From the stands, it never looked like a pen. It looked like the keeper tips the ball clear and Michael Carrick fell over his body. That’s never a pen. I text my mate to double check and he said it was a nailed on pen. I assumed it was the red tinted specs talking.
I got in, got showered, went to the pub. All the reds at the pub said it was a nailed on pen. They were all pissed and I again assumed it was red tinted specs.
I got home, watched the video, and was quite amazed. Whilst it’s clear that Gomes touches the ball, it’s also clear that he touches Carrick first. Whilst there are referees that would and wouldn’t give it, even with video replay, there’s no way you can say it’s definitely not a penalty.
Carrick is trying to take the ball around the keeper so kicks it to his left, at which point Gomes arms and body make contact with Carrick’s feet and shins. The direction of the ball changes and that’s as much to do with the way Carrick kicks it as much as it is Gomes making contact.
It’s one of those decisions you’d probably take issue with if it went against you, because you always do when there’s a debateable penalty going against you. It wasn’t stonewall but I would never say it was the “wrong” decision.
Sky Sports: Spurs are incensed and surround the referee Webb, but the replay suggests it was a straightforward decision. Carrick was played into the area and got a touch just before Gomes slid in to take him out.
The Times: Invigorated by the tonic of Tevez, in 23 heady second-half minutes United forced five goals past Heurelho Gomes. The first was a penalty that, even after watching 20-odd replays, you were unsure should have been given.
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It will go down as a controversial decision as much as the England goal in 66.It might never get resolved.For me,if Carrick catches the ball first taking it away from Gomes forcing him to stretch and bring him down.That for me is a penalty.All that matters for me is who catches the ball first.The real question is “Was it a red card”.I am glad it happened.The hysteria among all of these ABU analysts and pundits is a joy to watch.
I thought that it was a clear cut penalty! Carrick got to the ball first and he touched the ball to the left. Then, Gomez brought him down. After that, Gomez had perhaps the faintest of touches of the ball. But, the foul was committed at the moment Gomez brought Carrick down! Anything after that was irrelevant!
One thing i was unsure of was whether the referee saw the whole incident clearly from his position. I believe he was behind Carrick.
Anyway, speaking from a person who wears a red tinted specs
Come on Devils!
berbatov = class. anyone who cannot understand that after his performance today… well, i don’t know what to tell you.
Why don’t we ask Craig Burley? The Scottish cunt thinks that the ref was in our pocket for the entire game.
was in the stretford end at the time so had no clue at all at the time.just watched the game again on setanta and i don’t think was a pen, though its not as clear but as that cunt burley made it out to be,those decisions go both ways all the time.he was fuckin devo’d that we came back,he spent 25 mins bleatin on about it.berba was class,but how shit was nani again?
When I saw it live on tv, I thought it was a pen. When I saw the replay, I wasn’t so sure. I’m sure that if I was a Spurs fan, I’d be fuming. Webb would be hearing it from other fans if there was a no call. Like the Welbeck one last week, I thought it was a pen on live tv and wasn’t so sure after replays. That’s why we love football, innit?
i agree sanj
berbatov was class
his touch and ability to find the pass is brilliant
great performance when some fans actually were booing him??
i wouldnt call them man utd fans but hey
i knew berbatov would show his class and he did!!
tevez berbatov rooney ronaldo clearly worked in that 2nd half
and we should use it more often!!
I had an excellent view of it, about 18 rows up in the North Stand on the edge of the D and not a single person around me thought it was a penalty. These decisions even themselves out over the season (unless you’re Liverpool)
Well said Sanj! I thought Berba was awsome today. Wonder if we’ll hear from all those that craped on him on this site last week? (Doubt it!)
Mate, you’re all United fans here. If you ask a neutral, then it has to go down as a horrible decision. Gomes got the ball, for sure. Looks like he got it BEFORE his body collided with Carrick.
At the worst, Gomes got the ball and Carrick at the same time. Thats not a pen. It still looks like he gets the ball first.
The decision isn’t what pisses me off. Its the fact that Webb was standing right behind them(though some distance) with a clear view. Nobody was blocking the situation.
Why is Webb never dropped? Imo, he is the worst English ref, not the best. Every single effin time there is controversy with him. Disallowed Bendtner’s goal against the dippers as well.
Fucked over my country(Poland).
Its like he’s sent down to punish me!!The cunt
The second frame above clearly shows Gomes getting a hand on the ball before making contact with Carrick. No penalty.
This controversity again points up the need to have TV replays on controversial decisions. If two per each manager were allowed each game fans would go home (reasonably) satisfied they’d not been robbed. Tottebham fans were robbed today.
Most visiting teams at Old Trafford frankly feel they’ve been victinmised by refs afraid to make calls against United in face of the big crowd and the redfaced manager. When was the last time a penalty was given against United at Old Trafford?
When Liverpool came to the place Indyfan.1 month ago.
What matters is that Carrick makes the first touch that takes it away from Gomes.That forces him to strech and catch Carrick.It’s not clear if he catches the ball as well.Webb influenced the game and the title race in a bigger way last week when he gave Liverpool 6 minutes of added time.
I am getting a bit annoyed that since the introduction of the “respect” campaign even more people are not only mouthing off in public about decisions they consider wrong, but also complaining about SAF “influencing” refs, i.e. refs “being influenced” when this season he has actually been largely silent about a number of clearly bad decisions to our detriment. If SAF had said what Moyes said, he would have been hammered by the FA. I am eagerly waiting for the contention from ‘wor Harry that SAF influenced the decision by projecting evil thoughts or promising extra wine after the game. Clearly without the penalty we would never have scored (sic)
Interesting that the BBC changed their initial report of “the referee adjudged it to be a foul” to one of “a controversial penalty”. Also interesting that MOTD did not highlight the angle that you have above which makes it clear that it could well have been a correct decision or at least an acceptable one from where Webb was. Clearly it was Carrick who tapped the ball to the side before Gomez clattered into him and just possibly got his fingertips to the ball, which was moving sideways because Carrick kicked it not because Gomez saved it. It seems to have been a tossup whether Gomez subsequently touched the ball or Carrick first, certainly it was not Gomez that first sent it sideways as Webb obviously concluded but “they” would have you disbelieve.
Linneker – appalling decision – no it was not, it was borderline at worst. Lee Dixon – Tottenham in complete control in the first half – wrong too, look at the stats Lee.
A penalty is when the ref says it is one, ask Danny Wellbeck. Anyone that watched the match and decides that Webb favoured us must be blind, insane or a Liverpool supporter. Palacios should have been red carded even though Ronaldo just managed to jump out of the way and avoid 2 broken legs. Dangerous play does not require damage or even contact; there was a clear handball by Bent etc ….
It seems that Webb has since been pressured by the London Mafia and the Merseyside mob to admit that he “got it wrong”. Influencing refs? who exactly?
Next up CL and the Arse; see the Fabregas – go get him Darren
Oh come on! It wasn’t a penalty. I can understand how you might have thought it could be first time seeing the incident at full-speed…but after replays, it is plain as day. Gomes gets the ball, there is no doubt about that (it changes direction back towards our end…and not just sideways, as Carrick had directed it just before). Also, it is pretty clear that Gomes got the ball at least at the same time as he did Carrick.
If this had gone the other way, we would be fuming. And similarly, last week, when we didn’t get the call in the FA Cup, when Wellbeck was brought down, we were fuming. These things even themselves up, as i said then. We felt hard done by then, and Spurs can rightfully feel hard done by today.
This, however, shouldn’t distract from our heroic performance afterwards…particularly from Rooney. The manager got it spot-on by moving him to the left and introducing Tevez and Scholes. Berbatov got brought into the game more, and the interplay between all four forwards was breathtaking.
I agree with costas Said, it was def. a pen. From one angle like the pictures above, it looked like gomes had the last touch, but from other replays carrick’s touch carried it away from gomes. its amazing how biased journalists can be, and especially so against united. this is match commentary from espnsoccernet:
“Gomes got a clear touch on the ball, and it CLEARLY changes direction. Somehow, Howard Webb thought it was a penalty, Ronaldo converts and Spurs are fuming. No wonder. Its the worst decision I’ve seen this season, apart from maybe the Rob Styles decision. Where was that one? Oh, yeah, Old Trafford as well. Pathetic.” and ” Don’t get me wrong, its not United fault per se. Yes, they may go looking for a penalty but who doesn’t. The fact is the referee’s are blinded by Manchester United love and keep pointing to the spot. Terrible.”
i thought journalists and pundits were suppose to keep somewhat of a neutrality when commentating….
Especially when our title challengers had a more controversial but decisice referee decision go their way earlier today.
setenta pundits and commentators are a disgrace
u cannot notice how much they hate united
what biased commentating
absolutely disgraceful
but nice to see macca’s smile at half time wiped off
haha the cunt
wednesday!! i hope we plays the 2nd half team
including anderson for fletcher
Costas, as an Arsenal fan, I cannot even use that excuse. Webb gave Liverpool 6 minutes, but they scored in the 2nd minute. What difference does it make?
lol if they scored a winner i bet u wudnt be saying that now would you?, hmm i dont fink so.. our next two opponents playing tomorrow..
not bad to watch.. good luck btw
our 2nd half attack against your defence? hmm here we come rome!
Of course it makes a difference.It’s not the same organizing an attack when you know that you have 3 minutes left as opposed to it being your last attack of the game.You are more desperate in the latter instance.The same happened when Kiko scored against Villa.He scored in the 93rd minute but many critics felt that the 5 minutes extra time gave us a lifeline and we were more patient with our build up in that time.
If a player with the ball dribbled a defender and the ball scraped off the leg of the defender, who then body checked the dribbler, the dribbler would have been fouled.
Did Gomes’ touch of the ball mean that he didn’t bring down Carrick, who had the ball and was clear on goal? No. Carrick took the ball away from Gomes, Gomes touched it but also took down Carrick who had a clear opportunity
i agree!!
so the other 4 goals were because of a “dubious” penalty decision?
just hate on us
hate on united
we love it
and we will win more trophies because of it
UNITED FOR LIFE!!
thats why were champions!!!!!
Yeah, its frustrating that everyone will talk on and on about this decision, but Mascherano diving to win their free kick right before half time won’t get a mention…
“This controversity again points up the need to have TV replays on controversial decisions. If two per each manager were allowed each game fans would go home (reasonably) satisfied they’d not been robbed. Tottebham fans were robbed today.”
a) If the ref ruled this a penalty and then reviewed it on video he would not have overturned it. I don’t think it is a pen but it is too close to overturn once youve given it.
b) Lol at robbed today. Who says we couldn’t have put up 4 otherwise? I know its a different situation, but that obviously becomes a circular argument, its not like it was 90th minute though…
And, Spurs should have been down to 10 men after 3 mins when Palacios went diving in with two feet studs up and just barely missed Ronaldo….
“When was the last time a penalty was given against United at Old Trafford?”
Uhh like a month ago, maybe a little less?
hmm, looked like a pen from the stretty and when i got home and viewed it i still thought it was. dont know what craig burley is goin off his head about? i have seen em given for much less contact than was made on carrick there! and although gomes did touch the ball, he took carrick also and in my opinion should have had a red.
p.s good point vader lad! stone wall red card!
For me, a penalty, Carrick touches ball first. Anyway WHAT A BALL FROM ROONEY TO SET UP CARRICK.
Point 1. Last week we of should got a penalty, we didn’t and we’re out of the cup. I did’nt hear many neutrals (and press) debating how unlucky we were, that we took probably one of the best teams in the land all the way to a pen shoot out, they just bleated on about how disrespectful Sir Alex was towards the FA cup. Sir Alex on the other hand was quick to let those who listen, know that, we should of had a pen and then was quicker to say we move on.
Point 2. The first game changing decision was how Palcios didn’t get sent off for his 2 footed lunge on CR7. If he’s off then you have a different game.
Point 3. If we hadn’t got the pen we’d still be good for another 4, I think not concrete but I reckon we’d still had the beating of spurs.
Here’s me hoping that once we win number 18 and number 4 that merseyside is renamed miseryside and all liverpool fans are forced to hold up banners that say “I supported the FSW when he lied about FACTS and also supported him when he said SAF was running scared. I also supported him when United got 18 and follwoed it by their 4th. In Rafa I trust.
United does get lucky every now and then with a penalty but who doesn’t. Old Trafford can be an intimidating place for referrees and they may be swayed by fans’s reactions, but can someone seriously tell me that the same doesn’t happen at any major club’s home ground? Since Rafa’s rant, how many deserved penalties have we not been given, home and away? Since his rant, every penalty United is given is scrutinised, questioned and is deemed controversial for some reason or another. That was Rafa’s game plan from the onset – to create a sense of doubt in referees and fans minds whenever United is given a penalty, legitimate or controversial. There’s a strong anti-United sentiment since Jan – Rafa crafted it and the media is fueling it. Also, i’ve seen the Carrick penalty replays over and over again (coz they keep showing it over and over again on TV) and yes, i’ll admit that it is arguable, depending on which angle you’re looking at it from. That’s the point isn’t it – that one has to see the replays over and over again to see that Gomes got the faintest of touches to the ball. However, if you’re and honest football fan, you’ll also see that he barged into Carrick first and took him out at the same time that he touched the ball. Had the same circumstances occured at Anfield, something tells me that nobody would be questioning and the media wouldn’t be showing multiple replays.
fact: carrick got to the ball first, touched it with his right foot to make it go left.
fact finding: gomes is beaten to the ball and clattered into carrick. the ball went in the same direction as the keeper, and that may have given the impression that he touched the ball first, not carrick.
Theres no doubt Gomez took out Carrick before he got to the ball – eventually making sure Carrick wouldnt be able to get to the ball whereever it was pushed. Does that make it a pen? Well, if a player does something similar in the midfield a freekick will be given 9/10 times or so, because he got the man first – however, goalies always seem to get away with tackles like this aslong as they get the ball at some point. So by the “it would have been a freekick anywhere else on the field”-logic its a penalty, but by the usual “goalies can do whatever they want, as long as they eventually touch the ball”-logic it wasnt. Im honestly not sure – I know Id be furious if Scousers got a similar decision for them. Oh wait, they did – a freekick that never was and what seemed to be a handball involved in 2 of their 3 goals today, and also leading to the Hull player being sent off because of frustration.
We were probably a bit fortunate (to use Fergie’s own words) to get that pen, but it really was overdue seeing the amount of stonewall pens we had turned down over the season – Im just happy it was Carrick and not Ronaldo, or Rooney for that matter, as we would never hear the end of it from the media. Funny enough, many media sources actually seem to think Webb didnt make such a bad decision – wonder how it wouldve sounded if it had been Ronaldo instead of Carrick? Wonder how Webb would have reacted to it?
@Drew Vader:
And Gomez shouldve been off for the pen, but seemed like Webb didnt want to go all the way. Not that I mind, though – he didnt look too good on a couple of the goals. =)
Was it a pen ? ———- I dont bloody care………WE WON !!!!!!!
@Indyfan:
Pompey got a pen in the FA cup last year. I seem to remember Hull getting one this season aswell, and Liverpool got one the other week. But really, how many teams come to OT playing attacking football? Of course United will usually get more pens than the opposition there – Im not sure thats the case this season though.
Anyway, was the ref scared in this situation: http://www.dailymotion.com/user/RepublikOfMancunia/video/x7vlig_pogatetz-strangles_sport ? Seriously, fuck off with all your conspiracy shit – Liverpool got gifted two goals gifted today, especially the first.
Well..refs dont have to timely analyze and uniformly distribute penalties at different stadiums .. acc to the rules of the book, its common sense that a penalty is only supposed to be given for a valid foul inside the D. So coming up with the argument that there hasnt been a penalty against united at OT in so long is ridiculous!! It will be given only if it is one!! You can do with citing an example to help your case..not a statement like that…
It’s easy to speak from the stands…..
One has to see it from the refs position…fast action and am sure Carrick touched the ball first….
The ref had no option.
One has to question if it deserved a red or yellow card.
That’s what makes the premier league fantastic……great spectacle from Man Utd…..2009 premier league winners
Just watched all the matches again on match of the day. In all fairness I do not think it was a penalty; but the second half was vintage united and we deserved to win.
Liverpool in their game had some refereeing decisions that went their way, the first goal was never a free kick, and it was hand ball for the second goal. I’m not saying Liverpool wouldn’t have won, but it’s swings and roundabouts, not just refs favouring United.
RE: Indyfan.
I presume that you are a dipper supporter that thinks all refs favour United; let me point out one or two stats this season:
Which team has been awarded the most penalties (13).?
Which team has had the most players sent off against them.?
Which is the only team not to have had a player red carded in the premiership.?
Which team has scored he most goals in injury time (10).?
I’ll give you a clue, it’s not United. If it had of been, there would have been conspiracy theories flying round in all directions; but no, as it’s the media’s little darlings Liverpool, it’s ok.
Let’s just have some balance please.
I watched it in a bar as I’ve been away on holiday this week (blame the missus…). As a result I had the benefit of 20 immediate replays and I thought it was nailed on from every single angle. Admittedly I’d been drinking rather heavily in the preceding 2 hours…
Nailed on – I’m telling you!
Hey! I think it was a pen, Michael touched the ball first, then Gomes bring him down. Kuszczak was sent off for the same against Pompey last year, he touched the ball too, but there wasn’t question, that was a foul.
And jesus!! Was it game over after that?? Did we win 1-0?? There was still much to be done and in case the media weren’t watching properly: united slaughtered spurs 5-2.
Many fair points have been made. I don’t know the exact rules for the penalty situation, but.
Let’s imagine the situation. Carrick brings the ball into the penalty area and Gomes takes the ball off his feet. Then Carrick goes forward another few metres and Gomes takes him out. Isn’t it a pen? Does it really matter if this was made in one single motion ?
Funny old game isn’t i love taht every1 thinks we wouldnt have won only for the peno we were all over spurs like a rash before hand and scored 5.
That rangers cunt burley should not be allowed to be pundit i have never seen such one sided commnts on a sports channel even from the ex-dippers who to be fair usually have very good words to say about us but burley was an ABU Knacker sumbag
Actually a penalty that wasn’t gave United a 1-0 win at Portman Road 7 years ago that caused Burley’s Ipswich to get relegated.I don’t think he has ever gotten over it.The guy is a joke plain and simple.There are ex United pundits that are unbiased.Jamie Redknapp comes to mind.John Gregory was also very objective and a pleasure to hear.
Indyfan wat eva is ur name u’ar indeed a cunt go get ur facts b4 u create nuisance on dis 1daful site
Ye costas that’s what im getting at you should not be allow commentate a match if your biased, even stevie me tried his best on sky not to be biased against arsenal as hard it was for the criminal.
I got a little shiver up my back on here at half time yesterday kind of like if your walking home late at night and you get the feeling someone is watching you from the shadows something not quite human almost vermin like, everyone gets that feeling sometimes.
Turns out it was vermin waiting in the shadows to come on here and sing how we choked then a brillant light god sent to us in the form as a penalty sent them scurrying back to their bins,
Dont they know thats how we roll living on a knife edge its very extreme we never know when we’ll fall off
king eric & giles oakley been waiting for your comments
Why no one is questioning refereeing in Hull – Liverpool match?
Free kick that led to dippers to the first goal was a blatant dive, while for the second one the hand was used to control the ball.
It was not as if it was 90th minute at 2:2 and we get the penalty.
Why did Spurs have too ‘loose’ their head. Their life was not depending on the outcome of the match? They should have stopped whinging behaved like men and get on with it. Or rather the fact that United started playing for real in the second half something to do with it.
@seanmc26 i never heard Stevie Me’s comments.I saw Alan Hansen with Lineker.He did praise us but after he made the point about the penalty being the turning point.Yeah thanx.For me,Scholesy bullying them was as much of a turning point.As far as the vermin is concerned,i felt the same thing.I think SAF wants to make this 18th title the most torturous one for the scousers!
Corea
Its rule 11 of the Fifa Rules of the game. Nowhere does it say that if a player touches the ball then it isn’t a foul.
Also I think Webb should have sent off Gomez.
Also Palacious should have been red carded for his attempted murder on Ronaldo. Rule 11 again, you don’t have to make actual contact with a player.
This is why giving the referee access to a replay or technology is not a good idea. if this decision is not made in a split second, there will be thousands of people calling the referee worse than they are now. if the referee makes an honest mistake when a decision like this is so dubious then he is given the benefit of the doubt because people cant call it either way. if he makes a poor decision after seeing a replay such as this that is inconclusive then all his credibility is gone.
Anyway, of course it was a pen =)
I still don’t understand the fuss.It’s a controversial penalty not one that clearly wasn’t.Guys it’s standard practice in many countries.When a decision goes your way,your rivals and the media cunts that support them make a big deal out of it to create an impression and to insure that you never get a fair shake again.Don’t be surprised if we never get another penalty in our favor this season even if our players get shot in the penalty box.It happened after Rooney got the penalty against Arsenal in 2004.
To me, the main point is not whether Gomez touched the ball or Carrick. There are 2 facts here.
1) Carrick got to the ball first
2) Gomez clearly prevented Carrick from stroking the ball into an empty net
If this is not a penalty, what is? Though I am not very sure how the rules are written, I am quite sure if a player prevented someone from scoring, it is a red card. Vidic got it with Gerrard still outside the penalty box with a goalkeeper to beat. So how Gomez did not get it when he commited the offence 6yds from goal in front of an empty net, I do not know
Another point, if someone lunges into a 2 footed flying tackle, he clips the ball, but breaks the leg of the player. So are you telling me it is not an offence just because he touched 1mm of the ball first?
Oh, 1 more thing I find interesting. Look at the post match interview with Redknapp, when they show him the replays. He looked lost and there was even a hint of resignation that it could be a correct decision, before he broke out again to say it was a wrong call, before quickly switching the topic to a foul before we scored another goal. To me, I think it shows even Redknapp acknowledged its a penalty, but only trying to find an excuse for the hammering
Would someone kindly post a link to the statistics which show the number of penalties we’ve been given this (and conceded) season compared to Liverpool and Chelsea? Scott posted some statistics a little while ago.
It’s amazing how thick ABUs are that, instead of physically watching the games themselves, they ignore what actually happens and propagate this myth about penalties always going in United’s favour.
Indyfan being a case in point here. He must have seen the United-Liverpool game, or at least been made aware that we conceded a penalty that day. He must have been watching the United-Everton game the other day, or at least been made aware that we were denied a clearcut penalty.
In summary (to all ABUs) – fuck off, watch the games and come back when you have something sensible to post.
At the end of the day… there has been plenty of decisions that have gone against us this year… so i aint bothered… some ya win some ya lose… and in this case we got the decision…
All i will say on the matter is… that in real time footage… i would have given a penalty.
Superb second half performance yesterday, they could not live with the speed of United s attacks in the second half as simple as that. What an afternoon, the atmosphere second half should be like that from here on in. Electric. At half time I was thinking back to that game a few years ago when the lads were 3 nil down and I just had a good feeling about it. Scholes and Carlos obviously made a difference but all credit to Rooney in particular who was “immense” (yes Costas that word again)! , Ronnie and Berba. The passion was excellent to see in Ronnie yesterday I just hope the throwing of the shirt was not some kind of other symbol. On this form and with his attitude like this there is no way I want to see him leave this summer, not for Kaka, not for anyone.
The ABU ‘s are out in force predictably. On our way back from the game I was listening to Alan Green and the man should not be allowed on the radio. At one point one United fan called up to put him to task, he didn’t even begin to get his points across before swiftly being cut off. They actually tell you what you should and should not be talking about before they put you through to the studio. Hence no praising of United and no criticisms of the dippers game and their “very fortunate” decisions allowed. Pathetic, what happened to freedom of speech?
As for the penalty , it was pretty dubious but who gives a fuck? Well everyone it seems bar United fans. To think that unless we had got that we were dead and buried is laughable. Has nobody seen United chasing a game this season? The constant pressure and chance s we create. The truth is Spuds were 2 nil up at half time and they fuckin choked. They shit themselves. This will have a huge bearing on the season now. Bring on the Arsenal!
As i said above, what matter is what happens from here on.I am a bit concerned that the media will get on the refs’ backs from now on.And sometime a decision can change your fate.Lets not forget that referee mistakes have brought upon our last 2 FA cup exits.
Ps – How sick will the scousers be this morning!
Finally King Eric is here!Did you believe in destiny at half time mate?You remembered the Spurs game, i remembered the Everton game from 07.Personally i felt that the half time scoreline was veeery generous to them.3 attacks and 2 goals.Not even Arshavin had such an accuracy.
Forgive me for belaboring the point but I really am confused, some clarification would be appreciated.
So what do football rules actually say? To me it seemed that even though the keeper had contact with the ball, he also effectively took out a player with direct bearing on goal, thus it’s still a penalty, however complicated.I may be wrong though.
Anyone notice the similarity b/w Berbatov and Scholesy (the younger version) nowadays?
1) Both play deep behind the strikers
2) Both keep fantastic possession
3) Both play great passes consistently
4) Both quickly release the ball.
does anyone on here actually know what a foul is?
it looked a stonewall at first but having seen the replays on sky u can see it was a foul, unless u have goggles on. united ones!
anyway, its about fucking time we got a decision like that i,d say. we dont here about when we dont get em, but when we do………!
its bad enough listening to that twat andy gray and now theres another abu twat on setanta to spoil my viewing.
oh well, he who laughs last hey……….!
“Anyone notice the similarity b/w Berbatov and Scholesy (the younger version) nowadays?”
i did. some 5 months ago here at RoM.
When is a direct free-kick awarded?
whistle for a foul or misconduct, it helps the kicker to know if they can shoot straight at goal.
So when is a free-kick direct or indirect?
Here are 10 offences that can lead to a direct free-kick.
When a player:
Kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
Trips or attempts to trip an opponent
Jumps at an opponent
Charges an opponent
Strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
Pushes an opponent
Makes contact with the opponent before touching the ball when tackling
Holds an opponent
Spits at an opponent
Handles the ball deliberately
If any of these offences are committed by a player inside their own penalty area then it’s a penalty.
[http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/rules_and_equipment/4200940.stm]
Gomes tripped Carrick in the penalty area, did’nt he?
lots has been said about the pen but i am sorry to say but it was NOT a pen. gomes got the ball before he got carrick. but i sure aas fuck hate it when the stupid pundits go on about it being a turning point of the season. the stupid scouses think every man utd match is a turning point – macheda couyld have won the title for an utd by scoring the winner against a.villa. but when we lose out on wwinning the quintiple and don’t get a clear cut penalty then nothing is said about it. we are man utd and whatever happens we will win the title. and as for all those liverfool fans saying that we only win because of the decisions given in our favour need i remind you what the table would have looked like last season had all the decisions been correct>?
1. man utd
2. arsenal
3. chelski
4. everton
5. a villa
6. liverpool
And how about the amount of comebacks liverpool have made this season against ten – men team? :@
Regarding the pen – first Redknapp needs to put a sock in it – nevertheless, trying to be as neutral as I possibly can be, I still cannot see why that is not a penalty. If spurs were denied a similar shout yesterday they (and the other bitter’s) would be coming on here telling us we’d bought the trophy, again!! So the first question to be asked of every spurs fan is whether they honestly would have accepted a referee’s decision to deny them a penalty in that situation. It’s one thing to say ‘yes, we would have after the replay’ and totally another thing to say that ‘the ref should have seen that’ – I doubt he could have seen the fingertip that gomes go to it.
Second, ever seen those penalties/fouls where a defender drags the attacker down and gets the ball at the same time? Or a defender taking a player out and then making contact with the ball? The fact is gomes took carrick out first, and also significantly, did not do anything to alter the trajectory of the ball to any consequential extent. Finally, he’s dived there which means from that point onwards he’s not really in control of his body (similar to a defender slide tacking, with both feet especially) – the fact that he got the ball intentionally is as dubious as anything else in that situation.
watched the game on setanta and the commentry was outrageous. the more i listen to and read the media the less i want to. i thought we were alright in the first half, not brilliant, but we created more then spurs. they had 3 chances and scored 2 goals but according to the commentators, we were shocking. i always felt if we got one back we would win it. tevez coming on for nani changed the game, not the penalty decision which for the record, i believe could have gone either way.
everybody bar ourselves wants us to loose the league, fact! any defensive error or poor performance and the media are all over it like a cheap suit. they are trying to get to the players and fans by planting seeds of doubt in our heads. they are also trying to influence referees by trying to infer that there is a bias towards us and that refs are scared of Fergie. the hate and contempt our club is held in by so called pundits like alan green is quite sickening. we are champions of england, europe and the world and they hate it. they hate it and they want us to fall.
we need to believe in ourselves and rise above the hate filled abu tripe that is trotted by these green eyed vulchers. if we are crowned champions at the end of this season, it will be one of the sweetest ever.
Costas – Yeah “fate” again mate!
Bingo – spot on, they are still banging on about it 24 hours later on talksport. The pundits? Alvin Martin the Scouser and Ray Houghton the ex dipper. When you try and get through you simply can’t they won’t entertain United fans. Even the rentboys are sticking up for us. Can we petition to stop this bias, it should not be allowed in modern day football, at least not in these proportions?
Howard webb made major mistakes……………he should have sent both palacios and gomes out, though he got the pen right, stonewall.
As a United fan I still feel we can look at situaitons clearly and when I watch that full speed it looks like a penalty. On replay, slowed down, I got to say that was no penalty. You can’t blame the ref for the call as it happens it a high rate of speed and he is behind the play. Behind the play at full speed it looked like a pk, which I shouted for at the time. But after watching the replays I knew we got a bit lucky.
We got a call but that happens for every team at least once during the course of the season. I think it was a simultaneous collision but I would be furious had a decision like that been given the other way.
Any ways does it even matter since we ended up with 4 goals after that? I don’t think the PK was what got us going but rather Fergie’s talk at half-time and bringing on Tevez to replace Nani. We sparked into life and it was only a matter of time until we found the back of the net, Webb just helped us out a bit.
Devil – Agree that Palacios should have been sent off for a shocking attempt at a challenge. While I think the PK was the wrong decision, if you give it a red must follow, as it was a clear scoring opportunity. It would have been harsh based on the circumstance in my opinion but right by the letter of the law.
How is it that when there is a controversy in favour of ManUtd….hell breaks out and no commentator speaks of the marvellous comeback United made.
How is it that noone made a controversy on the NOT given penalty in the FA cup semifanial against Everton…..Ahh but that penalty wasn’t given so it’s ok.
As most people said Carrick did get the ball first as the slides show and Gomez brought him down in his slide……OK one might say it was harsh, but the Ref has to make a slpit second decision and this has to be given on how fast the action was as well.
So, yes for me Mr.Webb was right in allowing the pen.
Also, when there is a controversy involving United all managers speak about the video assistance. For me that will kill the game of football as the game has to be stopped when there is a controversy. Video assistance is only to be used in goal line assistance to see if a ball has crossed the line when in doubt only.
After all we are humans and everone errs every now and then……
I had the match recorded and watched it over and over in slow motion,watch carefully, carrick just got his feet on it turning the ball to the left before gomes collided with him,then tipping the ball slightly,yes kelvin, it would have been harsh to give gomes the red card but do you think for one minute if the case were reverse that van der saal wont be sent off? ask kuszczak.
I just watched Papcios tackle on Ronaldo. The more you see it the worse it gets. He should be given at least a 10 match ban. had he got Ronaldo we would have been now talking of a wasted career.
They banned Evra for nothong that happend after the match. Old farts at FA should act now before someone gets really, really hurt.
And our media ‘well-wishers’ go on and on about the penalty that to be the right decision after all.
the devil. watch it over again and i think you will find gomes touched it, slightly, then caught carrick.
i dont think webb could not have give it without exray specs, it looked a clear penalty at first. especially from his angle.
John Gregory in the commentary box is so anti Man Utd. He makes me want to throw up. As for the penalty, as already said and written Carrick took the ball first, Gomes touched Carrick in the process of trying to get to the ball and tripped him. In Italy and in Spain, there would not even be a discussion about it. Clear penalty. But even if this incident did not take place, Spurs were still 1 – 2 up at this time. Why should they throw in the towel. If the situation was the other way round and United were winning 2 – 0 and Spurs got the penalty, does anybody think that United would have crumbled the way Spurs did. The truth is that as from the beginning of the second half United showed the difference in quality between the two sides and Spurs were well beaten. Now let’s all be honest, Webb is not exactly one who gives penalties to United freely both at OT and away. I never heard anybody complaining last Sunday when we did not get the penalty on Wellbeck v Everton in the FA Cup semi. By the way when are Liverpool going to win a match against 11. Craig Burley, you’re just an anti Man Utd cunt. Go hide in the hills you ugly son of a bitch.
I’m going to go watch setanta’s coverage of the game again, just to hear craig burley go bananas…since his opinion counts for shit, I might as well enjoy his agony!
yes mahesh, doing the same thing now,almost feeling sorry for him
Hey, Wazza, flattered you’ve been waiting for my comments, good on you! I’ve been refraining from crowing because my big brother is a Spurs fan (since the 50s). I doubt if he reads this site but still, he’s a bit aggrieved about the penalty. As for me, I think it was a fair decision, although I can see the arguments on both sides. But even if it was a bad decision, that still left United a goal down, so to me it’s all a bit of a smokescreen for ‘Arry and a golden opportunity for all those media ABUs and Scousers to cry ‘foul’. I thought it was a stunning performance by United in the second half, one of the best seen anywhere this year. I have had to endure a a few bad results against Spurs over the years, 4-1 defeat in 1960 by the Spurs Double team was one of the low points of my United career, so I just loved this. Almost as good as the 5-3 comebeck in 2001, which I saw. There was even a photo of that game in the press where you could see me in the crowd after Beckham scored then. Magic. What a buzz yesterday, eh???
wow i’m watching the setanta coverage as well speak (again!) and I must say the anti-united nature of the commentary (from both commentators) is staggering. they just keep going on and on about the penalty….
Carrick interview
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article2396360.ece
i thought having video replays for incidents like this is the way forward, but having read all these comments on how that was a penalty im thinking whats the point?! amazing really how we only see what we want to!
They are still on about it on Sky too! Not a thing about mascherano or the handball for kuyts goal though.
Bossdem: good point! I must say though I have looked at it so many times from an unbiased opinion and still cannot make mind up. If so many are still unsure how would a replay system in the game work?
How you can look at the second picture and tell yourself that he touched carrick’s legs before the ball is so laughably biased i wonder why we’re even bothering to talk about this.
Ure second pic alone shows that the gloves are a microsecond away from the ball NOT HIS LEGS!
PLUS HOWARD ADMITTED HE COCKED UP!
For me and to all my friends here who were watching the game it was a sure penalty..it looked that way in TV..if i am sure then at the start of the season, Liverpool got some penalties in the same way, why the fuck are they complaining now? It just shows the lack of spirit from the scousers.. it absolutely pisses me off when people say it was due to a refereeing mistake we won the game.bloody fuck those bastards..It took great deal of character and determination,class and guile to come back from 2 goals down at half time to win in that fashion. When the fucking scousers were winning games after being a goal or two down the SOB Rafa was calling it great character from his side…but reality they won half and more of those games on sheer luck (refereeing decisions and some pathetic display from opponents)