The victory doesn’t really mean anything at this stage (in terms of the league) but it’s a good platform on which to build.

FFS get a grip! my intelligence is too insulted to even explain how daft that statement was.

I take it those are the league stats, all they show is that in the same playing time their stats are similar. For instance in the next four league games Valencia could score two and create another two which would mean that he is “statistically more effective” and then in the next game Kuyt could get an assist to make them the same and then in the next game after that Kuyt could get fouled more and this would apparently swing the title of “most effective” back in his favour.

It’s just using whatever set of stats suit his argument at whatever exact moment in time to make an inane worthless point that can be ripped apart due to its inconsistencies and unfairness. For it to be a fair analysis, and to be fair to JK he did say any of United’s right sided players so he didn’t single Valencia out, you would have to combine all of the stats for each person who has started on the right for United. Seeing as Valencia is pretty equal on his own then I’m sure that would at least balance it out.

I’d just like to add for the record that unless you can prove some substantial difference with stats and crucially you can place them in the context they are in then they are pretty meaningless.

On paper N’Gog’s injury time goal in the 4-0 win over Stoke means the same as Macheda’s injury time goal against Villa last season. I’ll leave you to draw your own conclusions from that!

Either way, Giggsy has been by far the most creative midfielder on either side. Hell he could have only played the City game and the 4000 chances he created probably will edge it.

I remember Arsenal being beaten by Fulham and Hull City few weeks before Stoke did beat them a week before the Manchester United game. They had Robin van Persie suspended, Emmanuel Adebayor injured, Kolo Toure recovering from injury and being out of game fitness, Gallas being out of form like Carragher now. In midfield like Lucas now, they had rookie Denilson (who was in the Arsenal reserves the season before).

In that match, every body expected a Manchester United win, but, all though Manchester was superior in the game Arsenal unexpectedly won.

Thats normal in football.

I think he is a biased as myslef in that way that he thinks his players are better than ours. I have to say, Torres is the one player in the league, apart from maybe Essien that I’d love to see at United. Not now, but before he came from Spain.

Last seasons result was a disaster, we played our big three forwards at Liverpool and then what happened at OT was unexplainable. We cannot let that happen again this year and I don’t think it will.

I think a sensible result prediction would be a 1-1 draw, Liverpool are playing so badly at the moment and they are due a break and United haven’t been top class, falling over the line on occaisions it could go either way.

Though, I am not sensible, so I will say 2-1 to us, with Owen scoring the winner, adding to Gary Neville’s 80th minute equaliser

agree there.i think he is definitely being a bit overconfident.while i dont rule out a liverpool win which is very much possible its not guranteed either coz we are more than capable of beating them though i feel it will be a tight game.