes looked tuckered the last 20 minutes.
I trust we can due without him on 3 days rest. But then I am not the manager. If I was,
Scholes would have been off for the last 15 minutes and I would have been screamin at the lads to get stuck in. We were ball watching for chunks of the game. Wash my mouth out, but even Fletch was less the terrier than was needed. At any rate, think some young blood would due nicely on Tuesday. Run those Rangers off the park! Come on United!
@RTNK, Not much funny in that, but hey, its a free blog. Something like 3000 people died that day that did nothing for it. Something like 200 kids in day care. 2 days later, something like 15 NYC fire department houses were empty or missing the majority of their lads because it was there duty to be in the stair wells of those towers as they came down. I knew a great lad on the Boston to LA flight that died that day as well. Lucky as it was, no one died yesterday. In the end, this is just a game.
All, sorry about typos, sheesh!
Agree with Fletchtheman, that was bad taste. Dropping two points is hardly comparable to all the people that died that day.
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/444517207?-11193
Rooney wants to play on Tuesday.
I miss singing “you can fuck ur henry you can fuck ur henry,Rudd has come & he’s gonna score 3 , nistelrooy is coming to town
FletchTHEMAN – did I make fun of the disaster NO. so dont tell me I was taking the piss out of one disaster that is a small fraction on other disasters that have been poked fun of. WW1 WW2 countless times parodys have been made fun of those 2 wars. south park themselves took the piss out of war vietnam which was 10 times worse than something like 9/11. They also made fun of steve irwin not once, not twice, but 3 times after his death. titanic disaster has been made fun of countless times which is worser taste than what I said. and I used uniteds collapse saterday has a medephore on the the towers themselves not the PPL.
@RNTK, Right, like I said, just not for me.
and it was the same date has that disaster. there is a difference making fun of 9/11 and using a medephore on uniteds 2 minute collapse like the towers structure wise not comparing disasters, It is not making fun of a disaster it was in a short sentance that how the hell united collapsed in 2 minutes, because what happened saterday was a shocker but it was not making fun of 9/11 rant over
@GHTT, like the sentiment. Miss the fact that we didn’t see more of RVN.
He was class for me. Went to early IMO. Cheers.
only thinking about Ruud today and I think Sir Alex let him go right on time- in fact maybe 6 months to late- but anyway while he wass here and his head was 100% inti the team and the game he was unreal-a true number 10
Cheers Big Phil, yes you dont want to cross me in real life. lmao A pure nutter.
I was just very low and thinking of what might have been after the Cottage and then again at the Toffee’s.
I am not the most knowledgable lad on the blog as far as United is concerned, but being Scottish a determined Cunt.
I sorta get my heckles up when posters call me a Dick head on a blog, its just a trait i have.
If you reread the thread on this occasion i did “Nowt” in (King Erics words wrong).
I simply supported a lad that was saying the Glazer are not good for United. Not in my words as i would have said it, although he clearly read a few of my posts on here regards the Icons and there non existent replacements. i just felt , I will back him up.
I am paraphrasing. Then a lad Manny wotever ,attacked me regards i know nothing about football, please I am Scottish its my first love football and United.I gave him two facts he was gone.
Just because i dont always hang around blogs and stalk people, I read like crazy and digest.
Hay mate its not over is it! lmao .FFS after the dust settles we all come up for air.
In my opinion we are two points better off than the comparable two fixtures last season with 102 points to play for.
On reflection and the cold light of day or night now, after a drunken 24 hour haze! We should have played Wayne he would have kept Evertons defensive line closer to Howard.They new clearly Berbatov(Mom) was starting from the centre circle and with is lightening speed can keep up with Nani.
As was witnessed last season at the Emirates, three touches its in the Arsenal net. That was never going to happen on Saturday. Moyes is no Mug. He set his stall out to nulify us.
What our team did not do, as we all know was close the game down, i like to think positive in these matters probably trying to get closer to Chelsays aggregate goals. there is the error. Going for it.
I will never question Sir Alex thats basic stupidity me a mere supporter, he a Icon of Manchester united.
I am glad you got a wee smile at my post to Mannyuntd, and no offense mate.
With drink in me i am 9m foot tall bullet proof and invincible lol
Onto the Gers game Tuesday, that will be fun, hope you can get to the Match, I cant.
Will be on here hopefully and try and be very annoying lol.
hope our esteemed moderator is well, maybe like us all just nursing United wounds.
Cmon United.
Believe…… just fucking do.
just my two cents. was absolutely gutted after letting go of 4 points like that. but after a day to cool down, I kinda saw the bigger picture in way, we got two points this season at grounds where we got ZERO last season.
Late to the post, but couldnt bear logging in after Saturday’s match. Was watching it with a few reds in India’s first Utd. sports bar. Crowd was sad too…sigh…
I hate saying “I told you so”, but I did voice my concerns about the defence and DMF positions when everybody was going on abt Ozil and how he would be the panacea to our ills. Not going over the top, early days and all, but I absolutely hated the Lame Arse(nal) manner in which we gave the pts. away – Wenger’s lot vs Blackburn anybody?
And my worst fears are:
1. What do we do if Rio, Vida or Evans get injured?
2. What do we do if Fletch gets injured?
3. Can Scholesy play Everton, Rangers and the Scouse over 8 days?
The optimistic view is that Smalling/Gibson/someone will pick up and have the season of their lives. But cause for deep concern, you would agree…
Last but not the least, SAF does puzle me with his decisions these days…why not play Rafael/Brown at all?!! Everybody says Rafael’s defensive play is weak, but except for that moment of madness, he had Ribery absolutely tucked up and put to bed. His speed and fearlessness would have restrcted Pienaar to no great extent. What’s the pt. of having Gibson if you ain’t gonna play him at 23? And Kiko? What’s the pt. of spending 25 m on promising talent (no problems – I love it), if you aint gonna give them a chance (it’s here that I have problems)? You could have bought an established star for that sort of money.
And when we go 3-1 up, is it the Utd way to sit back and park the bus? Damn it, from then on we should have absolutely smashed the bastards. 5-2, away with Spurs anyone? Instead, we tried to shut shop and it fucking blew up in our collective faces. Common, we are Utd. , for crying out loud!!
Big positives that I’ll draw on are Nani, VDS and Berba. I wont even talk about Scholes – right now he seems to be on a different planet, I just hope he can continue like this forever….
PS: I hear Rooney is available for the Rangers. If we go 4-5-1, does that mean Berba sits out? What a fucking shame.