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Scott is the editor of Red Matters - 50 Years of Supporting Manchester United and an author of Play Like Fergie's Boys and Not Nineteen Forever. He writes for ESPN, The Metro and Bleacher Report. Follow @R_o_M on Twitter.

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186 Comments

  1. CC says:

    For all those saying Kagawa has to prove himself – well maybe he is afraid to because he found that last time he scored a superb hat-trick he was dropped for a month.

  2. Red Devil Disciple says:

    I”ve being racking my mind trying to figure out how to play Kagawa,Rooney,and RVP together.?any ideas people???

  3. John says:

    @Ash…John or Jones, i never commented about Thiago !

  4. Rukky says:

    Giggs played beautifully yesterday but the talk about giggs about giggs proving some wrong is rather short sighted. One thing about give over many years of scrunity is his constant show of quality but we played against sociediad incase u’re getting carried away and want him in cmf in the epl. On the kagawa debate i think samuel couldnt said it any better. The system simply has to be changed to fluid interchangable system, imo only SAF truely mastered the 4-4-2 at the top level in the modern era.

  5. John says:

    @Red Devil Disciple: 4-1-2-1-2 formation.. Kagawa behind Rooney and RVP.

  6. Jones says:

    Ash

    I’m not accusing Moyes for everything. I still have my doubts about global warming and the crisis in the Middle East. But as far as being an incompetent manager, I’m stating facts. I did say apparently because the stories have been mixed. But all indications are that there definitely was contact and the main deciding factor was being slow to move. Pep himself indicated that he moved in for Thiago a little later when United had already been involved. Thiago’s father who is also his agent claims United were slow and indecisive. Whatever happened there was a good opportunity to sign him even before the U-21 competition. After deadline day there was an article in the Guardian which revealed that Moyes was reluctant to sign Thiago because he wasn’t too sure about him. This seems to be a recurring theme with DM. Being unsure and indecisive. Capello talked about Moyes calling him to find out about De Rossi. Roma’s coach Garcia confirmed that United were too slow to sign him. Why would a manager who has supposedly in depth knowledge of the game,be enquiring about a player like De Rossi? You just make an offer for him. He should have done his homework throughout June and started July with a definite plan. Slow,unsure,indecisive. Then comes the apparent offer of Ozil as revealed by The Guardian. Two weeks before he went to Arsenal,it’s reported Real offered Ozil to both Manchester clubs and both turned him down. Then the panic of Deadline Day. Khedhira confirmed the £40m bid. Galatasaray confirmed that United made an offer for Sneidjer.

    Now in all this there is one clear truth and revelation. Moyes is a very unsure manager and whilst everyone was on Woodward’s back and rightly so,Moyes’ contribution has been overlooked. He is the one that said the squad he has is capable before the season began. Then we get thrashed by City and he says there is no quality in the squad.But he has to be persuaded about the quality he already has in players like Kagawa and Januzaj. You have to remember he came here and said when he came people kept propping up Januzaj and I think his inclusion had more to do with pressure he was getting from the scouts and youth coaches because he kept saying “people here” kept telling him about how high Januzaj is regarded at United. The same with Kagawa. Before the preseason game in Japan he also said “people here” are raving about Kagawa. Last night’s comments he says same thing. So what worries me is he has to consult a lot in order for seemingly elementary things to be done. He enquires about De Rossi, a well known class midfielder ranked amongst the best. He has to be told about Kagawa’s qualities. What also worries me is what did he himself see in Ashley Young,Valencia and Giggs that justified his decision to play them so much. They have been at best average. He is still unsure about what team he should play and how. You wonder then what he has been doing since he came. Pellegrini,Martino,Benitez,Mourinho,Ancellotti, all started their jobs around the same time or even later than Moyes and all seem to already have their respective houses in order by now. So I shouldn’t criticise Moyes when all he has consistently been is Indecisive,unsure and slow?

  7. martin the Nairobian says:

    @Jones spot on mate about kagawa.
    I fucking hate the double standards moyes applies with kagawa.Half a game to prove himself on the left.If he isn’t m.o.m its back to the bench.
    Come Rooney Valencia young and Cleverley. All given a chance to play themselves to form.such a biased basis that is.
    Perfect scenario …WAYNE ROONEY WAS SHITE VS SOTON. Yet he started vs sociedad like nothing happened.
    If that had been kagawa ooohh Deary me.He’d get back into the team in late November. Thats the double standard clueless moyes needs to stop applying ..
    @ Samuel
    Yes Rooney rvp januzaj nani and kagawa can play together in a fluid system . No doubt about that.Lets assume a 4- 2-3-1 formation.
    Fitst The no. 10 role.You are too blind to see kagawa and to some extent januzaj are better than your beloved Rooney in this position. So if they competed fairly for that role Rooney would definitely lose out.
    Next the right sided attacking spot. Nani and januzaj are the clear favorites here. One of them should occupy that role preferably nani.
    Next the left sided attacking spot.A fight between kagawa nani Rooney and januzaj.
    again nani and januzaj edge this out because of their superior technical skills and ability to dribble past opponents.Kagawa and Rooney tie for this role.None of them really effective playing there .
    Finally the lead striker position.Rvp Rooney and chicha competing for this role.On current form Rooney edges it .Looking back though, rvp is the more accomplished striker from the three.
    Even in a fluid system with interchanging players you have to start the game with the best player for each position.
    Taking for example Chelsea. Hazard starts on the left,Oscar at no. 10 and mostly mata on the right.
    Etoo or torres leading the line.
    In Uniteds situation, Nani is the best candidate forthe right side spot,januzaj the best candidate for the left side slot,kagawa the best candidate for the no. 10 role and RVP the best candidate for the lead striker role.
    sadly for England’s golden boy Wayne Rooney he isn’t the best candidate for any of the 4 attacking spots on the team.Rvp better striker.kagawa better playmaker. Januzaj and nani better wide players in a 4-2-3-1.
    Samuel and co can’t fathom the idea of Rooney on the bench.in a fluid system as you clearly advocate for your Rooney is the least suited in that formation.
    At best Rooney is rvp’s or kagawa’s sub.Too hard to swallow for the large number rooney sympathisers around.

  8. martin the Nairobian says:

    @Jones spot on mate about kagawa.
    I fucking hate the double standards moyes applies with kagawa.Half a game to prove himself on the left.If he isn’t m.o.m its back to the bench.
    Come Rooney Valencia young and Cleverley. All given a chance to play themselves to form.such a biased basis that is.
    Perfect scenario …WAYNE ROONEY WAS SHITE VS SOTON. Yet he started vs sociedad like nothing happened.
    If that had been kagawa ooohh Deary me.He’d get back into the team in late November. Thats the double standard clueless moyes needs to stop applying ..
    @ Samuel
    Yes Rooney rvp januzaj nani and kagawa can play together in a fluid system . No doubt about that.Lets assume a 4- 2-3-1 formation.
    Fitst The no. 10 role.You are too blind to see kagawa and to some extent januzaj are better than your beloved Rooney in this position. So if they competed fairly for that role Rooney would definitely lose out.
    Next the right sided attacking spot. Nani and januzaj are the clear favorites here. One of them should occupy that role preferably nani.
    Next the left sided attacking spot.A fight between kagawa nani Rooney and januzaj.
    again nani and januzaj edge this out because of their superior technical skills and ability to dribble past opponents.Kagawa and Rooney tie for this role.None of them really effective playing there .
    Finally the lead striker position.Rvp Rooney and chicha competing for this role.On current form Rooney edges it .Looking back though, rvp is the more accomplished striker from the three.
    Even in a fluid system with interchanging players you have to start the game with the best player for each position.
    Taking for example Chelsea. Hazard starts on the left,Oscar at no. 10 and mostly mata on the right.
    Etoo or torres leading the line.
    In Uniteds situation, Nani is the best candidate forthe right side spot,januzaj the best candidate for the left side slot,kagawa the best candidate for the no. 10 role and RVP the best candidate for the lead striker role.
    sadly for England’s golden boy Wayne Rooney he isn’t the best candidate for any of the 4 attacking spots on the team.Rvp better striker.kagawa better playmaker. Januzaj and nani better wide players in a 4-2-3-1.
    Samuel and co can’t fathom the idea of Rooney on the bench.in a fluid system as you clearly advocate for your Rooney is the least suited in that formation.
    At best Rooney is rvp’s or kagawa’s sub.Too hard to swallow for the large number rooney sympathisers around.

  9. mara says:

    @Dannysoya…agree about Kagawa, he just needed time and games. Was that hard to see that from Moyes?

  10. reality check says:

    Hello. Arsenal fan here. Dont worry im not here to beef anyone. Just
    Like to debate the issues. Interesting to see other fans perspective
    On things.

    Since you took rvp from us I’ve been watching utd more closely to see
    How things go. Imo rooney is the problem. Rvp up top. Shinji in the hole.
    Its a no brainer. But it seems as if moyes is a bit scared to make the obvious desicion

    When i watch rooney, its like he doesn’t know where he wants to play. Stick
    Him upfront. He drops ect.

  11. kanchelskis says:

    @mjcRED

    Your preferred lineup involves no Van Persie?

  12. Sparkz says:

    Tbh, most teams have that “double standard” or whatever you wanna call it. There’s always some players that get treated differently.

    Heck, last season I was complaining about how RVP and Valencia kept playing even when they went through weeks or months of poor form….yet the likes of Cleverley, Kagawa and Nani would get dropped after 1 bad game.

    Likewise Giggs and RVP would play the whole game even when performing badly….yet Cleverley, Kagawa, Nani and Rooney would regularly be subbed.

    The point I’m trying to make is that this isn’t just a David Moyes thing. It happens at pretty much all clubs, and yes, it happened last season with Fergie as well.

  13. John says:

    David Moyes is a hardworking humble man. Give Moyes time..!!

  14. Tommy says:

    @Ash

    Both Guillem Balague and Graham Hunter have both said Thiago turned Pep down a month before eventually signing for them, They both said the turning point was when he met Moyes and David did not show enough belief in him! Of course he is now going to say he was always going to go one place because hes signed for them!

  15. The Truth says:

    @Sparkz

    It’s you who is being selective or maybe just misunderstanding what Fergie said. Yes he was clearly aware of Ozil but claims he had no interest in signing him and made no attempt to do so, for the reason you stated (plan for a Rooney-Hernandez frontline) but this contradicts what you’re suggesting, namely that Sir Alex “decided not to sign Ozil in 2010 because we didnt need a Number 10″ which according to you is “the same thing” as Moyes being offered Ozil and turning the opportunity down.

    By your definition Sir Alex also decided not to sign Messi, or decided not to sign Zidane. You make it sound like he could have had Ozil at the click of his fingers. The reality, as I posted the other night when you brought this up, is that United have no chance of beating Real Madrid to any player’s signature.

    Now, being offered Ozil’s services after he had decided to leave Madrid and with us allegedly his preferred option is a different story. Personally I think Fergie would have gone for him, considering his logic behind our surprise move for Robin Van Persie: “when a great player becomes available and you feel United should have him you have to go for him.”

  16. The Truth says:

    @Tommy

    Thanks for reminding us! So we could have had an attacking trio of Thiago, Kagawa and Ozil supporting RVP up front. It’s fucking fantasy football isn’t it? Managers like Wenger, Guardiola and Klopp would give anything for those kind of options! How lucky were we to get David Moyes? That’s right Dave, stick to what you know. Turn them down, sign Fellaini for 30 million. Nice one Dave.

  17. parryheid says:

    C C

    My My is that the stamping of feet I hear? Watch you don’t bang the door on your petted lip.

  18. WeAreUnited says:

    @the truth

    go do one you piss take.

    We have RVP Kagawa Rooney Nani and Januzaj, it’s no worse than those you mentioned.

    Of course Thiago would have been perfect but we got our own Januzaj to make the loss of him. In Özil we have Kagawa just that Moyes needs now to play him as a 10 though that’s a problem because Rooney is hard t o drop (not for me) but for Moyes.

    So we have not missed anything, and if you really think we are not progressing then you’re much more of a fool than Ithought.

  19. John says:

    Give Moyes time!!..He is a hard working young british man!!.

  20. Jesper Olsen says:

    &the truth…. Odious twat… That’s all

  21. Andromeda says:

    Stuff of beauty from Wayne Rooney, unlucky to be considered as own goal, he gave it a great enthusiasm and determination.Happy for Kagawa, he is gradually turning into a top top player, would love to have a footage that will summarize his magnificent performance.

  22. WeAreUnited says:

    @mjRed

    you would drop RVP? ARE YOU MAD, how the hell can you drop one of the best strikers in the world technically and goal-wise? Rooney is the one who should be dropped if anyone of our strikers.

    As for Kagawa vs Rooney I would pick Kagawa and drop Rooney BUT!!!

    The thing is though Januzaj is 18 so he won’t play every game, if he plays, then he’s the first pick for that left-side and Kagawa should be behind RVP/Rooney.
    BUT Moyes will not drop Rooney from that 10 spot and that is why Kagawa should start on the left if not Januzaj, also RVP no matter what deserves his spot, he can produce magic and will come good, or he looses more form.

    The dilemma and the positive problem is that, We have now Januzaj confusing the pack, because otherwise Kagawa is the obvious left-side player, Nani RW and ROoney with RVP, but when Januzaj is in form, Kagawa is better at the 10 spot and ROoney is betetr as a 9, but RVP can’t be dropped from there so Rooney should be dropped.

    Anyway, I see it as a positive problem, whoever plays, I hope Januzaj gets the chance and the main focus of our squad in 2-3 years. So I just hope Moyes also realises not to drop Nani or Kagawa and give Kagawa more playing time as a 10 for 4-5 games.

    but yeah, CMON YOU REDS!

  23. John says:

    It is ridiculous to see people criticizing moyes for not signing ozil and Thiago..It is obvious because we have Rooney and Cleverly who are hard workers, industrious, no-nonsense approach, that fighting spirit..Felliani shall do well too scoring headers and sometimes with shoulders and even with chest..These are all hardworkers and it will take time for team bonding.

  24. WeAreUnited says:

    @John you hardworking troll.

    what is this comment about? who you are responding to? Ashh Jones or yourself?`about Thiago. Did I bust you? did you forget to change the username like NBI did once? is this a mistke from you? did you slip? OMG:

    October 24, 2013 at 12:08
    John says:

    @Ash…John or Jones, i never commented about Thiago !

  25. John says:

    @WeAreUnited…mate, I have joined the bandwagon to give moyes atleast a season because he is a young british man and is absolutely humble..He is a family man and has that toughness about him and he will do a fantastic job as a good family man.

  26. vinnyacardo86 says:

    A solution to play rooney and kagawa effectively will be to focus our attacking strengths slightly to the left hand side with rooney and kagawa interchanging and evra providing overlap options. the purchase of baines in January can be useful too. One of the two CMs role will be to mop up and break up play coming from the oppositon’s right hand atack.

  27. vinnyacardo86 says:

    carrick seems best fit for the LCM role i think with fellaini/cleverly on the right (RCM) partnering with rafael/fabio/valncia (RB) and nani/januzaj/valencia/zaha (RM/RAM). what do you guys think?
    Regards

  28. Sparkz says:

    he Truth says:
    @Sparkz

    It’s you who is being selective or maybe just misunderstanding what Fergie said. Yes he was clearly aware of Ozil but claims he had no interest in signing him and made no attempt to do so, for the reason you stated (plan for a Rooney-Hernandez frontline) but this contradicts what you’re suggesting, namely that Sir Alex “decided not to sign Ozil in 2010 because we didnt need a Number 10″ which according to you is “the same thing” as Moyes being offered Ozil and turning the opportunity down.

    —————————————————————————————————————————————

    Fergie decided not to attempt signing Ozil because he wanted Rooney to be his Number 10 (Rooney-hernandez frontline). So clearly Fergie saw no need for a Number 10 right?

    Moyes decided not to pursue ozil for the same reason. Because tbh, we’re even stronger in that position than we were 3 years ago. In addition to Rooney we have Kagawa and a highly promising Januzaj.

    So yes…both of them decided not to pursue Ozil. Because both of them were happy with the Number 10 options they have at their disposal.

  29. Mr C says:

    @Jones 11:08 -well said.
    Some of the comments posted about Kagawa naive albeit understandable coming from the lay public as it were. However the comments made about Kagawa given his capacity as our manager were downright inept and unprofessional. The comments re Rooney being needed as backup to RVP, needed 5 world class players to win the CL were similarly unwise. Moyes would do better sometimes to engage brain before opening gob to the Abu media.

  30. Mr C says:

    whoops posting from phone – mucho typos…the long and the short of it though is that Moyes needs to think more and talk less.

  31. The Truth says:

    @Sparkz

    Yes mate but Moyes was (allegedly) given first refusal on Ozil, Fergie was not. That’s why Moyesy gets flak for it!

  32. King Eric says:

    Truth – You really are an odious cunt spreading your bile on here. Go slit your throat . Fergie watched Ozil at Craven Cottage when Werder Bremen played there pre season. You think you are a right clever, funny comedian. You are a snide horrible bastard who NEVER got back to me to meet at the Chelsea game.

    John – You are a fucking clown my friend.

  33. dragon_beast_false prophet (PROONEY) says:

    Utd have to win to stay competitive. This is the best position you want to be in. The petro fuelled clubs have that extra bit of leeway coz they know the won’t crash and burn at the littlest downturn in on pitch fortunes. This is why most people ascribe our title wins as being the result of other teams playing crap. I love RvP yet I am not blind to see that playing him causes us to perform inflexibly with all players manning their preordered stations. That system can only take us as far as the cl semi finals before we get found out by creme de la creme sides. Unpredictability is the key to winning the cl. RvP, in my calculations, will be off come next summer. Of that I am certain.

  34. The Truth says:

    “Ozil was not on our radar.” Sir Alex Ferguson

  35. WeAreUnited says:

    @KingEric

    the truth and John are the same person, I caught John commenting to himself so probably tried to comment as The truth. But ditto my friend.

    I hope Scott realises and puts and end of him, ban him or smth like that, because it’s not even funny anymore for my like.

  36. King Eric says:

    Tommy – Yep because Ballague and Hunter are always to be believed. Paor of fucking bullshitters.

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