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Rafael da Silva was sent off at Tottenham today with 17 minutes (+4 injury time) remaining on the clock.
With Spurs fans always whinging about the decisions that have gone against them, as if it’s an exclusive disadvantage, you have to wonder if their hypocrisy can continue. (And The Ref for Sunday is!!!!!????)
What’s the difference here though?
When decisions go against Spurs, they don’t do themselves any favours and don’t do anything to deserve a result regardless. Spurs were 2-0 up when Michael Carrick was awarded a penalty two years ago. They then went on to lose 5-2. Is that down to the ref or them being bottle jobs?
At White Hart Lane, unjustly going down to ten men with almost a quarter of the game left to play, United could have conceded a few and spent the next few months whinging about the ref. But our lads got stuck in and secured the point required to go top.
Over the 90 minutes, Gomes was the only keeper required to make any good saves, with Spurs managing just two shots on target, both going straight in to the arms of Van der Sar.
Whilst Vidic tends to be man of the match in every game he plays, Rafael was pushing him for the title before this point. His runs forward saw him take on and beat several Spurs players at a time and he prevented Gareth Bale from doing much, again.
This now creates a few questions for us: does his suspension for our next game mean that Sir Alex will call a truce with Wes Brown? Or will we see John O’Shea, who is just returning from injury, drafted back in? And will Rio Ferdinand tweet a picture of Mike Dean wearing a Spurs shirt?
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I fucking love this kid!
Feel so sorry for our little fella. The guys like him and Hernandez really make your life a lot more exciting.
MIke Dean doesn’t like Rafael, does he?
Anyway, agreed about the decisions. Lets the moaners come here now and make up excuses again.
I personally thought Rafael was immense with his forward runs today.
and that shows how a real football club should be run. not whinging on bollocks ref decisions like Gooners or Spurs
Poor decision’s!! Dean is a fucking liability!!
this was almost as bad as the Bayern Munich red …. ridiculous refereeing from Dean.
Spurs 0 United 0: Escaped With A Point
http://www.theunitedreligion.com/2011/01/spurs-0-united-0-escaped-with-point.html
Same ol cockneys always whinging..
Good point today..
Interviewed SAF, evra and edwin. On mutv soon. All pleased with point and praise back 4.
Steward Gardner on twitter.
Yet some of us want to find scapegoats for our offensive display.
Lets move on reds.
Roone looks like he want to kill this fucking ref… sorry for my bad english guys
The thing that pisses me off about Spurs fans/players is when they say, “It’s a sign of the times that we played United and are disappointed with just getting one point”.
The fact that you still feel the need to use a performance against a 10 man United as a barometer for your performance is a sign of the times…”United are still the team to beat cause United are thje team to beat”
Amazing performance today from Vida and VDS.
We’re not in the cockney mafia that runs the FA
so we’ll take the point and one game ban on the chin
and concentrate on winning this title. .
Totally agree with Corea
Its a fucking shocker of a decision and to be perfectly honest i thought he was awesome today.
That twat has done that to United several times now give the opposition the benifit of the calls.
Ye can tak the the Scouser into a Black uniform but ye cannna tak the hate out of United fae a Wirral living Dipper can yeah?
This is not seen through red glasses (well yes it is but proud of it) but that fucker dived to ensure that Rafael got a second yellow. Clearly see that he collapsed the left foot long before Rafael got near him. If Rafael had been able to stop or pull up a little you would have seen him fall over with noone near him. If Nani did this the press would have a field day – and you can’t appeal two yellows. Mike Dean is just a twat. So much for the Yids getting closer to us as Droopy said in his post match interview – close !!! it is like saying China is becoming a democracy – fucking idiot
Poor kid. He was MOTM up until then. Tough task for a tiny guy but he put big Gareth Bale in his back pocket.
From Sky Sports regarding Rafael: The young Brazilian raged at referee Mike Dean and kicked over a television sound boom as he left the pitch and the FA are likely to want to review the video. Rooney was also booked for his protests.
Watch him get a 3-5 match ban. I’m going to the bookies with my winnings from todays result and betting on that happening.
Well done on for not bitching about the red card then…
@reyals
Sign of what times? They couldn’t beat a 10 man United. They haven’t beaten us in 24 games. Lol.
Little Red Ant
I saw it that way, Rafael was set up there. Of course, now that he’s been caught, he must learn from it. He was running the wrong line for a defender on a yellow.
@ smartalex – you are right he was and I hope he does learn from it
smartalex – let Rafael play the game, may he ? it’s like saying to Scholesy to cut off his tackling or take him off after he got a yellow.
Rafael was brilliant today.
Showed balls defensively, also running past player after player not being worried about the counter attack!
Tackle of the match: Chicharito sprinting after someone who had a good 5 yard head start and then sliding in to take it off their toe in the six yard box!
Talk about working for the team for both these young lads!
Have any of you played a game of football on your life!! He knew what he was doing for the red card! Stop whinging…your getting a lot like your own players!
deliberate cynical foul dressed up as innocence, had to go
Actually, I thought he was going to be red-carded in the first half – THAT was a reckless challenge. On the second yellow – a very, very, very soft card for for a very, very, very soft foul.
Overall, a funny performance – Aaron Lennon didn’t cause Evra any problems; Gareth Bale was not much of a force against the little tiger; Peter Crouch was largely “handled” by the captain; Rio was his usual calm, collected self in defence and – apart from a couple of “oopsies” Michael Carrick did very well. On the other hand, Nani and Berbatov and Giggs were largely anonymous; Rooney was full of sound and fury but, in reality, signified nothing much.
Another non-vintage performance BUT still first, unbeaten, games in hand, best goal difference and, I think, most goals scored.
Poper player,utds right back for the next 12 years(or until he goes to spain)
brenRed @ 19:22: “Tackle of the match: Chicharito sprinting after someone who had a good 5 yard head start and then sliding in to take it off their toe in the six yard box!”
Yeah – but he damned near gifted Van Der Vaart with a goal with a very slack pass to Giggs that set up VDV with a great shooting opportunity. Still, I always love watching the guy – he and Anderson brought some much-needed drive into the UTD attack.
Corea
Rafael wasn’t tackling in that instance, he was crossing behind, slowing down and raising his hands. He needed to slow down quicker, and veer right, in order to eliminate the opportunity for Assou-Ekotto to draw the foul. In my opinion, obviously. Next time he will have learnt this lesson.
@denton davey – hi. what do you make of Fletch performance ? should Fergie play him or drop to the reserves to learn his trade ? ))
@smartalex – the guy tracked back, what to learn ? yes, there are things in life you should be wise about but we can’t afford to lose the drive in him.
I think mike dean is a racist. Nice and easy to give the red to the small foreign boy who cant complain (or so he thought haha) just to please the home fans.
@denton davey – fair point on the vdv shot, I was shouting at the screen at that point.
Can someone tell me how modric is man of the match. vida was immence what a player he is .If rio or vida gets hurt we could be fucked our midfield is not good enough.
Corea
Rafael is a breath of fresh air that must never be stifled. However, in this instance he was trying not to tackle, but failed. It was avery soft card, but could have been avoided by succeeding (in not tackling) instead of cutting it fine enough for the touch to be drawn.
Rafael was showing everyone that he wasn’t tackling, instead of avoiding the card.
We all knew once Rafa went into that challenge, that Dean was gonna send him off. We’ve got away with 2 this season, so we due this I suppose. Luckily, It didn’t cost us the game. He was class before the sending off, he caused Spurs defenders more problems, than Nani did.
Overall a good result today particularly going down to 10 men. Vidic was brilliant and Rafael was very unlucky to get sent off for what was just a clash of legs with him barely touching the Spurs player. My concern (again!!) is with the lack of pace and creativity in our midfield until Anderson came on. We need to sign a world class creative midfielder in the summer who can get us 10-15 goals a season because we dont have anybody who can do that at the minute.
Scott, you’re beginning to sound more tiresome than some of these Spurs fans you accuse of being tiresome. Get over it son.
Spooky – Get over what? I’ve posted a video of a shit decision on the day it happened. I won’t still be banging on about this in a few months time, making me different from the tiresome Spurs fans who will point the finger at anyone but their bottle job players.
Ref makes two bad calls is hardly the same type of thing to incite discussion like the Nani goal or the Mendes ‘goal’ is it? It’s boring in comparison. Much like all the other controversial incidents. And most Spurs fans (myself included) do point the finger at our bottle job players – all the time. That’s not to say we can’t scoff and shrug at the likes of Webb walking around blindly giving out decisions that are completely out of context to normality.
Today was one of those things and doesn’t really deserve the embrace you’re giving it to as ammunition to throw it back into the faces of the giddy Lilywhites amongst my crowd over here.
Let’s not fall out over this.
Regards and kisses,
S
No, that was never a red card! It was, however, a yellow, especially since Rafael had been skating on thin ice for some time, so I just knew it was coming… Never mind that he didn’t intent to foul the Spud, he did manage to prevent a quick attack, so the yellow was fair.. Two yellows = One red. I can’t complain too much about it.
I think the ref just doesn’t like us. Maybe he is a Liverpool fan? I don’t know but it looked as though he was only booking our players – he was definitely on a mission that ref, he was!
Like spurs fans have, over the Mendes goal lol.
Spooky – The Mendes goal was ridiculous. No denying that. (And over 6 years ago).
I’d rather have a penalty wrongly given against us at 2-0 up than wrongly go down to 10 men with 20 minutes to play at 0-0. If we were 1-0 down and our opponents scored a goal thanks to a blind linesman and our retarded keeper with 4 minutes to go, would I feel like we had a leg to stand on when we didn’t create anything ourselves and lost 2-0 instead?
Shitty decisions happen. It’s how you respond to them that matters. To reduce a team with players of Spurs’ quality to two tame shots on target over 90 minutes at their place is an achievement for United. To continue to keep those players out after a player was wrongly sent off is all the more impressive. Take that as a compliment.
The reaction from Spurs fans to decisions that go against them against United borders on hysterical. Making reference to that in light of what could have been a match defining decision against us doesn’t warrant a falling out pal. No harm done.
http://www.spurs.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7507166
I am just so mad at Rafael. Such a talent. His attacking play is just such a credit to the lad. But for the love of pete, he has got to stop giving up fouls. Mike Dean was crap, but I tell you what, there was nothing wrong with his eyesight on Rafaels first yellow. Some view would say that our RB was a lucky lad not be have been sent off. He did the same thing against Liverpool, gave away an unnecessary yellow which then could have cost him later. Hope Sir Alex has a word, this could have cost us as it did in the Champions league last year. After the sending off, the arguing with the ref, the yellow for dissent to WR10 (who put in a shift today) both really really poor. Not the United way.
Sorry lads, I’m still ranting. Need a beer.
reds outplayed and second best most of the game..a vidic pen against vdv ….big shirt pulling that any champs league ref wouldnt let you get away with – no complaints surely but TH are surely as you could see playing the best football …. points and wins needed for sure, but what a turn around from previous seasons…. lovely
I don’t believe this how can anyone be mad at Rafael – he didn’t do anything wrong – it was never a red card – he was by far the best player on the pitch – will you lot stop blaming Rafael! It was the ref – right from the start he was eyeing our players – almost as if waiting for them to do something wrong so that he could book them – come on watch the whole game again and you will see the ref’s performance.
Rafa’s red cad is not the real issue in the game, what is most obvious is how weak our central midfield is,
we were over run again and for large parts of the first half we were reduced to playing long ball football, it doesn’t take a blind man to see that we can’t play 4-4-2 against a strong team and win. Our beat formation is 4-5-1 with rooney as the lone striker, the combination of fletcher and carrick can’t dominate a midfiled, fletcher lacks guile and creativity, carrick has flattered to deceive since his poor performance in the champion league finals, anderson makes strong runs from midfield but is still rough around the edges and is game still needs developing our most creative midfielder is scholes but a is age he can’t go up and down the field any more. Therefore we don’t have the midfield to effectively play 4-4-2. All season what as be pushing us forward is our wing play and our defense, the wing play was not good enough today nani didn’t look up for it but neither giggs for that matter but with nothing coming out of the center they didn’t really see much of the ball
Sajjidad, Sorry but you just have to take a step back. First, it was not a red. It was a second yellow. My point was that he didn’t need to give away the first yellow. Once a player is on a first yellow, things can go wrong from almost nothing. Agreed the second yellow was out of nothing, but the first, he was lucky to be on the pitch. The lad is playing out of his skin. But at at the level of United, you just have to take a completely different view of yellows. The lad let himself down and will grow from this. But to say he didn’t deserve the card because he was the best player shows a bit of flipancy about the rules. Might expect that in La Liga, but not in the prem. Rafael gave away a careless yellow in the Liverpool game and has on other occasions. I am just saying that I hope he can grow from this and cut these out of his game. If Vida or Rio had given away a free kick like this, we would have lost. The reason we love them is because they virtually never give away anything. Only saying that Rafael needs to work on this part of his game.
Cheers
I am a Tottenham supporter, who was at the game..
You are all moaning about the “Red Card”. It was in fact a second yellow, and thoroughly deserved. When I saw it at the time, I suspected rthat Ekotto had dived, but your video shows beyond any doubt that Rafael ran across the back of Ekotto and caught him deliberately. Thank you for that. In any event the first yellow was worthy of a straight red. It was a diabolical two-footed lunge. That apart I was very impressed with Rafael going forward but he was regularly roasted by Bale down the wing, whose crosses were regularly spurned by the rest of the Tottenham team. How we lack a good striker! In my view your two central defenders were magnificent throughout the game, though both your full backs were suspect defensively. As usual Giggs and Rooney were superb, and Rooney just about kept a lid on his anger, which was good to see. Giggs must be a shoo-in for a kinghthood when he retires – a wonderful player. As a Tottenham supporter I thought that nevertheless Modric was the stand-out performer in the match. Hands off!!
Point taken fletch but the intention of the player was not to foul . The problem was definitely the ref. He has done this to us before when he did not allow us an obvious penalty – I think it was the liverpool game. Players like Rafael, Rooney and Andersen play with a lot of passion, so a good ref. will see the difference but here was an official who was out to get us right from the start of the game.
Mate united got every decision go tiger way today. Rafael shud av been straight off for the first one
How could United have reduced the likelyhood of the second yellow for Raphael?
Should they have donated vast sums of money to referee training camps?
Else, Raphael could refrain from running right behind the ball-carrier when on a yellow card.
as a spurs fan i agree it was never a sending off. you should flattered that it means so much for sides like us to take points off you as you are right you are still the team to beat.I thought we gave you a good game and a draw was about right.
I like Spooky, his is the only other football blog I read apart from ROM.
Spurs444 and John White You spurs fans deserve your pride. Things are improving at the lane. But your only talent today was running at us. The final balls were off and the finishing, well, non existent. But to be brutally honest the finishing was off for from both ends. Dean was out of his league. Fair credit to both defenses for playing well. Modric was your MOM, I would say Vidic for us.
Fair credit to you for challenging the top 4. Think there is a ways to go to have the depth to consistenly battle at the top (which you are doing) and maintaining that to the end of the season. Think you are now slipped to 5th innit? That is the challenge then. To say you are going to be in the top 4 at the end of May you have to say that one of the top 4 is not going to be there. United, Arsenal and Chelsie are there right now. So who is going to be there as well. Please feel free to beat the crap out of Arsenal, Man City, and Chelsea in the final half. You can do Liverpool as well. We will be rooting for you.
Say what you like John White. The second yellow was harsh as Rafael was clearly trying to get out of the way. Top refs just have to use some sense and Dean didn’t.
If the ref had been desperate to send Rafa off as some on here suggest, he would have done it in the first half by giving him a straight red for the tackle he got a yellow for, or by giving him a second yellow when after being fouled by Palacious, he twice within the space of 20 seconds gave the ref the imaginary card sign before rightly being sorted out by Rio.
After being sent off, he told the ref to F… off twice and kicked the microphone.
More red cards coming his way unless he learns some self-control.
According to the Telegraph, even Redknapp has said he thought the red card was harsh. “He was just running and he has clipped Benoît’s heels. He has not broken his stride and stuck a leg out, saying ‘I’ll trip him’. He was trying to get out of the way.”
Corea @ 19:28: “@denton davey – hi. what do you make of Fletch performance ? should Fergie play him or drop to the reserves to learn his trade ?”
I don’t agree with you at all.
The “problem” that Darren Fletcherinho has when playing with Michael Carrick is that Carrick is, for all intents and purposes, another central defender so that UTD are playing with – for all intents and purposes – one central midfielder and two wingers and two strikers and two full-backs who are often dashing forwards and are essentially also wingers.
For a large parts of this match – and many others – UTD’s formation was some sort of 2-1-1-4-2. This leaves Darren Fletcherinho isolated and in a kind of no-man’s-land, stuck between the three defenders and the six attackers.
That’s why it’s a huge ask for him to control the ball and distribute it efficiently while trying to stem the tide – not least because there is often no outlet for him. What complicates matters in assessing Fletcherinho’ s performances is that Michael Carrick was damned effective in his screening role which contributed largely to stemming most of Spurs’ attacks before they got into the danger area.
Damn it – I just deleted a couple of paragraphs ! Oh, well, such is life,
Also, let’s not forget the basic elemental fact – FIRST, unbeaten, games in hand, best goal difference. Not bad for a bunch of “crap invincibles”.
The other problem is, he isn’t a DM. He’s a box to box CM, and he hasn’t been able to prove that this season. He’s sort of stuck between the 2 stools, wanting to get forward, but worrying about covering at the back. Saying all that, he’s not passing the ball as well this season either, the simples things seem beyond him, were it came naturally last season.
Mike Dean -Man in black.
http://wtf.thebizzare.com/images/cow-washing-machin_1459826i.jpg
Diabolical decision by mike dean, hardly touched that cunt assou ekotto and he gets sent off, only one game so maybe the rest will make him come back with more valuable experience, rafael is certainly developing and will be the complete full back in the nearer future, he is an outstanding young player with the manchester united mentality clearly ingrained into him, i can’t wait to see him become a great along with our other young players.
Sky psorts news is reporting that apparently there was some trouble after the match with spurs security staff refusing to let rafael onto the team bus until he gave them Bale back again!
if you watch the clip carefully you will see the sours guyus slow down slightly and his foot goes wobbly before rafael makes contact.
Vidic was a giant today, he is just getting better and better each week. If Rafael should have been sent offf in the 1st half then Crouch should also have got a red card as well, exactly the same tackle, but Dean didn’t even book him. In the tackle rafael studs were not showing and he did get the ball.
Bad judgement by Rafael for the first…needless in my opinion, but the second was a fucking outrage. The real worry for me is that our fiesty RB is building a bit of a reputation with refs…they will instinctively think he is in the wrong on the 50-50s, subconsciously thinking, “Ohh, Rafael, he can be reckless, you know…”. I hope that doesnt happen. On his performance today – immense is a fucking understatement. His runs forward would have mad a ball-playing top winger proud, and hid defensive work was top notch. Bale was in the mood, make no mistake, but he kept him pretty quiet. Not as quiet as OT, but damned good job.
@denton davey – with what you don’t agree ? ) i actually put some brackets there, mate. I think Fergie should play him and we will see the former player.
He made the mistake with the first yellow.
The second was a foul , that was enough, it was not deliberate, but dean left his mark on the game.
We were lucky to survive with 10 men on the pitch.
Cud have snatched a win if our boys upfront were better today.
People say that it was bad judgment on Rafa’s part for the first yellow card…and for that matter…for most of the yellow cards he’s received in his short career. I agree…Rafa can be a bit reckless…but you know what?…I’d much rather that he learns it the hard the way. His recklessness stems from his ruthlessness on the field, his tenacity, his passion, his utter willingness to make the tackle that most people would shy away from. You can always learn to be a bit calmer and a bit wiser when making tackles. But you can NEVER teach anyone how to be ruthless and committed and tenacious in football. Just ask Roy Keane and Gary Neville.
Rafa is DA MAN…everybody else can sod off, Mike Dean included.
Clearly our best player yesterday. Hes starting to get an unfair reputation, that sending off was a fucking joke. The commentators were completely fucking biased and Im going to fuck that Andy Townsend with a scabby old badgers cock up his arse and you bet it will be fucking youtubed. What is he, is he Irish, English. He looks like hed sell you a fucking Dyson. He looks like a fadded photograph of Winnie Mandelas minge. Who did that Paul Merson wannabe fuck to get to pollute my TV. Cunt.
Mike Dean is at fault, but Rafael’s is to blame.
Corea @ 19:28 – I’ve thought some more about my comment (@ 22:44) and think that something else needs to be said. That is, SAF seems to have identified the Spurs’ flank-men as the potential danger so he “doubled-up” against them. This tactic kept Assou-Ekoto/Bale and Hutton/Lennon in check – leaving Rio/Vidic/Carrick to deal with Crouch/VDV/Modric – BUT by also playing two strkers, this left the central midfield weaker and somewhat “hollow”. In this circumstance, Fletcherinho was left isolated.
On a related point, for all the flak that UTD received for the “insipid” nature of the attacking play, Gomes was forced to make two very good saves against WayneRooney – the first one in the opening sequence when Rooney shot but, really, should have squared the ball to Ryan Giggs who was completely unmarked on the penalty spot (easier said that done, I know); and the second one in the first few minutes of the second half when Gomes acrobatically sprawled to turn aside Rooney’s shot. These were both excellent chances – the Spurs had two excellent chances: Crouch went wide to the right and later VDV headed wide left.
So, for all their possession, Spurs did nothing more than UTD. AND for all the pffaf about Luca Modric – the Guardian has an embarassingly fulsome tribute to his “contribution” – Modric did squat except move the ball around the perimeter. The praise heaped on Modric amuses me – sure, he’s good “but he ain’t all that,” if you know what I mean.
but he ain’t all that, if you know what I mean. What do you mean? He wasn’t out of this world yesterday, but he’s a top player denton. You must have a blind spot concerning Modric, if you can’t see he’s a very good player. He put our 2 CM in the shade, that’s for sure. He’s not the finished article yet, but don’t doubt for one minute, that if SAF could get Modric to United, he’d sign him in a heartbeat.
Modric got motm over Vidic, but Vidic deserved it for the clean sheet – he did hi job and couldn’t have done much more. Obviousy Rafael was a contender too. Had Modric had a hand in a goal then he would have deserved motm. Home advantage too.
Modric was their best player, Vidic was our best player. Bale, Nani and VDV were the big let downs. Both defenses were on top, for the most of the game, so that’s not surprising.
With Rafael suspended I reckon “Fabio” could do a job at right back against Brum
That second yellow card was really harsh. The ref was fairly garbage yesterday.
Welsh_United
Better Fabio at left back and Evra left wing or rested.
Think Welsh-United means ‘fabio’ rather than Fabio ie Rafael appearing as his brother lol very good. ‘WE’VE GOT HIS FFKIN TWIN’
will Rio Ferdinand tweet a picture of Mike Dean wearing a Spurs shirt?
you’re too funny scott lol
It would seem most agree that Rafael played very well against Spurs, and that Gary played poorly against West Brom. However…
Gary’s experience and quality enabled him to avert the clear goal from Dorrans without drawing the due automatic red card and penalty.
Rafael’s youthful narcissism is excusable only by his age. With nothing to gain he ran past the back of Assou-Ekotto ‘accidentally’ clipping his heels, while on yellow.
Also, re-look at the incident, starting 2 seconds before the contact. Rafael chooses to cut in field towards the ball, as initially he hasn’t seen Ekotto. Had he run down the line rather he could have got goal-side of Ekotto, where no foul could have been drawn. Gary would be too slow for that option, and too experienced to draw the foul that Rafael did.
We had our best-4 defenders on display, and they did everything we could have asked for.
No regrets about Rafael’s Red mist. Only thanks that Sir Alex will ensure that his natural aggression is honed, not hounded out of him.
“Only thanks that Sir Alex will ensure that his natural aggression is honed, not hounded out of him.” the line a agree with with. on the rest you already know.
Thanks Corea, for the gentle let-down!
@smartalex – credit when it’s due pal. great line and couldn’t have said it much better. ) so hands down )
WillieRedNut @ 14:24: “He wasn’t out of this world yesterday, but he’s a top player denton. You must have a blind spot concerning Modric,”
I confess to that – he’s not my cup of tea. It’s only my opinion but I think he’s massively over-rated.
As I said denton, blind spot.
@denton,willie surely you are better than that )
corea @ 20:37: “surely you are better than that ” – who ? me or Willie ?
@denton davey – both of you. )
Corea – Slight disagreement between me and denton, nothing else. It’d be boring as hell, if we agreed on everything lol.
Yeah i am on the fence ) I am just happy we still have Scholesy because i will cry when he retires.
Saw this on another ESPNsoccernet;
“Fergie could just continue to play Rafael the next game but give him the Fabio20 shirt. “Suspension” problem solved. Just kidding.”
I LOL’d