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November 3, 2012 71 Comments
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We could have score more. Still, a good win and we back on top of the Premier League.
very respectful of RVP..
I think it was his first touch? If yes his first touches are deadly. Also against Fulham
Watching this match made me think what an abysmal team Arsenal are now. Shockingly poor, some of their players (like Podolski) never made ANY effort. The old days of Keane/Viera rivalry are long gone. Sad but true, it used to be an exciting fixture, now it’s not. We should have won 4 or 5:0.
wasnt ivanovic supposed to be suspended ? anyone?
rvp, he scores when he wants
If anderson hasn’t already staked a claim to be a starter against chelsea, he certainly has in the 30mins cameo. I said he’d be brimming with confidence and he carried on the good work. Looks bright and sharp, injecting dynamism and drive into the midfield. Involved in united’s attacking play, pinging crafty passes around and accelerating past central mid players. He still has to work harder to regain full match fitness though, the only downside to his game lately. When you rewind back to his arrival from porto, he could run all game, showing that he does have the stamina and has to work hard to get it back. Getting more game time will help, hope the performances from keep rolling on because he can be united’s best central midfielder, has all the tools to be that but more importantly, he needs fortune on his side.
Rafael has developed into an absolute collosus of a defender. Powerful and drive, added with skill and guile going forward but rock solid defensively. He rarely gives his opponent a breathing space. I really think the turbulence rafael went through in the olympics has really kicked his game on, developing into a complete right back. Hope he continues on the same trend.
Looking at buttner in the league cup, with him still in an adaptation to the PL period and looking below par, you start to appreciate evra’s experience and talent. He may not be the same player that was, in my opinion, the best left back for at least 3years (and who can blame him, he’s had a lot of controversies and may have slowed down) but he’s still a top player, has improved in the past few games, has added goals to his game (something we rarely see), i hope he continues to show good form.
Rio jogged through the entire game and when he plays at his best, he’s one of rare few defenders that make things look easily. Hopefully he continues in that way. Evans was solid again, really staking a claim to nail dowm that position. Generally though, the defenders will feel disappointed about not keeping a clean sheet but there’s no stopping cazorla’s wonderful strike.
Van persie was again superb. Struggling to find superlatives for him. Pure world class player, two footed as we’ve seen and razor sharp in front of goal. He really has improved united’s attacking play, he’s not just a basic centre forward, he has an all round game to marvel at. Movement for a striker to bring joy to your heart and a ruthlessness ingrained in the very best players. He also showed class with the way he dealt with the game. Hope he continues banging them in.
Rooney showcased his ability today. filled with verve, creativity and potency. Fergie has dropped him a little deeper and with the goals being shared around the team and subsequently eroding the goalscoring burden on him, he’s focused on picking the pockets of defences. Laid another assist, continues on this form and kagawa will struggle to get in the team regularly. Blotted his copybook with that poor penalty, sort it out wayne.
Didn’t think cleverley deserved to start the games he’s getting and again, he proved why. Very sloppy with passing and his defensive side hasn’t got better. The only reason he’s starting is because anderson is fighting for full fitness and with the brazilian form getting better, tom couls be sidelined if he doesn’t improve, i hope he does.
Carrick had a good game. At his efficient best, keeps ticking with his passing and he looked fired up, hope that continues.
Valencia had the beating of santos all game but didn’t seem to take enough of the iniatives as you’d expect in a game like this. Don’t think he warrants criticsm though, hopefully he gets better.
Young was hardworking, floated in and out of the game, still working to gain fitness.
We looked very good but i hope there’s more to come, the goal concended puts a slight downside on things, we certainly need to be more switched on for the entire but don’t care much, 3points is what matters as arsenal are a top team capable of displaying quality, showed well by santi. Hopefully we continue in this manner.
Chelsea concede. 1-1 now. Hernandez scoes. It seems hernandez loves to score against chelsea
Would say arsenal are lacking in confidence, more so than them being abysmal. They’re a top team and will be there or there abouts as the season rolls on.
Samuel
very well rounded critique, nice. agreed on young Tom, if Ando continues in the same vein he’ll find playing time very hard to come by.
Swansea!!!!!!!!!Good game, I was loosing hope and they did good and scored a good goal.
Chelsea destined to be undone by Hernandez.
Watch detail pls,it’s fake,its minimum standard of united,ando just not so worst like his normal,or he’s worst too often so u think he’s superme .
@Costas
you meant The Hernandez conspiracy
Chelsea SCUM draw 1-1 haha !!! Bastard lying swine, I hope their season implodes now.
Re the game – one big improvement against Arse and Chelsea is that we are defending well high up the pitch, our forwards nicking back to make tackles and opposing players not getting much space and time on the ball.
Also some beautiful passes particularly over defenders to RVP and some excellent defence splitting passes noting Arsenal have the meanest defence so far this season.
Yes, we could and should have scored more. Cleverly needs in my opinion to expand his range,he is becoming a good one trick pony at short passing but his overall game and shot selection mean it limits us creatively. He is nowhere near Scholes league, but his energy is good and he was clearly trying to help out defensively more though his timing on tackles and reading of the game to intercept can improve.
Loving the RVP, Rooney link up, Rafael is a beast, what can you say about the boy this term, he is just fantastic and I think we now have 2 world class full backs; Evra and Ashley have finally developed a really good understanding and Young looks the most likely of our wingers to read and make good passes to our forwards. I was not always Young’s greatest fan, but defensively he really put in a shift today and worked his ass off.
A bit of luck in the first goal, but what a finish. You could see Rooney was never going to score, he looked nervous. Evra, beast and boss today, never lost possession, great in attack and defence, quick one touch passing, sublime passing range and he scored.
The final 5 mins or so were shit. We sat back like a banshee from hell and screamed for the game to be over. Arsenal scored….WTF!!!! That has to improve, we have to see the game out, De Gea should have booted that ball to the other side, Arsenal had 9 players around our box as they had nothing to lose. Bad bad tactics and failure to see the game out. You could see from SAF expression he was pissed when they scored
Thought Pea on for Rooney or other would have helped us take more chances as while RVP is clearly great at getting forward he is also a player that moves back to get the ball and influences the wider game Pea is a natural poacher and he would have eaten up a few of those chances.
I thought Valencia was OK, he just looked tired and not completely right, he tore apart the LB. Rooney also faded at the end.
I thought tom was tidy in possession, he looked forward to join attacks. Anderson did add his dynamism to the team late on after arsenal went down to 10 men. I was not very impressed with our forward play this match but 3 pts all that matters GGMU
Breaking news- Chelsea have reported another referee for racism.
Tom c – thanks. Agreed on anderson. He looks really sharp but the stamina to last an entire game is still not there, i can only hope he regains with more game time.. He adds a different dimension to united’s central midfield, the only player capable of getting on the half turn abd driving past opponents with skill and power. He has also the ability to open up a defence with his vision and is getting into goal scoring position. I hope he works harder on his match fitness as his potential is for all to see. On cleverley, he’s been below par and not imposing himself on games. Against the very best, we can’t afford midfielders not stamping on their influence, he really needs to step his game up as he isn’t a guaranteed starter, clearly showed with the way fergie hauls him off the pitch in certain key times in a game. Time will tell if he indeed will become the player we want him to be, i hope he does.
Kagwa would have played in place of Cleverly had he been fit. But good for Cleverly to get some experience. Ando for all his undoubted talent is inconsistent and was appalling in some games last season when he could not buy a pass. I hope Ando does step up but he is not a key player for us yet, we are still looking on in hope at his potential.
Strange game. You would have thought both teams had, had a knees up in the pub an hour before the game, with the mistakes that were made…
Great goal from RVP tho
Nolan goal called offside incorrectly. Think the pundits will be upset if City win by one goal? doubt it
rent boys suffering after a struggle to win capital one cup.
A wins a win but why did we go into defensive mode today at 2-0 up and with Arse down to 10 men! Crowd was shouting attack attack and yet we didnt kill them off as we should have. Not sure that some of those who posted on here watched the same game as me. I thought Rooney was poor – his passing of the ball at times was shocking and his penalty attempt was pathetic – not hitting the target from 18 yards is unforgiveable. I was also disappointed with Valencia – sitting close to the half way line in the SAF stand we had a good view of him in the 2nd half and he seems to have lost the confidence to take on the full back and use his pace. His crossing was poor and the most frustrating thing is his complete inability to use his left foot. What a player he could be if he made some use of that left foot rather than having to constantly have the ball on his right foot.
Anderson, who I have never been a fan of was very impressive in his 30 minute cameo and what was most appealing were his surging runs into the Arse half. With performancse like that he should be picked ahead of Cleverley.
Its one of the worst Arse sides I have seen in years and you can understand why RVP wanted out.Giroud looked a complete waste of monyt and I bet Podolski regrets leaving the Bundesliga.
But its a night to celebrate – Utd Utd top of the league – assuming Shitty dont pulverise West Ham. Maybe that donkey Andy Carroll will do us a favour
Hoping Ando keeps this form up, because on form and when fit he offers miles more dynamism and penetration than Cleverley seems like he can. Clevs is useful when we’re playing 3 in center midfield, with one to do the hard man job, and another one to do the creative/penetrative stuff…But on his own, with one other midfielder of either kind, and Cleverley isn’t all that useful. If Kagawa and Ando get fit and consistent, Cleverley won’t have a look in!
RedKeighley – Podolski was rubbish in the Bundesliga, and he’s pretty rubbish in England. Don’t think much has changed for him to regret anything – I’m sure he’s used to it!
Back on top
Nice gesture from RVP to show some respect to his old club and mates, but we should have won by a couple of goals more, I just felt we gave them too much possession and we went into defensive mode too quickly from the first goal. And I felt as well that Cleverley seemed out of place (yet again!!), may be Scholes or Ando should have started, the lad needs to up his game if he wants to shine
Podolski being shit is a load of bollocks in my opinion. He has been one of the key components for a successful german team and still is. He never lived up to expectation at bayern munich but that had nothing to do with his ability. He went back to his beloved koln and was phenomenal there with his strike rate. Arsenal have signed a quality player, he has already shown his match winning ability and probably will again.
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/blogs/blog=ucl_blog_england/postid=1886241.html
The start of wayne rooney’s journey.
Overall it was disappointing not to get a load of goals but that is how the game played out.
It is interesting that the wasteful shots were from the likes of Ando and Carrick, not from Nani when he came on. Think Sir Alex has a word with Nani after the cup fiasco.
Was actually interesting how Dean was handing cards out like candy at Halloween.
Sir Alex understood this and protected Tom Cleverley. Wenger didn’t see the danger, even though Wilshere was looking good for a second card all day.
Funny how we say that Scholes has games where he looks like a card waiting to happen. For me, neither Cleverley or Wilshere were able to cope with the pace of the midfield. In the end, Sir Alex was the more astute manager.
But water under the bridge. 3 points and top of the league HA. Take that Chelsea. Lets see what they bring, but for now 2 points clear at the top!
Ando was once again terrific in his 30mnts comeo
What a player, after his introduction we literally dominated the match beyond doubts
The only undoing was our inability to put the game to bed, we had quite lots of chances even before wilshere was sent off
Anderson had a goal disallowed for offside, almost put evra clear on goal with his cheeky little through ball, and found ashley with a delicious ball in which again was called offside
I really enjoy watching him, his cross field pass to valencia oh boy, scholes like
He really bought himself a place in the starting 11 now with his cameos hopefully he gets lucky this time with injuries
Really looking forward to seeing him get more starts
Ha almost a red letter day for our fake Brazilian fans,would have been a great start to his United career after only some Five weeks in the club. Oh wait
let’s not get carried away with Anderson – his fitness still looks questionable. He always seems like he’s puffing. He’s rarely completed 90 mins. I hope he starts on Wednesday night.
United should tag a personal fitness coach to Anderson. He is only lacking in fitness, otherwise even Carrick would be worried for his place, let alone Cleverley.
Also point to note, we seem to play really bad when our opposition goes a man down. That is really a horrible habit. You can call it complacency, but I really think we should hit those teams harder with the advantages. Not the first, or even second time this season we found ourselves under pressure from teams a man down. After losing last season on goal difference, you would think they would learn something, but we are still easing off letting teams, strong teams for that matter, get away with close scorelines
Ak47 – that’s the whole point isn’t, he’ll be working harder to gain full fitness but ultimately, only more game time will sort that. He’ll be filled with confidence now and should be given matches. No one is getting carried away but a fully match fit anderson can be a real talisman, hopefully he regains it. He offers more than any central midfield player united have and is displaying that.
Hammers!!!!!!!!!!!!Another good result today. Today is becoming better and better lol.
Good weekend
1) United win
2) Rvp scores again
3) Arsenal loses
4) The saviour Wilshere sent off
5) Chelsea dropping points
6) Hernandez scores against Chelsea again =p
7) City dropping points
samuel-united We stand.
No he doesn’t,I have been critical of Two positions One resolved it’s self when Evra returned as a defender after a long abscence.The other position midfield has now been filled now that Rooneyhas taken on that role and proved he does a splendid job there he always tackles back and can ping passes all day.imo
It was only a few weeks ago some lads on here were petrified of Chelsea and City. If im honest, I found the whole thing fucking pathetic and highly unbecoming of blokes hahaha. Heres some advise, lets all put our hands in our pockets and remember who we are aye? FFS
While im at it, all this talk about “im a negative bastard because im realistic” is a load of bollocks as well. You can’t go through life like that! Who would’ve realistically thought Scholes would grow up to be the best midfielder of his generation? Who would’ve realistically thought Ronaldo would grow up to be the best player in the world?
I bet all you sad bastards slagged off Scholes and Ronnie when they were youngsters. The way I see it, supporters support their Club and have faith in their players. Im not saying don’t criticise or whatever, but writing us off before the season starts is soft in the head, so if you cried into your beer at the start of the season and declared we weren’t good enough to Challenge, have a word with yourself!
There is nothing wrong with having positive expectations, or to look at it the other way, negative cunts don’t achieve anything! Who would’ve realistically thought Alex Ferguson would win enough Titles to make us the best Club in England? Im all for being realistic and so on, but if you end up not having faith in anything whats the fucking point? It takes bottle to have faith fellas, any old coward can hide being sensible scepticism….
…So chin up lads, might never happen!
UTID
United Till I Die.
Yep I was one of them but now a Black Eyed Peas night.
@Parryheid – you were one of them? never!
Well enjoy it while you can. If we don’t walk over Braga for 3 away points all the positivity goes out the window and we’re back to overestimating City and Chelsea.
A point to note in todays game.
A United midfielder picked up the ball on the half way line and ran at the Arsenal defence.
United Till I Die- I remember that I thought shit houses I wouldn’t want to be in the trenches with them.
Haha City draw…..! What a great day. Let’s see how Mancini man manages now we know he was speaking to other Clubs.
However, on a more sober notes it also shows this is a league where more than ever anyone can take points off anyone. Defensively there are still questions, when we face direct teams with pace and power Carrick and Evans struggle. A fit Smalling or Vidic would be a huge boost. An Ando or Fletch in form against those types of teams is important or we could find ourselves bullied a goal here and there by lower ranked teams that have a bit of direct pace power and guile.
Carrick is also IMO a bit wasted as a holding player, as an attacking MF he is in my view more impressive, he defends high on the pitch, has a good passing range and reads the game well. I don’t think covering the back 4 is his best position, but he has been drafted there and while easily beaten for pace he does a very good job on most days.
@samuel – united WE stand
Arsenal are not abysmal? Are you certain we are talking about the same team? I’m talking about the team who got beaten by a Patrice Evra header today.
@Samuel
Don’t agree about Carrick, by his standards he was awful today, his passing was all over the place and was very wasteful
@ Wakey – last half of second half Carrick’s form did go down and he looked tired, but before that he was running up and down from infront of the back 4 to just outside the D and helping link attacks. As Cleverly has such a limited passing range Carrick had to support him and cover for him defensively going forward. United controlled possession and the MF against Arsenal – no small part due to Carrick, Young and Rooney working hard.
If there was a weakness today it was our finishing and the way we sat back in the last 10 mins. Other than that, we played well, we retained possession well for most of the game and controlled the pace. I think De Gea had 2 saves to make, one he made, one he didn’t. Arsenal had very little time on the ball to compose an attack and were pushed to shots from distance.
United Till I Die
I agree on the negative people. Incredible how many of them were showing themselves here despite the win. And if we don’t win Braga, they’ll be even worse to listen to than the fact we lost!
Wakey
How was Carrick awful? He was critical in keeping and retrieving possession today! Thought he played very well!
I thought only Tony V and Cleverley were not so good, but still not useless. Also how good was Anderson! Hope he’ll get his fitness back! He’ll start on Wednesday I think!
Top of the league!
Been to OT for the first time this season. While I was happy with the win, and would have taken a 2:1 before the match, I must confess that I did not leave Old Trafford with great satisfaction.
I suppose the early goal defined the flow of the whole match. It probably made us more complacent than we would have actually been. We lost any sense of urgency. At times it felt like we were an away side we let them have the ball for far too long looking to hit hem on the break. We were bored to death with their purposeless passing!
I could not understand why we were not raising the level our game and finish them off, even before the first half was over.
Our wingers were disappointing today, both wasting quite a few promising attacks. Young was pretty poor, while Valencia was indecisive. Their left back was there for taking all day long! Our decision making in the final third of the pitch needs to improve.
Penalties? I thought RvP was our penalty taker.
At the end felt sorry for DeGea. Having had nothing to do, until 92nd minute, we allowed Cazorla to score. How lucky that Paddy got the second one for us and they had no time to kick the ball again after it went in?
It is about time we started finishing teams off and not risk looking silly at the end?
Finally, I was disappointed with lack of atmosphere at OT. We need a singing section asap. Last Wednesday 6000 United supporters sung their hearts out at Stamford Bridge. Why can’t we repeat that at OT?
Great day getting better:
United win…. check
Chelsea+City+Spurs drop points…. check!
Congested run (6 games in past 18 days) is coming to a close on a winning note!
Bring on Braga! Who is going to Portugal?
Like the cream of the crop…
…we’re back on top!!
Fergie has been making mistakes recently but today he got it spot on.
- Acceptable starting line up. ( Nani and Ando for Young and Carrick for me )
- Taking Cleverley off for Anderson.
Seeing Wilshere walk was inevitable.
I would like to see Rooney play closer to Robin and the Ando & Clev dynamic in midfield return but Carrick played alright defensively although he goes through spells where he just cant find a red shirt.
MOTM : Jonny Evans … he was strong in the air, read the game and his distribution is top class.
WHAAAAAAAAT, jus tcame home, and shitty has drawmn YEEEEEEEEEEEES.
Chelski have drawn YESSSSSSSSSSSS
Hernandez has scored YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
wow everything.
now I can sleep as a happy man!
@Hans It’s good to see that fans on the ground felt the same way. It was good to win, but performance wasn’t great against such a poor team.
@Den It’s easy to call another one negative without trying to see their point. Today’s performance wasn’t good by any standards. It was slow, lethargic, at times clueless and wasteful against a very poor team. Even after scoring a quick goal even after Arse went 1 man down we didn’t change. To many players including Carrick were average to bad. Any DM who gave a ball away in his half like Carrick did at one point would have been embarrassed by that, but it’s ok with him. After he assisted Yaya on that FA Cup day he has been regularly doing the same thing, it’s just that we haven’t been punished. To counter your statement of people who didn’t think that the performance was good are negative, anyone who thinks that the performance was fine is just clueless. There were people who were saying that Rooney was MOTM lol, Gave away ball countless times, gave away free kicks, got a yellow card, missed a penalty had one shot on target and yes assisted to the second goal, but MOTM? Now you don’t see people going around and calling them clueless right, so stop calling people who didn’t like the performance as negative. The performance wasn’t good and I am being positive.
@Den
You will notice I did say by his standards rather than a general he was awful. I’m not a Carrick hater Infact he is the 1st Midfielder I would put on the team sheet every week but his key attribute is his passing. If its a short lass or a long pass he does I with quality and rarely wastes possession.
Today however his passing was all over the shop, a couple of times he played balls directly to an Arsenel player when under no pressure giving Arsenal a real opertunity. And the were a number of cross field balls which were no where near the target and throughballs that were only good balls if we had signed the Invisible man.
He did work hard getting around the field and I can’t fault him for that but his passing was just off today
A bit off topic here.. Is anyone else as concerned as I am about the lack of singing at OT? It was embarrassing to hear the Gooners singing song after song to which we had no answer.
orez
wasn’t us fans who gave Wayne MOTM, was the guys at Sky. if it were me I’d have picked either RvP, Evans or either of our fullbacks.
TOP OF THE LEAGUE BABYyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy YEahhhhh!!!
@tom c lol I stand corrected on that. I was watching on ESPN so had no idea. I do agree with your picks though. RVP, our defense, Arse GK and the rest. I still can’t forget Valencia’s miss…well anyway. We won We top, great stuff.
Fantastic results this weekend, Chelsea & City drew. Can someone tell Roo not to celebrate by jumping on top of RVP. Rio used to do that too. Wouldn’t want an accidental injury.
” There were people who were saying that Rooney was MOTM lol, Gave away ball countless times, gave away free kicks, got a yellow card, missed a penalty had one shot on target and yes assisted to the second goal, but MOTM? ”
… pwned
There seems to be no uproar in the press about the west ham goal taken away today by a mistaken offside call (on a much more obvious error than last week’s chicha league goal against chelsea). I wonder why?
I totally called it. Chelsea having run themselves ragged would not have the beans to chase Swansea’s passing game. And they didn’t. City have no excuse, they’ve just been bollocks but really only the Europeans have felt like punishing them.
orez
when I saw RvP get clear and TonyV in the middle I thought it was ours.. then again I also thought Rooney would score from the spot..
“Football. Bloody hell.”
Esteban
It is because the decision didn’t favour United. If it was manchester united insted of city media would have been going mad. But I feel matches are not played by the refs yeah they play an important but it ultimately depends on the players to perform and win. Blaming the refs always is a joke and only losers do. How many times have we complained about the refs? Hardly. Chelsea one loss and they are going mad over refs. If they were so great they should have beaten us. You conceded 2 goals in 15 mins. That was not refs fault. I still say only losers cry over referee. I still remember when we screwed against newcastle at home last season. No one talked about that after one week. Chelsea fans are still crying. Every fan will always talk rubbish about the best thing. Manchester united are the best so rival fans talk rubbish and say we get support from refs. This shows how afraid they are and how insecure they are.
I am pretty happy we are in top of the league. May it remain the same in MAY
It pains in my ears whenever I hear Commentators refer city as champions. Yeha they are champions but to refer them champions 4 or 5 times in a match is a joke. They are making a joke to the word CHAMPION by playing pathetically. They are in the bottom place in their champions league group and thats not what champions of england do. We also got eliminated last time but commentators rightly so never referred us as champions. If City are poor admit it city are poor. They have been very lucky. IF I was a west brom fan I would have been ashamed of their players the way they lost against city. They literally gave up. Same way QPR did against them in the stoppage time which made them so called champions. Last night while I was watching City – Hammers match I was shocked when the commentators said City are the only team who have 4 quality striker. Hey what about United. We have 4 quality striker who are currently performing better than City’s 4 egoistical strikers. I am waiting for december 8th when we will get an opportunity to silence those city fans and their hype. I am very confident we will do that and beat them .
Let us continue being petrified by City &Chelsea & in the mean time we continue enjoying ourselves ON TOP OF THE PERCH………….Well wait a bit………I thought this was their year………NOOOO, it can;t be !!!!!
Good morning mates and G.G.M.U.
@Ash
I’m still alright with commentators calling City Champions, they deserved it. What irks me is people calling Chelsea European Champions. A team who had problems with our reserve team, our youth team in fact. The fact that they touched the trophy de-values it already
Marq
Everyone knows city are champions whether they deserved it or not. What frustrates me is when pundits say they have been playing like champions because they have been getting 3 points. They have been playing piss poor football. Why so gaga about them. They have spend millions and millions and yet not able to play a great football. How can champions of england perform so miserably in Europe. Last season we got eliminated because of our defence. Honestly apart from the basle game where we lost we weren’t that bad attack wise. But city are playing a joke of a football.
And as far as chelsea goes even they know they didn’t deserve to be called as champion of europe. We have to bring back the respect of both the trophies. So let us win them and bring back the respect to european championship and Premier league champions
Glad to see RVP show his old club due respect after he scored. Rightly so and shows the mans class.
Ash @ 06:15: “It pains in my ears whenever I hear Commentators refer city as champions.”
I feel your pain BUT I expect that it won’t last much longer.
Between now and the early December clash, UTD have a much easier time than Shitty: Villa/Norwich/QPR/WestHam/Reading as opposed to Spurs/Villa/Chelsea/Wigan/Everton.
UTD have no top-half opposition whereas Shitty have to contend with three of the better sides.