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  1. Che Guevarist says:

    I think that Owen proved again yesterday that if you had to choose anyone being one on one with the keeper, it would be him. He made the first goal look so easy and natural and was involved with our overall play too yesterday, which was nice to see.

    I guess I’m not the only one who was impressed with our fans yesterday. If only such an atmosphere existed at Old Trafford, the opposing team would shit their pants every game.

  2. King Eric says:

    slim – Ok mate fair enough but we all know when Owen plays he scores. His record holds up against ANYONE in World Football.. He has nowt to prove .

  3. willierednut says:

    Costas – Maybe Ando being Brazillian, isn’t a factor with you and slim, but some fans think he should be putting in top performances every time he plays for United. My point is this, his form has been poor and his attitude is even poorer. If the roles were reversed and this was the case with Gibson, he probably wouldn’t get the same benefit of the doubt. The thing that frustrates me with Ando is he’s got the ability and talent to do so much better, i really do hope he makes it at United.

  4. slim says:

    @ King Eric says

    I won’t lie i’m desperate for Kiko and Hernandez to play and play well early on and yes Owen does score when he plays i won’t dispute that. Problem is he doesn’t see himself as a squad player. he still harbors thoughts of playing for England for fucks sake. Anyways i’m glad its SAF’s headache to pick who he plays cos i’d probably fuck it up :-)

  5. Che Guevarist says:

    @ slim

    How doesn’t he see himself as a squad player? He took a massive pay-cut to play for United and he always knew about our situation with Berba and Rooney. He doesn’t expect to play every game.

    With regards to England, I can hardly remember Owen talking about England recently; I think it’s more the media that has an obsession with the whole England-Owen thing.

    Personally, I think he still has a lot to offer to our cause. If anything, with all his experience, Kiko and Chicharito can learn a lot from him. It’s still early days and I’m sure all our strikers will have their chance.

  6. slim says:

    @Che Guevarist

    Hmmmn yes took a pay cut, no one was going to pay him what he got at Newcastle,I remember him talking about the England set up recently. Does he have a lot to offer us ? In my opinion he’s a good player to have around, i’d just prefer come the end of the season kiko and chico played more than him individually or a combined total. And i’m not slating the guy for Gods sake, i’m just anxious to see our young players grow and become successful, Remember Hollier took a chance on him when he was a teenager at looserpool, i want us to do the same with our young guns

  7. Mark says:

    @bigphil2003 @Trevor

    I suppose we’re not comparing like for like players in Anderson and Gibson.

    I think you’re right about chances and the progression curve. Anderson has made more then 100 appearances for United, Gibson has 40 or so, and they are both about the same age, I think. I’m not blaming Gibson for where he is on the curve. Maybe if he’d have been bought for £18m he would have been given more playing time.

    I’m just saying that I think Anderson made good progress in the past and shown good consistent form. But unfortunately since then he has regressed (even before he got injured). Anderson has shown he can consistently produce the form to push himself into the team, ahead of other fit players. I know that his injury has set him back but if he can get back to where he once was I’d be happy and it would be good for the team. As you say – he also needs to work on his shooting.

    With Gibson, I feel that we’ve seen flashes of brilliance from him (like the goal against Bayern) but he’s yet to impose himself on a game in the way I feel Anderson did when he was on form. I’m sure that in 60 games time when Gibson catches up with Anderson he’ll be flying. I just think he needs some match time, to work on certain areas of his game and he’ll be great. We’ll hopefully get to the point where Gibson is putting pressure on Scholes for a place in the starting 11 for the big games, because that’s what we need.

    I actually think Gibson is ahead of Anderson in terms of form at the moment. Gibson is improving all the time, Anderson has been a bit up and down.

  8. Trevor says:

    @: Mark,

    We have no player at United who will put pressure on Scholes!

    If scholes is fit he plays!

  9. Mark says:

    @Trevor. On current form I agree.

  10. denton davey says:

    Mark @ 14:09: “I actually think Gibson is ahead of Anderson in terms of form at the moment. Gibson is improving all the time, Anderson has been a bit up and down.”

    I think that your comparison is the proverbial “apples and oranges”. Yes, “at the moment” Gibson is “ahead” of Anderson BUT Anderson is just coming back from an injury lay-off of six months. A more appropriate comparison would be to consider their age: I believe that Anderson is 12 -18 months younger; their experience in the first team at UTD; and their up-side potential. In all of these categories – and also Anderson’s left-footedness – I believe that Anderson has the edge BUT Gibson “seems” to have more steel in his desire although it is always difficult for an outsider to interpret body-language. Perhaps another way of looking at this kind of comparison is to ask a somewhat different question – which player would you choose if both of them reached their absolute up-side potential ? For me, it’s Anderson because I think he has the combination of physical power and skill to be simply awesome whereas Darron Gibson could be excellent. Given that this is a narrow – but crucial margin of difference – it’s a close-run thing; and, what is more, it’s a delightful dilemma for SAF because it seems that he has the same confidence in Gibson that he had in Darren Fletcherinho (football genius) – and we all know how that’s turned out.

  11. denton davey says:

    Trevor/Mark – I’m in partial agreement with you guys about Paul Scholes’ pre-eminence because he has been absolutely terrific in the games I’ve seen so far this year (I missed the match on the weekend but have seen the others) BUT in none of those games – except the second half of the Fulham match – has the opposition pressurized the GingerNinja. That, for me, is a crucial element in making the claim for Scholes’ pre-eminence. Of course, it’s not his fault that the opposition has given him time/space but it is pretty significant because no player is as good when he’s harrassed and harried as he is when he can stroll. This next CL match at Valencia might be a good indicator of Scholes’ continuing ability to weave magic in midfield because it’s my undestanding that Valencia’s defensive midfielders are very, very good players (Ever Banega, in particular); if they harry, harrass and hound Scholes – and they will be the home team – and the GingerNinja continues to weave his magic then it would count heavily in favour of your claims but if Scholes isn’t comfortable and can’t dominate then you might want to reconsider your argument. As in all comparisons, the key is “as compared to what ?” We’ll see – and I would just love it if you guys are proven correct.

  12. denton davey says:

    On LittleMIkey – in my opinion he’s a great asset to UTD for several reasons: first, he has a long, proven track record of scoring on a consistent basis; second, he’s a model professional; and third – and, I think, most importantly – he’s a barrier to Chicharito and KikoTheKid. This third reason is based on my understanding that young players have to “earn” playing time by proving themselves to be better than the more experienced incumbent. Competition for playing-time forces these youngsters to improve (and accept advice about how they must adapt their games in order to improve) while, as it were, cutting them down to size. In the short-term, these hard knocks are a tough form of schooling for youngsters but the lessons they learn will serve them well – they will know that to be walking out of the tunnel at OT, wearing the red shirt, is a real badge of confidence because they will know that the greatest manager in the world has selected them ahead of, say, legends like LittleMikey or RedNev or RyanGiggs or PaulScholes. And if that doesn’t fill them with confidence in their own ability – and a certain modesty about their role in a team game – then their name must be CR7 ! Most of UTD’s kids don’t have Cristiano’s other-worldly skill-set, they are merely “ordinary superstars” – so for Chicharito or KikoTheKid or Bebe to be selected for a first-team role ahead of MIchael Owen is a major step towards their development as proper – but “ordinary” – superstars in their own right. SAF won’t give them that chance, they will have to earn it and that’s why LittleMikey (and the other geezers) play such a valuable role in developing a team ethos.

  13. King Eric says:

    Mark – Good post.

  14. King Eric says:

    hello denton – You ok mate? I think it is very difficult for ANY team to close Paul down. One minute the opposition has him in their sights the next he has turned 180 and made space. VERY difficult to close down and mark.

  15. Mark says:

    King Eric. Cheers.
    Denton Davey. I think we’re in agreement about Anderson v Gibson. You also make a good point about Scholes v Valencia (the team, not the player). I’m very much looking forward to that game, and seeing how The Ginger Prince gets on. Fergie is obviously taking that match seriously enough to miss a United game and scout them in Spain last night.

  16. willierednut says:

    SAF wasn’t there to watch Valencia, he was there to watch Player/players.

  17. denton davey says:

    willierednut @ 17:31: maybe he was both scouting Valencia AND the Athletico Madrid keeper, David De Gea ?

  18. willierednut says:

    denton davey – Yeah probably, but it’s worth noting, that Eric Steele, the goal keeping coach, was with the boss in Spain.

  19. Bebeto says:

    So, Gibson scored his obligatory one for every fifty shots? Nice.


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