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Scott is the editor of Red Matters - 50 Years of Supporting Manchester United and an author of Play Like Fergie's Boys and Not Nineteen Forever. He writes for ESPN, The Metro and Bleacher Report. Follow @R_o_M on Twitter.

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  1. Costas says:

    @Mr C

    Didn’t think he was particulary bad today. He was just trying to cover 2 positions it seemed. Anyway, the point I was making was that certain players are automatic selections because they have a reputation for being leaders or matchwinners. Rooney is one of them. I don’t like any player feeling secure about their position either, but players like Rooney (or Evra for that matter) play no mattter what because they can offer that something extra. For me, Berbatov’s reduced game time in the last 12 months wasn’t a result of Hernandez or Welbeck’s emergence. It was because Rooney’s future was settled and he regained his form.

  2. slim says:

    Mr C

    indeed. thats exactly what i get worried about. I mentioned that if Fergie’s going 4-4-2. Roo shouldn’t be or anyone else for that matter be a starter. I feel he could have done a better job rotating the front 4. Then again injuries in the middle of the park and defense – having Phil Jones flirt with both areas doesn’t help. Not to sound like a wet blanket or anything but i’m not impressed with wayne wonder. Gave Carrick stick early in the season when i was calling out the senior players but he’s shut me up big time – all ready voted him player of the year for United. A Welbeck Berbatov partnership looks tasty too. Shame we haven’t seen more of it

  3. slim says:

    On Defoes miss which was ahem “”unfortunate” i actually think Bale could have played him in earlier his touch leading up to the final ball was always going to make it a stretch. spurs players were gutted at the end, felt sorry for them even

  4. slim says:


    Unfortunately i wouldn’t accord Rooney that status,because all i see is some extra hair and a few pounds- okay not fair. he does some pretty hard running during games but thats not the issue here. Assuming for a minute that Berbs been fit and rained well, would it have been so bad for him to start a few games, come off for the second or come on for Roo or welbz in the 2nd? Its the gaffers decisions i’ll leave it to him but its almost as mind boggling as Wenger taking off Ox in the second half. Why take of the bet player you’ve got on the pitch. Only he can answer or justify that

  5. WillieRedNut says:

    Fergie’s done a great job rotating players. Maybe over doing it at times. He prefers Rooney with Welbeck. Hernandez and Berba could be partnered up next week. Those 2 need some game. Liverpool away in the cup is the perfect opportunity.

  6. slim says:


    With the way the lads were limping , i wouldn’t be surprised. We’ll see what the chemistry is like when we slot in 2 players who’ve hardly had a sniff

  7. Red Nation says:

    Sir Alex please buy us a defender Please.
    Jones out, Vidic out, Rio out, Rafa is glass and fabio is like tissue.
    We are really short only Evans,Smalling,Evra. Tony can’t play RB now, its not fair on him or utd.

    We need to sign a defender, ANYONE, Rodwell, Nathanial Clyne, Samba, Alex, Dann, Hummels, Rami….anything on loan if we can’t buy !

    Asking for a midfielder is now a lost cause, we don’t have the resources,man-power or scouting sense for this position just look at Veron,Djemba,Kleberson,Smith,Anderson.

    But in defence we have struck gold, we need one.
    How I miss John O’Shea, even Wesley would have saved us now.

    CMON Sir Alex !
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    Imagine our line up next Sat if the worst is confrimed on Friday:

    Rafael Smalling Evans Evra
    Valencia Ando Giggs Pak
    Welbeck Rooney

    Subs; Gea, Fabio, Fryers Scholes, Rio , Chiccha, Berba

  8. WillieRedNut says:

    slim – Berbatov has started games recently. Wigan, Blackburn and Newcastle spring to mind. We’d all like to see more, but the boss has went with Rooney/Welbeck axis last couple games. Not sure Wayne dropping so deep into midfield is helping his scoring instincts either. Many runs did he make into Arsenal’s box? Remember the goal he scored at Arsenal 2 years ago? It was Danny making those runs. He was a menace to them all game.

  9. slim says:

    tell you the truth mate, i couldn’t give a toss about Roo’s scoring exploits. i see the lad as much much more than that, i’m more concerned about what he brings to the team and i’m afraid i’m simply not impressed with what i’ve seen from him so far

  10. WillieRedNut says:

    slim – He brings alot to the team, when in form. He just ain’t in the groove lately. I think Cleverley’s return will help Rooney in that regard. Help the whole team, in fact.

  11. slim says:


    that my friend i think we can both agree, can’t come soon enough

  12. samuel - united WE stand says:

    Lets all calm with the pressure placed on cleverly. He’s only just breaking into the team himself.

  13. sixfeetunder says:


    I don’t think DDG is coming back to the pitch soon enough. He’s short sighted according to reports and has to undergo eye surgery but Lindegaard was good in that game.

    However, United’s really picking up on the injuries. I mean Jones out, Nani out and Rooney after an elbow to the back. Clearly 3 injuries in one game is something of the odds. We’ll just have to hope that their injuries aren’t serious and they can start playing the next game.

    Giggs cross toward Valencia was sexy man. The way the ball curved away from the post. Shit It was awesome.

  14. samuel - united WE stand says:

    I’ve always battered Rooney when he hasn’t performed but against arsenal, to be fair to him, he was kicked off the park and pretty much got marked out of the game. Didn’t get to be influential and i’m sure he knows he can do better.

  15. NBI Red Onion says:

    Great win. Rooney has played 3 different positions this term. His best season was when he played lead striker consistently. His versatility may not be helping him make a position his own and completely master it.

    Great to see Scholes back our best CM (Carrick is a DM). Cleverly learn from the master. Scholes and Cleverly together would be the closest we get to Xavi an Inesta.

    Valencia MOTD. Evra back to his best. Rafael miles better at RB than Jones positionally though both bomb forward a bit, Rafael is far more aware most of the time and a damn quick nipper.

    Smalling is our next generation defensive star. Can’t see Rio’s back letting him go on to much longer but he has been a great great servant, the best in the world when fit.

  16. samuel - united WE stand says:

    Why do people have to come out with sob stories for dimitar berbatov?. Oh boo, he hasn’t started a lot of games, our hearts must shatter. He’ll have to play now because he looks “Down and upset”.

    Surely berbatov knew what he was signing up for when he joined united?. There is intense competition at united, he was a large fish in a small pond at spurs but he’s playing with the big boys now, even a young player like welbeck will push him to the breakable max. Berbatov will have to play his skins out to be a starter again. I actually have no problems with him, i’ve declared my admiration for his ability but sometimes you gotta wonder if he was ever actually going to blend into United’s fast paced style of play.

    He seems a luxury player to me. A player we have no idea where to fit into, he barely performs for the real big crucial games (although the supposed smaller games count as wel).

    I honestly see another juan sebastian veron situation happening again, fabulous player but never quite adapted to United’s style, this probably is another case regarding berbatov. His fans will weep but united comes first, not the happiness of berbatov.

    I still think he should stay for the season, his quality will be needed at some stage (last thing united need is a cut in the striking department) and if he does get a new deal then great for him. Has he lived up to the 30+ million? probably not as well as he’d have liked but he has shown in many moments, his undoubted brilliance. Berbatov has won two titles, couple of cups, two champions league finals (should have been on the bench instead of owen for the wembley showpiece but that’s irrelevant now). If another striker steps up next season (will keane or another quality purchase?) then berba can move on if he wants but i would want him to stay.

  17. smartalex says:

    Sir Alex post-match – 2½ mminutes

  18. denton davey says:

    I guess that I just likevto rain on other people’s parades – Antonio Valencia was NOT man-of-the-match today. He had a very inconsistent game – crucially involved in both goals BUT he also shanked a great chance in the 55th minute when he just would not use his left foot AND he was at fault for not covering for Rafael when the little dynamo was brought down/flubbed-his-chance in TheArse’s penalty box. So, two goods and two bads !

    UTD’s two key players were, in my opinion, Chris Smalling and Michael Carrick. Honorable mention to Nani (who gave Djourou “twisted blood”), Jonny Evans, Ryan Giggs, as well as the two forwards (TheWayneBoy and DannyTheLad) who played according to SAF’s game-plan. Patrice Evra was also very good and very dangerous in partnership with Nani, down the left wing. That’s just about everyone -a very, very good team game against a team that was made to look decidedly-ordinary.

    One other thing – completely off-topic – isn’t Jermaine Defoe a lousy player ?

  19. smartalex says:

    A source said: “He’d parked down a side street but unfortunately it was parked right next door to a well-known Man United pub. Loads of fans were in there watching the later Arsenal game and they must have come out and seen his car.”

  20. smartalex says:

    Only Wayne Rooney (366) and Nani (282) have made more passes into the final third for Manchester United than Evra in the Premier League this season (216)

  21. Saad says:

    Former United player Manucho scored the winner in the AFCON group game against Burkina Faso, one of the dark-horses of the tournament. Good for the lad.

  22. zelh says:

    anybody read that by Lipton? The most biased paper I’ve read in years. Seriously what the fuck is THAT?!

  23. zelh says:

    sixfeetunder – he’s long sighted and the surgery would cost him 3-4 days. Besides that he’s gonna be operated in the summer.

  24. Costas says:


    Hi mate. Not sure if I can explain it, but in Rooney’s case, his presence in general helps motivate those around him. Just look at the game against Bayern. He didn’t do a lot on the day, but those around him elevated their game that day. I agree that he hasn’t been at his best recently, but Fergie rarely benches him during his bad periods anyway.

    I’d also like to see Berba start more often, but if he’s in a straight battle with Rooney for a starting berth, then things aren’t looking good for him. Like I said recently, what pisses me off is how we rotate the strikers at times. When Berbatov is in form, he shouldn’t be 4th choice striker. Or when we are playing at Newcastle and Rooney is underperforming, Berba shouldn’t come off first. I’ve said it before, but if I was him I’d find a new club for next summer before United extended my contract.

  25. Costas says:

    What I said about Rooney applies to Evra as well. There’s a reason he’s never dropped even when Fabio is fit.

  26. Redbilly says:

    United were allowed to close the gap on city without playing particularly well.

    Wenger and SAF have been arch rivals for 16 years. This was a gift from wenger.

    Wooly’s verdict

    The star

    What a cunt

    Wooly’s verdict

  27. gaz says:

    morning ROM! What a great result for us yesterday! Fuck all those media bitter fuckheads “we scraped a win” seems to be the general concensus around laughable it really was the only thing as laugahable was Duncan Ferguson Mark 2 (Andy Shitall) hilarious stuff from the Dippers on Saturday! Stevie me didnt do a fucking tap. Saving themselves for the their cup final Saturday i bet! Where is that Cunt Goon who was here on Friday “Matt Twat”??? In Arsene we trust was it??? LOL!

  28. smartalex says:

    Two Manchester United and England legends were the toast of the football writing world on Sunday night as Paul Scholes and Gary Neville became the first double recipients of the tribute award of the Football Writers’ Association.

    Sir Alex Ferguson described their respective personalities:
    ‘I think that Gary is a very forthright guy and speaks the truth and is prepared to say it and he has always been that way. There is no grey area with Gary, it is very black and white, whereas Paul doesn’t say much but when he says something it is worth listening to.’

    Sir Bobby Charlton believes United will never find replacements for the duo.
    ‘Paul and Gary are irreplaceable and the highest compliment I can pay them is that their legacy is as good as any who have played for this club. Gary was a bit different. Even at a young age he was inspirational. He was the captain, a leader, a talisman. Gary has been a real bonus for United because of his depth of feeling for the shirt, but I am proud of all of them.’

    Scholes said: ‘Obviously Gary has had a big impact. He has been a fantastic right-back, not just for United but for England as well. I have grown up with Gary and known him quite a while and I know what a good player he is, how much he has done for the club and how big a fan of he is of Man United.’

    Neville said of Scholes: ‘He is a great player and the best I’ve ever played with; to be fair most players who have played with him or against him say the same thing. You can think about people who played for the club for three, four or five years and had a great impact, but Scholesy and Ryan (Giggs) have played for the club for 20 years and had an impact season after season. You see him getting mentioned in the same league as (Zinedine) Zidane and Xavi, which he constantly does, not by me but by people who know much more about the game than me and who have played against him.’

  29. smartalex says:

    Sir Alex told Sky Sports:
    “We created an amazing amount of chances and to only score two is a bit disappointing. We should have rammed home our advantage in the first half, and in the first 15 minutes of the second half they had three great chances and missed them all, so we rode our luck.

    “When they put (Per) Mertesacker up and kept tossing the ball into the box, you never know what’s going to happen but we coped well with that. (United defender Chris) Smalling was fantastic in that period and we managed to see it out. Winning after City had won (the league leaders earlier nicked a 3-2 win over Tottenham Hotspur) was the important thing but we’ve done it in the right way. We were really adventurous, positive and had a great belief in ourselves.”

    Captain Patrice Evra added:
    “It was a good performance – we want everything perfect and in the second half there were 15 minutes when Arsenal played very well. We kept strong, had a good shape and scored a nice goal. We got the three points and that is really important if you want to win the title.”

  30. smartalex says:

    “United have been woeful for the past 18 months. I can’t recall Sir Alex Ferguson’s team being so bad for two successive seasons.” Hansen told The Daily Telegraph.

    “At times, they have been at the bottom of the scale, but United are United and they are still just three points off the top, having been so unimpressive at times this season. Despite being so bad, their experience of winning has seen United win the title last season and reach another Champions League final, so they can never be overlooked. I cannot see any way that they will not improve next season, so that is the challenge that Spurs face.”

    - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - –

    woeful – causing sorrow or misery; very bad; deplorable


    I was heartbroken when we won our 19th. Miserable and sorrowful, I felt deplorably bad.


    Hansen is a woeful pundit. Twat!

  31. Saad says:

    Welbeck’s recent form should remind us fans of how fortunate we are he chose to play for England and not Ghana. If he hadn’t, he most likely would’ve been lining up next to Asamoah Gyan rather than Rooney this time of the year.

  32. Saad says:


    That point about DDG being short-sighted could explain why he saw Dzeko’s shot so late in the Community Shield. If that’s the case, then things can only get better for DDG and I hope he doesn’t lose hope or confidence in himself.

    As for Lindy wanting to keep the No.1 jersey for the next 10 years, I admire his self-confidence and enthusiasm but he’s gonna have to bring a LOT more to the table and be nothing short of outstanding to keep a bona fide talent like DDG on the bench.

  33. AntiScouser says:


    DDG is, as far as I know, long-sighted. He wears contact lenses during games so he should have had no problems with seeing Dzeko’s shot.

  34. Costas says:

    Yeah Hansen emphatically stated on MOTD that we’ve played the worst football out of the top 3 sides. I can see that arguement regarding City, but worse than Spurs? Really?

  35. samuel - united WE stand says:

    Can’t believe the balotelli’s debate is still going on. He nearly chopped parker’s head off with a stamp and dixon the twat can only come out with “it isn’t clear cut, maybe he was just landing”. LANDING? BLOODY LANDING?, is that how people land now?. One of the most biased rubbish i’ve heard for some time. Balotelli should get a 5match ban for that and so should lescott. Come on FA, you spineless city supporting imbeciles, do something about it.

  36. Mr C says:

    @’slim: “‘Why do people have to come out with sob stories for dimitar berbatov?. Oh boo, he hasn’t started a lot of games, our hearts must shatter. He’ll have to play now because he looks “Down and upset”.

    It’s not a question of sob stories. It’s a squad game and we are luckier than most in that we have 4 top strikers, including Berbatov. So if Rooney or anyone else is playing poorly or inconsistently its a reasonable expectation that he make way. To prevent him, to borrow your words from getting ‘down and upset’ and offering himself to City? Why should Wayne be given a shoe in regardless of whether he’s playing crap? Therein lies the route to ruin; it’s ‘small club’ thinking. All this talk of ‘Wayne works hard and tackles back’ (i.e. roams out of position when his game is off) or ‘encourages’ others (he doesn’t btw but that’s another story) are just gyrations totted out to excuse duff forward play. Every player will have ups and downs in front of goal form-wise and Wayne is no exception.

    Anyway, the main think is three points away at Arsenal are three points away at Arsenal – a very good result that should not to be sniffed at. Overall, a very good team performance by us- never looked in danger – albeit a bit wasteful upfront. Special mention to Evans, Carrick , Smalling and Valencia all of whom were excellent. Shame Spurs (Defoe) let themselves and us down yesterday, but hopefully Ballotelli will be getting a ban.

  37. Passe says:

    Using contact lenses doesn’t affect a player’s game at all. I use them all the time when I play and I have only had a problem with them once, and that was when on off them popped out of my eye. When the vision isn’t getting progressively worse anymore one can have laser surgery, which is a very common thing to do. Since DDG is still young I think until now he hasn’t been able to do the operation.

    Why he has been dropped I really don’t know. Lindegaard seems to make quite similar mistakes to DDG but people don’t jump on his back about it. Lindegaard has the same unwillingness to come out for some crosses (see late in yesterdays game when the ball luckily bounces off Evans’ chest into his hands) and his distribution is nowhere near DDG’s.

  38. gaz says:

    Fuck that hanson fucking captain scarlet cunt should learn how to speak the english fucking language the little fanny. Linekar is another cunt, permatanned shit face diarrea head, speaking of diarrea lee dixons verbal diarrea stank out the BBCUNT last night fucking nonce prick.

  39. Dillan says:

    Smalling is gonna be at United for years to come!His growing in leaps and bounds.Along with his cellphone,he also had Van Persie in his pocket.

  40. samuel - united WE stand says:

    Welbeck was never choosing ghana. Did all his football schooling here, doubt he’d pack all that in to play for a ghanian team that are talented. It’s funny how his great form has brought up rumours of him moving to madrid. Although the virus are always up to no good, i couldn’t help but chuckle at that. Welbeck will sign a new deal when the time is right, not in the middle of the season.

    As for those idiots estimating bale to be worth at least 100 million +, don’t make me laugh. He’s a good talent but definitely not worth that amount. England love to over-price players, only in england will a player like bent move for 25 million.

  41. Mr C says:

    @gaz says:

    ‘Fuck that hanson fucking captain scarlet cunt…’

    Classic. Top quality abuse!

  42. gaz says:

    @Mr C

    Its a pleasure to abuse that cunt hanson its all from the heart!

  43. samuel - united WE stand says:

    It’s not about rooney working harder or not and i have lambasted wayne for not turning up in crucial games at times but whether you approve it or not, he fits into the manchester united way of playing, berbatov doesn’t.

    If berbatov is playing his skins out and Fergie feels he can blend into the style He wants then of course berba can start more/displace rooney but Fergie clearly doesn’t feel he wants to start him now, moaning continuously will not change that. The team comes first, the best players do not always make the best teams.

    The sad thing in professional football is, someone has to be dropped. Fergie won’t play someone because you’re a big fan, united come first.

  44. Sandeep1878 says:

    Good evening lovely Red Devils around the world,

    Nani Ankle/Foot Injury no return date

    P Jones Ankle/Foot Injury 5th Feb 12

    R Ferdinand Back Injury no return date

    R De Laet Calf/Shin Injury no return date

    Anderson Knock no return date

    A Young Ankle/Foot Injury 11th Feb 12

    D Fletcher Bowel Condition no return date

    N Vidic ACL Knee Injury Jun 12

    M Owen Thigh Muscle Strain 11th Feb 12

    T Cleverley Ankle/Foot Injury 11th Feb 12

    T Bebe ACL Knee Injury 5th Feb 12

  45. Paul Parker says:

    Sandeep, cheers for that list ^

  46. TonyBee says:

    I once bought a Bonnie Tyler satnav.

    It was rubbish.

    Kept telling me to turn around, and every now and then it fell apart.

  47. StatesideAussie says:

    Samuel … “moaning continuously will not change that.” True. But let’s be clear that it isn’t Berbatov who’s doing the complaining. His supporters may do plenty of it, but there’s no evidence to say he does. SAF has had nothing but compliments about his attitude and professionalism. I just wanted to clarify that.


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