October 21st, 2009
VIDEO: Valencia vs CSKA Moscow
87 Comments
October 21st, 2009 @19:39
Perfect play to accompany a nap but we did what we came to do! Nani were the best player by a mile, pity he didn’t get the goal he deserved. Berbatov slightly isolated up front but got an assist and were very near a second hadn’t Anderson missed his shot.
October 21st, 2009 @19:43
Great finish from a tight angle. Hope this is the first of many goals from valencia.
October 21st, 2009 @19:44
Horrible header from berbatov,but valencia is quick to react and his strike was given some violence with it cause of the defending pressure
Goalkeeper looked to have this ball in the bag but the power,the power in the strike was phenomenal I don’t think were respecting that shot how everything was against him.United definatley took the game to CSKA and we showed them whos boss.
My ratings
VDS-7
Gary neville-6
Vidic (suprisingly)-4
Rio ferdinand-7 (brown 8 no fucking about he really cleared the lines well)
fabio-3(carrick 3 just like owen he did’t have alot of time for a good rating)
Nani-8
o’shea-5
scholes-7 (owen 6 didnt have alot of time for a decent rating)
anderson-6
Valencia-8
Berbatov-9
United-8
Me-10 i sang at the tele for
the whole match 8D
MOTM Berbatov
October 21st, 2009 @19:49
We’ve won in turkey and russia now germany won’t be a problem….Looking forward to a date with madrid so we show em what we got!!
October 21st, 2009 @19:50
Great result and a brillant finish from Valencia roll on Sunday 2 we beat them scouse cunts!!
October 21st, 2009 @19:56
Couldn’t get into the match at all – the first half was dreary and I was nodding off in the second – Valencia’s goal sure as heck woke me up and it was nice to see Owen get a bit of a run out but was hoping he’d start – unless he’s being saved for Sunday, that is! Nani got a bit of a confidence boost there but Berbatov was left frustrated – thankfully his assist was spot on and he managed a shot from outside the box to at least his shooting foot a warm up.
October 21st, 2009 @19:58
Macheda is GOD-
aww c’mon, fabio 3? the boy had a great game, some very mature stuff from him today! i think anderson had quite a good game by his standards possibly a 7.. whereas berba though he had some great touches would be closer to 7.5 for me
agree with the rest of the ratings though, and it was a great great away victory on the european stage for us tonight, can’t wait for the team to rout the scousers this weekend! hope those who’ve been rested come back on form
also, gerrard and torres confirmed out it seems
http://lfcglobe.com/gerrard-and-torres-out-of-united-game/
October 21st, 2009 @19:59
@fze123 the first of many goals? He scored the winner against Bolton didnt he? Well I just hope his scoring streak continues 
@Macheda is God – I thought our Irwin picked John OShea as the Man of the Match.
October 21st, 2009 @20:00
Macheda – Horrible header? It was a great flick on. Also a 3 for Fabio? He was excellent. Only 6 for Nev, again he was solid tonight. Very strange ratings mate especially when you give Berba 9. I thought you said earlier that you weren’t watching the match. How can you possibly rate players.
October 21st, 2009 @20:01
link is dead already..
October 21st, 2009 @20:05
nani was crap…. quite honestly… you pick the ball out of thin air with a deft touch… skip past two defenders and loop a ball into the opposition goal keeper’s hands… a waste, in my book…..
October 21st, 2009 @20:12
King eric I agree mate.
October 21st, 2009 @20:18
I also disagree with Macheda’s ratings. Carrick did good to come on for a couple of minutes and disrupted CKSA’s passing… 6 is the norm and that was definitly his rating. RedNev was a 7, Berbatov didn’t seem to aim for goal så I’d say it was a flick on… and a damn good one altough he seemed a bit to frustrated with the, sometimes, poor support… just get on with it and don’t whine Berb! Anderson was sweet as hell but needs to work on his finishing. Nani was good but put in some horrible passes straight onto a CSKA player like 2 times in a row… but overall he was good.
Overall a good match.
And I think that Akinfeev looked more like a rich mans Foster than a solid replacement for VDS, I’d go with Foster if I only look at this game, it’s kinda the same player bar £20 mil
October 21st, 2009 @20:21
We won in a plastc pitch…nani wasted some croses,berba was a bit frustrated bt played wel,valencia is doin great,fabio workd wel til he got injured…great 2 av brown back…bring da dirty dippers now!
October 21st, 2009 @20:22
agree about cska keeper. would hate to see akinfeev replace van der sar.
October 21st, 2009 @20:25
Mikael – Bang on about Akinfeev mate.
Getting fucking sick of seeing Ronaldo’s name in every match report in every paper. Get over him, United have. One defeat all season after 13 games and still they reel out the Ronnie cliches “How United fans must have wished for Ronaldo at half time”. No not at all, most fans knew a decent result would be forthcoming. They talk as though he was amazing EVERY SINGLE GAME! Fuck off.
October 21st, 2009 @20:26
King Eric
Agree with your comments, overall a polished performance and a deserved victory. Berba class, Nani big improvement, Fabio very good!
Roll on Sunday, we have good momentum and look pretty focused.
October 21st, 2009 @20:27
I would rate Fabio and Neville a10. Was also impressed with Akinfeev, made lots of good saves, seems like a decent goalkeeper.
aliasrns5, Nani improved in the second half and was the most threatning player on the pitch, don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.
cantona7, I meant in the champions league mate. It’s his first one isn’t it?
October 21st, 2009 @20:32
King Eric, I was actually wishing for Owen at half time. Ronaldo is history now, I am sure not many utd fans wish for him considering the amount of games we are winning despite not hitting top form yet. When it’s man utd his name is on the media’s tongues.
October 21st, 2009 @20:33
Eric – I can honestly say I do miss him… but it’s more like in the way of getting over a bad girlfriend, you know she’s no good for ya but it’s hard to stop thinking about her ;o) But not all the time that’s for sure… he’s moved on and so have we and that’s all good. I love the way the team is more dangerous instead of one player, gives us more options.
Bring on the dippers and make them go 5 without!!!
October 21st, 2009 @20:40
was all over them just a matter of when it was going to go in
October 21st, 2009 @20:46
About Fabio: SSF says it’s just cramp… that’s good to hear (although it’s a bit wierd he went out on a strecher… but hey, beats walking ey?)
October 21st, 2009 @20:46
SAF, not SSF
October 21st, 2009 @20:53
This game is really good. Consider it being difficult to play away games and in such a cool weather, the team play well. Nani improve so much. (Not shock to see him play well as i always think he is good). Valencia is awesome. Having come to a big club and getting better all the time, solid, the ball seems can’t get off his feet by any opponents, scoring with good angles, composure, team effort, unselfish, hardworker, fast runner. What more can be said about him in his first seasons. We don’t need him to be Ronaldo! Neville and Fabio was good. Fabio will get better with more experience. Neville is getting on so well that i forget about his injury recently. Heard a lot of fans saying he is gone. Ha. O’shea is good as well in the middle of the park. Having play a right back all the time, this is really awesome for O’shea. mr Versatile player! Scholes passing is excellent in the 2nd half. Pin point cross that i thought he is playing Ping pong. Berbatov nothing to mention as he s again good.
I was impress with Akinfeev. What a save from him by denying Nani flying header. He looks a bit fat but was so flexible and his reflexes is good. I was disappointed with foster from the previous matches. I do hope Sir Alex can put some scout to watch him play in this seasons.
October 21st, 2009 @20:55
Macheda is GOD
fabio-3
are you fuckin nuts
October 21st, 2009 @21:00
Kel: Remember Fosters save against Arsenal? That was better then Akinfeevs tonight and Akinfeev should have done better with Valencias shot from that angle. People (not saying you do) complain about Fosters actions with Arshavins shot but that’s nothing to compare with Akinfeevs tonight.
I know Fosters messed up in a few games but paying £20 mil for an almost like-for-like? No way… that’s like buying a 3-choice striker for £25 mil ey Citeeey?
October 21st, 2009 @21:02
@ kel’s “He looks a bit fat” comment, lol. I noticed that he’s short, surprised to hear he’s fat. Obviously not good enough to replace VDS, but a very decent goal keeper, fergie probably had his eyes on him half the time.
October 21st, 2009 @21:11
@Mikael: yeah. I do agree foster is good however, after a few games, i am not convinced anymore. I have supported him at the start of the seasons. Not sure if he can prove me wrong. A good goalkeeper should be more flexible in my opinion and calm on the ball. Akinfeev dive to save the goal is really good. Can be compare to foster saved. A goalkeeper should have strong arms and save more goals from hand.
@Fze123: Haha. Yeah he is short and his face is seems to be he is fat lol.
Yeah. Should keep a look out for him for now.He is still young at 23.
October 21st, 2009 @21:27
kel, I honestly don’t know what to think about Foster anymore. I have supported him counless times since beginning of the season too. He knows what he has got to do, play well consistently to earn him a start in the next match, but he has not done that. He wasn’t even on the bench tonight. When he’s on form he makes crucial fantastic saves and is full of confidence, at the moment he’s not.
October 21st, 2009 @21:30
Well fuck me sideways i missed the whole fucking game driving home on the M42 after work ….forgot the game was on early and them cunts in Fucking talksport kept twittering on about some jock team who got stiffed the night before with the occasional update from Russia….. complete cunts… missing the game and couldn’t find any commentary on the game on the car radio… just fucking Quinny? and Adrian? talking utter bollocks…pair of twats more interested in the rentboys game.
thanks Scott for posting the goal on the net at least i got to see the fucking winner….
October 21st, 2009 @21:31
aliasrns5
I totally agree with you. Nani was the worst player for us today.. He was the reason berba was frustrated, didnt u see that??
Nani gave away about 10 balls in the 2nd half.. berba was so frustrated in the end.
October 21st, 2009 @21:35
ok.. nani did not have his worst day, but he gave away too many balls in my opinion..
October 21st, 2009 @21:38
another team’s good keeper doesn’t always translate well when you get to united and vice versa. i liked tim howard, and he’s top notch at everton, but the pressure of being a united no. 1 will unsettle most keeper’s. seems like to be no.1 at united you need to have to flight champion’s league and league title experience. i imagine that’s why buffon and casillas, are names that are always bandied about.
akinfeev looks good, but so does foster at times. being good at times is not good enough. we need someone with a proven history of greatness in massive games. finding another schmeical out of nowhere just isn’t going to happen. it took united way too long (until van der sar) to find that out. we need a big name that instantly exudes class and confidence to be united’s next no.1 keeper.
October 21st, 2009 @21:45
Poll on talksport, ‘which game was more dramatic?’ liverpool 0-2 arsenal 1989 or manchester utd 2-1 bayern munich 1999. 80% votes to the liverpool/arsenal game, while the other 20% to the european one. First of all, there’s no fucking comparison, a champions league final compared to that? A game where history was made, for christ’s sake. Laughable.
October 21st, 2009 @21:47
Nani left me frustrated. He always got past people and we know he can do that but he never delivered a good cross for berbatov. I would be surprised if he plays the liverpool game even if giggs isnt fit.
October 21st, 2009 @21:47
@aliasrns5 – Well spotted !
Nani is still shit. Nani wasn’t, isn’t and never will be a United player. One reasonable assist in 90 minutes.
Just because he wasn’t his usual ultra-shite self today doesn’t belie the fact that he has no fucking footballing brain whatsoever. No wonder Berbatov spent half the match cursing the little fucker! What’s the point of skipping past those big Slavic defenders if you instantly turn back in on yourself wasting any advantage you originally gained and then A) fuck up a 5 yard pass, or, B) fall to the ground clutching your back like you’ve been sniped from the stands, yet again.
If he doesn’t i) figure out how to put in a first time ball ii) bulk up and stop falling over like a tit whenever anyone is within two feet of him…then he’ll be a goner next summer.
Cash in and get rid I say. It’s not like we have a shortage of talent out wide.
October 21st, 2009 @21:49
Fze123
talksport cant take the fact that man utd are not only a bigger club than the scousers but the games are more dramatic.
King Eric
ppl forget he is no use to anyone he is injured, has for the game like I said a liverpool side with backs against the walls is a dangerous liverpool side.
October 21st, 2009 @21:51
Dan
really dan our options out wide is nani valenica park and is giggs a wide player any more, unless someone like silva is signed dont bother saying he should go when nani and fabio worked well out wide.
October 21st, 2009 @21:55
Good call on Giggs – not sure if he can be called a winger anymore. He still serves a lovely cross, but the legs don´t quite move like yesterday
October 21st, 2009 @21:58
theres only one Keano, they’re a bunch of deluded-full-of-sour-loathe-ABUs. The 1999 champions league final was the most dramatic and entertaining in the whole history of the champions league.
Heard milan had a great comeback in the last 30 minutes to beat real madrid 3-2, didn’t watch it unfortunately. Rentboys put 4 past a.madrid too.
October 21st, 2009 @22:11
Elliott
giggs offers balance on the left, but like I said if united are to sell nani then someone like silva is signed. who I feel if he is signed could give united that option of playing him through the middle if we play 4 2 3 1, because anderson did not do his job by getting forward and offer support to nani valencia and berbatov, and we ended up isolating those 3 especially berbatov who is not a central striker. what shocked me is how well united moved the ball and kept it with john o shea in CM.
October 21st, 2009 @22:18
I’m sorry, Akinfeev can be “good at times”? Does he pull idiotic stunts in half the games he plays like Foster does? I don’t think so. Nice of you to dismiss him after seeing him play in one game, in which he was probably the opposing team’s best player aswell…
Fact is, he starts every game both for a CL-quality team and the WC bronze-medalist national team, has done so for a couple of years now, and I’m pretty sure that in those couple of years he’s cocked up less times in similar fashion as good ol’ Ben has in just what, 8 games was it?
How you can even try to argue that he’s on par with Benny Foster is truly beyond me…
Now don’t get me wrong, I really like Ben, I’ve regarded him as the eventual #1 for a couple of years now but after the shit he’s pulled in the last couple of weeks I just can’t see it happening. He’s not ready, he’s rusty and he won’t get any better playing reserve-team football and a team like United just can’t afford to put a half-baked keeper into the main team and hope he eventually learns something. Loan him the fuck out, give him some first team football, be it in the Championship, I don’t give a shit quite frankly, he has to man the fuck up, but it’s not gonna happen here, it shouldn’t happen here, it can’t happen here because we can’t bloody stick around with our hands in our pockets and hope for the best, we just can’t…
October 21st, 2009 @22:36
As usual, the Nani-haters are out in force.
For what it’s worth, I thought that over the whole match Nani was UTD’s best player – he was constantly probing with the ball and, don’t forget, he had to be defensively uber-responsible with Fabio on his side of the pitch. Those two were a constant thorn-in-the-side for the CSKA’s right side. To me, Valencia was unimpressive before the last quarter of the match and then he seemed to come alive and was terrific in the last ten/fifteen minutes. For both of them, this was their best game in a red shirt. In contrast, from my view on the couch, Berbatov and Anderson were both under-impressive.
Before the Scholes-is-God crew go all ballistic and suffer a fit of apoplexy – let me say that this was a perfect game for the GingerNinja: he had loads of time/space and was rarely required to do much defensively because Johnny O’Shea covered his arse very well, indeed. In those circumstances – just like in the Stoke match a few weeks ago – Scholes’ great ability to control the ball and pick out a pass were allowed to flourish and he had a great game, too.
I was also extremely happy to see Wesley Brown – the meanest man in town – come on for thirty minutes. The announcer didn’t say anything about Rio’s health so I assume that the switch was made to give Wesley some game-time. Those vermin must be quaking in the knowledge that the bone-crushers will be playing on Sunday !
And, yes, having VDS in goal was like a new signing.
October 21st, 2009 @22:41
Great result! Barca & Madrid lost – ha – who are the one man team now??? Madrid, crap without Ronnie, United, still winning. Absorb world.
Foster is no where near as good or consistent as this Akineef guy, if he was not English he would be out.
You know everyone was saying Valencia will be no scoring Ronaldo – I am not so sure any more, the guy is young, talented, has a powerfull shot and 100% scoring record in the last 2 games and he is improving with games.
Nani, is also looking better, I think games will help him get better at crossing under pressure compared to Foster who got worse and destroyed the confidence of our defence who look a bit like nervous grannies.
Onwards & upwards, let us balloon Liverpool on Sunday!!!!!!! Can’t wait!!!!
October 21st, 2009 @22:43
King Eric,
all newspaper have to use”ronaldo” and united to sell their story and up their rating. if not they will have nothing to wet for ABU pleasure.
i see now saf take more pragmatic approach for european games. only after 70mins he brings owen to make our attacking more potent. but i must confess this game makes me wonder why saf dont use two strikers at earlier time possible when cska dont really push unted midfielder.
October 21st, 2009 @22:45
denton davey
scholes was outstandingg who along with fabio were our best players. nani had a good game and linked up well with fabio, but scholes for me was by a universal mile our best player.
October 21st, 2009 @22:47
Goddamn I fell asleep and dreamt that Valencia scored the only goal. Turns out he really did LOL.
October 21st, 2009 @22:53
What is with Valencia not celebrating the goal? Does he not care? Passion please.
October 21st, 2009 @22:57
What nani can do he is world class at what he hasn’t got he can work at,it’s a young wingers final ball it’s not like he’s 4 foot and his problem is height, final ball can will has and is been worked on, David silva?? Wanted him years in the world of football as in best for united he’d be the one player I’d get first., da silvas ate the answer to a problem united don’t even have yet I can’t say enough about them , a little more fabio, but I see them I do be amazed them I think I’m 10 years older than them. United to beat liverpool 4 nil I’m sayin it now and putting 40 on it tomorrow , I won a 50 bet and that’s what I’m doing with it the other tennis is the long awaited Owen to score last bet. United again away in Europe did what needed to be done and in 13 days that game will be Different on soant levels apart from the end result. John O’Sheanwas flawless today . Last season was his beat season and that trend hasn’t stopped over the summer, fantastic start to this season
October 21st, 2009 @23:09
sone Keano – I don’t dispute that Scholes had a good game but I don’t think he was UTD’s best player; the formation was set up to enable him “to play the game in a rocking chair” and he did that perfectly. But, unlike the GingerNinja of days gone by, he provides little attacking bite any more – his long, long speculative shot would have been a goal as a result of a keeper’s blunder NOT his own effort.
Similarly, Fabio benefitted from having Nani play a great two-way game in front of him. At the beginning, Fabio was caught out by the blond-haired Serb but he learned his lesson and was more defensively responsible.
Actually, watching the left-sided combination – which is much better when Evra plays – brings up an interesting point: What position does patrice Evra play ? I know he’s listed as a “full back” but he’s often so deep in the attacking zone that the team is effectively playing with a back three.
In ice hockey – which is a similar game in its territorial organization and analagous in its scoring methods (i.e., both games have a net/goal and a keeper) – there was a method called the “left wing lock” which has been all the rage for the past ten years. Basically, one attacking defenceman charges forward and the winger on the other side rotates into the fullback’s position while the other-side fullback is also deployed in the back four which slides to cover the zone the attacking defenceman has vacated. Watching footie on the television makes it pretty much impossible to see how UTD “compensate” to provide cover for Evra’s forward forays and I’d very much like to hear from some of you match-goers about this.
When Evra/Giggs play together on the left UTD have a dynamic attacking duo. Nani doesn’t YET play in that role as well as Giggs – but he’s getting better all the time. It seems to me that the complementarity of the Evra/Giggs duo is a fantastic asset and SAF has used it to compensate for the loss of Ronaldo in a very effective fashion.
What makes these musings even more interesting – at least, I think so – is that “the future” is going to be set up with Evra/Fabio/Rafael in those attacking full-back roles, linking with their wingers, to provide real fireworks. I think, however, that this kind of “system” is going to work best with solid holding midfielders like Hargreaves, Fletcherinho, and – gasp ! – John O’Shea, who can all “rotate” into a situational back-four as the situation demands.
I know that most “fans” and journalists don’t credit SAF with the tactical ingenuity to have come up with this kind of “system” but it seems evident that he is doing just that. It’s kinda like with Ryan Giggs, he’s not getting older he’s getting better. I thought that the loss of Ronaldo would be very difficult to overcome but it would appear that the transition is just-about seamless. That’s very impressive. Very, very impressive.
October 21st, 2009 @23:14
Kel – “He’s a bit fat”. Superb.
If only we had bought Benzema for forty million and Aguero for Fifty two million. Jokers.
October 21st, 2009 @23:24
Fze123 – What more do you expect from talk “dipper” sport? Full of the fuckers. Quinny, Collymore, Martin, Houghton. I really don’t know why I listen to it on the way home but I just cannot help myself. It must be some kind of perverse way of getting myself that worked up I could quite easily hunt down and murder the cunt Collymore. He is a fucking loser, a bird beating spice boy two bit ex footballer who won fuck all. Who is he to start slagging the likes of SAF and United in general? I heard a clip of the fucker on the radio last night when the dippers scored. You should have heard him. Going mental he was. His anti – United stance is becoming farcical.
October 21st, 2009 @23:35
@vas
i see your point about akinfeev’s cv up until now, and i was impressed with his performance at euro 2008. he seems to read the game naturally and is athletic. as far as being their best player today, well most opposing goalkeepers are their teams best player’s when playing united after having to survive their constant pressure.
i have a strong bias for the level of competition in the premier league vs. the rest of the world. i don’t rate the russian premier league anywhere near the english premier league, and i don’t rate being the russian national keeper anywhere near being manchester united’s no.1.
tim howard is a great keeper for everton, was the mls keeper of the year 2001, was pfa keeper of the year at united, and is the u.s. no.1. but he still struggled to cope with the mental pressure of being united’s no. 1.
i think united need a no. 1 keeper with top flight experience who has won big trophies. a bronze trophy means you won nothing. i can’t see akinfeev on the same level as van der sar just yet. calling him “good a times” is really meant as”UNITED GOOD- at times” which is a whole other level entirely.
October 21st, 2009 @23:37
denton – Hi mate. Some great points as ever. I can’t say that United really do compensate in anyway for Evra’s “forays” forward. Usually Vidic or another central defender will just step across a few paces. Occasionally I think Carrick may just sit back as well. As for John O Shea I too thought he was excellent in the holding role tonight. Always did rate him playing that position though when he was one of our only options .
October 21st, 2009 @23:38
If we are talking young keepers from what I have seen I prefer Neuer. Alot taller and commanding . In the Scheimcel vain.
October 21st, 2009 @23:45
King Eric – I had hoped to be able to come to M/C for a week in April this coming year but that looks doubtful now. I’d love to get together with you and a few of the other bloggers to watch a match from the Stretford End and, even more, to see a reserve match at Carrington – close to the field – and celebrate UTD’s 20th EPL title. Maybe in 2011.
October 21st, 2009 @23:48
King Eric
I like ray houghton he is a fair pundit and says it has it is same has alan hanson. I agree refure the tall comanding keepers most GK should all be tall because of the amount of crosss that are whipped in. but I disagree o shea should be put in CM he is just not mobile enough, it was perfect for him tonight because moscow were never really attacking united.
October 22nd, 2009 @0:07
rooninho
howords mental strength was not the reason, howord never recovered from the horror show united put in when ferdinand got suspended and uniteds defence collapsed and howord went went with the defence. if ferdinand never got suspended we may have had howord no 1 now because his confidence was high and he was settling well with the strong backline.
October 22nd, 2009 @0:09
I don’t understand the couple of people saying “Anderson Needs to Work on his shooting” in relation to his chance near the end. His shot was going in but the defenders touch was enough to put it wide. Its not like he put it wide himself. All you can ask is the shot is going to be on target and thats what he did.
On Nani I can see both pov. He was both great but also frustrating in the game and often both in the same move. He was a real threat and did some great things but all too often his crossing was poor. The strange thing is imho he has perhaps the most dangerous cross from a corner in our team but in open play his crosses rarely go into a danger area where they can be attacked
October 22nd, 2009 @0:32
Scare mongers out in force, it was a good away performance from every1.
Berba was frustrated & every1 blames Nani? News flash Berbs, the lone striker is ALWAYS frustrated! just ask Rooney!
Like him or not, Nani is a weapon. His 1st time cross was crap because he is playing on the left!!! He’s right footed,not as much as bloody Peg-leg right-foot rocket Ant, but he is OUR weapon. 24-27yrs is a proven peaking age. There is more to come! Believe!!!!
& forget talking about bloody Silva! He’s over-rated! Llajic will be making him look like a constipated Darren Anderton come January! And you will all forget that buck-toothed spanish ponce ever existed! Bloody Silva…
Obertan or Tosic > Silva in 2 years – Future Fact!
@ King Eric, Fse & others that brave radio – The ABUness is definately a media bitch at the club! I’ve noticed that highlights (esp on MOTD!) are edited to make us seem ultra-desperate at times!? Constantly talking about us ‘winning by own goals’, ‘hanging on to wins’… and the Ron speak.. oooh the Ron speak! To whoever that said they mis him like an ex-girlfriend you have to go & get yerself laid son! Maybe go out to Bourdeux & get a young filly like SAF did???
I am fine with the way the team is playing but part of me just wants us to put turbo boosts on and murder teams 4-0, 4-1 again! Solely to shut these media cunts up and force them to suck UTD’s cock again. Having Collybore do sludge forfiets for every goal Valencia scores on MUTV would be magic!! And get ex-player like Cole & Yorke on radio!?? Maybe a footie meets dub remix??
[The Man - 'Get the marketing guys on this stuff!']
Irwin was on ITV tho… I fear they may have already read my mind… 
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October 22nd, 2009 @0:46
Valencia seems very humble, I like it.
October 22nd, 2009 @0:55
@grein – quite; he’s similar to Berbatov but when Dimi scores something great/important he shows his passion with a good ol’ shout to the crowd. Let’s hope for something against ‘Pool, he deserves it!
October 22nd, 2009 @0:59
@onekeano
i’m a big fan of tim howard. never thought he was given a fair amount of games at united. how in the hell he was behind roy carroll i’ll never know.
just think he was too young to be the no.1 keeper at united which i think is the hardest gk position in the world. the pressure to remain at the top of the table and to be the world’s best team creates an almost impossible amount of pressure for even the greatest keepers. nothing less than perfect form is required by united supporters, and the slightest weakness is magnified a million times.
i think only a world class keeper of great experience can survive being united’s no.1 in this current era. howard has great skills, and yes the defence was less with rio’s ban, but i would argue that there was still more quality in united’s remaining defenders that season than in everton’s current squad which howard excels in.
the difference is is the pressure and importance of the matches. if howard or akinfeev play well then they are heroes, but if they commit a howler it is usually forgiven because of their overall qaulity as keepers and the lower profile of their club and countries.
foster has looked a good prospect in the past at clubs like watford, because his skills excelled in a lower pressure environment. at the world’s biggest club – manchester united any mistake he makes does cannot escape scrutiny, and could mean elimination from a major trophy.
i still don’t believe it is the right thing to place any excellent young keeper in that situation, as we supporters will not put up with “learning on the job.”
October 22nd, 2009 @1:12
@ Grein me too! Quite refreshing! He is his own worst critic like all good players should be!
October 22nd, 2009 @2:36
Let me first say that I thought JOS did well tonight, and I was surprised by that. But I gotta admit to being frustrated with how stingy SAF is with giving the youngsters minutes. I mean, JOS is a defender correct, and not a holding CM. And we have Gibson who SAF will talk up and say is a quality player and he wants to hold on to him, but then he doesn’t play him. It would be so frustrating for the lad to see a defender get picked ahead of you in a match like this… Same can be said for Berba playing the full 90 mins tonight. He didn’t look up for it, he was frustrated and wasn’t contributing all that much. So why not pull him off and put on Kiko for a 30 min run out? At least he could provide some effort and some energy up front. Of course, Berba then pops up and gets the lucky assist, but STILL, its frustrating.
Fabio was outstanding btw. I am a huge fan of the Da Silva twins.
October 22nd, 2009 @2:50
i would have to say watching the “champions” barcelona get beat by rubin kazan at home was the greatest thing in the last 2 days….Platini was probably crying over that one….with some of the recent results, we could end up going against Real/Barca/Inter/liverpool in the next round.
Valencia, lets smile more often!
October 22nd, 2009 @3:25
spot on Drew Vader
October 22nd, 2009 @5:51
Fabio was ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT the lad can surely defend and attack. He’s 18 years old and hes a pleasure to watch, Imagine when he’s just a bit older..
Valencia is really settling in the team, and he is also a joy to watch, Berba hate the role of lone striker you could tell but as usuall he made a brilliant assist to Antonio.
Overall great performance by the Reds, when the other Big names stutter ( barca, real, livo, arsenal) then the reds are right their with a win.. wait were supposed aren’t to be struggling ?
October 22nd, 2009 @6:25
@Fze123: The same goes for me. Imagine what will happen if VDS retire? Foster could be more nervous and less confident than now. We need strong characters to be in goal.
I agree Nani crossing is poor at times. But if he can become that good, then he is the best player in the world. No one is perfect. Experience come perfect. Pace for me is the most important thing as it can’t be train. Crossing, football brain will come with experience. Berbatov is becoming another Rooney and i mention i don’t quite like it. Why not concentrate on the ball and get on with the game?
October 22nd, 2009 @6:32
@ Drew Vader
“Fabio was outstanding btw. I am a huge fan of the Da Silva twins.”
LOL. We ARE huge fans 
Was thrilled to see Fabio play. I want him to challenge Patrice Evra place and i want him to be our first choice LB. Then we’ll see how easy-going and possitive Pat would be.
There is no need to rate the players after yesterday’s game. We played a calculated game and won 3 points. Job done, roll on Sunday.
October 22nd, 2009 @6:44
Eric – I also would prefer Neuer. If you look at his style it’s more like VDS then Foster or Akinfeev… although I still hope that Foster will wake up I feel it’s more of a dream then a possibility
October 22nd, 2009 @7:45
is the bomb.
October 22nd, 2009 @9:01
Concerning vds, he’s becoming too difficult to replace. The young ones don’t have the courage to be united 1st choice in the bip matches.there’s more to being united no.1. In searching, we shouldn’t be looking at keepers who hardly concede goals but the strong-minded,experienced and bold ones. Go for experience,even if it means having to replace them every other year.the youngies are not up to it.should have taken shay given. Friedel? James? Go to the Americas,find the chilavert or campos types.
October 22nd, 2009 @9:02
@Drew Vader – I wish SAF would also give the younger players a chance during the game and save the rest of them for the dippers game this weekend. But I can understand what SAF was doing. He was looking for at least a draw from the game to at least get us closer to the 10 pts we need. JOS has more experience and with him being a mainly defender, it makes the team stronger defensively. As for Berba, SAF could have thought that it would not make any difference which team he put out this weekend so might as well try to get some pts out of this CL game. With the current form of the dippers, we could play the reserves and still win, not to disrespect our reserves.
October 22nd, 2009 @9:02
Concerning vds, he’s becoming too difficult to replace. The young ones don’t have the courage to be united 1st choice in the big matches.there’s more to being united no.1. In searching, we shouldn’t be looking at keepers who hardly concede goals but the strong-minded,experienced and bold ones. Go for experience,even if it means having to replace them every other year.the youngies are not up to it.should have taken shay given. Friedel? James? Go to the Americas,find the chilavert or campos types.
October 22nd, 2009 @9:45
The Red Army rumbles on. Nice team goal, decent finish, I just hope the lad Valencia takes confidence from this and starts playing a bit more aggressively in the future.
Hopefully Rooney will be back to help take the Scousers to bits, Owen grabbing a last minute winner would be ideal, but I just want the 3 points from the dippers back yard however we get it.
October 22nd, 2009 @9:45
I have to say I couldn’t believe how poor CSKA were last night. Before the match, I’d have been happy with a draw. I’ve saw some of their matches in the Champions League before, and they used to have some decent players like Wagner Love and Daniel Carvalho (not to mention the brilliant city centre forward Jo!)
Thought Nani played quite well, probably his best performance in a long time.
He just needs to be more decisive and pick the right cross or pass in the right time.
Berba was unlucky when he control let him down and the ‘keeper managed to get to the ball before him, but he proved his worth with a wonderful touch to set Valencia up.
Fabio played really well, and Anderson covered a lot of ground – so unlucky with that deflected effort at the end.
Not too sure what to make of Akinfeev, he seemed comfortable enough, and didn’t really have too much to do considering, apart from one fine save from Nani’s diving header.
All in all, a professional job well done, and a good win at OT next time out, and we’re home and dry, with the likes of Macheda, Welbeck, Gibson et all to get some minutes under their belts.
PS, Does anyone know what’s happened with Possebon? Was he sent back to Old Trafford, or did he stay with Boavista?
October 22nd, 2009 @9:46
Obviously not Boavista, Braga I meant!
October 22nd, 2009 @9:55
@Drew Vader i agree with you. I have been a big fan of JOS since he nutmegged Luis Figo. He is a world class versatile football player.
October 22nd, 2009 @10:35
great result last night, never beaten russians before.
well even at this early stage wer doin fuckin brill in league, cl and every thing compared to recent seasons but we still took the title so need to really TURN the screw on these vermin eating scum, and rub salt in wounds for 5 straight losses for livershit!hahahahahahahahahaahah
then to kill the scouse off mickey owen for final goal in front of the flop ten minutes after nev thumpes a header in!
fuckin dreamin now with the nev bit (maybe not!)
hope colleen has healthy baby today or tomaz so big wayne can play to score the first.
BUILD A BONFIRE BUILD A BONFIRE
PUT THE SCOUSERS ON THE TOP
SPANISH WAITER IN THE MIDDLE AND
WE,LL BURN THE FUCKIN LOT,
revenge for last season is on the cards, even tho doin the double over us never got them far DID IT. they thought it was there year againheyheyhey
REALLITY HAS SUNK IN AMONGST THE LIVERSHIT SUPPORT THAT ITS OUR YEAR AGAIN.
October 22nd, 2009 @11:34
Morning.
IslandRed – Not too sure mate whats happened to Possebon. There was a silly rumour going round that he was being sent back as he was shit for Braga after just one game. Think it was bollocks myself but as far as I know he aint back at United.
October 22nd, 2009 @11:58
King Eric
Yeah, I’d saw they were top of the Portuguese league, just wondered how he was doing, because I’d saw the story about him being sent back myself.
Hopefully he’ll not be another Manucho
October 22nd, 2009 @12:08
Hi mates! Is it just me or do you also think that valencia doesn’t really celebrates his goals?
October 22nd, 2009 @12:50
I know its off topic but does anybody remember Drago Stojkovic. Well hes the manager of a J-League team in Japan now. He got sent off at the weekend for this. Absolutely class.
http://www.youtube.com/watchv=YQPW2jC_URY&feature=player_embedded
October 22nd, 2009 @12:52
sorry that link doesnt work this one does: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQPW2jC_URY&feature=player_embedded
October 22nd, 2009 @18:43
is it jus me or that cross by Gazza jus beautiful?
off topic… a thought came to me.. imagine m. owen got 19 for shirt and celebrated a win at anfield… wouldn that be symbolic?? 
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really happy with that result.Great effort away from home under difficult conditions.