I wasn’t Cristiano Ronaldo’s biggest fan in his last season at United, with him appearing to be far more concerned about himself than he was the team.
You might have thought that once he got his ‘dream move’ to Real Madrid, that maybe this selfish attitude would change somewhat.
However, I was totally shocked at the weekend to see that when Ronaldo’s penaty was saved, leaving Karim Benzema to put away the rebound, our former winger was not at all impressed. He walked around with his hands on his head whilst his team mates celebrated.
Of course, all successful players have to have a selfish streak in them, and all of them are entitled to be disappointed when they screw up, but fancy showing such obvious frustration and disappointment despite your team scoring. Bear in mind, Real Madrid had been losing at one point and Benzema’s goal put them 3-2 back in front.
Would he have behaved this way at United? For all my criticism of him, I honestly find it hard to believe that had Wayne Rooney, or any other United player for that matter, put in the rebound from a missed penalty of his, he would have reacted in the same way. Maybe it’s not so dreamy in Madrid after all, eh Ron?
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he is the biggest c**t to play for united i tell you
ah come on… he’s so self-centered. we saw it time and again that he didn’t run to the player who assisted his simple tap in goal. he wants to be the center of attention, and if he’s not because of his performance he finds something else…
does anyone know how he got red carded in that game?
I dont blame Ronaldo for this, he had been out for some time and wanted to be on the scoresheet badly. He dosent like to miss penalties and thats why was disappointed.He didnt celebrate few of his goals at the start of last season too when he was at United.His explanation was that he does not celebrate when he is unhappy with his overall performances.It was him being disappointed with himself rather than anything else
@swissred
removed his shirt after scoring the goal and got yellow.2nd yellow for this silly kick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQo8IPFegmo
We’ve scored more goals this season that last without Ronaldo
It’s great to see all the players so united and sharing the goals. Apart from Rooney who is the main man of course, all our other players have scored between 1 -5 goals each
Valencia 5
O Shea 1
Carrick 2
Berbatov 4
Anderson 1
Fletcher 3
Nani 2
Giggs 3
Scholes 3
Owen 4
Welbeck 2
Gibson 3
Besides for the yellows and so on, that clip shows once again how good he is!
Cheesus Crust when he turns on the gas hes gone!
So be it, he’s arrogant and temperamental, but he is an unbelievable footballer!!
and no i doubt he would have done that at United cos he’d catch a boot in the face from Fergi…
Sort of illustrates the selfishness that the new galacticos of Real Madrid have. They’re all big egos after personal glory and it can only end in tears.
You might say that the best players have the right to be aloof but that ain’t always true. Look at Sir Ryan Giggs for proof of that.
Of topic vida out of 2moz match, looks like carrick and another at ch.
RedJoe couldnt agree more…Giggsy sets an example for the world…Ronaldo obviously wasnt taking notes.
He probably wouldn’t have done it with us, but i don’t think he is having a bad time over there. It’s just that he has embraced the primadona mentality that has made the Galacticos famous.
Off topic: With Vidic not making it i think the game tomorrow will provide SAF with an indication that in January he should go for a defender. I am fully aware that we have 9 defenders at the first team, but the only 2 that you can truly rely on are Vidic and Evra. The rest(Rio,Evans,the twins,Brown,Neville) are injury prone. O’Shea is not injury prone, but after playing so much football last season he was bound to hit his breaking point. I don’t want to buy just for the sake of buying, but how many of the aforomentioned defenders can play 10-15 games in a row for United? Evans might have, but as long as he is not taking care of his ankle, he won’t be able to get on a big run of games. We can curse out bad luck all we want, but the fact is that some of these defenders will never be fully fit to go on a long run of games.
does anyone know how serious our injuries are?
Vidic is out for only one more game, but what about the others?
Rafael
Fabio
Brown
Rio
Red Nev
De Laet
O’Shae
what time frames are we looking at for these guys? this is the busiest period of the season, and Fergie may have to buy because of the current un-precendented problems.. it is a little bit concerning!!
I don’t know
our own strikers wouldn’t be sharp enough to score the rebound
sad but true
though it is funny how we seem to be scoring for fun since mr berbatov was injured
Who cud you get in january costas? there’s not many top class center half’s around at the minute, gary cahill maybe.
I find it a poor argument to say ‘not so dreamy after all’ because ronaldo looked angry to miss a penalty
so everytime mr berbatov or mr rooney berates a team mate (which they have been doing this season) for not passing to exactly where they want to or they miss easy chances etc, united isn’t so dreamy?
bizarre argument
@Muggaz :
That’s another frustratung thing. There are no timetables for the injured players. At least they are not telling us. On Friday, Phelan wasn’t sure when O’Shea and Evans would be back.
De Laet is injured too? Shit.
Pathetic bahavior. I’m glad we don’t have to put up with this shit anymore. I think we’ve all forgotten how embarrassing it was week after week and we all seem to remember him as someone who saved our necks every match with five 40 yard volleys in every game.
It’s bullshit
The third goal in the semi final at the emirates last year – Rooney burst his lungs bringing the ball forward at pace, played in a blinding pass for Ronaldo to stick it in the empty net and what did he do? Ran off on his own thinking he was Jesus Christ.
Good fucking luck to him
@willierednut:
Nothing expensive. Maybe get someone on loan. SAF has been known for making a few successful ones(Larsson for example). I think it’s better to make a deal like that in January and wait until next summer to evaluate our current defenders and see who can be relied on. Sorry to talk like that, but that was why Saha left United. United are at their best when they can rely on a solid back 4.
@willierednut:
I am not avoiding the question, but i don’t follow the other teams too well and i can’t say who would be a good buy. But i am definitely not talking about Sol Campbell!
Shawcross or cahill, only 2 i can think of.
Ronaldo is is brilliant player but doesnt mean he is a good team player and good attitude man.
He is selfish man.
It is good to see MU still performing good after he leaving.
MU become more team work team than last years.
@Costas
Good Morning
Dont think we need to go for anyone. i am confident once rio’s back problem is solved he will play regularly.thats why we are not rushing him back so that he can get back to his best with a consistent run of games. same for evans.He was playing despite the pain in his ankle.am sure by jan we will have fully fit squad.Rather have these injuries now than the end of the season like we had in 2006-07.Hargo will be back too.he can play at RB although i prefer him in the middle of the park.
Scott, I’d disagree. He was a walking talking strop machine in his last season. Hell, yeah he’d have done something similar! His selfish streak pushes him to excel to the point of being extremely hard on himself at times. It’s a character flaw at the same time, his strength.
@willierednut:I think Shawcross would be a good choice as back up, but i am not sue if Stoke would sell him in January unfortunately.
@AIG: Hi. Look, the ideal thing for me, would be that players like Ferdinand, Neville and the twins finally put their injury woes behind them and had a healthy season. But will it ever happen? I am not that confident. In Rio’s case, i keep remembering Gary Pallister and how back problems put an end to his United career. Wes Brown played in 9 cosecutive games and just when i was thinking that he was back and healthy as a horse, he gets injured. Gary Neville played 4 consecutive games and to be honest, i was schcked he lasted so much. I agree that it’s better to have this defensive injury crisis now. The problem is that we get one every season. What can i say? I hope that this is the last time of the season that we have to deal with it.
Happened to switch over to this game on saturday night, just as the penalty was given (which never was). Thing is, he doesn’t even put on an act of being pleased for the team – it was like watching a kid at his own birthday party who’s had everyone fawning over him all day and then loses at Pass The Parcel and sulks for the rest of the day because all the attention’s been taken away from him for 2 minutes. It was genuinely embarrassing to watch – reminded me of the CL final vs Chelsea when he lay on the halfway line whilst everyone else celebrated together.
Then when he scored the 4th, the shirt was off (for the extra attention of course) and he’s all happy again…
Tomasz Kuszczak, Ben Foster, Patrice Evra, Oliver Gill, Gabriel Obertan, Magnus Eikrem, Paul Scholes, Darron Gibson, Antonio Valencia, Michael Carrick, Matty James, Darren Fletcher, Ji-sung Park, Anderson, Cameron Stewart, Nani, Oliver Norwood, Michael Owen, Danny Welbeck
squad that has travelled to germany.
Wazza,giggs,berba have been rested.
can anyone tell me more about oliver gill matty james and cameron stewart.have heard much about them.
Team vs Wolfburg
PIG
Fletcher Carrick C. Evans Evra
Nani Gibson Scholes Anderson Park
Owen
I cannot believe that we have not finished off the group. The result against Besiktas was similar to the defeat to Fernabache in 2004 where we finished 2nd and ended up playing AC
We just got to hope Fergie instructs the lads to play all out attack. We need to score 2 goals at least, which will mean a 3-2 loss would be enough to finish top
He did a similar thing last season when he got subbed in the city game.
@Costas
dont worry mate. we will be fine come new year.every team has problems and it wont be long before rentboys have theirs too.Fortunately no one has a long term injury and will be back by new year.the games will come thick and fast after feb and hopefully we will have fully fit squad then
@Sayyid:
C.Evans isn’t in the squad, so that 4th spot in defense is anyone’s guess. But it looks like Nani will finally start a game. For his sake i hope he has learned his lesson.
I am also surprised we haven’t killed off the group already. Considering we had to win one of two home games to do so and we won none. But finishing second isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Remember last season? United finish first and get Inter MIlan. Villarreal finish second and get Panathinaikos.
@Sayyid
cory evans hasnt travelled to Germany
With the team thats likely to start 2moz, i just hope we dont get a tanking, it wudn’t be good for some of our kids confidence.
People are going out of their way in emphasising trivial and irrelevant negative points about Ronaldo in order to make themselves feel better than he has left. I felt United fans were less fickle and more intelligent than this.
Lads,
I don’t think Ronaldo would have done this at United at all! We have seen him kicked to shreds and i watched most of that game and didnt see too much harsh tackles.
Reason for it
1 – Frustration, He looks to be playing more as a Further Forward Striker. Not getting the ball as much, No Runs from deep. For me loosing some of his effectivness!
2 – Attitude – I think he has the big man attitude at Real, He is their number 1 signing and it might have went to his head a little.
3 – His Manager – He might be disappointed that he did it, but would feel more guilty letting Fergusion down than his current manager.
4 – Maturity – He has to learn, rooney has been there and so have many great players!
@AIG
Hope so. January will also be a crucial period. We have the Carling Cup semis and after we (hopefully) thrash Leeds we will also have another FA cup tie. It will be Saturday-Wednesday games for the whole month.
According to our website,most of these rookies are defenders. I think Oliver Gill(son of David) is the only defender. It would be great if one of those youngsters made an impression tomorrow. Dzeko will be a handful though.
@Costas
i am not worried about who we play.inter/barca,AC,juve/Bayern anyone can finish 2nd. i want the 2nd leg at OT.thats why i want us to top the group.the 2nd leg away can be a big problem
Arrogant petulant cunt. Better off rid. Expecting dogs abuse now from “Ronaldo fans”.
Great player all the same.
Spot on aig, we topped the group last season and still got inter, dont think it makes much difference other than the 2nd leg wud be at ot.
What can you expect from Ronaldo? Who can forget against Barca in the semi final? The team celebrated on the pitch while Ronaldo walked off sulking. All because he promised to score and he didn’t. The season review DVD may have cut it out but i will never ever forget that….the moment we really saw who Ronaldo was
Costas and aig – Looks like it may have to be Oliver Gill at centre half. Can we recall Cathcart? Ridiculous situation to be in. Dzeko will be a bit more of a handful than Stanislas and Hines. Just as well we are through.
While i wudn’t go as far as king eric, i do think the boss made the rite decision getting rid of ronny.
Sayid We need 2 goals? I thought we just needed one point to top the group.
The virus that SAF said he wouldn´t sell to Madrid HAS, infact, been sold to them. I believe, overall, Ronaldo was good for United but I agree with Scott, his last season showed where he was heading and what he was turning into. It´s a glass fishbowl atmosphere here in Madrid whereas he was protected more at United. He is beginning to get found out and he will get more and more pressure here. I feel it´s going to end in tears unless he´s the centre of attention all the time.
King Eric
if we lose 3-2 we go through.it will come down head to head if we lose.1-0 amd we come 2nd.dunno what happens if it ends 2-1.think wolfsburg will go through having scored more goals
Surprised Scott Wooton hasn’t travelled. Decent centre half.
King Eric
I’m not going to give you abuse as I know you are a decent person but if you are so interested in ‘personality traits’ and how ‘virtuous’ players are perhaps you want to attend a church rather than football matches.
It wont stop with Ronaldo either. People will jump on Ferguson’s personality when he finally leaves. People succumbing to the pressure of ABU opinions I think.
aig – Cheers mate. But will a draw see us top the group?
ONCE A SEE YOU NEXT TUESDAY – ALWAYS A SEE YOU NEXT TUESDAY!
brett1985 – Fair enough mate. I just didn’t like him last season. At times he was an embarrasment. Stoke away, Villa away, city.
of topic the dippers are 66/1 to win the league haaaaaaaaaaaa
King eric.of course a draw will be good enough.cska and wolfsburg have 7 pts.we have 10.crazy defeat by 1 goal margin too wil do.something like 4-3 or 3-2
Well after calling himself a slave at Man Utd I can believe this yes. Because slavery is allowing you to win every conceivable domestic and European honour while getting paid millions a year. Yup…definately.
This action proves Ronnie deserves to be at Real Madrid. Finally he’s the big man, the don, the centre of attention. He can sulk and play his own game and his manager wont dare to question it.
The reason he wouldn’t have done that at Man Utd was because Fergie would’ve roasted his guts for lunch (hence why he never ever dared to mention leaving United unless he was away with Portugal). Pellegrini is just another stooge of Perez. Its sad to see a good manager reduced to a placeman but thats what he is and Ronaldo knows it, he knows he’s bigger than his boss and his team and he can behave how he wants.
I still believe Cristiano is the best player in the world (though playing up top doesnt showcase that, he’s a winger) but after Summer 2008 the love died for me. He’s said all the right things about United since leaving (well done Jorge Mendes and his PR people for recognising thats good for his marketing image) but I will never forget his cheek during Euro 2008 or his sulking last year and its sad.
Sad because now when I think of Ronaldo now I dont think of the joyous strike against Porto or the sumptous counter attack against Arsenal. I think of him whining and screaming at his teammates for not playing the ball exactly to his feet and throwing the United tracksuit on the floor. My memory of him will always be coloured by the bad stuff and great players shouldn’t be tarnished in that way.
Willierednut.those odds are trash.they wil win all their games till the end now .dont forget.THIS IS THEIR YEAR.
I forgot aig this is their year, to finish outside of the top 4. They lose alonso and fall apart, we lose ronny and are 2 points of the top must be galling for them.
Unfortunately for him he simply lacks the attitude and unselfishness to become a really great player or even a legend, at any club. gets a booking for taking off his shirt during his goal celebration, and another one for needlessly kicking the opposition player, so he gets sent off. Shame.
@AIG: Exactly, we don’t need a draw to finish top. Which begs the question. How will Fergie approach the game? Play an attack minded team and hope that we outscore them or at least lose 3-2 or 4-3? Or play 4-5-1 and try to shut up shop? Through this defensive crisis, 4-5-1 has really helped our defense. Look at the game at the Bridge and the one at Upton Park. As King Eric says, it’s good thing we are through.
@King Eric: Given your reputation here, i don’t think anyone can give you a hard time for speaking your mind. Last year this blog must have focused on Ronaldo’s petulance more than any other United site. A lot us commented on it. To be frank, i never had a problem with it as long as it didn’t affect our team. And thank God for Fergie, because he was the one who kept Ronaldo focused as much as possible. Looking at his body language from Sunday, last year he could have done a lot worse than he did. His antics after at the City game don’t see so bad now do they? It’s very simple. Ronaldo can do this sort of stuff at Real, because they are a circus and not a football team(emphasis on team). Who’s going to stop him?
He wouldn’t have had the guts to behave this way at united. The players, namely Neville, would throttle him. There’s also Fergie to think of. I am glad we don’t have this sort of behaviour to deal with anymore.
It’s really sad that a player of his calibre is attracted to that joke of a club. Maybe that’s where he really belongs, but we are watching his downfall. He doesn’t like being played as a forward striker, last season when Fergie did so he said he doesn’t mind playing there but prefers playing on the flank. Playing as a striker doesn’t require him to make runs/dribbles/tricks, and these are the qualities which contributed into making him the best in the world. It’s not surprising that Pellegrini is playing him out of position, he’s got a flock of stars in the team and it’s not possible to please everyone.
I do not think CR7 would’ve done what he did, check back to us beating Chelski. He was so relieved he didn’t cost his team the Champions League he broke down and cried, poor sod, lol. Of course people can say he cried only because he’s not gonna have his personal image tarnished for losing us the CL finals. I’d give him the benefit of the doubt, I’m happy enough to see John Terry do his banana dance
Interesting stuff here, I’d agree with Red_Ranter, I think this is why he’s this good, and this is why he’ll never be a United player again.
But think about it, if all he wants is to be the center of attention permanently, there’s a good chance he won’t be that at Real. Afterall they have kaka and benzema, both footballers I think are the Ronaldos of their position. Wouldn’t that then be solid case for Ronaldo to move again? And again if attention is all he deserves it’d make sense for him to move to a smaller team no? That’d make the entire team build around letting him
score and probably make him feel a whole lot better about himself too.
Crazy reasoning and speculation, couldn’t resist :p
we all know players sacrificed parts of their game here for ronaldo and alot of signs last year he was becoming more and more selfish so it doesn’t surprise me at all
he’s just arrogant, that’s him. people need to accept that and get over it, that’s him and what makes him the player he is, the worlds best goalscorer by far. would have him back at united in a heartbeat- he may have his mood swings but he’s never been anything but praising and gushing with admiration for fergie and since the fiasco summer where he wanted out he realised the wrong of his ways and showed true courage in admitting in an interview he was ‘wrong and childish’ and would have handled things differently. since then he’s been nothing but praiseworthy of united, and whether we like to admit it or not was one of the most important reasons we’ve been so successful over the past few years. he genuinely appreciates and respects the club (as shown by his continuous praise of fergie and saying he wouldnt want to play us in the CL), despite what you naysayers think, and he just loved real more and he got his dream move to his boyhood team which you can’t deny someone if they want it. hopefully he’ll realise just how good united was for him and come back sometime in the future.
De Laet is ineligible to play in the CL, has to be at the club for a period of two years to be able to play. What a shame. And I was thinking he may be injured.
Someone was talking about the celebrations.anyone remember berba and o shea rushing towards giggsy after he set up both goals at stoke or valencia celebrating with ando and rooney with valencia after 3rd and 4th goals on sat
of course he would have done that…in fact he did something similar…when tevez scored 2, there was a penalty, and everyone thought tevez deserved the chance to get his hat trick, but ronaldo took the ball and scored completely ignoring his teammate’s plea
CROoney.long time.how are ya mate? where have you been?
Kuszack
Fletcher Carrick Ando Evra
Nani Scholes Welbeck Gibson Valencia
Owen
Subs: Foster, Oliver Gill, Obertan, Magnus Eikrem, Park, Cameron Stewart, Oliver Norwood.
Will Fergie go with a 4-5-1 formation (with welbeck as AM?)
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@CROoney: Sup man, can’t help but snicker at the fact that when u say “when tevez scored two” everyone remembered which match it was. lmfao
Fze123.evra the only regular defender in there.saf has some tricky decisions to make.
Without wishing to pile into a big negative debate here I think the question of “whether he would do it at OT or not?” was actually answered in Jan 08 when we beat Newcastle 6 nil and he got his hatrick.
With the game at 3 nil he stood on 2 goals and was desperate to secure his first hatrick. The ball was chipped across the box for Rio to volley home to make it 4 nil but Ronaldo was stood square on to him inside the six yard box for a tap in open goal. He did one of his usual ‘slap’ thigh routines and turned away in disgust whilst all the other plays ran over to Rio. Ronaldo just walked away.
When he did get his 3rd Rio was one of the fist to congratulate Ronaldo!
So YES he would!
Aig alex is god, I think he will definitely play Fletcher and Evra in defence. The rest is a mystery. I wouldn’t worry too much if we lose, tbh I am not expecting an away win. I have a lot of faith in them but we will still finish second if we drop points in germany. Just hope I don’t hear anyone saying ‘the kids are shit, no future at utd’ and all that crap.
Aig alex is god – oh …hey mate – what a pleasent surprise – i didn’t think anyone would remember me…
i took some time off coz i consider this place to be very in a “what???you don’t know shit ” style …. but there are some decent poster worthy to debate with
AL – sorry mate didn’t understand that
I’d welcome back Ronaldo tomorrow. I don’t give a shit if he’s a stroppy twat. He won us games.
@CROoney
I remember a while back we where having a debate about darron gibson, how do you rate is last 2 performance’s?
willierednut – this humble pie tastes excellent :p
on a more serious note – i’ve never, not one scond, doubted his shooting abilities…he’s united’s best shooter
now when speaking about performances (overal display when you take away his goals ) you’ll see that he was either average or even bellow average in some part of his game
but if he can continue perfoming like that (average) and if he can continue scoring like that i’d take him over carrick any day…
once again, excellent shooter…
this is why i dont like ronaldo
Utter cunt
yes, he would have done and he did it plenty of times anyway
Omg im soo bored here with no united news
at least theres the snooker on.
btw – to all of you who didn’t see why i rate tevez higher than berbatov – hopefully this explains it…i posted it on a “thank you city” article
“let me tell you this
when berbatov manages to do what tevez did against chelsea, i’ll rate him as good as tevez
he was an enigma to their entire defence…got the 3 players booked, won and scored a decisive free kick…most importantly – did it against a top top team – something i’ve been waiting for berbatov to do in a year and a half now…sure they will both win you some small matches, one in a more flashy way, but tevez’ ability to perform when it matters edges it big time for me…
tevez as a person doesn’t come in this argument of course
“
CRooney
Im sorry to disagree with you…
But Sir bobby charlton is united’s best striker
If ronaldo would have got this in our colors we would have been slaughtered for it
Hypocritical ABU’S.
>.>
scott i have stay you licked ronaldo’s ass last season now your saying you weren’ t his biggest fan
crooney are you talking on berbatov scoring a goal or a FREEKICK?
Cause berbatov did that at the 3-0 drubbing remember? anyway berbatov is not tevez and we know that ….we all know that he doesn’t run like him (who cares! we got valencia for that department!) Right?
Just looking at our upcoming league fixtures, Villa this weekend is the hardest game for about 6 weeks. I’m confident we can beat Villa comfortably and win the rest of the games in the upcoming weeks/months. By the end of that period, we should be top and in top gear.
Ain’t bothered about tomorow to be honest. Were through and we can beat anyone in the next round, especially Madrid. I do hope Berbs and Micky play together though.
Premiership is by far more important than Champions League. The Premiership is the best league in the world with fast, attacking, entertaining football. Champions League football is slow and boring with nothing to get excited about until the Semi’s.
League>Europe
Although we will win both because we are Manchester United Football Club.
The first few times i saw gibbo play i didn’t think he was up to it, but the last few games ive started to see improvement in his game. And lets be honest, if you cant improve your game playing wiv giggs and scholesy, then you’ll never improve.
And your final piece of the sentence crooney,Im sort of not defending berbatov’s case im defending united,Valencia again comes to mind.
He scored the 2 decisive goals against CSKA,and he hit the bar in the few final minutes at anfield,Valencia is sort of the new tevez for me and im the only one noticing that.
Macheda is GOD- Wasn’t Sir Bobby a midfielder most of the time? I know he played as a striker, but he was known as a midfielder, I thought.
Is this a joke Scott?
Did you forget that Ronaldo didn’t even celebrate United winning the CL? This guy is the biggest cunt in football.
Good Fucking Bye, United are 100x better off without this twat.
willierednut mate
I knew he was something special when he scored that cracker at hull on the final day
Red army
I totally agree with you against villa,and they’re on fine form beating hull 3-0
We better bring out our big guns on that game,thank god we already qualified for the champions league
Anyway continuing on your comment,I dont think we can win the champions league,we can’t just leave it all to rooney(im not giving up) its just we need that extra power that second terrific striker (like the one here in which i mentioned yesterday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PgRbwml9rg&feature=fvsr Dzeko)
I watched him on eurosport’s eurogoals programme all week
he’s fantastic.hes decent and at a negotiable club
boogeyman m8
your missin the point crooney said hes the best united Shooter
My old man always told me that since he almost saw all bobby’s games
Redsmoke
As far as I remember,he shed to tears at the fact he achieved such an achivement,right? he was left speachless lol
Macheda IS GOD
mate – not scoring against chelsea only
tevez is known for
PERFORMING when the going gets tough – he proved that at west hame when his goal defeated US, and at United when he scored some crucial goals against top teams, along with performing in those matches…who cares about 1 goal berbatpov scored while we had already been 2-0 in the 90th minute against chelsea…i think it’ pretty much obvious to everyone that tevez suited us better than berba…his style contributed more and we could have used him in ANY match while we can’t use berbatov against arsenal or chelsea
…scoring in small matches is not what he was brought here to do..although most of his lovers use it when justifying his purchase..someone will do it eventually..someone will win those matches -we all knwe he could score those— we had the class for those even without him -
he was brought here for that new dimesnion in europe, to take us the step forward and he’s failed to do it so far…
tevez’ united career was so much better than berbatov’s, that much is pretty obvious to any unbiased fan, but as a player, although berbatov has better tehnique and everything that goes with it , i’d take tevez for his mental strenght and his abilty to perform in ANY match
what’s that about sir booby charlton though
Spencer – If Rooney/Berbatov berated a team mate for not passing to them… even if the move finished with a goal, then your argument would be comparable. But Ronaldo didn’t miss a penalty and the score stayed at 2-2. Ronaldo missed and his team mate scored, putting Real Madrid in to the lead after they had been losing 2-1 at one point.
Can you recall an occasion when one of our players has missed the chance to score, but one of the other players capitalised on that, yet the initial player stood their sulking with his hands on his head whilst the others celebrated? Nope, me neither.
Your comparison is bizarre.
*bobby
I agree with you on the last bit tho
Well the “virus” has truly began to infect that “mob”
Enjoy the end of Perez and Valdano’s sequel to the Galacticos : )
I did make this point out on Saturday – I stand by my comments that his dream to move to Madrid was based solely on his wish to accumulate more money and recognition – ala Becks. However he could have done it here whilst at the same time being part of probably the biggest Team ever.
To make my point he got World player and Ballon d’or playing for Manchester United – let’s see if he ever gets it for that “mob” – not when Iniesta – Xavi – Messi – bloody hell even Pique are playing next door in the same league. Also this smacks in the face of all those idiots who say that it is better to play in Madrid because the weather is better – to that I would answer yes it was better to work in Dubai for a luxurious lifestyle but unfortunately the sunshine has no control over your efforts in the workplace – get my drift?
He was at the end foolish and immature to believe that Real Madrid was the answer for him – my argument was always that after SAF there is only Wenger who can master the art of football and despite everything, we should give credit to that.
Yes there are good managers – but Pellegrini? He managed a side that punched above their weight – that’s all they did – so again I can’t understand why the need to move when the most important part of the jigsaw isn’t viable enough. All this means is that, that “mob” will keep on changing managers like they always did – and the so called project will end up like it did previously – broken.
I do appreciate though that Ronaldo never moved to work for Pellegrini – in fact the crazy thing is he hasn’t even gone for the team – he has gone solely for himself. Unfortunately he just does not know what impact that will bring – this is why I said on Saturday that at MUFC the team carried him – at Madrid he is only one part of the machine. It is true that he is Madrid’s best player – but unlike being at OT, at Madrid they will not stand by him in order for him to make his mark – at the end what differs from OT is that that “mob” are full of ego’s – and that will be his eventual downfall. Cue the penalty miss on Saturday and how he reacted. Cue his goal celebration and most importantly his sending off. To answer your question he would never have done two out of those three if he was in the United shirt.
I would never want him back – the evolution of Manchester United stands and waits for no one – according to some people we would have had Becks back or Van Nistelrooy back too – a little bit FMesque if you ask me.
Ronaldo at the end sold himself out and bought the name of this club into question especially in the summer of 2008. A lot of fans do not understand that players can be replaced – but the club, and most importantly the name , the history, the love affair cannot. At the end we have enough players to evolve yet again whilst Ronaldo will in time suffer when all that “mob” can do is buy themselves out of trouble. That is not to say that he will not have success – he will but never at the rate he had here.
Therefore he is perfectly suited to where he is. We at the end have bigger fish to fry, and more youth to nurture. Ronaldo came and went he still is no equal to a Giggs or a Keane or a Scholes or a Solskjaer. End of
macheda is god
gibson is the best shooter in the current team – not ever
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/388190750?-11193
Look’s like alan hansen is’nt convinced about gibbo.
willierednut – can’t see anything to disagree with hansen there
Bang on scott, his reaction was shocking wen benzema put the ball in the net, all about himself still a great player though.
Crooney
But tevez is sloppy and his touch is poor on the ball I dont care about the heart he put in for his runs,Fergie bought berbatov at the season when he scored 23 goals,even i would have bought him,berbatov is creative, he makes things happen,he reacts,he just doesn’t have the pace
Sure your last bit makes perfect reason but we got rooney for that matter dont we?
And now I will use valencia Again,He scored 5 goals already He has already equaled Tevez’s Goal tally from last season.Don’t you think we found the replacement?
when did i say gibbo’s the best striker ever?
I suppose CROoney but you cant do much better than 3 goals in 2 games, time will tell for gibbo but i think darron is on the rite track.
great write MG
So fucking annoying not having the defenders we have to play fletcherino at the back
Argh get fit i miss those great underated balls
http://www.studs-up.com/
lolll
mate – football is not evevrything about tehnique( first touch goes to tehnique)
if it was then okocha would have been the greatest player in the history of EPL…it’s not about tevez heart either..it’s about his ability to influence on his team , to dragg you forward and to actually win you some big important matches
and this “,berbatov is creative, he makes things happen,he reacts,he just doesn’t have the pace” – this is all PARTIALY true . he does all that against sunderland type a teams – never seen him doing that when it matters…against the top teams..at least not regularly..he tends to disappear during the match goes on my nerves too…
as for your valencia part – he got 5 goals overall (3 in epl ) – tevez last season got 15..and it was a poor season in which he managed to score some important goals also..there is an interesting article about tevez on the net where it shows that his contribution can’t be measured by goals and assists – it says that last season he was involved in all 5 goals we put past spurs wihtout getting on the highlights of those goals…you can’t measure how many times he robbed the defenders, how many times he urged them to give us the ball from which we ultimately scored and things like this
he isn’t 30 mill. player though..neither is berbatov – i’d say that tevez is 20 million pounds player and berbatov is 14-15
Macheda IS GOD – i thought that you meant that i meant that gibbo was the best striker ever
why else did you bring charlton into debate
i think it was two seasons back against derby county when ronaldo missed about 4 clean chances and then finally scored. then he ran around the pitch holding up his fingers and counting off to the cameras, players, and stadium, how many chances he missed with an angry look on his face.
it didn’t appear to be as bad a self centered act like this one, but it is just one example of many, on how he dwells on personal failure and how it really interferes with his concept of team. him going to ground and crying over being let off the hook for his moscow pk miss instead of celebrating with his mates straight away is another example of this personality trait of his.
anyway, this attitude gave him the determination to be a great talent, but it also makes him look like a selfish twat most of the time.
on your first comment i agree on everything except the price…AT THE TIME
the 07/08 was great for dimitar
and on your second comment i brought on charlton cause you told willie rednut someone(cant find it in the comments) “hes united’s best striker”
I disagreed and I said sir bobby was the best striker
he would take his shirt off thats for sure!
@crooney
let’s not forget scholesy! until paul scholes is done and dusted there will be only one current best shooter at united.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkMXCW0JSBw
it’s not even close. the man’s been scoring crackers like that for years! imho, gibbo is the heir to that throne, but not there just yet.
macheda
mate roque santa cruz, martins ( had better first season than berbatov ), benny mccharty,defoe also had their seasons and showed their abilities in the smaller teams – none of them (including berbatov ) are worth more that 20 million tops
macheda – if i said that rooney’s the best attcker (striker ) at united would you mention charlton too ? it doesn’t make any sense at all..mentioning charlton when speaking about current players
rooninho – scholes has been doing it for ages, no one disagrees, but he’s slowly reaching his end
Pip – how do you figure that??
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/why-offering-ronaldo-200000-a-week-would-be-ridiculous/
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/i-wonder-if-ronaldo-is-arsed-about-what-god-thinks-now/
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/the-unavoidable-ronaldo-rant/
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/fergie-finally-has-a-word-with-ronaldo-about-his-attitude/
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/we-need-shire-horses-like-neville-not-show-ponies-like-ronaldo/
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/grow-up-ronnie-lad/
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/criticising-fergusons-tactics-do-one/
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/what-happens-when-you-dont-like-two-players-in-your-own-team/
etc.
@crooney
sadly, no doubt mate. but just saying, even here at the end, even against west ham in the last match, his half volley goal to start the scoring was world class. gibbo’s goal was magic as well, but until he’s gone, it will be scholes as united’s best shooter for me. – i’m also very biased – scholesy is my favorite footballer (bar none) of all time!
Off topic
Who has fifa 10 for the ps3?
I wanna play cause im a tad bored
When I’m 643 years old and some kid asks me what it was like to watch Ronaldo I’ll think back and I can’t shake the memory of him trowing down his traxksuit top in a hissy fit I haven’t seen from Emily in well over a year because he got subbed and he wanted to score again because he wanted to be top goal scorer, I was so happy seconds before that because unites where beating city but, and I swear this, when I seen that I was delighted Nick the sulk got the golden boot. His last game in which he scored for united finished with about as much dignity as Steve mes trip into the Liverpool 500 club
Tevez worth 5 million more than Dimi. Sorry but that is pure horseshit.
This is slowly turning into a wank-stain of a debate!
Please Scott, CAN WE HAVE SOME MORE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
ps. We all know Ronnies a big girl, Gibbo has a future & Berba pisses all over Tevez. Ciao!
off topic-
anyone seen the traveling squad to wolfsburg? i don’t think most of them kids were even born when giggsy made his debut!
Red Army – you’re right – based on his united career he’s worth 10 more
jesus
See the cunt Stan YSB Collymore is talking shite again.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/stan-collymore/Why-Steven-Gerrard-must-quit-Liverpool-now-to-win-the-Premier-League-plus-Megson-on-brink-at-Bolton-article247225.html
In just one match, Cristiano showed 5 tracks of his B side. Everything United fans (or at least I) were ashamed for:
1. Miss a penalty (CL semifinal and final).
2. Take out his jersey to earn a card (Carling Cup final)
3. Red card for violence (every year at ManUtd).
4. Dive to get the penalty (last couple of years at United). FIFA report considers it dubious.
5. His selfishness not congratulating Benzema.
He just needed to get upset at his manager (like City sub) and hand-gesture the fans (Benfica CL) to show his complete repertoire.
Did you hear? Some blogs say that Benzema was a bad investment. “A package”, they call him.
@ghtt
stevie me joined the liverpool 500 club? 500 dives? thought he reached that mark a few years back!
i hate liverpool
have you ever heard of tevez richerdson heinze, oh yes you hate liverpool that judas twat heinze wanted to move to liverpool, and where did tevez go oh yea man shitty another judas.
rooney the new king
ronaldo also said he wouldn’t mind joining city one day
Some of the opinions on here
/facepalm
This must be what it is like on a Man City messageboard.
it was a clear penalty as he completely outsmarted the keeper…it is not his responsibility to stay on his feet if the keeper is stupid enough to tripp him…why should he ?
there was a contact, more than minimal, hence the penalty was clear
you know brett, just because it is “in” these days to hate tevez for his words about SAF (people often fail to differenciate SAF to United ), doesn’t matter that no one should rate him as a player
besides, there are always two sides of the story and most of the stuff were blown out of proportion… at least he didn’t use the word “bastard”or similar like ruud did when he said he can’t stand seeing fergie on the telly anymore
CROoney
Tevez is not worth 10 million more than Berbatov. That is hilarious. All of a sudden when Tevez scores against the Rentboyz, you say he’s worth this and that and that he is such a great player, etc. etc. Where have you been the for the rest of the season? Not posting anything praising Tevez because he hasn’t done ANYTHING this season to justify his absurd price tag.
“it says that last season he was involved in all 5 goals we put past spurs wihtout getting on the highlights of those goals…you can’t measure how many times he robbed the defenders, how many times he urged them to give us the ball from which we ultimately scored and things like this”
If you are going to bring up the Spurs comeback, I would argue that Berbatov contributed far more to the goals than Tevez did. I still remember Berba playing a ball to Ronaldo, who then played in Tevez one-time, and what did Tevez do? Shoot directly into the keeper. Tevez may have been a catalyst for the comeback, but it is short-sighted and silly to insinuate that Tevez was involved more in the comeback than Berba.
anyone hear adrium durham on talksport, he said if steven gerrard dives in the world cup I am all for it what an idiot, oh yes he said steven gerrard did not dive if ronaldo did it can u imagine the uproar against england if he was at united still.
John O’shea and Johnny Evans wont play again this year.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5754225,00.html
CROoney
If I may ask, what exactly is the difference between slagging Sir Alex and slagging United? They are one in the same to me. I don’t care if Tevez said something about the groundsmen at Old Trafford, he has no class and is a money-hungry tw*t, and more importantly, sh*te as a player.
Rooney and Berba are out for aston villa game
lol ronaldo in worold shortlist
FAIL
Fze123
where you hear that??
sanj
tevez was effective and more impressive and he contributed more than what berbatov has done at united. berbatov I dont think is that much better than tevez and sometimes tevez even edges out berbatov but I have never been a tevez fan, berbatov is far more talented but has yet to show he is worth for the team.
@Fze123, out for Villa match or Wolfsburg?
Ferguson confirmed Wayne Rooney and Dimitar Berbatov took minor knocks at West Ham.
Rooney has hamstring injury while Berbatov has a knee problem, with both rated doubtful for Saturday’s home game with Aston Villa.
@United4eva, I couldn’t have said it better myself.
I remember looking for Cristiano’s reaction everytime other players scored because most of the times he would not join in the celebration. That’s Cristiano Ronaldo. He loves the attention. He is an amazing player. I won’t lie, I miss him as a player but that’s about it. His attitude is so poor most of the times that it eclipses the player that he is. When he left it was a relieve in a way because his attitude was getting worse each day.
I have said this before and I will say it again, he has been praising United since he left because he and f* Jorge Mendes are very clever and are keeping their options open. I wish he had shown the same amount of respect for our club in his last two years with us.
For me he will always be and amazing player but one with very very flawed character.
So back to the question: Would Ronaldo Have Done This At United?
A: Yes and much worse i.e stupid reaction at being replaced against City ( lack of respect to Albert Morgan and Sir Alex).
I rest my case.
@ rooney the new king/CROoney
Do we really need to get into this again? We all know how you feel already. If Tevez is such a great player, then you think Sir Alex was wrong to not want to spend almost 50 million for a squad player? I’d love to hear your argument for that.
@Jack
Fergie said they are both doubts for this weekend in his press conference.
sanj -” Not posting anything praising Tevez because he hasn’t done ANYTHING this season to justify his absurd price tag”
lol – he’s done more than berbatov obviously…scored 2 more goals in the same number of games
that part about him being 10 million more worth was a joke, but i rate him ahead
“sanj – Sir Alex was wrong to not want to spend almost 50 million”
where did you pull that shit out of ? ultimately SAF offered what they requasted but tevez had already made his mind of quitting united
tevez has shown he can win you big matches , berbatov is yet to show that…oh and considering we had tevez for about 6-7 million he was definitely better bussiness than berbatov
neither of them is 30 million pounds player
sanj
did I say tevez was a great player no I dont think he is anything special, but he was more effective in the united team than berbatov has been, but dont forget berbatov has scored about 18 goals that is a poor return like it or not when berbatv is the finished article I dont think berbatov is that much better. and united still over payed for berbatov same has city over payed for tevez it is no different. look at veron we over payed for him and hargreaves he cost 18 million and he seems to be like aquilana for liverpool. not gonna go into who was and who was not a flop but you must realise even fergie has got a phew big buys wrong.
@jack
“…won’t play again this year” made my heart stop for a second!
out until around january 1st sounds much better.
@fze123
what happen to rooney and berba? i guess we’re gonna find out how good our youth academy is this month.
@CROoney
So now goals matter? I thought you just said it’s not about the goals and statistics? “there is an interesting article about tevez on the net where it shows that his contribution can’t be measured by goals and assists.” So based on your own criteria, Berbatov is a far better player because his contribution cannot be measured in goals and assists.
“We left Ryan behind because we’ve been playing him in one game a week and that has worked for us. He is fit for Saturday, but Berbatov and Rooney are both doubtful.”
Fergie, on official website.
@CROoney
Educate yourself, mate. Then you won’t sound so short-sighted.
Manchester City are paying an astonishing £47 million fee to Carlos Tévez’s private “owners” in a move that obliterates the British transfer record. The deal makes the Argentina striker the fifth most expensive footballer of all time.
City’s billionaire Arab owners have agreed to pay almost twice the £25.5 million fee widely reported to have changed hands, The Times can reveal. An initial £15 million payment is to be followed by two additional sums of £16 million.
Another £3.5 million will be paid if City win the Champions League while Tévez is at the club — an improbable scenario, but Sheikh Mansour has already shown the lengths to which he is prepared to go to transform the club from perennial underachievers into contenders for the biggest prizes.
“Would he have done this at Utd?’
Umm…yes?
I seem to recall him lying prostrate in relief sobbing after Van Der Sar saved Anelka’s penalty in Rome – as opposed to running with his teammates to congratulate VDS and celebrate the Champs League win.
Ronaldo is a perfectionist and sensitive to what he does right and wrong – to the extreme.
Hence he looks crestfallen when he misses a penalty and takes an inordinate amount of time to recompose himself – but then looks like he just scored the winner in the WC final after he puts away a sitter – all in the same game.
It’s this aspect of his personality which has driven him to reach the level that he has and that ironically also makes it very difficult for people (even his own fans) to like him.
sanj – that goes for all those who compared their achivements only through their goals ( btw in that tevez edged him last season also )
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={F9E570E6-407E-44BC-800F-4A3110258114}&newsid=6643889&page=2
@fze123 – thanks mate!
owen, welbeck, and kiko are the greatest strike force in the world!
so there not out fze123 just doubts lol
Yeah, I never liked the way Ronaldo would bask in his own glory rather than run over to thank the player who’d set him up. I recall Rooney and co being totally unselfish when Ronaldo was in a better position, with Ronaldo not reciprocating in similiar situations. Says much of his character and team ethic.
I’m happy to see our players relying on a team ethic and chipping in with goals from all over, especially our midfielders. Our formation and system seems to allow our players to express themselves more now rather than single-mindedly working out how to get the ball to Ronaldo. In our current squad, there is no one i can single out for being petulant, a cheat, or selfish. With $80m in the bank to boot, I’d say history would show, once again, that Sir Alex has done a brilliant piece of business.
@ rooney the new king
Fair enough, mate. However, I do not think Berbatov is a flop. Coming into a team that won the Champions League and the Premier league, then what happens? United win the league AGAIN and make it to the Champions League final again.
@ Andrew, spot on, mate.
CROoney
good point there but if we gonna use all compititions he did chip in about 35 goals in 2 years so he has been better buisness than berbatov. but people I heard ppl say he will be better in his second season well he has not been any better, united I still feel need a no 9 a striker that will lead the line that will do it week in week out and help rooney out who is now becoming an even better striker. berbatov for me thinks about past great players too much like cantona etc, the selfish players and the great players dont care about the past they live in the moment, berbatov does not live in the moment and that is the difference he worries too much about what past great players done. does anyone think cantona lived in the past no he lived in the moment and that is the difference.
On a seperate note, what do you guys like to play over there on PS3 / Xbox?
Fifa 2010? or PES 2010 (Winning Eleven)?
Im hooked on Winning Eleven 2010 Master league. For anyone that grew up with Football Manager but are a bit jaded of the last few installments, this is a good marriage of managerial skills and gameplay.
@ Jack
Yes, sorry. It was an overstatement, guess I overreacted. Lol.
@Andrew, here in the states I am a loyal PES player.
sanj – “United win the league AGAIN and make it to the Champions League final again.”
you can make of it what you like but it only tells you that we’ve taken a step back actually..we won the league again, but the main difference is that we weren’t at least joint top scorers for the first time in 4 years…in my opinion,it has very much to do with berba who slowed us down and made us to completely change the way we play to suit him…
besides – we also won a world club championship if you’re gonna compare the seasons although i see it as irrelevant..but i must add that in those berba didn’t feature a single minute
Why is this tevez and berbatov debate still going on? There are more important things to worry about, such as the bizarre increase of injuries to our players. Who from the the first team isn’t injured yet? What if Fletcher, Carrick, Scholes and Ando pick up injuries in Germany?
Wish I was as optimistic as you rooninho. I hope the reserves will somehow win and earn us 3 points against villa.
sanj
I will wait till the end of the second season if fergie is happy if he is moved on in the summer berbatov propably never worked out. but berbatov is like he has got writters block well the new nickname for players footballers block. but the main problem he has got well 2 things is he seems mentally weak, and he does not live in the moment.
I was watching scrubs and turk was not seen has the top surgeon and given full responsibility why because he never lived in the moment he thought what he could do that is berbatov he has got to stop thinking what past players have done and start creating his own stamp on the club, if every great united player worried about past great players we would never have great players and thats where strong mentality comes in.
rooney the new king – i didnt’ understand some of the points…i said that considering what we spent on both players that tevez has been better piece of business
I think in the last seaon at United he might have done the same as he was being a prime cock around this time.
@ Sanj thanks mate, I’m not gonna weigh in on the Berbs debate that you have going.. he has done enough to deserve a spot on the team IMO but at the same time if fans were to do finger pointing its easy to finger Berbs for not looking interested, hunched shoulders and all, and not running around like a mad chicken.
Yes PES is Winning Eleven in Asia. Im a loyal fan too…if u haven’t already checked out the master league, its damn bloody addictive. I like what they’ve done for player development, skill cards and other elements they’ve thrown in that affect teamwork.
Fze123
I have no clue someone started it so I decided to give my 2 cents on the issue. but like I said we need a central powerful striker that will get in behind defences. because in valencia if he keeps getting better we may have the fast skillful version of david beckham, add a central striker we will be the most deadly attacking lineup in the game. it will give us a plan B to play a 433 we are 1 piece of the jigsaw away from having the complete attacking lineup.
but the injurys are desperate we are losing players every day now rooney and berbatov who else. this united squad if we can get players back and get through this injury crisis this squad is FM 2010 style it is so unrealistic what united are doing. remember 02/03 season how many injurys did we lose that year.
@ rooney the new king
Comparing Berbatov at United to Turk in Scrubs is one of the worst analogies I’ve ever heard.
@fze123
just making a joke out of what has become a ridiculous injury situation. i don’t really think owen, welbeck, and kiko are the best strike force in the world, lol! spot on, about fletch, carrick, scholes, ando getting injured. fletch and carrick make up half of our starting defenders at this point! wtf is going on?!
this tevez vs berba thing… argue all you want mates, but it’s old news at this point.
@Fze123
Good question, mate. I just saw some of the rubbish people were posting because Tevez finally did something for the MASSIVES and decided to defend Berba.
CROoney
I ment because berbatov thinks of the past players it has made him a inconsistant player he does not live in the here and now. if fergie worryed about sir matt busby and what he done would he be the manager he is now. people made the excuse berbatov is in a title winning team and that is why he is struggling, well van nistlerooy came into a united team that won more than when berbatov did when he arrived and he totaly took the prem by storm in his first 2 years. roy keane he arrived into a team that was a mans team and were champions did keane worry about that no he did not he made himself into the player of his own way that is what the great players do.
sanj
it is a bad way 2 do an analogy sorry about that but what I ment was live in the moment dont think of what you could do in the past or future, if all great united players thought of what they could do and worry then they will never make it. did ronaldo worry about best no and he thinks he can take on the world
Absolutely would he have done this for us.
did some one say earlier that that oliver gill is son of david or is somebody pullin my plunger??
@ rooney the king
Fair play, mate.
@ rooney the new king
It’d be a miracle if we could get all players fit by jan, including hargo. Jan is the most important month of the season; if we are top of the league or still 2 points behind we have a huge chances of bringing back the title. Also, there’s leeds and shitty to play. If we don’t win against both as a result of injuries, heck, I will flee the country. Don’t want to hear the scum fans gloating and getting big-headed.
cleverley starts for watford v qpr…its on sky..kick off 7:45 if anyone is interested
@cantona192
i don’t know what is going on with your plunger (lol!), but yes he’s the son of david gill. maybe not the weirdest thing- darren played for fergie, harry and jamie redknapp, nigel played for brian clough, etc.
@ rooninho
Yeah, I assumed you weren’t serious! Although it’s fair to think that maybe Macheda and Welbeck could develop a formidable partnership and become the best strikeforce in the world.
@ sanj
Berbatov > Tevez.
Magic > Running.
Class > Chicken.
sanj
believe me it was a shocking anology but you know what I ment, on ronaldo I got to praise ronaldo on the confidence of the guy it is sensational. he does not care how big the club is he feels he can just be bigger than even madrid. and that is the mentality of the guy and that is what I want berbatov to start behing a bit who does not give a damn on the size of any club he showed that at spurs and he was a success.
Fze123
it is so desperate it is just unbelievable. I look at the players united have lost, the new players not only to settle in but we have to get them to step up. like I said if wwe can get 2 players back from defence we will be fine I think
@ rooney the new king
I think Vidic and Brown’s injuries are not as serious, so I have a feeling they’ll be fit for Saturday. Hoping so anyway. Although if they aren’t, don’t rule out the possibility of free trials for utd fans in the next few days at Carrington where Fergie will pick 3 lucky fans to partner Evra, decent enough to get the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to fill in for the defence roles against villa.
@Fze123, you should have posted that earlier. Would have saved me a lot of typing!
@fze123
fingers crossed mate! let’s hope it starts at wolfsburg, carries on through december and into the run in starting in january. if they get injured, we might need to bring ole, henrik larsson, and ruud back at this point! i’m more worried about fletch and carrick having to play in the back four. and who’s going to partner carrick at centre half? evra again? f’n hell!
Fze123
vidic and brown at the back is good enough for me. with de laat and evra at full back we should be fine. anyone listening to talksport they are talking about the united and liverpool debt done by glazers gillet and hicks. well some good points I wonder where all the money we have made in the past 3 years from our success.
@Fze123
HAHAHAHA
jack
thank you.. never seen watford/cleverley before..
he starts on CM, interesting…
CROoney Said
My comment had nothing to do with the attitude of fans to Tevez. You have completely misunderstood. I’m tired of the negativity towards Ronaldo by fans who on one hand like players to be moral, virtuous and loyal but are themselves ungrateful bastards.
United fans are often said to be arrogant when predicting success, a point of view I have always disagreed with. However to have a 26-42 goal winger and dismiss him, only talking 99% of the time about his flaws. That to me is arrogant. There are a great many fans on this blog who would categorise themselves as hardcore, true fans, the salt of the earth. So spoilt are they by success they can barely mention Ronaldo’s overwhelming positive contribution. I could very well say that Ronaldo’s output last season showed just how professional he is. But when presented with the chance to run his name down, they go against the lad, bitter that he decided to leave.
There was less negativity about Ronaldo from ABUs last season, than there is in this thread. Clearly some fans have got a hard time about Ronaldo by ABUs and weren’t up to defending him. As soon as he has left they have jumped into bed with his detractors.
Congratulations on taking away from United fans the chance and opportunity to enjoy a legend and our best player ever by bringing up very petty gripes to do with his character.
his class sprite, not sure about him in cm though
Hi all,
@ CRooney, I’m sorry mate, but I think your opinion on Tevez vs Berbatov is unfounded
Tevez & Berba have different styles
Tevez is a terrior, hard workrate, always playing @ 110% pushing his abilities to the limit
Berba is a Finishing playmaker. A creater & a finisher (often in the same move & proven by the assist tally {AND the many Non-stat thru-balls/flicks & tricks that lead to goals) He is technically gifted.
Have you SEEN the shots/passes/flicks he pulls off???
Not only are these attributes FAR (by a million fucking miles) more entertaining to watch, but they supply their recipient more time on the ball AND frustrate/open-up/dis-hinge defences
And furthermore,
Tevez was here before Bervatov, Had more time to bed in.
Berbatov was/is the ‘Main Man’ for Tottenham/Bulgaria = he has had to change the way he plays to suit the team. His transition is organic because (like the great man he is) Fergie does not like ‘rubbing out’ new players’ attributes, unlike the waiter from La Tasca!
Tevez was more or less slowly dropped on to the pitch (prob via a crane), batteries loaded, legs a’flailing, ready to make some trouble. And he did.
I am tired of preaching to the blind about Berba!!! I think a great man once said,
‘If you don’t get Berbatov, you don’t get football.’
This isn’t even a bias thing. It’s plain simple. Berbatov > Tevez.
If Fergie, Opta, Fifa 10 & Pes10 are in agreement, how can you argue against them?
& sorry if you felt lambasted in your time here before, but if you come up with arguements like that, e-slapped you myself*!! ;O)
@ MiG, what is your FIFA10 username? you still fancy some beatings!!hehe
fze vidic is not injured,he got the flu
My Username is kuledX
lol Fze
brett1985
ronaldo proffesional last year LOL I cant believe you used ronaldo and real profesional last year in the same sentence. yea like he ruined our summer when united won the euro and premiership. and his little tantrums when on many occasions he almost got sent off. his hissy fits when he was brought off. lack of celebrations on some of his goals, so dont say he was profesional.
Berbatov is terrible. I took stock of his big game impact for the club vs Arsenal/Chelsea/Liverpool and knockout stage games of the champions league onwards. Well he just doesn’t get picked. Out of a possible 16 such matches he has started only 8 getting 1 goal and 1 assist in the process. We’ve got fans who regard Berbatov as a God yet jump at the chance to put down Ronaldo. This is what we have to put up with. Berbatov is a complete flop.
@ brett1985
First of all, Ronaldo is not our greatest player ever, nor is he a United legend. Not even close.
Character has everything to do with being a Manchester United player. It is silly to compare supporters like us to professional footballers. I would like to think that Manchester United, the world’s biggest club, holds its players to a higher standard. We are not professional footballers being paid millions every year. If Ronaldo wants to throw his toys out of the pram, so be it, but he looked like a selfish, self-absorbed tw*t.
If you were talking about our ACTUAL greatest player ever (Giggs in my opinion), you would see that not only did he contribute on the field, but has always held himself to a higher standard than the rest off the field.
rooney the new king:
He only ruined that time for you because you are overly sensitive. I love the way that almost getting sent off is one of your reasons! If you think this about Ronaldo you must have an even lower opinion of Roy Keane, George Best etc due to their respective flaws. People have no level of consistency- Ronaldo unhappy at being subbed is throwing his toys out of the pram, Rooney is passionate…
@ sanj
Sorry mate. I advice you not to join in on discussions which imply that tevez is worth millions, better than berba, blah blah. Pointless. Unless you agree with them, but I doubt you do
@ rooninho
How about ringing up Smith and Eagles and ask them for a favour. I am sure they would be more than willing to sacrifice themselves to their former club. I am also sure Andy would put his boots on and jump into the pitch if asked to.
@rooney the new king
Your last post is spot on.
Agree with rooney the new king, actually only games he was truly ‘professional’ in were the second semi-final leg against arsenal, and porto away. Rome, city at home, hissy-fit against arsenal cannot be categorised as ‘professional’.
@brett1985
Overly sensitive? I think the vast majority of United fans feel the exact same way. Perhaps you have a bit of a man-crush on a certain Portuguese footballer and think he can do no wrong.
Watching QPR Watford Tom Cleverly seems some player.. Whats the verdict on him? Do people reckon he will make it at United? He seems like a very clever player
Sanj
Whilst I can see the attractiveness of picking a fairly flawless personality such as Giggs as our greatest ever player ability wise he isn’t a patch on Ronaldo. I’ve argued on this forum that Giggs was a worthy player of the year last year due to his professionalism etc and others have turned round and said he didn’t deserve it.
That said, to continue along your line would soon see Gary Neville as a united legend- which in a way he is (but not just due to his ability which is merely very good as full backs go)… In fact all these players are ‘legends of sorts’ in my book. But people like to base their ‘legends’ on a number of criteria. People say Ronaldo is not a legend because of this and that, but then I apply the same logic to Cantona, Best or Keane and I realise none of those could be legends either.
Charlton and Giggs are legends but so too is Ronaldo and it is ludicrous to suggest otherwise.
brett1985 – Rubbish pal. Ronaldo isn’t our greatest player ever, not even close, certainly not a legend. Give me Best, Charlton, Eric, Giggsy, Scholes, Keano or Robbo any day of the week. It is not bitterness, only a fool wouldn’t appreciate him as a player but it is the way he has behaved since the summer of 2008 that has left a bitter taste in my mouth. He has behaved like a cunt since then. Why should we lavish praise on him? He treated the fans like mugs only a day before the Champions league final in Rome with his interview to himself saying he would stay.
I see Collymore the cunt has had to move on from our on field activities after been proven wrong and is now gloating about the debt. Fuck off Stan. He said that it shows Fergie can’t spend when in the middle of a defensive crisis we are settling for Carrick instead of going to a “big club for a world class defender”. Excuse me but I thought it was December and the window does not open till January. Does he expect us to just break the rules and splash the cash on a centre half a month before the window opens? Said we should be buying the likes of Ribery or Aguero with the money. Do one you bitter dogging bastard. Hope we fucking hammer his beloved “second club” Villa on Saturday.
keanesmagichat – Yeah I am sure Cleverly will make it at United. Is he playing well? I have sky + it.
@ Macheda is GOD
Thanks for clearning it up. The flu shouldn’t prevent him from playing on Saturday, hopefully. There should be a premier league rule that states every footballer need to be recieve the flu jab in the winter season by the club. Vidic would have been able to play tomorow.
@ brett1985, fair enough. Different fans have different views. But to say unhesitantly say ‘ our best player ever!’ may show your perception is not yet all encompassing (only Fergie’s is)
The hurt of a player this club taught & moulded (from unbelieveable raw potential) not falling in love with it back.
IMO, Unfortunately, His Dream > United Glory
I would clap for him on his return to OT.
I loved his ability to show his ability, in every way.
I could wax lyrical about ^^^^ and we all know how he made us feel
BUT
He WAS a whining-girls-blouse at times & that needs to be said!
Im sure vida’s wife is taking good care of our big man.
brett1985
roy keane did he ever ask to leave nope he spent over a decade at the club and he will always be one of my fav players he feels like one of us. best will always be a legend that ronaldo will never be. ronaldo for 4 years have always left the door open to leave the club. calling me over sensitive are you and idiot or you just love ronaldo, that means most united fans are over sensitive, well after a great season and I think I have every right to be pissed when he totaly ruines our summer and reading so many headlines about him leaving. and he took away the joy of saying to rival fans look what united have won we are the best, you are not a true red if you cannot understand why ronaldo will never be a legend. and why united fans like me and sanj are annoyed at the things he done at united off the pitch which has a lot to be desired. how many united fans can say they enjoyed the 07/08 season in the summer of 2008 when he tainted it.
portuguese princess: “I have said this before and I will say it again, he has been praising United since he left because he and f* Jorge Mendes are very clever and are keeping their options open. I wish he had shown the same amount of respect for our club in his last two years with us.”
I don’t for a minute believe that one “option” that’s still open is a return to Old Trafford. He’s burned that bridge – and, besides, he’s now priced waaaay beyond UTD’s financial reach. No one could imagine that TheVirus would sell him for less than they paid and no one could believe that any other club in the world could get an interest-free loan to purchase him.
I wrote on a number of occasions that I thought that the Madrid option was being used to screw more money out of UTD/Nike. I was wrong – now it seems that the deal was done in the summer of 2008 and that when SAF said that he wouldn’t sell “that mob” a virus he was talking quite specifically about Calderon, who was later replaced by Florentino Perez whose ability to get interest-free loans is a world-historical skill.
In any event, Real Madrid are whoring Ronaldo and doing whatever they can to amortize his purchase with matches in the Gulf States and other oil-rich destinations. Will this work ? maybe. Will his team-mates resent being used to enrich the club and Ronaldo himself ? maybe. Will the players be tired from all that flying during their mid-winter break ? maybe.
But, for me the real question is – are Manchester United FC stronger or weaker without Cristiano Ronaldo ? TheLads are now second in the EPL and scoring more goals than last year while advancing to the knock-out stage in the CL. So, the answer is – it’s too soon to tell.
@ King Eric
spot on, as per usual, mate.
count sulkula probably would’ve reacted that way last year, though he seems to have mellowed a little this season.
CROoney – Alright mate. Please enlighten me as to these “big games” that Tevez won for us? Berba has scored some very important goals for us. Sunderland, Blackburn, Bolton last year and Boro I think it was. There are a few more but off the top cannot remember.
Sanj – Alright pal. Do you think manunitedchampions/ theres only one keano is back? Not the above but another name on here? The posts are very similar.
King Eric
yea I am listening to it, he has some good points about the debt which is shocking and a joke how they were allowed to take over, and what I am hearing we dont have the 80 million that was used to service the debt, and that is supposed to be from a financial expert I think. why didnt that idiot brian barwick what he has been saying why didnt he stop the glazer takeover they should not have been allowed to own united. to be honnest is anyone suprised if bin laden had a billion in his back pocket he would be allowed in. for me they the fa, th premier league the twats taken over united are playing russian roulette with our club. dont forget the glazers have bought the club basically on tick, very little put in they have taken loads out. they could walk away with nearly a billion and leave us in the mess. where is all this hundreds of millions gone from the money we have made in the past 3 years, we made a loss from winning the league and cl double which is shocking.
Rooney the new king:
I feel you have fallen into the trap of my argument for a number of reasons.
Keane threatened to leave for Italy over his contract dispute in 1999 so there are parallels with Ronaldo. He had no particular loyalty to Manchester United per se until we broke our maximum limit on weekly wages to suit him.
If longevity is a winning factor as you suggest in the same sentence then Ronaldo was at the club longer than Cantona.
Best threw his career away at 26, boozing and womanising as the club soon got relegated. See how easy it is to pick up on negative points and make a mountain from a mole hill? Ronaldos professional behavior far exceeds what some of those characters have done yet most united fans consider them legends.
They are all legends to me and barring the need to illustrate how petty people can be in this topic, I would never talk about these players recalling such events.
I feel I have sufficiently preempted this ‘true fan’ garbage in previous posts so as not to repeat it.
@ denton davey
It would be hard to say that United are stronger without Ronaldo. I think any team in the world is better with Ronaldo in it. However, I do feel that we play as a more of a team, a cohesive unit… which can make our squad a “stronger” team overall. That didn’t make much sense, but I hope you get my point.
King Eric
someone said rooney and berbatov are injured is this true
sanj
the team does look better but someone needs to highlight something is rooney and berbatov injured. and is de laat available for the CL tommorow.
@Brett1985
Sorry mate, but Ronaldo is by no measure a United legend, and gave up his chance to ever be. Being a United legend entails having United blood run throw your veins and, not by seeking a move elsewhere once he felt he’s achieved all he could with us.
No one here does not appreciate his talent and ability to light up the pitch with insane ability that comes with being one of the best players in the world.. You points of his positive contribution through goals and threat are valid – and I am eternally grateful for the success he brought during the period he matured into the player he is. But once his head was turned, I knew it was a matter of time he wasn’t going to grace us with his presence on the pitch and I dont fault him for that. I still look to Madrid games now to watch him play and don’t swear at the TV or wish he broke his leg. In fact I take delight that we brought a teenager with raw talent and turned him into a gem.
But to call him a United Legend and professional? Nah…sorry mate, but thats an insult to Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Solskjaer..the list goes on.
rooney the new king – Doubtful apparantly mate. We really do not need this at the minute. Like you said though Vidic and Wes should be fit for Saturday. Hope one of them is as Carew is a fucking handful.
King Eric
christ on a cross did united run over a black cat or smashed a phew mirrors, this is a joke. who else will be injured next. what did you think of collymores united bashing tonight.
Gosh and i thought we had a fragile defense in last season’s home game with Villa. How we could have done with a Evans and Neville at the center. I really hope Vida and Wes make it because they will have to play regulary for the whole of December.
The worst thing about this injury crisis is that we have to sacrifice players like Fletcher and Carrick from their best positions.
rooney the new king – Typical of Stan . Always bashing United. They actually read my text out tonight. Neil from York. The debate was about all clubs including dippers but he just seemed to concentrate on United. Even when fans called him to put him right he wouldn’t let them speak. It does not work like that . The money won’t be sat in a pot ready to spend it will be in the “system”. If we didn’t have owt to spend Fergie would walk. He was ready to splash on Benzema till the deal fucked up last minute. Thought it was funny how they said we should be buying the likes of Ribery to compete. Compete with who? We are the Champions. Even funnier when they said we shouldn’t rely on Carrick, we should go buy a world class centre half. What in December? Carrick is a fucking temporary measure till one of our NINE injured defenders is fit.
forgive me for this but who gives a fuck what Ronaldo does or doesn’t do He fucked off chasing the golden peseta so fuck him bigtime…..
I know he is an ex-United player and a half decent one at that, but we have got to let him stay in the past as that is just what he is….. a memory….
King Eric
I put it on from 730 pm, what is he on about benzama a real madrid fan I said in april 2008 to many friends he wanted to go there. ribery at nearly 27 is to over priced. owen there was nothing to lose at the time I thought this was a bad move I will admit.
we are lelying on collymore stan because we have lost everyone is he an idiot. but I got to admit the debt is a worry, but where has the money on the succes off the past 3 years gone which has got to be questioned.
And Collymore cna suck my stump…. the fucking women beating carpark wanking freak…..
I will say again said it wrong
we are lelying on carrick stan because we have lost everyone is he an idiot.
just saw it I cant believe we have lost rooney and berbatov this crisis is a joke we may not have anyone left at this rate.
The most worrying thing is that apart from O’Shea who was on international duty, most of these players have gotten injured on their own. It wasn’t because of a wild challenge or anything like that. It reminds me of last January when we were losing 2 players every week. I hope the coaching stuff get to the bottom of it.
Oh and Collymore is a cunt who has no business giving his opinion on football matters like he is some kind of expert.
Park’s dog dinner,Are you telling me your Id or what? Im bored…
fckn’ injuries! anyone care to guess what the starting xi will be vs wolfsburg?
my guess:
kuszczak
fletch carrick de laet evra
park gibson ando obertan
welbeck owen
then again with youngsters like gill, eikrem, matty james, cameron stewart, and oliver norwood also making the trip, who knows what fergie will throw out there? it might as well be an fa youth cup match!
wtf will our starting xi be vs aston villa? hopefully christmas will come early and we can get some good news injury wise in the next few days.
@rooninho: De Laet can’t play in Europe. Here’s my starting line up for tomorrow:
Kuszczak
Fletcher,Carrick,Gill,Evra
Park,Gibbo,Ando,Nani
Owen,Obertan
As far as the Villa game is concerned,
Kuszczak
Fletcher,Vida,Brown,Evra
Valencia,CArrick,Scholes,Anderson,Giggs
Rooney
Maybe he could play De Laet against Villa and move Fletch in midfield.
@ King Eric
Yeah, mate. I reckon he is back!
This is an injury crisis, no doubt, but one man’s pain is another man’s opportunity. Time to see if the young lads have what it takes! Remember what a wise man once said, “you can’t win anything with kids…”
sanj so de laat is not available for europe. and does anyone know when ferdiand will be back
someone said on talksport that we are using the kids because we cant buy anyone over the debt what are they on about, gibson has been sensational.
cleverly has done well tonight, had a say in both watfords goals, regarding ronaldo sometimes i wish he was still with us but when i see things like that from him it makes me glad that hes gone and even more happy with our league position / CL positon without him
@king eric
just caught the last bit of talksport here and already wanting to throw up, i still dont know why i keep listening
@ rooney the new king
I believe Rio is out until at least January as well. No sense in rushing him back if he’s not fully fit, especially when no one really knows what the problem is exactly- calf or back, who knows.
Cleverley is one to watch.. he just scored, and had one assist too
another thing when ronaldo hit the penalty benzema was in the box, should have been re hit, also hapened when fwank missed against cite£ there was a load of players in box, what goes around…………
sanj oh rite cheers for the update mate. I heard back injurys may never clear up, I would love to see hargreaves return and have him be put at RB which when he was fit he was our most creative fullback do you know when he will return.
That’s very odd. No, it wouldn’t have happened here.
If any of our players put in a rebound, and the initial taker selfishly stood in disbelief at having had the glory taken away from him, one of our senior players, probably Neville, would have a word.
Unsurprisingly, it looks very much like a disjointed Madrid. What Pellegrini would give for the cohesion that clubs like Barca and United seem to effortlessly breed.
united need rooney and berbatov back because that has potential to be maybe the most devestating patnership in the prem. berbatov has been more hot than cold but he is a key player for the team.
but the injurys are really starting to worry me, when I see that gill will have to be filled in at the back it is getting to breaking point. not even chelsea had this amunt of injurys.
lets hope we get a bit of luck and if united get through this title no 19 may yet be in reach. is it me or is this out of the relms of reality uniited are still there despie all the problems.
another assist and goal from tom cleverley tonight
@costas
cheers! didn’t know about de laet not being eligible for cl. also, i read the that rooney and berba were doubtful for villa, but rooney seems the type to play through the pain. would rather they rest him if he is doubtful, but at this point we need anybody to wear the united shirt.
can’t believe david gill’s son might start against wolfsburg. what is this world coming to?
@king eric
why torture yourself with talksport and collymore? stan is an idiot and that’s a fact.
@rooninho: I know. This is beyond getting stretched to the bare bones mate. We have witnessed quite a few defensive injury crisis at United. It was never this bad. Even in 06-07 when we were left with Brown and Heinze as our defensive pair. It doesn’t look that bad compared to Carrick and Gill does it? The good thing is that tomorrow’s game isn’t that crucial. The best we can hope for is to get Vida and Wes fit for Saturday and keep them fit for the whole month. Until the others start coming back.
and Costas you are totaly right, I have never seen an injury list this big, it is bigger than 2 of my arms combined. united need vidic and brown for villa because carew and heskey will give united nightmares look what happened last year.
when I heard rumors fergie going to sell vidic in the summer, and have ferdinand and evans has his first choice I hope that is not true because god knows when rio will be fit and playing.
rooninho and Ulster Red – I haven’t a clue why I listen to it. I have been listening everyday at some point for the last 3 years. It is almost like I just listen to it just to get myself wound up and annoyed. I have even wasted money phoning the cunts up which is exactly why they say this shit. Just wind United fans in particular up and it works as they get loads of calls. Wankers every single one of them. Collymore, Durham, Houghton, Quinn, etc etc. I can take Brazil.
Costas – We can’t for tomorrow but I think we can recall Cathcart for Villa , which I hope is not needed. He will have been getting playing time and stepped up before when needed. Carrick’s job will be a hell of a lot more difficult than Saturday. Like you say at least it isn’t a crucial game, in terms of NEEDING to qualify.
Cleverly looks the part at Watford. United will get him back in the summer I reckon. Tidy finish tonight. Created Watfords second goal well.
Never usually pessimistic…………………………..BUT anyone else fear we may get hammered? Wolfsburg need the win.
@rooninho and King Eric:
Lets just get Wolfsburg out of the way(how we could have done with a draw against Besiktas…) and i hope Cathcart is an option for the League games. I will take anyone at this point, because i prefer Carrick and Fletch in their natural positions.
Speaking of Villa, this game brings back some chilling memories from last season doesn’t it?
oh King Eric carthcart I think I would much rather rely on than david gills son no offence there who is a phew years away from being a first team reguler. can anyone tell me what position cleverly plays is he a wide player CM player a striker. a west ham fan said cleverly will be a special player like giggs scholes.
@what is also funny because we are not spending money people like that pratt collymore says these young players at united are shit, and we only using them because we are skint what utter bollocks.
LOL and durham has lost it ever since he said fergie is a joke in 2005 and beckham is the bees kness who is better than ronaldo in 2005, I also listened what he said durham that if steven gerrard dived if it ment us winning the world cup he is all for that I cannot believe he said that and gerrard did not give saterday, he has totaly lost all credibility
king eric 3 years? surely you dont need reminding everyday that they talkshite!!! i think it will be either a thrashing or a amazing performance from whoever plays and we get whats needed to top the group
Costas – Some fantastic memories though as well. Like me you were there I seem to recall? What a climax. Machedaaaa!!
so collymore it is better we buy benzama ribery villa silva some over priced defenders and more selfish mercanerys, when here is the list of young players who are creating depth in our squad.
rafio
fabio
de laat
evans
carthcart
gibson
c evans
cleverly
welbeck
macheda
can someone tell me anymore players I have left out who may become first team players.
Ulster Red – Yeah you could be right. It would be typical of United to put in a performance when you don’t expect it.
rooney is the new king – plays wide but played central midfield tonight. Cracking little player.
@King Eric: Well, i wish i was inside the stadium on that day. But i was just in this forum going crazy like everyone else…Poor Suhayl. I think that game took a toll on him.
As far as tomorrow is concerned, i wouldn’t bet on a hammering just yet. I mentioned this earlier today, but if Fergie plays a tight 4-5-1 like he did at the Bridge and at Upton, it will be quite difficult for them to create chances. I am intrigued to see how he will approach this game. He might opt to play freely and look to outscore the Germans.
it sure would, but im not banking on it tbh, we really shouldnt have needed anything going into this game, cska and besiktas games were disapointing, but main concern at the minute is for saturday against villa
cheers king eric so when tom comes back he gives us options in 3 positions now thats how you create a squad with depth not buying.
and King Eric did you listen to durham in dec 2005 when united were knocked out of groupstages and how he was laughing at united while pissing on united at the same time, and pissing on fergies legacy. I want you to phone him back and tell him all that and show how ironic he is, he went on and on in march april 2005 how it was a mistake selling beckham, well only mistake we should have got is 40 milion out of madrid for beckham
@costas/king eric/every united supporter still awake!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1pgPFmXjC8
one of the best celebrations i’ve ever seen. pure euphoria. i think kiko goes and hugs his dad or something. amazing.
rooney is the new king
big time, 25 mill was a absolute bargain for the virus considering the profit they made out of him
yeah that game and the spurs game last year were unreal, funny thing about the spurs game was i watched it in a bar in liverpool as i was on a stag do, near matthew street and there were cheers from not only myself but quite a few people in the bar, couldnt believe it
@ Ulster Red actually 60 million we should have got for him but I must be mad to think that price.
I still cant believe adrium durham said steven gerrard not only did he not dive on saterday. but he hopes gerrard dives in the world cup if it ment england winning the world cup.
@rooninho: Still brings chills! I think that was the game that the “Fletcher is immense” phrase was born from King Eric.
The Tottenham game was thrilling too. I completely lost it when Ronaldo made it 3-2. However, i think that my wildest celebration this year has been for Michael Owen’s goal against Shity. Nearly broke the couch!
whichever side of the fence you sit on regarding ronaldo, know this, he will miss utd more than utd will miss him
I find it really disgusting that everybody trying to bury Ronaldo.let him in peace.
Scott, he has done something similar in Moscow.
When, Edwin saved Anelka’s penalty, complete squad ran towards him but Ronaldo who chose to celebrate by himself by laying on the ground. Considering that he had missed a penalty, just a few minutes earlier he should have been the first to congratulate and thank VdS for saving his blushes. With benefit of hindsight, we now know he had other things on his mind.
With all the injuries i hear people saying that maybe a loan defender coming in because fergie is known to have a few good loan signings up his sleeve e.g. Henrik Larsson. Remember William Prunier anybody?
had to put this up,
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/709731/ce/uk/?cc=4716&ver=global
One for nonchalent!
King Eric
good morning mate.
why are you getting annoyed after 3 years where he have won so much silverware. I live in India and cant listen to all these things, but i kind of enjoy reading or hearing people writing United off.On ESPN here we have YSB steve mcmahon who always tries to belittle United and SAF.You wont see more ignorant newswriters and newsreaders than what we have here.
Everytime we win,the headline is
“MANU BEAT SO AND SO TEAM” like it was ” MANU THRASH WEST HAM” on Sunday.when we beat Inter and vida scored the opening goal,one newsreader said ManU striker Nemanja Vidic scored the opening goal.
I have got used to it now.how many ignorant people can you correct?
As for people writing us off ill give you example of what YSB steve mcmahon and others on ESPN panel in Asia said over the last 3 years
2006-07: Chelsea and Mourinho are unstoppable at the moment.You cant bet against them for the league. United will struggle especially after the Ronaldo Rooney incident at the world cup.They should have got rid of Ronaldo for the betterment of the team.They have spent 18 million on an AVERAGE MIDFIELDER and not bought anyone else.
2007-08:Chelsea will bounce back and win the league. They had some injury problems last season during christmas with key players out.It will be difficult for United to stop Chelsea from winning the league this season.
2008-09:Chelsea win the league, Scolari is a great manager and is the ideal man for chelsea to deliver the premier league and Champions League.United are missing Ronaldo for the first few months and will struggle as they OVERACHIEVED LAST SEASON.
2009-10: Ancelotti will lead Chelsea to the title.United have lost key players in Ronaldo and Tevez and will finish 3rd behind Chelsea and Liverpool .Liverpool are the only side that can stop Chelsea.
The fact is reading such negative things and still winning makes me feel more happy. WE have made it a habit to prove people long. Look at the other side of it rather than getting annoyed and enjoy when the season ends and as always we win the league again.Makes success taste even sweeter
@Aig
I Know what you mean… Aig mate, do u kno if Zee Sports will show the game? Tensports will show Inter’s game…
TK
Park Carrick Fletcher Evra
Gibson Scholes Anderson
Valencia Owen Nani
Ronnie will find out soon enough that players at Real Madrid won’t put up with this crap like our United boys did
@onemanunited.wordpress.com
Today
Ten Sports
marseille vs real madrid
zee sports
juventus vs bayern
tomorrow
ten sports
ten sports inter vs rubin kazan
zee sports
dynamo kiev vs Barca
United match is delayed on ten sports
@onemanunited.wordpress.com
our match is today(wed morning), inter play tom(thursday morning).
we will have to search for a streaming link.there are a few i usually visit.sure someone will post a good link during the game or Scott may do the Live Blog
aig – Hi mate. As I said last night I cannot help getting annoyed by the ignorance of some people. They don’t actually believe what they say, surely not. It is simply to get fans like me wound up and calling in or texting. As rooney is the new keane (michael) said last night in 2005 Durham said Fergie and United are finished as we shouldn’t have sold Becks. WRONG.
Some of those articles you have posted from the last 3 seasons you couldn’t make up. Overachieved? WRONG. Rooney and Ronaldo’s falling out? WRONG. Chelsea having injuries and will come back strong? NO WRONG AGAIN. Surely after getting it wrong for the last 3 seasons you would think they would learn. It just fucks me off mate that whenever I switch on Fivelive or Talkshite they are always United bashing. They can never give credit where its due, NEVER. It shouldn’t be allowed this kind of bias in broadcasting, simple as. Then if you say they are abu’s they make out that United fans talk rubbish and are “paranoid”. Cunts the lot of them.
Like this morning in the papers you could be mistaking for thinking that Fergie has just called Gill in as he is the Chief Execs son and not because he has actually done well in the reserves this season. They are making out like he isn’t even a footballer. Best one was last night when Collybore said that we are relying on carrick when we should be getting in a big name defender. What in the middle of December? Fucking idiots.
@ Costas
Carling Cup is not a problem. We should play youth team in the semis.
wow already nearly 300 comments..
it shows that majority of our fans have not yet get over with this guy..
while i dont care about him one bit. as soon as he quits, and if what he does/says not related to this club, it does not bother me one bit. for all i care is about Manchester United.
it’s just like Henry – Arsenal.. i mean, it makes us look pathetic.. sorry to say that.. To me, he just doesnt deserve this..
I watched the whole game due to bettin’ dutys! I was shocked by Ronaldos performance! He had this moments of disaproofing hand signs against team mates even in his time at United. But in Madrid it has taken the better of him.
Before he set up the 1:0 he repeatedly and pushily signed to his team mates where they had to run, asthough they would be complete airheads!
On several occasions he jumped up in frustration and flourished wildely because a team mate has taken a diffrent pass option or has deceided to shoot on goal!
His behaviour after the penalty was just sickening! And what the fuck was that kick for? He just scored, had a good dribbling there didn’t loose the ball!! Was it for the slight pull on the shirt or the gentle hug? Should have been a straight red card!
The ugly thruth is that he would have done all these things at United too. But Fergie, Nev and so one would have had a word with him! At United he was under control more or less. In Madrid, nowbody seems to have the courage to question him and he’s overprotected by the Refs. He’s a falling star!
@cantona7
read all the comments carefully,more than half the comments are not ronaldo related but berba tevez comparisions and about tomorrows match
@ King Eric,
g’day mate, absolutely loved your rant just now and I empathise with you completely – but you must always remember our history makes us strong, your hate makes us stronger!
@King Eric
chill mate.just jealous thats all and no surprise considering most of them are ex dippers so they can support or praise anyone to belittle United. How many Ex United Players do you see talking such trash or even being a member of bbc or sky or any of the trash british tabloids.
Cant watch the match on television.Anyone got a good Link apart from Justin Tv.
@ cantona7
About 250 of these comments are unrelated to this topic, talking about the injuries, bebra/tevez debate and other stuff. Only a minority seem to have not gotten over him.
@aig yeah i know..just got irritated with some of the comments.. maybe it’s just a tactic by Scott to get more response haha.. well done Scott
i am also more concerned about Wolfsburg match. while some of the fans here said they are not going to watch the match tomorrow because of the missing big names, i am looking forward to watching our youngsters playing tomorrow. Are we gonna get slaughtered? or are the kids gonna go berserk and slaughter Wolfsburg? Plus, if Edin Dzeko can at least get two goals tomorrow, than i dont think he is worth recruiting.
sorry i mean if he CAN’T get two goals – missed a “t”
@cantona7
i dont think any of the young lads will play apart from gibson who is starting to be a regular now.maybe Welbeck will play
THink this will be the team
kusczak
park fletcher carrick Evra
Valencia anderson scholes Gibson nani/obertan
Owen
even if SAF plays himself i will still watch the match. Dont know why people dont wanna watch
@ aig alex is god
myp2p.eu
A station is available and will appear here from 15:45 on the day of the event.
@Corea
i try most of those links mate but some of them are not very clear and cant watch the game continuously without interruptions.but i hope 1 of those link works.they are showing Mrseille vs Madrid and Juventus vrs Bayern(Understandable) Live here.
Some fans are saying they won’t watch the match because unknown faces will be playing? Why not. It’s a great chance for us to see how potentially good these young players are, even if they fail to get us points. United isn’t just about the first teamers, it’s about the reserves and the academy players too. They are the future of the club, for crying out loud. This is a rare opportunity for them to show off what they’ve got to us fans. Unlikely they’ll all be playing but I have a feeling Oliver Gill and Gibson will probably start. This is the first time that I hope for Fergie to play a 4-5-1, will help the defence. I am sure he will.
@aig Even Rooney and Berba is injured now, and doubtful for Villa match. I would reserve Fletcher for that match. Mind you, with BOTH rooney and Berba doubtful now, we only have Owen as an experienced striker.
With Villa game in mind (Kusczak-Fletch-Brown-Vidic-Evra-Valencia-Giggs-Anderson-Rooney/Berba-Owen), against Wolfsburg i would go with as many youngsters possible haha…
So for Wolfsburg, this is my line (Foster-whoeverpossible-Carrick-O.Gill/Corry-Evra-Park-Scholes-Gibson-Obertan-Anderson-Welbeck) – a 4-4-1-1 formation..
@cantona7
cory evans has not travelled with the squad.i dont mind us finishing 2nd as i said yesterday so even if SAF plays himself it dosent bother me. I will watch the match.Bayern/juventus, AC Milan,inter/barca all can finish 2nd so it wont be easy even if we top the group.Only advantage is to have the 2nd leg at OT which i feel is important
Sky sports news have gibson and carrick playing at ch, it’ll be interesting to see the team 2nite. Does any1 else think cleverley cud be a better prospect than wilshire.
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/388387033?-11193
Not good news lads.
willierednut
that would be intresting.giibo and carrick.
as for cleverley he is a really good prospect and may break soon in the first team when he returns.Wilshere is 18 and cleverley is 20. plus Cleverley hasnt played too many first team games for us.hope he continues his impressive form for Watford at United.
Why havent United offered him a new deal when mhis contract is due to expire in 2010 and he is doing so well?
I think the club will offer him a new deal aig, they wud be crazy not 2 with the form he’s been showing at watford.
@Darren Gibson is a really good player. If he scores again tonight, he will not be going back to the reserves
@ Willierednut, Wouldn’t worry too much about that non-story
Whether we are on the verge of crisis or not, linking a 10 million (unuseable player) and a billionaire selling ONE of his many mansions is absolutely diabolical to coin YSB Hansen…
Good luck to the squad tonight! Gonna be bloody interesting to say the least!! and SHAME on those that only want to see the ‘big names’! More than likely the same people that are still pining for Ronnie & praying we sign players that don’t even want to live in England!! NUMPTIES!!
King Eric- tevez has scored some crucial goals against Lyon,Liverpool,Porto,Chelsea,Blackburn, Spurs during his time at United…most notably when it mattered against some top teams like Chelsea,Liverpool,Porto and Lyon…
that’s why I’ll always rate him against flashy berbatov who’s flash comes once in 4-5 matches…
Thanks Aig, I know the games today, but I just saw the add in Tensports abt the Inter game…so I was wondering. The games going to be broadcasted in supersport 3, I already called my cable 5 times to make sure I get that channel
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and sorry my name was changed to onemanunited.wordpress.com … it was a mistake, wont happen
Muggaz – Cheers fella.
willierednut – Alright pal. Yeah I think Cleverley could be a star for United. Even now he looks too good for Watford. Cracking little player.
CRooney .. what you an many others miss about “flashy Berba” as you put it is ….it isn’t his flash that makes him such a great player and perfect for United. It’s his instant control, calmness in possesion and abilty to wait to make the right (often simple) pass.
He’s the very opposite of Tevez who gets everyone excited by putting his head down and running amilessly and only rarely makes the right decisions.
I personally love Ronaldo, I would have him back at United any day!
Some fans are saying they won’t watch the game because there are no “big names”? Well fuck off then plastic cunt’s we don’t need “fans” like you. Jokers.
Dave Mack – Bang on pal.
Fergie and Gill must love these rumours that suggest United have financial problems! I wouldn’t put it past SAF to have thought as much about the message not closing that deal would send to the transfer market as much as the fact that he had gone off / didn’t need the lad. The worst buyer in any deal is the one who thinks he has a pot of money burning a hole in his pocket.
On Gibson, not yet near the standard we need in MF .. despite a great shot. I for one doubt that he’s ever going to get there but then I think of Fletch!
Dave Mack – no mate, it’s not that
it’s that i’m sick and tired of constantly hearing about his calmness and yet he ‘s been showing his “alleged” class in glimpses…too inconsistant for my liking….who needs calmness when you can’t get to attack the way you used to…he’s too calm…
i mean why the hell was he brought here ? certainly not to be calm against the teams like sunderland etc…no ! he was brought to provide us with that “extra dimension” in europe and against the top sides in EPL…and yet he gets benched when we play arsenal, barcelona and teams like that…if you can’t use him in big games, why bringing him …we don’t need him to win us games like botlon,newcastle,sunderland…ffs we already had and still have players who can do that…we brought him to be our most influnetal player in the big games…evra,rooney,o’shea,vidic,valencia,carrick – everyone can win you a bolton-a-like match, but only special type of player with winnign mentality can win you liverpool,chelsea,arsenal match – yes, players like rooney, players like tevez – you can like or hate his style,his first touch, his big mouth but you can’t deny his abilty to win you a big one..
berbatov ? he’s an average player with above average tehnique..when i say tehnique, i mean ball controll, calmness and everything that goes with playing with ball in his feet…i can’t believe some United players think of him as a success..sure he’s improved but he still is so frustrating and inconsistent, and certainly not value for money
besides Dave Mack – tell me what recent good decision you saw from berba ? he’s always playing it to the nearest guy…before you say that he played the recent ball to velncia who later on provided an assist for rooney ,I’ll say that tevez also played an exquisit ball to SWP against Liverpool , who ultimately assisted to ireland for that 2-1 goal…
just look at tevez performances against the top 4 will ya – he assisted against us,he sort of overturned the game against liverpool ( by hughes recognition), and he ran the show against chelsea…what has berbatov done
While i agree berba hasn’t always done it in the big games, i wudn’t say berba’s an average player, but i wud say having watched tevez for 2 years he is without doubt an average player. ps 40 plus goals for his country is’nt a bad record after all
willirednut – so you’re telling me honestly that after his first season at the club you didn’t want us to make the deal permanent…
and berbatov is no different than forlan,santa cruz, mccarthy etc…let me put it this way – they’re about the same category (him and tevez ) , and the only difference is that one can actually win you some important matches and the other one can’t…4o goals for bulgaria isn’t bad indeed but considering he’s always been known as a big fish in a small pond and that every ball searchs for him when playing for the national team it’s not anything unusual…doubt that he would even get a sniff in the argie side when comparing the two teams and competitions they both face for their national teams..
and it’s not that he hasn’t always done it in the big matches, it’s like he has almost never done iot in the big matches for us ..scre vision,screw composure, win me some games
Middelsboro, newcastle and bolton thats 9 points berba gained us to help us to win the league, its not always how you perform agianst the big clubs. Tevez was brillant in his first season no 1 can deny that, scored important goals but most united fans have moved on now maybe you shud to.
@ CROoney
If you’re so into Tevez, why don’t you go support Citeh? Berba is a United player, Tevez is a bluenose. Sir Alex did not want to spend 50 million for an average squad player like Tevez. Get over it.
sanj – again mate – what 50 million?
btw – i’ve moved on , but i’m just sort of sad that it all turned out the way it did…
@ CROoney
I don’t know how many times I have to tell you to educate yourself about the topic you won’t stop talking about. If you’re going to big up Tevez so much and complain about Berbatov’s price, I don’t see how you could be totally unaware of how much Citeh paid for Tevez.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_city/article6831582.ece
If united had really wanted tevez they wud have signed him after his first season, wether it was 25 or 47 as some ppl have suggested, no 1 really knows.
sanj, i know that it has been mentioned but no one really knows how much the true deal is worth..that’s including his wages and everything….but of course we were never gonna play that money for him…
no one apart city would
CROoney . .. you sorta asked and answered your own question!
Yea that was an “un flash” moment from a player who had of 20 mins on Sat. If you want know a game when Berba “quietly” won it for us go take a look at the second half of Spurs at OT last season when we came back from 2-0 down. While Rooney and Ronaldo understanably stole the lime light, Berba literally won the game for us by not putting a single pass astray and had a hand in every goal in the same way as he did for Rooney’s on Saturday.
Just start looking for the “un flash” side of Berba in the next few games (the stuff most people miss) and you’ll soon be won over.
Dave Mack
OMG mate, i can’t believe you actually mentioned that game…it took us Tevez to get introduced to overturn the entire match…Where was Berba in the first half – nowhere as he lacked someone to drag him forward and that was when Tevez came mate… find my post in which i said how Tevez doesn’t get into highlights of those goals but newsflash for all of you – he had his fingers in all 5 goals we scored, whether it means robbing defenders of possesion or starting the attack from which we scored
he started the attack for rooney’s equalizer, and he assisted him for that goal, and he had his fingers in every other too
CROoney …. Just goes to prove we all see what we want to see! Have fun at the Wastelands. I’ll be at OT watching Berba.
Dave Mack – not for long though :p
just joking…when i come to think of it – it was really a classy performance from those 4 i say..pitty we’ll never see it again
I’ve seen Ron do something remotely similar once at Old Trafford, and that was in the Champions 3-2 victory over Milan in 2006/07. We all remember Rooney’s winner…the amazing turn and shot…yet as the ball went in and Rooney headed for the corner flag where he slid and landed face down (again, we all remember the elation), Ronaldo – who was in the middle; expecting Rooney to square it to him – simply turned away, dissapointed rather than extatic like the rest of his teammates.
Although nowhere near as blaitant as this penalty miss, it was still pretty shocking for him to behave like this after such a crucial and incredible goal. The point is, he’s sellfish. If HE doesn’t score, he’s not happy, regardless of the final outcome or the result for the team.
You have to be a little bit selfish (or put another way – have tons of personal confidence!!) to score 42 goals in a season.
I won’t say a bad word about Ronaldo after what he did for us, the pleasure I had watching him doing it and the way he left with class. (not forgetting the 60m+ profit!)
He’ll be back st OT wearing a RM shirt and I for one will welcome him with …..Viva Ronaldo!
can someone please tell me why are people saying tevez is a better player and why are some talking about the TWAT again, berbatov is a far better player goals record there is not much in it. you take that away berbatov is the better player with more to offer. and thats the end of the TWAT tevez debate for me, WOW this thread has been like someone taken wrong directions and it has been ver random LOL.
I thought tevez has been more effective and even better but I am a total idiot, I would take berbatov in a heartbeat over tevez sorry ppl for being such an idiot and yet again thats the end of that debate for me.