This time last season, if Wayne Rooney had been ruled out for a month, we would have been totally gutted. As well as being the glue that holds our team together, showing great vision on the attack and working tirelessly to help win the ball back, he also scores a huge proportion of our goals. He scored a goal in each of our opening two games last season against West Brom and Spurs, before scoring a hattrick against Arsenal in our third game. By the end of the September, he had scored nine goals in five games.
Things are different this year. We started with a 1-0 defeat at Goodison Park, a difficult ground to go to, following a disappointing performance from United. Rooney wasn’t alone in being unimpressive but he stood out as one of the worst performers, chugging around the pitch, carrying too much weight, sweating too much and being nowhere near sharp enough. A couple of chances fell to him and he fluffed them both.
Several United fans were calling for him to be dropped for the next game, a viewpoint I didn’t share, and replaced with one of our fitter strikers. Robin van Persie needed time to settle with his new team after not having much of a pre-season and Javier Hernandez didn’t even make the bench for Goodison so was probably due some minutes on the pitch. Whilst I don’t agree with a player earning close to £1m a month smoking, eating and drinking himself silly during the summer, our priority was to get Rooney fit, whatever words were said about his unacceptable condition behind the scenes, so I wanted him to start. Still, you’ve got to trust the manager, and Robin van Persie, supported by Shinji Kagawa, was his starting choice. Ferguson’s decision was, of course, the right one, with them RvP and Kagawa scoring our first two goals of the game after going 1-0 down.
Rooney came on with over 20 minutes to go and didn’t set the world alight but maybe he looked a bit better. However, in injury time, just outside our box, a player went down injured. The other players huddled round him and a man near me went “it’s not Van Persie, is it?”. This time a year ago, the idea of Rooney being on the deck, needing a stretcher to take him off the pitch, would have driven us nuts, but that man sitting near me seemed to be voicing what most of us were thinking. No, of course we don’t want Rooney injured, because he can be such an important player for us, but judging on his current impact compared to our new striker, it’s fair to say we’d be more disappointed if RvP was out.
Four weeks means Rooney will definitely be missing Southampton away and Wigan at home as well as our first Champions League game. He could be available for Liverpool away, although like Goodison, it’s not a ground he typically plays well at and if he hasn’t had a game since Fulham, would likely only be an option from the bench. This time last year, the idea of Rooney missing Anfield would have gutting, despite knowing he hasn’t had a good game there for years, but now, is it that much of a problem? We’ll start Van Persie with Kagawa behind him, we have the option of Chicharito, who scored a late equaliser there last season, and Danny Welbeck. With our injury crisis at the back, our lack of options in midfield, if we could afford to take an injury anywhere, it’s to one of the strikers.
The hope is that Rooney will come back in to the team raring to go, eager to show Van Persie (who hopefully will be at the top of scorers table) who is boss, looking far fitter and ready than he did in our opening two games. When he’s on form, Rooney is our most important player, but he looked as though the season started too soon for him. Maybe seeing the other players doing well over the next month will be the incentive he needs to sort himself out.
Get well/fit soon, Wazza.
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Yes, it’s unfortunate to see Rooney go down, but this just gives the chance for RVP to truly bed himself into the squad…
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I just think wooton should be given a run out against Southampton. Wazza wont dissapoint when he returns.
good piece, and i hope that rooney will come back hungry and eager to demonstrate his incredible value to this great club. i suppose that we will be seeing a lot more of the kagawa rvp duo up top, and i was impressed with both their play against fulham, plus delighted to see them both get their first competitive goal for united. BUT i was already concerned that it could take a while to find out the best way/formation to fit in rvp, rooney, and kagawa. seems like that process will be delayed a month…
I think it will take a bit of time before the Euro players discover top form. Think it’s a bit early to get on Rooney’s back. He’s been our most important player for the last few years and though he sometimes can go through some patchy form he always shows up in the biggest and most important games. We will surely need him back, but thankfully we have decent cover options for now.
RVP is the perfect wake up call for Rooney. He has become complacent and sometimes acts like he’s bigger than the club. Hopefully this is the kick up the arse he needed. Hope he comes back quick though,our team always seems empty without them.
Last paragraph spot on. We’ll see.
But it is alwaysa chance RvP gets injuried and us not being right to assume we had been right in saying we could afford this injury.
Time will tell.
For some players season starts too soon, for others season ends too late.
You can’t be 100% fit throughout the season. It depends.
there are some reports Rooney might be out for 2 months, not just the one, hopefully there’s no substance to these reports but it was a really deep gash
2 months isn’t that great eh ? 1 month with Southhampton and Wigan and CL first game is fine, but 2 months ?
Not that of a great news to some of his haters just because they care for the club i suppose.
We should have enough cover even for van persie, we have angelo,the whiz kid from chile
Get well soon Wayne.
off topic: i really hope we do not sell nani. sure, he’s frustrating at times and was again at goodison. but honestly, seeing ashley young out there in his stead is far less inspiring IMO
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9500874/Manchester-Uniteds-Wayne-Rooney-faces-two-months-out-after-surgery-and-a-fight-for-his-place-when-he-returns.html
I agreed with Rooney being dropped to the bench. More must be demanded of him and SAF knows this. I thinks he knows it as well. The lack of a flow of blood from his cut was a good sign. We are fortunate to have much cover for his absence. In fact, we looked very good before he came on. His time away will allow others to step up. He wants to play and will fight for his place. It could have been much worse.
First off, I’m going to talk about the game. There were definitely a lot of positives from that performance especially after the Everton game. The gift half was definitely some of the most fluid football I’ve seen from United in quite a long time. Kagawa really is a genius, he’s only being let down by our reliance on the wrong play which means he doesn’t get the ball as much as he should. But I’m sure that will come with find, although that could possibly mean a possible formation change to the diamond one as this would increase Kagawa’s influence in the team. I might b a bit biased but Rafael was my man of the match especially in that first half, he was stuck in everything and was very effective. Another reason why I don’t want to see TV7 in the RB position again as they have such a good combination on that right flank. Cleverley also had a good game, he seems to bring the best out of Ando although they are both defensively suspect. As for RVP, all I can say is I hope he keeps producing that kind of magic from nothing. There are not many strikers in the world that would have turned that cross into a goal from his position. Even Evra had a good game, haven’t seen that for a while I must say. As for De Gea, the man is pure class, almost another flawless performance has it not been for that mix up with Vidic in the 2nd half. Now onto the negatives. The 2nd half was the United from the last season, and it was not nice to see. Throwing away a commanding lead and not putting teams away is something we need to get rid of. We seemed out of ideas, and the substitutions just did not make sense, Welbeck/Giggs/Rooney were all unnecessary. 3 forwards, that just didn’t make sense. I must admit I was one of those calling for Rooney to get benched and was happy he was, but to lose him to such an injury when he really shouldn’t have bn introduced to the game hurt. Hopefully he’s back a lot earlier than the 2 months that’s being quoted, I just hope he regains his form, fitness and drive whilst he’s out coz I can see the Kagawa combination blossoming in his absence which could make it harder for him to retain his place. I think he might forced into the wide forward role like Villa as someone suggested. I would rather that than Young tbh, who always seems clueless other than that assist. Vidic is definitely not at his best, but hopefully he regains his form and we get some of our CBs back so Carrick can take his role in front of the back 4 where he’s most effective. And I almost forgot about TV7′s two left foot crosses, that was epic. I hope to see more of that. Good game from Dembele as a sidenote, he’s a beast and would be worth the dollars if we were to invest in him. And the Nani hate needs to stop, I would still play him over Young any day. He’s a flair player, and even though he can so frustrating, he’s s game changer. And he has the potential to link up well with cleverly and Kagawa which is more than I can say for the dependable one dimensional young who is making those back passes a habit.
Sorry for the parts that don’t make sense, autocorrect on the phone is a pain.
IF SPURS SIGN DEMBELE AND WE JUST SIT DOWN AND LOOK I WILL BE TOTALLY FURIOUS WITH FERGIE AND WILL CONSIDER HITTING THE “FERGIE OUT” BUTTON.WE MUST NOT LET DEMBELE SLIP AWAY.A WORLD CLASS PLAYER IN THE MAKING!!!FERGIE FUCKING SIGN HIM UP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seeing Rooney standing on one leg, pointing angrily at the bone-deep gash in his knee, I couldn’t help but marvel at his strength of will. Surely there are not many footballers that wouldn’t be writhing, screaming or otherwise performing like a stuck pig. Our Wayne has a toughness reminiscent of days long gone by.
Get well soon Wayne Rooney, and come back FIT please!
T4M
I’m not waiting, I’m pressing the “T4M OUT” button as I speak.
Fuck off you ungrateful twat. Fuck off to Fulham and suck your boy Dembele off every week.
We don’t know for sure what ROONEY was up to during his time off. So this summer he wasted his vacation “smoking, eating and drinking”. How do we know it didn’t also happen last summer? Or in previous summers? NANI also looked below par at Everton, but I don’t see anyone suggesting he was stuffing his face during the summer.
Anyway, it’s not uncommon for ROONEY to lack fitness immediately after a summer tournament combined with an injury(which he was carrying at the end of last season). This time off will help him catch a breather and work on his fitness. 4 weeks or more sounds over the top imo and maybe we want to give him some extra time to work on his fitness. But we will miss him during that time.
I hope he takes time to look around him and see what he has got. Get well soon.
Off topic…
If De Gea did what Pepe did yesterday there would be a lot of harsh words direced at him. The media is willing him to fail and they will magnify him in every negative angle. He will always be called sahky/dodgy just like the way Nani and Ronaldo were called divers even when they cut out the going down easily. They didnt come down on Carragher for his shin bursting challenge on Nani but instead made a mockery of Nani. They are not objective is my conclusion.
like it or not Wayne rooney is still one of our most important players and one of our best players over the last decade. I wish him the quickest possible recovery because rooney,rvp and kagawa is a lot more dangerous than just rvp and kagawa.
rooney is a selfless hardworker he proved this during ronaldo’s glory years. he is more than willing to give RVP the limelight and he can still smash them in even in a supporting role. we need to give one of our best players the respect he deserves. Rooney will come back more fired up than ever. its just early season slump. its no secret that roo needs games to be in tip top shape and when hes in tip top shape he is devastating tp watch no matter where he plays and truth be told id rather play rooney on the left right now than Young or Nani.
I’m hoping something good will come out of this Rooney’s injury. He’s a tough nut and will get well again and I hope with this unexpected set back, he’ll even come back fitter, better and hungrier. On the meantime, Chico will get some starts and RVP will start to gel with our MFs.
Get well soon, Roo and don’t drink or smoke while you recover. As an aside, did someone look at the video again in slow mode, was it really unintended, the way he landed with his studs?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2194152/Liam-Moore-wanted-Manchester-United.html
Wayne Rooney is a special player. Someone who can do things few others can.
Like any young man, added with the fame and fortune ,media, and an idiotic agent, he made mistakes that dangered his marriage and career.
He fixed it and is moving foward. Lucky bastard.
Every season he has this periods, where his touch is heavy, getting caught on the ball, fucked up passing, missing chances.
Fergie understands his players,knows how to get Rooney thru this patches. When he is on, he is on,he fights for his team.
What he did on Saturday was to throw himself to stop the shot and got injured in the process.
I salute him. He is now entering a peak phase of his career, his more matured and will play anywhere the manager wants him without complaining.
He would run himself to the ground ,thats the kind of player he is.
All this talk of United giving in to him is bull fucking shit. Do u actually think Fergie and the club wud allow that to happen?
They cornered him and he backed down(his stupid agent was responsible).
And understand this he accepted the deal United had prepared for him.
No he is not earning 250k. United are not that crazy , what they are crazy about ,always have been is to maintain thier financial discipline.
They said they were going to make Rooney the highest paid player and will change thier rules on maximum wage limit.
Wayne is earning a basic more than 100 k a week and the rest is coming from his royalties.
For this first time United have been blessed that we now have a Rooney equalivent, Robin Van Persie.
RVP carried arsenal.
Now he is with us, we have 2 gifted fighters who can carry the load of responsibility and more.
We now have options like we did in 99. Many of u cant forgive him for the contract issue,thats fine.
Just dont go ruining one of our own, Yes he is one of ours.
Now, Nani’s team seem to have pushed United too far in his wage demands.
But all the news report point to leaks from agents ,trying to influence the negotiations.
We have seen this many times in the the past , from Wes Brown to Giggs .
I just hope Nani’s agent has not pushed the demands too far.
Rooney is like our engine room – vital as a powerhouse for attack. When the team plays well it is usually driven by Wayne having a great game. However, the preseason and Everton game weren’t the best for him – he looked sluggish and lacking drive. I think it’s devastating he’s out / won’t be match-fit for 4-8 weeks. We have cover, and exciting cover with the evidence of the play between RVP, Kagawa and Valencia, (and Wellbeck & Hernandez in the background) but a fit Rooney is what we need. We were having an embarassment of riches with attacking players – reminded me of the Sherringham/Ole/Cole/Yorke era. Maybe this break will give Rooney a chance to reflect and for the other lads to prove their worth. No more injuries though, hey?
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Aug/raimond-van-der-gouw-expects-alex-buttner-to-be-a-hit-at-united.aspx
WeAreRed: Wow… you wrote all that on your phone? Agree with the RB/RW-part, Rafael and Valencia are great together. Such a combination of energy and enthusiasm. A joy to behold.
@scott as if u were following WR around all pre season and seeing and watching his every move??
@WayneRoooney: I’m not surprised Nani didn’t turn up for training today. Looks like he had his hands full over at Andy Cole’s!
#manutd http://t.co/s25mH3Oa
On another note this looks as if its not been photoshoped! Absolutely disgraceful if true. Shocking! I told andy cole off on twitter about it and he gave me a mouthfull and then blocked me and deleted his tweet! WTF is going on!? No wonder Nani wasn’t involved on Saturday…
I doubt the stories saying he’s out for 2 months. Maybe a month, but I suspect Fergie will use this time to get Rooney in better shape. He certainly needs it….
Great article. This is what I said yesterday in the other thread if it was not for purchase of rvp thins injury to rooney would have been big. I hope rooney does return in september. An inform rooney and inform rvp could be devastating.
We are so blessed with attackers now that even if Rvp gets sidelined, we are going to be alright. Now imagine the horror of Carrick and Cleverley being out together. Essentially, we are down to 3 central midfielders now if we do not count Scholes, because ideally his availability is just a bonus. So either we can bring in someone or we can put Tunni on the bench, either way, it just feels uncomfortable for now that we don’t have any reliable backups to call upon for Carrick
There was a discussion during the summer which of our players was most important to the team. Both Rooney and Carrick got their fair share of votes. Given the players brought in I’m pretty sure Carrick is that player now. Omit him from the team or play him in defense and the balance of the team is totally off. This has been apparent in both games so far and reminds me of last season when every team we played got lots of opportunities and shots on goal. As we aren’t buying anyone for DM Carrick has a massive role to play in the team and I don’t think his importance can be overstated from now on out.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2194023/Shinji-Kagawa-I-understand-Alex-Ferguson-says.html
Kags raises a good point that United seem to pass the ball sideways alot. I don’t know whether he is taking in to account when teams put every player behind the ball though…! Lolz.
Rooney wasn’t rolling about in agony because of the shock of the injury. Players who are genuinely injured stay very still because it would hurt more to be rolling over on a sore leg or arm. It just shows how used to feigning injury we are that we can praise Roon for not acting like he was having a seizure against Fulham.
Also has anyone noticed the high number of young players SAF has signed over the past number of years. Could be attributed to the clubs transfer policy but could it mean SAF is on his way out in a few years and is leaving a good mix for the next manager?
IcedEarth: great read on Buttner, that and the Mirror piece suggest he has some spirit!
Former RED van der Gouw
“People will love him because he gives absolutely everything.. he’ll never let you down”
AlphaRS:
Eh, SAF is 70 now, of course he is going to leave in a few years…
It has always been like that. We buy youngsters and make them superstars.
Other than RVPs goal he didn’t exactly do much else. To many crosses coming into the box where he was ball watching and letting the defender get in front him with putting up much of a fight, he needs to be attacking those balls at the near post. Can easily say our crosses wernt that great but and I’d agree but it’s something he needs to work on.
Rooney will come back stronger from his injury. Like it or not he’s still our most important all round player. Nobody puts in more effort or sacrafices more fir the team than Rooney when fit, it’s just a matter of him hitting top gear in terms of fittnes. Don’t see why he won’t be able to work on his fittness over the next 3-4 weeks while he’s out with the injury then return in peak shape, once he gets his match sharpness back Rooney and RVP will be frightning together
RE Rooney. Good read from STR. Speaks volumes that Rooney appears unfit at the start of this season…… again. United have always been said to have a slow start. But the margins are closing every year. If we had had a slow start last year, the gap would have been down to more than points.
Rooney needs to get his head in it.
On that topic some reports are suggesting the injury is more severe and might have complications.
Get well soon Roo!
Dave Malaysia, very well put.
The thing is that had this post appeared without RVP in, all of us would be shitting bricks and the thread would have been full of “gutted” posts. Yes he fucked up big time, and I understand that many still feel some rancor for that episode. I understand he’s not the most disciplined and deserves some flak for it, but some posts saying that he should be sold etc., are just BS, and I bet their authors would have been “gutted” if RVP werent there, now that Berba has been ireevocably frozen out.
So, I ask myself again, who are the mercenaries – the players, the fans, or both?
@LoneStarRed: You say “The lack of a flow of blood from his cut was a good sign”. Being a military man, I’m sure you know how/why – I thought that the lack of blood flow means that the cut is very deep, right into the muscle?
Sell Rooney. Sign Owen. Er wait a minute….
Wayne is a tough cookie he will be back and fighting fit and he WILL be a even greater than he was before …. Cos he will see that he might well be not the first choice he has become accustomed to…. Competition for 1st team places makes us stronger
morning all
Wayne is a very important player, but from the atricle I will take one important and very positive point. With him out we are not in PANIC mode. I put this down to RVP, but mainly Kagawa. I can see Kags, playing passes to chicho even if we lose RVP.
This lad will become a utd great and possibly our most important player.
Hmm looks like the blog has lost a lot of traffic. That too the more interesting characters around here. Instead we’re left with twats going first and second.
Gutted about Rooney. i wanna see Both them strikers in tandem tearing defences apart. Hope he’s back and in form sooner rather than later
Whoopee — he can spend another two months in bed eating pies.
DreadedRed @ T4M
I’m not waiting, I’m pressing the “T4M OUT” button as I speak.
Cheers!! Too many of these so called United fans, I hate them to the core!!!
Rooney out is still a blow. No matter what you think about the lad, he’s a top player. Just hope RvP stays fit…..
I think Alpha could be onto something? Fergie retiring….
Sense my tone!
Modric to Madrid confirmed, apparently 30 million Euros
am prob gonna get slated for this but fuck rooney why the fuck is he not fit 2 weeks inthe sun should of being enough for him then start thinking of the new season .was it him fergie was talking about in his notes in the match programme about a player falling out of love with the club because fergie didnt look to bothered when he got injured.if it was then fuck him sell him i think he could be past his best.am ready for all the haters now.
utd_fc
Does your post therefore describe you as a ‘”less interesting character” ?
Are you one of the “twats we’re left with” ?
Just wondering mate, this is not a personal attack.
ps Traffic is not down. It’s actually up slightly.
Of course, Rooney missing from the team, gives the boss a chance to unleash Kagawa in his favoured position. Brilliant article in the Guardian saying as much. Not sure who the guy was writing it, but he was waxing lyrical about Kagawa. He will be our Silva. Creating havoc in and around the oppositions penalty area. In time, it will be proved, we really robbed Dortmund for Kagawa. Rooney was good in the number 10 position. This lad will excel in there!
Seems the 4 weeks could well turn out to be 8 as they diagnosed it was far more serious than initially suspected. Now when he will indeed come back, we should not expect him to start setting alight the opposition defense, as being on the sidelines for a long time will affect him physically of course, but also morally, and if in the meantime if anyone between Welbeck or Chicharito playing alongside RvP has settled very well with the latter, then it could prove to be a difficult comeback for him as well.
We will only know what we have with Rooney when we don’t have him.
Don’t understand why some people are making excuses for Rooney being rubbish. He isn’t the only player that went to the Euros and he didn’t even play much while he was there. Didn’t Evra also go to the Euros? Van Persie too? Both looked fine to me on Saturday. If Rooney is off colour its got nothing to do with going to the Euros and everything to do with his attitude (we’ve seen how Rooney lets himself go in pre-season with fags and McDs) Torres and Mata both went to the Euros can you make a convincing case they’ve looked bad so far this season?
Since January 1st 2012 Rooney hasn’t looked the same. He’s been brilliant in fits and starts a half against City in the F.A. Cup, a half at Chelsea, a half at Wolves but not the same player that dragged us back from the bring in the 2-4 at Upton Park in 2010/11. If Rooney was playing the number 10 role so well why would Fergie buy Kagawa? Clearly the Boss has recognised that while Rooney is scoring lots his all around game has gone a little by the wayside.
Rooney really does need to step it up. He is a great player now he needs to play like it.
Hello, Guys. Nasty ass gash. The squad is the key for MUFC, silver lining thing. Rooney can watch ans see how he can play with the new dudes.
Rooney is a tuff fucker. Holds up his leg looks at the ref like wtf stop play here.
For my friend Cedars, not like Nani and cry.
The One
Cheers to you too, mate! They are also hated my me.
Ungrateful, shallow and selfish; I wish they would action their words by leaving us forever.
I expect they won’t be leaving anytime soon, so we will just have to educate them.
Vidic – like your namesake, you fucking nailed it!!!
Read some BS on here last night about folk leaving the blog? I’m not going anywhere! Yes, there’s a new forum for United fans(ND’58) if you want to branch out and try something different. Doesn’t mean you have to leave RoM. You can bounce from one to the other, if you so wish. As for Cedars? I honestly haven’t a clue if he’s departing this blog for good. Can only speak for me. Yous fuckers aren’t getting rid of the RedNut that easily!
T4M – You make Dembele sound like Messi, mate?
Off the topic of United:
Daniel Levy said:
“Luka has been a terrific player for us and, while we preferred not to part with him, we are pleased that it is to Real Madrid, a club with which we now look forward to sharing a long and productive partnership.”
With Willie on that!!
Ditto Willie. No fucker tells me what or where to post
Havent read all the comments, so someone might have stated it before. But it looks like Rooney will be out for 2 months.
Don’t care if we won’t miss as much as if it where a year ago, Rooney is still one of our most important gamechangers. Get well soon!!
Love the Wolf.
I’m off to work.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The wolf pack!!!!!!!!!
was my first ever RoM comment, and I was first. Cut me some slack fellas
Cedars is having a self empowered sabbatical from ROM …, I am sure he will be back as he will miss the banter
And my tongue
Rooney out for 2months according to the Telegraph.
Only hope is faster recovery than anticipated, like Nani when Carragher caught him in 2011.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9500874/Manchester-Uniteds-Wayne-Rooney-faces-two-months-out-after-surgery-and-a-fight-for-his-place-when-he-returns.html
Mitch Kramer – It’s an annoying thing to do pal, doesn’t contribute to the discussion at all. At least you left a meaningful comment after that, some cunts don’t even do that much..
on some forum there is a debate about who will be on top after the season end, kagawa or hazard. the fact that he is mention on the same braket as hazard show us wht amazing piece of business that was.
fucking genius this guy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/aug/26/shinji-kagawa-wayne-rooney-manchester-united
Fergie banned Mark Ogden from his press conferences for breaking the story on Rio missing the Everton game. Seems harsh, that…
gotcha boogeyman, won’t happen again. the rumors linking rooney to a 50 mil pound transfer seem foolish to me, especially considering the lengths the club went to in order to keep him almost two years ago. i don’t think fergie was talking about roo in the program when he mentioned the “falling out of love with the club”, and i also think that fergie would be unwilling to sell him to another english club (like arsene with RvP). could you see rooney playing abroad? tough for me to imagine. if anything i think fergie may have been alluding to nani, though it seems a bit strange to do that in the match day notes tbh. as i mentioned before, nani is frustrating at times and breathtaking at others, but i strongly disagree with those who’d prefer to see ashley young on the left in place of nani. simply not the same level of talent, though nani clearly needs to stop being so hot and cold.
How are you coping with Sir Alex Ferguson’s team talks?
Kagawa: I can’t tell a word he says! I am trying to learn English, but understanding the manager might take a little longer
That’s because it isn’t quite english… is it.
#EPIC! Has a bit of humor the lad!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2194023/Shinji-Kagawa-I-understand-Alex-Ferguson-says.html
A journalist breaking a story on a Manchester United player… What did he expect?
Costas hi mate we do know some of things Rooney was doing,a week before the Euros he was in Las Vegas at a nightclub with women that wasn’t his wife.After the Euros when Sir Alex gave him extra holidays partied with Piers Morgan, Chris Brown and went to a vodka party with Rap artists that was all in the first week
Sir Alex shouldn’t have given him the extra holidays and should’ve been with the club for the full tour,think it’s obvious left to his own devices not a good thing.Hopefully with Rvp and Kagawa it’ll be the kick up the ass he needs
coomy: Cheers. Even more so Modric and maybe Moura, who were properly in the running last 2 years, and this, according to reports.
Luka Modric 35M to Virus
Hazard 32M to Chaves
Moura 32M to PS G
Kagawa 14-17M to the good guys.
Love rooting for the underdog! Get in Shinji!
David DeGea: Need a new Right Back boss?
Bet Fergie wasn’t amused!
http://www.offthepost.info/blog/2012/08/gif-it-david-de-geas-mad-skills-manchester-united-3-2-fulham/
via Rob Parker
did Sir Alex write the comments below in the match day program?
Reports further indicate that United are considering slapping a £50m price tag on the former Everton man if his conduct does not improve.
Sir Alex Ferguson seemed to add credence to these stunning developments while showering praise to Robin Van Persie’s commitment to give his all for the Red Devils.
“If I hear a player has fallen out of love with us, and is looking elsewhere I invariably help them out of the door.” Fergi said.
Such sentiments were shared by former Newcastle United and England legend Alan Shearer.
Writing in The Sun, Shearer opined: “Rooney should be entering the peak years of his career.
“Instead he appears to be at a crossroads rather than golden track to further glory.
“Question marks over his fitness, rumours of discontent between himself and the manager and now the arrival of Robin Van Persie and Shinji Kagawa.
T4m Most agree top post in few years !
Top post my arse!
passe – Hmm, free press? This isn’t North Korea, or Russia. Unless something happened, that we’re not privy too, it is a harsh imo.
*tad*
I’m the 84th!!
What a difference a year makes, indeed. Thank you, Glazers, for investing in the squad.
Given time to *gel* and receive a few *hair dryers*, they’ll *do* just fine. Wayne, getting your spot back’ll be *hairy* mate. Okay, okay, I’ll cut it out
Fergie’s quotes in United review were obviously about Rooney, or Nani. Maybe both! Like with Ronaldo, when a player doesn’t want to play for United anymore, I say sell them. Not really fussed what they’ve done for the club in the past either. The club is bigger than any one individual.
modric coast madrid 40 m€
spurs have 15m£ bid rejected by fulham for dembele
I don’t think Rooney is going anywhere, I no longer have the respect I had for him before and I am glad we have now got players that will make Rooney realise he will have to try harder. But on his day Rooney is unstoppable. I think both Rooney and Nani have to get their act together and the competition is brilliant to see. Look at Real Madrid where players could walk into any team their is competition for all places which was lacking at United. This will keep our players on their toes.
@wayne
Hi mate. No denying that he went to a few night clubs during his time off. But that doesn’t mean that he was “eating, smoking and drinking himself silly” during the summer. Rooney is under the microscope more than other players and I am pretty sure most of them attend parties during their vacation. But they also know their boundaries. I believe Balotelli is also famous for partying, but I didn’t see him short on fitness yesterday. I don’t know why he was poor at Everton, but if he spent his vacation in such a wasteful manner, there’s no way Fergie would have started him at Everton. Just like he didn’t start him against Wigan last December after he went partying with Evans and Gibson.
I do wish Rooney starts hanging out with better company though. And I am not talking the women he was spotted with in Vegas..
The striker who will learn to read Kagawa magic passes, will benefit alot. Rooney didn’t during the first game. Maybe we should try out Chicha nxt game?
You can’t tell anything about these kind of a gash, although its more than 6 inches deep. Remember Nani’s gash a couple of years ago at Anfield? It was feared that he would be out for more than 2 weeks. But he was back within a week. The same goes for Wayne, he could be up and running under 3 weeks. And once he scores he’ll be back to his brilliant best. Fimgers crossed!
Selling rooney is the craziest thing we could do.. We’ll realise what we dont have when he is out in the coming month.
Eric keane with Rvp and Kagawa don’t think the team will miss him mate,as 50 shades pointed out Kagawa looks the real deal and is set to excel in the number 10 role
Nani’s injury is different with Rooney. Nani got caught at the shin area, where there is not much of skin movement. Whereas Rooney has it at his thigh, where the skin constantly stretches, so he has to wait for the cut to clear up completely before he can do any work at all
Wayne – i think we’ll be fine too.. But with rooney around it adds to our attack.. Imagine being the opposition, 2-1 down at OT and still in with a real chance at 60 mins.. At this stage if you see rooney replace any member of united with kagawa and RVP still on the pitch.. The psychological advantage itself will crush our opponents..
Wayne’s like the genius with the terrible attitude that you get to see in school. In my experience they always come around when needed
Rooney offers alot from a defensive aspect has well has an offensive one.
@Jeet: Some people are over reacting. Just seen a thread on RedCafe ‘ Hazard is better then Rooney” .
Everyone’s right to express ideas and thots. But if the guy responsible for that thread understood football, that thread wud be void.
2 different types of footballers. Comparing to Shinji is about right.
Fergie’s comments about players falling out of love with the club, he wud show them the way out, is not refering to Rooney.
U have the 3 musketeers(ravel,pogba,fryers). Then theres Berba, Nani with contract issues,Macheda and the general warning to the team as a whole.
He emphasised on players joining United cos there want to play for this club and not money bags shitty,chelski or psg.
So we shud know who he is generally refering to.
Eric keane yeah his attitude away from the pitch drives me mad,it’s like he still thinks he’s at school and has a problem maturing.Having now seen Kagawa be interesting to see how Sir Alex will accommodate
Rooney,Rvp and Kagawa in the same line up
Rooney won’t be happy about not getting game time Kagawa looks to good to have a secondary role and Utd didn’t fork out all the money on Rvp to have him sat on the bench
Wow So now there is talk of selling rooney. Seriously there are some crazy fucks here. Rooney is still a top class player combine him with RVP we will can witness something deadly. Both rooney and nani will not be sold atleast not in this season.
Let us build the squad and not spoil it.
Ash just what’s been talked about in some newspapers doesn’t make us crazy fucks
Before you lot start selling off our star players, have a think on what happened to Cleverley in his first year with us let alone Evans, Smalling, Hargo. Injuries happen and on way of predicting. Sir Alex buys a particular type of player. One that is good with both feet and versatile. Take Carrick at CB and Berbatov as his back up.
We will need the entire squad this year and make no mistake.
Also it’s a fact Utd’s two biggest summer signings place in Rooney’s positions
Wayne
I don’t have problem if there is a rumour spread in paper but when I see people supporting those rumours thats when there is a problem. Yeah I said crazy fuck because there are some acting like that.
Did we want rooney to be sold before RVP was signed? Ans- NO
Did we want rooney to be sold before the season begun? Ans-NO
One bad game and people want him to be sold. Yeah he should play better than the others because of the wages he earns but he is also human , he can have odd pathetic games.
I am sick and tired of people saying let us sell Nani, Let us sell Rooney , Let us sell Ando blah blah blah. Rooney is a world class striker but not on the level of messi or ronaldo. SO if we expect rooney to play like those two then we are fooling ourselves. I have also lost a lot of love for rooney after that ambition gate saga but we have to move on. He did prove his worth last season and he will continue to prove it.
I will again say ;let us build the squad and not spoil it by selling players like rooney or nani.
AlphaRS @ 11:26: “Also has anyone noticed the high number of young players SAF has signed over the past number of years. Could be attributed to the clubs transfer policy but could it mean SAF is on his way out in a few years and is leaving a good mix for the next manager?”
When Sir Matt handed over the reins to Frank WhatEverHisNameWas, the squad was already past its 1966/68 peak. My understanding is that SAF wants to avoid that mistake and has had a longstanding policy of replenishing the squad/evolving its personnel and tactics so that the next guy – OGS ? or PepGuardiola ?? – is able to hit the ground running with a team brimming with talent.
In the next twelve months, SirRyanGiggs and TheGingerNinja will be retired with all the accolades that their legendary exploits deserve; can Rio be far behind ? So, SAF’s successor will get a squad that has the likes of DDG, the DaSilva twins, BigManSmalling, MrJones, CaptainVidic, Jonny Evans, YoungTom, Anderson, Angelo Henriquez, DannyTheLad, Chicharito, and KagawBunga all on the up-side of their careers with TheWayneBoy, RVP, AV7, Nani, NinjaEvra, CaptainVidic, Michael Carrick and even Ashley Young in their prime years. As well, the pipeline of talent is far from running dry – the Keane twins, Nick Powell, Davide Petrucci, RyanTunnicliffe and Jesse Lingard are the next wave with kids like Daehli and Nick Barmby following behind them. AND those are just the guys I’ve remembered !
Having presided over the #1 sports club/team in the world for over half a century – 20 years at the peak – I’d imagine that SAF has thought long-and-hard about how his legendary status would be tarnished by leaving the cupboard bare for his successor. The optimist in me thinks that he’s been working on that.
WillieRedNut @ 12:16: ” it will be proved, we really robbed Dortmund for Kagawa.”
I’m not sure that “robbed” is the right way of arguing the toss on that. Dortmund got KagawaBunga from his “serieB” Japanese team for like 350,000 Euros, won two championships, and then sold him on for enough do$h to fund the acquisition of Marcus Reus, who is generally regarded as one of Germany’s rising stars (along with Mario Gotze, his team-mate). So, Dortmund actually did very well by the deal – and, besides, KagawaBunga wanted a bigger challenge and, no doubt, told Dortmund’s manager that he had enough of the sauerkraut.
I do note that it’s taken two games to shut up “selling shirts” brigade !
Rooney is the best striker in the world at the moment..He got the technique,the energy,and the determination;the quality of a good striker..No one has these pluses in recent time except may be Ronaldo of Brazil..Rooney need united and united need Rooney..And then Nani..He is one of the best wingers in the world;by far better than Young..
Why Rooney is hanging out with pieces of shit human beings like Chris Brown I just don’t understand.
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i am sure rooney will be our top scorer this seasons
Just something which is getting on my nerve a bit which has been mentioned by a few of the lads here, the continued witch hunt of De Gea, in the first couple of weeks we’ve seen horrifying mistakes from Cech and Reina much more worse than the one by De Gea who was not solely responsible for the goal, yet it’s our young spaniard getting all the negative press, the only reason I can think of for such unjustified critisism is to unsettle a young keeper the ABU media sense is going to be the best in the world, it’s a good think the lad seems laid back and full of confidence!
And the credit must go to Sir Alex for identifying him and showing absolute trust in the young man’s ability!
Finally I would love Dembele to sign for us but if Sir Alex doesn’s see him as a United player than I trust his judgment.
Just something which is getting on my nerve a bit which has been mentioned by a few of the lads here, the continued witch hunt of De Gea, in the first couple of weeks we’ve seen horrifying mistakes from Cech and Reina much more worse than the one by De Gea who was not solely responsible for the goal, yet it’s our young spaniard getting all the negative press, the only reason I can think of for such unjustified critisism is to unsettle a young keeper the ABU media sense is going to be the best in the world, it’s a good think the lad seems laid back and full of confidence!
And the credit must go to Sir Alex for identifying him and showing absolute trust in the young man’s ability!
Finally I would love Dembele to sign for us but if Sir Alex doesn’s see him as a United player then I trust his judgment.
I still think Hazard is worth the money Chelsea spent and he is better than Kagawa. Kagawa is good but Hazard is rated highly. In fact even Zinedine Zidane is a huge admirer of Hazard. That speaks volumes about him.
The problem with Rooney is he is far too inconsistent and is not clinical.
GGMU!
Ref for Southampton is Mike Dean:
Southampton v Manchester United (4pm Sunday, Sept2),
Ref: M Dean (4Yellow in 2 games) Mike had the second highest number of yellows last year 148, and 8 reds
Assistants: Collin Brooks
4th Official: Halsey
@hamzah, it gets right on my tits mate. Everything a united player does wrong is magnified and blown out of proportion in the media. If joe hart was to make that mistake you wouldn’t hear another thing about it but because its ddg and he plays for united everyone jumps the gun and suddenly he’s a dodgy keeper. Haven’t heard anyone talk about the numerous excellent saves he made in the everton and fulham games. Just got to ignore papers and media, all hate united and it will never change
Fuck off glory glory man u you little cunt. United win and city draw and suddenly your a united fan again. Piece of worthless shit. Crawl back in your test tube
Rooney is nothing more than a talent. World class ability, but his inconsistent form shows that he cant control that ability like another player of his age should/would. A lot of that is also due to the fact his confidence is very fragile, at least it appears so. But Hes not turned out as good as he should have been (ultra-critical), he doesnt take a man on anymore when we know he has the flair to do it. I dont think hes motivated to improve either, I cant criticise him for that as he cant change his emotions. I think Rooneys got a point to prove when he gets back, cause Fergie wont care about dropping him now RvPs here, I presume.
Costas – that is what rooney wanted, world class players in the side, he just had a bad injuy, and PPL are making a far bigger deal than it is. No way should the club sell Rooney in his prime, we have invested allot into rooney. And RVP has only just arrived, we do not know if he can go through the whole season and stay fit most of the season. RVP as just arrived, we got to wait and see how he gets on. No question the kagwa signing has shifted our reliance on rooney, and his ability to play in the hole effectively. But for me, rooney is still going to be key to united, as he still has 3 years over RVP, and we do not know what shape RVP may be in, in the next few years as he is 29
Denton – If anyone thought Kagawa’s signing was to sell shirts is a moron. I think time will favour United on the fee…
David De Gea a great shot stopper, but hes still a child when it comes to balls in the box, he doesnt claim balls enough and when he does he punches away when he should probably catch. The problem is, he doesnt have a strong build, so how much can he do? He doesnt look naturally strong enough to push defenders out the way.I would love to be proved wrong.
@Dan-young, i have been a MAN U supported all my life. For 3 years I have been rooting for them. Please keep your comments focused on the topic of forum. Don’t waste readers time with your worthless and biased comments.
We are a big MAN U family!
Urgghh … You are annoying Glory Glory !
@Glory glory
With all due respect Ur talking out of ur arse zidane has said that because he’s french kagawa is class and he’s ours fuck players that play for the rent boys and will u please change ur name calling us ‘man u’ is insulting u might as well go the whole hog and put “munichs” on their as well! This is a blog for “united” not rent boys,rat munchers or berties.
Willie
Was reading a match report earlier, Kagawa shirts sold out in the megastore by midday.
WillieRedNut – no idea why kagwa had to prove himself, when his stats said it all.
@keano – no sense arguing with fools. Stupid ass comment. Zidane is french, Hazard is belgian and you think Zidane is biased? why cause you think Zidane has homo feelings for hazard now?
dumbass manu supporter.
Are you some kind of moron?
@ glory glory
He played in france but anyway but anyway the main point is ur a cunt!
GLory gLOry MAN U …. you fucking cunt ….how many more times do you need to telling to change your username ….fucking maggot…no more excuses
Willie… i must be a moron then….. thought Kagagoogoo was shirtselling exercise at first…..
little fucker soon proved me wrong..
Southampton havn’t managed to take a point off us since 2003 at St Mary’s. Since 2003, The Reds are 6-0 v the Saints in all competitions. Long may it continue.
United have played Southampton 110 times overall, making Sunday the 111th meeting of the clubs in competitive matches
Of these, 26 matches have been it the EPL. 19 wins : 5 losses : 2 draws.
44 were in division 1.
Most recent loss: 1-0 los at St Mary’s on Sunday August 31, 2003
Worse loss in the EPL era 6-3 at The Dell on Saturday Oct 26, 1996
GLory gLOry MAN U …havent you learnt anything in the last 3 years you have supposedly folloewd UTD …you sad sad wanker…nothing you will say can excuse your ignorance…just change the fucking username
to be honest, cant wait for ferdy and johnny fuckin evans to be back.
Colbert …this GLory gLOry MAN U cunt even said the other day that Munich was one of those things and to get over it….. cunt of the highest order
Glory glory man u
You should wait a few months before making such a bold statement. Kagawa has had great start to his United career. It’s too early to judge who is best. A person with such a ridiculous user name who supports both United and City doesn’t need any help looking like a dickhead.
Glory glory, you are a moron, why don’t you wank while looking at Zidanes photo, you piece of shit made from dilute cum.
AUGUST 24, 2012 AT 20:40
GLory gLOry MAN U says:
so what muncih air disaster happened decades ago. People die all the time, whats the big deal….so now any word with MANU in it should not be used?
true manchester united supporters don’t say ‘man yoo’ its united or man united
Exactly my point.
@Tony bee
he is not our supporter see his last line he is telling’dumbass manu supporter’
Eny body think maybe it wouldn’t be so bad if rooney went….I know wot thinking (shut the fuck up) but over the years just as big if not bigger players av come an gone but, united always find a new man to take the crown,……Rooney is the engine,an god knows the boy can play but,50mill to buy a solid centre mid,an pick up where Rooney left off,not to score but to drive united fowerd…
@ Glory Glory Man U
You’re not fooling anyone , we all know that you are Chelski supporter so don’t waste your time and piss of back to the Chelski blog …
By the way Hazard is diving shit cunt just like you and United dodge a bullet not signing him and signing Kagawa.
That idiot is 911. Ignore him guys.
It may not mean anything for some but a lot of United supporters take offense in the term manu, as for Zidane’s admiration for Hazard, it means very little as I’m sure many former players admire up and coming potential stars and not all of them make it!
Plus I remember some former player stating that Kagawa was Barca material.
As for Hazard being better than Kagawa you just have to look at the teams Chelsea played and the teams we played, Everton away is tough for any team and Fulham are no push overs, besides Hazard was ordinary when he came up against England and then again against City, anyway its quite premature to compare them, we’re only 3 weeks in the new season!
Im well gutted that Rooneys out. The lad might not be playing to his best at the min but he is still affective. Sometimes its not always his fault that he has bad games. If our Midfield gets out muscled then our attack gets affected. He has been spending most time pulling back just because he wants the ball, which proves his desire and determination. We all know what Wayne is like, he hates missing games and will be hungrier than ever when he returns. And if he clicks with RVP then its going to be an exciting time at United.
@ Hamzah
Ignore the guy , he isn’t even a Man United supporter , he is a Chelski supporter ,just came here to stir shit about United.
I love Kagawa, the fact hes from Japan, shagging a porn star and will sell shit loads of utd shirts is just a bonus. He is a fantastic player already. park developed at utd, his work rate was his biggest asset, but kagawa has control, pace, passing ability and vision. He also scores goals!
oooooooohhhhhhhh aaaaaaaaaaa kagawa!
@ Vidic
He certainly come across like a Chelsea supporter, but if he says he’s a United fan then we have to take his word for it, if he is otherwise then that speaks volumes about a person who behaves in such a manner, anyway just wanted to point a few things out mate
DreadedRed
Let’s see? I wrote that some of the more interesting characters have left. I’m not implying anything about the people that are here I’m talking about the people that don’t feature here as often. And I clearly said we have twats here going first and second so that was obviously pointed their way, dunno where you think you’re coming from trying to have a go at me.
You’re telling me this isn’t an attack but its strangely sounded like one, so let me tell you something, if you have something to say, come out with it, don’t give me this bullshit “I’m not attacking you”.
Ffs last 4-5 days I keep coming back here and all I see is the same dumb ass trolls either claming Rooney is shit/fat/ugly/bonkers or we need to buy Fellaini/Dembele, whatever opposition we face, or funnily yet whatever twats these people put on their Fifa Teams.
You’re saying traffic is up? I disagree, also I prefer quality over quantity.
WillieRedNut @ 18:28: “If anyone thought Kagawa’s signing was to sell shirts is a moron. I think time will favour United on the fee”
I agree with you on both counts.
Anyone who watched Dortmund over the last two years knows that this kid is a terrific player (more similar to Iniesta than Hazard).
I am a Man U supporter. I understand majority of MAN U fans take offense when the term is used. People, we need to evolve. Majority of fans have no iota of relation with the air disaster. It is more to do with herd mentality. Even Stock ticker has MANU listed, why no one has pointed to that? ie the club authorities do not get paranoid with the term.
Grow up!
It happened decades ago, lets move on and not be stuck in that era! We have to shun the shackles and become modern, thinking and evolved!
Denton Davey – it seems quiet racist from other idiots, if he is from japan by anyone’s small narrow mind he must be crap. Say by some chance united did decide to sell rooney, kagwa is the perfect replacement to play the n 10 role
Denton.
Too true. Also I can’t understand why the incessant comparisons with Park. What, just because they’re asian they have to be a similar player? Fuckinn pissabout. One thing though for sure, both Kagawa and Park are class acts. Technically Kagawa is obviously miles ahead of Park but their attitude and humility is unquestionable.
Do feel a tinge of regret every time I see Hazard in the bitter blue kit though not gonna lie. Imagine the two of Hazard and Kagawa playing together. Pure destruction imo
kgawa is far better than hazard
kagawa is more complet player than hazard,hazard is a cunt who love himself and his own glory while kagawa is good person also off the pitch
he is the best playmaker in the world, i think that he is better then ozil or snidjer
One thing from the past 2 matches, United is lacking a physical presence in the midfield… ala feillani, dembele and Yaya Toure….. sigh….
Claps and HI-5′s to the guys trying to maintain the quality of the blog’s comments sections, I admire your persistence. I think the word cunt is beginning to lose meaning with them
gory gory man puke – You’re telling people to evolve……maybe you should grow up? You don’t seem to be aware of your surroundings. That means you’re a wum, or an idiot! I’ll let the lads on RoM decide which box you should be attached too…
@ clint
I think that they see the word CUNT as a good thing.
I would like to ask a question of you romers.
If you could have any team fighting for the title against us, who and why?
I would love it to be liverpool again, as long as we win it!. the banter with the dippers is always a little bit more fun.
kagawa is the buy of the summer and he is world class
in 2 matches he became one of my favorite player and will only get better
i don t know how gill and fergie convinced dortmund to let him go for 12m? £
@50 Shades of WillieRedNut
Your post reflects your acumen. Since you don’t have any logical argument to my previous post, you start making it personal. Dumbass, sure your brain is full of nuts…
iced earth @ 21-:41: “kgawa is far better than hazard
kagawa is more complet player than hazard,hazard is a cunt who love himself and his own glory while kagawa is good person also off the pitch
he is the best playmaker in the world, i think that he is better then ozil or snigger”
Slow down. KagawaBunga has only played two meaningful matches for UTD – it’s a bit soon to put him above Iniesta or WeeWesley or Mesut Ozul or Mario Gotze. But, he certainly belongs in that company.
Hazard is a very different player – very fast but not so “technical”. I’ve seen about half of the matches played by CSKALondon – bits and pieces rather than any complete game – and my impression is that speed is his greatest asset. He’s also got very good ball-skills but it’s not yet certain how good a team-mate he is. Again, the sample-size is very small.
With both of these guys, it’s “too-soon-to-tell”. What isn’t premature, however, is a recognition that UTD got what they needed in KagawaBunga – he really does seem to bring out a higher level of skill from his team-mates. And that’s a bloody good thing.
Idiot…gory from the day the irish played an Newton Heath were born…to Munich, its called being dedicated,to no your history about a team you love,you say majority reds take offence, no every real Manchester united fan takes offence….do us all a favour,av herd bitters need some real fans go support them….utter fucking cunt
Willie ..he is a cunt of the highest order no amount of justification to his argument whatsoever
a troll to be forever ignored….fuck him
izzy @ 20:45: “One thing from the past 2 matches, United is lacking a physical presence in the midfield… ala feillani, dembele and Yaya Toure….. sigh….”
Sigh all you want – but try to pay attention to how SAF is setting up this year’s team (and, for that matter, last year’s team before the injuries disrupted his plan). No “defensive destroyer” – i.e., like Barcelona who rely on Biscuits to shield the central defenders and expect the other forwards to harry, harass, and surround whoever has the ball so that they give it back quickly. Just the way that Bilbao did against TheLads last year in the CL qualifiers, to great effect.
The game has evolved – speed is now at a premium, in both attack and defence. Indeed, to a great extent, attack is now the first line of defence.
By the way, if Marouane Fellaini was in the red shirt last Monday, he would have been sent off for elbow-charging DDG in the 15tth minute. The guy is big, strong, awkward and a booking-waiting-to-happen. He fits in well with a muscular team like Moyes’ Everton but that is decidedly NOT the style that SAF thinks is going to be successful in England AND Europe.
August 27, 2012 at 18:32
GLory gLOry MAN U says:
@Dan-young, i have been a MAN U supported all my life. For 3 years I have been rooting for them.
So what your pretty much saying here is that you’re only 3 years old? Makes sense because you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. Do everyone here a favour and piss off and take 911,sara and all you’re other split personalities with you and maybe between the lot of ye, ye can try and fill some of those empty seats over at the shitty-had.
Denton davey….love Kagwaa bunga..haha
Denton – you couldn’t have made it any clearer. The manager is evolving and so is the team he’s building.
utd_fc
You said that the “more interesting characters” have left.
I asked if therefore you are a ‘”less interesting character” ?
You said “we are left with twats”
I asked if you are “one of the twats”
How is that a personal attack?
It isn’t.
You now say “if you have something to say, come out with it, don’t give me this bullshit.”
I did have something to say, and I came out with it.
You declare it to be bullshit, and instruct me not to post it.
Make up your mind. Do you insist that I say what I have to, or do you insist that I don’t?
Actually, you have no right to tell me what to post.
I will post my views, and you may comment on them or ask for clarification.
Similarly, you will post your views, and I may comment on them or ask for clarification.
With regard to the traffic, I keep a close eye on the traffic figures on RoM, and always have.
You can disagree if you like, but you are guessing, whereas I am using actual figures.
What confusing about this blog,is how ppl react to ppl’s opinions……an that’s all they are,all reds av a right to talk about what they think about there team…(apart from gory gory) al still be at old Trafford no matter wot,an when SAF goes it will brake my heart….the mans second to Ma dad as being some one to luck up to….forever Red till am dead
@mufc4life
very very joky joky.
I’m not a regular poster on here, but I like many others I’m sure do read this blog ritually, it provides great insight and opinion on United. I don’t think I’m speaking for myself when I say CAN WE PLEASE STICK TO THE FUCKING FOOTBALL??!?!?!! I’m sick to death of all the twats on here taking up bandwidth with their pathetic bitching and trolling and it is ruining the blog for every other Tom dick and Harry that comes on here to discuss UNITED. Not to see some prepubescent half wits ripping ten kinds of digital shit out of one another. If you have nothing valid to contribute, fuck off! It is simple, do you have nothing better to do with your time??? This is a football blog, for sensible, civil, fun discussion; not twitter!! I’ve got nothing wrong with guys having banter with one another, but FFS keep it football related you cunts.
Just watched Saturday’s game again and by Jesus that Rafael’s one hell of a footballer. Can’t say enough about what he offers this club. I’d love nothing more than to see him go on a long run of games. I won’t for a second slate Smalling or Jones (or even TV7) as a RB but he is 1st fucking choice, hands down, don’t care how tall the opposition are.
Love watching him play football
Glory fuckhead,if you had any respect for the club you supposedly support and the fallen heroes of yesteryear then lose the Man U,might think you’re being clever by pissing people off.
In reality just a sad attention seeking cunt
Denton Davey – if that is the case, joe allen would have fit the bill perfect. I still think variety is always needed, if the boss does think evolving is the case, then the wingplay system must go really, because when you look at barca they play with all central players in their engine room. With messi and sanchez leading the attack. To complete the evolution, then a diamond midfield should be introduced, and get the width from the fullbacks
@ SimonH
You’re not alone mate. Fwiw, best way to rid a troll is ignore the fuck out of them. Or, in Tevez’s case, tell him the kettle’s on.
DreadedRed
Do you not see the flaw in your logic here? By commenting on the people that have left, there is no link to the people that are still here. There could be a fuck load of people with interesting views here and then again that might not be the case. I’ve tried explaining this to you already, but you’re too busy trying to paint a different picture, and trying to use my words against me. Which is all well and good if you actually had anything to use, but you don’t. I’m not going to bother responding to you again, so i suggest you listen up well. Quoting three well chosen words out of a whole paragraph doesn’t make you smart, it makes you the same as those idiotic journos from the daily fail, and the sun etc. Only difference is those are paid cunt journo’s while your pockets aren’t being lined for it. And since when is your word, that you keep a close eye on traffic figures become actual figures? Like I said, i prefer quality over quantity, regardless though, it’s both quality and quantity that have gone down. Altho with fuckwits like you posting here I’m not surprised.
Consider this my last post, regarding you.
@ fergie
Interesting point re the formation. Having read up on butner, he is an attacking LB and we all know what rafa can do going forward.
The Da silva is coming on really well…it’s his defending that needs work…on the other side eny one remember Heinz haha a fucking thought He was great.good going fowerd an shit hot defender,put his head on anything
@TonyBee. Just wondering if you know if MG has the blog up and running? With Cyril taking a break and the increase of trolls popping up here every day im running out of enjoyable posts to read. So anyway if you have the web address I’d really be greatful as I’ve been trying to google search it to no luck. Cheers mate.
@jeet 11:42
No spurting or flowing blood was a good sign. Looked like skin, fat layer and muscle were cut. Further up on the mid/inner thigh are major vessels which could result in massive blood loss quickly. It looked like a semi deep “flesh wound”. A combination of puncture and rough incision.
glory glory
every time I see you post on here I fucking cringe because I know some daft comment will surely follow along the lines of support for shitty or the chavs. you fucking retard, if you support United you’d understand the history behind our beautiful club. sure the stock listing has us as that – oh right it’s the glazers who’re on the financial side of things and for one they don’t give two fucks about our history but you as a ‘fan’ should. I haven’t followed this team for thirty years or what because I didn’t have the privilege of living that long yet and knowing about this wonderful club earlier but I do now, and I’ll support this club fiercely from idiots like you who have no right being anyone near something as beautiful, as amazing as Manchester United. so fuck you.
United.
Since when did wing play become the wrong tactics?Not for me it isn’t I like nothing better,great entertainment imo.
agree with parry i love wing play don’t want to see the diamond introduced,imo wing play is the most exciting formation in football
Splurting, puncture and rough incision….thought I was reading a vintage TonyBee cracker on the missus for a second
parryheid – there is nothing wrong with wingplay, but if we are to play with 2 wingers especially in the big games sometimes, a striker must be dropped. That is why kagwa really has changed us tactically for the better, even RVP has given us that flexibility to play the 4231 formation perfectly, as kagwa and RVP are perfect to play that system. But I do feel a diamond formation could be introduced
@Wayne couldn’t agree more with you mate. Glory is just a sad pathetic person with no friends who and is just jealous of United’s success over the years and the way real true United fans get along so well, so he just comes on here looking for attention and trying to annoy people and running United down, hoping that we’ll all end up as sad and pathetic as him and that United will end up as one of those unsuccessful teams full of jealousy and hate and with fake fans who couldnt give two fucks about the club. This isn’t some club ran off billions of pounds from their wealthy owners. We don’t buy our fans or try and buy trophy’s. We build a team on spirit, hard work, loyalty and respect. And those are the things that make this club so successful and that make me proud to be a United fan whether we win, lose or draw. Through the good and bad times we stick by our team and true united fans don’t go and say other teams are better,we don’t admit defeat ever and we will never die. We always believe that we are the best and 9 out of 10 times we prove it, so Glory please piss off as I’ve told you before. You’re not wanted here and I’m sure I speak for a lot more than myself on that one.
Ahh just been on YouTube,to remind me of 1999…when am sad you only need to watch that,…a was on my knees in front of tv prying,an then it happened…who Germans net…then Ma old man said no school for you,an off to Manchester best day of my life,a think Ma voice broke that day haha a fucking love united
Simon H ….GO FUCK YOURSELF …CHEEKY CUNT
ididnotzeeit ….you cheeky fucker as well
@Tony Bee. Cheers mate.
fitb @ 21:38: “the wingplay system must go really, because when you look at barca they play with all central players in their engine room. With messi and sanchez leading the attack. To complete the evolution, then a diamond midfield should be introduced, and get the width from the fullbacks”
Maybe; maybe not. SAF likes width and if it’s provided by “fullbacks” overlapping “wing-backs” then the issue subtly changes since this current squad really doesn’t have a target-man – did you notice that most of the crosses were low ?
This is part-and-parcel of the evolution to a different style of play which features one-touch wall-passing and a kind of give-and-go method of attacking in the box. That’s what Barcelona do with Messi – his close control is just sensational and there’s really no one else who compares but with forwards like Chicharito and RVP as well as DannyTheLad and TheWayneBoy (in addition to the new kid, Angelo Henriques), we can begin to see how the game-plan is moving away from a winger “running down the wing” and squaring the ball into the box for a team-mate to nod in.
About Joe Allen – is he as good as YoungTom ? They are both “the same kind of player” – iniesta-like, if you want a serious comparison.
Slutmonkey @ 21:46: “The Da silva is coming on really well…it’s his defending that needs work…”
Probably; but in the case of Rafael – as with NinjaEvra – it would seem that SAF is “willing” to allow for some defensive weakness in order to maximize attacking skills.
The little tiger was just awesome for the first sixty/seventy minutes on Sunday; Patrice was very good, too.
Having these two guys as full-backs and YoungTom as the second, attacking midfielder (playing behind an attacking-diamond) sure makes UTD’s formation look like my favoured 3-5-2.
I’m interested in the reported comment by SAF concerning goal difference – “that won’t happen again” – and the apparent refusal to sign a defensive destroyer. Can we assume that he thinks that scoring more will account for a larger goal-difference even if the defence isn’t air-tight ?
utd_fc.
You are rude and foolish.
This is probably not my last post regarding you.
I’m stunned every time wingers are deemed surplus by some fans on RoM.
To me, it is the United way.
Sir Alex has banned the club’s young stars from driving flashy sports cars from new sponsors Chevrolet.
United recently signed a multi-million-pound deal with the American car giant, who will become the name on the club’s shirts from the start of the 2014-15 season. As a gesture of goodwill, Chevrolet immediately offered United’s first-team stars a choice of luxury cars and understandably many of the club’s big names plumped for iconic Corvettes.
However, Sir Alex immediately intervened and decreed that no player under the age of 23 – no matter their standing in the team – should be allowed to order a sporty model.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2194469/Manchester-United-ban-players-driving-Chevrolet-sports-cars.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
wing play is great if you want to get carved open at the top level. It’s entertaining but for who? the opposition who will run united ragged and dominate the ball?. You have to evolve with the times, the dinosaur days of a long punt down the wing for a little scoundrel to chase and whip in is leaving the game, you have to keep the ball. After saying all that, you always need width in games and united’s wing men will play their part.
Dr Dread fucking A you go man.
Utd seemed to have done ok playing wingers so far,why all of a sudden would the team start getting ‘carved’ open,narrow football is shit.
Glory fuckhead young ones die as well,you’re just a rude ignorant disgusting cunt,not funny,not clever,rude,ignorant,disgusting piece of shit
Taking pleasure from winding up fans in the most vile manner, cunts like you is the reason violence still exists in football
Hello RoM some interesting stuff.
can we get this GGMU fucker off this blog already? sick of these MANU labels as it is
Some people just need a punch upside the head.
Ban. Him. Already.
When Switzerland go’s to war STR should listen. Ban please.
@Zubbie
I am Swiss? My affection for Toblerone is revealed then?
Click on my red name link for some late night thrills
Zibbie ! Whats up Homie long time no type between us
United will always have wingers…or at least one starting per game, as long SAF is about. Just imagine how weak we would be without Valencia,Nani,Young.
We’d look like fucking Italy with a 4 man central midfield and 2 strikers Yuck !
If that Daily Mail report on SAF banning the kids from getting Corvettes is to be believed, then I wonder what Ando chose. Let’s hope it’s a Volt.
^ Ando being 24, so able to chose the sporty model that he will likely crash.
Cheers InZubhino
I think pure wing play is being phased out. As people have said, it can get predictable and leave you overrun in the middle.
Start of last season, we were going towards something a bit more dynamic. More fluid, more 1 and 2 touch, more through the middle. The injuries (especially to Cleverley), plus the great form of Valencia (as great as he is, he restricts our play IMO) meant we went back to what we know best. But I’m really glad that Fergie’s trying to move us to a quicker possession based game. Still need width – but that comes from the full backs.
As for Rooney, I wrote about it on my blog if anyone wants to check it out (shameless plug!). He needs a kick up the backside, and he’ll get it because we now have players that can play BOTH his roles (number 9/number 10) as good as him….or maybe even better than him.
Two months out for a muscle cut to the bone is not unreasonable. He was cut unevenly with dirty studs, he will need shitloads of antibiotics on top of the surgery he had to clean the wound out. The surgery was to clean the would and place internal stitches that dissolve in it to sow muscle together and then external stitches sow the skin together. The muscle in the thigh is fucking huge and strong as hell particularly in a footballer, it would not take alot to tear it apart with clumsy movement and if it gets infected they have to open it and try to heal it from inside out (placing wet gauze over puss to pull out the infection) and that could take ages.
Sucks. Rooney’s first touch has been shit for a while and his dribbling worse than a babys. But, his shooting has steadily improved, he is the best header of the ball we have, Pea a close second. Rooney is the best IMO in getting on the end of crosses with his head when fit. RVP is sublime and he has wonderful feel but he is not as good at heading in goals as Rooney is. Also once Rooney builds and understanding with a player he takes it up a level – Giggs, Valencia, Pea, Welbeck. But he has not had a consistent attack to really gel with since the days of Ronaldo, Tevez/Giggs and Rooney. He is a player who is best in a settled team.
I was watching some of Rooney’s old clips back and I can’t quite figure out where his first touch and dribbling and beating a man skills went. Maybe his stint in MF has done him no favours. I think basically he has somehow lost a yard of pace which he is a bit young for and should recover if he gets super fit, maybe Bolt can give him a hand as unlike some of our other players, if he can play with the ball at his feet he has the strength to hold off players and when he cannot run with the ball we lose that. His first touch has also changed, from being able to look like the ball was glued to his feet he kicks it forward to often, maybe he has too much muscle on him that can slow some players down, but despite his first touch being poor presently, he can still pick a pass and I respect the way he works for the team. That said, he is not a MF and when he hangs back to much he limits our ability to go forward. He is much better running off the last defender and timing a run than Pea, MF is not where he should be.
An interchanging front line (think Giggs, Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez) of RVP, Kagwa, Rooney with Nani coming in would for me be an exciting attack. As they play together they will position around each other better.
Re Rooney coming on -v- Fulham made sense. Kagwa was beginning to tire a little and Rooney needs minutes and he is more defensive and able to help see the game out from that point of view while also being able to nick a goal and link the attack.
For me Kagwa is the player I am excited about having, RVP is cream on the cake. Hazard is also a beautiful player, I can see why SAF wanted him, sublime skills but he does not have the shooting ability Kagwa has and I doubt he will contribute as many goals from MF.
I am not worried about Pea and Welbeck chances they will get chances and hopefully we get a good run in the cups. I think Pea in particular will be well served by Kagwa, the timing of runs to Pea and his playing off the shoulder of the last defender need to be improved and I think only Scholes (who plays further back now) and Kagwa can really pass in the way that Pea would thrive off and that enables him to use his pace without getting offside.
Nani I think from the signs, is done at United unless something changes. SAF is either bitch slapping him or he is on his way out. I love Nani, but he has only shown potential in flashes and for half seasons at United, if he stays, this season will be a big test for him. Young I just don’t see as a United winger – replacement for Giggs? Not by a long shot. His link up play with Evra is also poor and Evra is actually better going forward than he is. At 27, can’t see too much more from him. If Nani goes, I expect a nifty LW to come in.
RVP and
Each to their own i guess i find the Italian style of football boring and it’s been Chelsea’s problem for years imo
working again guys, home now, food cooked.
Also SAF is not trying to set United up like Barca, he is more going back to the Ronaldo days and pre set up where we were lethal off wings and through the middle. Kagwa – see Scholes in youth goal scoring attacking mid.
SAF knows we need to adapt to beat teams like Barca but no way in hell is he trying to make us into tika taka boredom. Take Messi out of Barca and the rest of the team moves down a notch, he is a one man phenomenon and that is not down to style of play.
Also, I do think Fletcher – love him to bits and wish it wasn’t so – needs to be replaced. SAF had him starting games when fit for a reason, Carrick just does not have that pace and hard tacking to do what Fletcher did, he is the guy who intercepts and accepts and distributes. Also in some games you need a Fletch/Keano in others a Carrick. We need that kind of option in the squad, particularly against physical teams like Everton and right now it is missing.
Thanks for deleting that horrific comment StR.
Papii the full figured one in your angles wow, wow…
Why do i keep reading Rooney being out for 2 months.. it’s an impact injury, how can he be out for that long?
DreadedRed
what comment, from that glory cunt?
tom c
Yes indeed. His horrific reference to Munich.
Glory Glory Man U is Cobham Hood prick, chelscum fan who post on here before.
Just take a look their post u’ll notice the similarity…
People get carried away with kagawa. Yes he’s an outstanding talent, a playmaking technician and has dazzled already but this is also his first season in the premier league, too much pressure can’t be piled upon him. For me, Rooney is still an integral part of the squad, he’s still a match winning talisman and will come back hungrier than ever. Perhaps he got a little too comfortable and needed a kick up the backside but that’s all it will be.
Yepp, especially when you consider his physique, plus the fact he’s used to a winter break, I expect him to be taken out of the firing line at times.
NBI red onion @ 00:34: “Also SAF is not trying to set United up like Barca, he is more going back to the Ronaldo days and pre set up where we were lethal off wings and through the middle”
Maybe not exactly like Barcelona but similar – with Michael Carrick in the BiscuitsRole and YoungTom in the XaviRole and KagawaBunga in the IniestaRole. Of course, Barcelona have Messi and, in my opinion, he is far and away the most accomplished dribbler/shooter in footie today (yeah, I know, he’s short and doesn’t jump like CR7 or have the power of CR7 but his shoting-accuracy is exceptional).
Neither RVP nor TheWayneBoy have the physical speed/power mix that CR7 has – or had when he played for MUFC. So, with no Messi and no CR7, I don’t see that this lot will be able to recreate the “Ronaldo days” of whirligig, interchanging-attacking. It will have a life of its own – and it won’t be half-bad, either !
There’s another report that Zenit St Petersburg are after Nani for 25 million quid – sorry, I lost the link – but I’d be very surprised if this were true UNLESS SAF’s plan is to seriously get away from UTD’s traditional wing-play. Judging from the way the attacks worked in the first two matches of this season, that seems very unlikely; what’s more likely is that the plan will be to use BOTH full-backs (Evra and Rafael) AND wingers. Like I wrote earlier, the plan-of-attack sure looked a lot like a 3-5-2 – except that it was more like a 2-6-2 (or 2-6-1-1 [ !] ) since Michael Carrick was playing in defence and neither YoungTom nor Anderson can be even-remotely considered as a “shielding” player.
Denton Davey – its hard to go back to the ronaldo days, when we do not have that player like ronaldo who could power his way on the right and score 30 goals a season. I still do not think the club as identified an identity way of playing, is it one touch? is it all out attack, is it the 90′s, the 07 side, we are not quiet sure yet. I do not think wingplay should totally go, but certain situations I do feel the wingplay may have to be sacrificed, if we try and play 2 upfront in the big games. And play more narrow, just to make us more compact and better organized
wow, looking at Rooney’s photo on top of this article, he looks like he is asleep…..never seen a person look so peaceful while playing football.
Cmon SAF, chevrolet is corvette and camaro, what else do you want them to drive? A malibu or a suburban?
I think united fans need to open their eyes and realize that our creativity is suspect. I like Shinji, because he can unlock the defense, but when it comes to out wing play, I think we are a long way away from the threat we once were.
I do not understand why fans criticize Nani as much as they do. I would like to see Antonio Valencia be played as a left winger several times and see if he can be as effective as he is on the right. Thats the same logic with Nani. When he plays for Portugal consistently on the right, he is a star.
All in all, I think he is our most creative player bar none, but Fergie will never let him realize his potential at United. Move on Nani…
FITB and Denton: good points on all sides. I do believe that Fergie had half a mind to recreate that fluid front three, or at least to have that option in his backpocket. The big missing piece was of course Ronnie. Hence the urgency to bring in a Moura or a Hazard, flexible, ‘narrow’ wingers who can cut in and score, and also have bagloads of skills and tricks. I don’t think we are going to see tHat, at least in this season.
However, what we might see, particularly with Clevs-Ando in midfield and Rafa-TV7 on the right, is Evra staying back, as both central midfielders attack and link up through Kagawa. That’s not bad by any means, and very sensible indeed. Its no coincidence that many noted Evra having a better game, and Young not such a good game against Fulham. With no midfield shield, and no Fletch, you need one fullback to be more defensive, and I’d rather it was Evra than Rafael. However, with Carrick in midfield, you might see BOTH fullbacks joining the attack, and consequently more wingplay, as he’ll shield the defence far better than either of Ando or Tom.
Why would we want to emulate what barca does? Tiki-taka is their signature style as wing-play is ours..
There’s nothing more thrilling in football than watching speedy wingers blazing down the touchline on a fast counter. We should stock to what we know best, radical changes take time to adapt to.. We dont really have the luxury for that..
And if we do want to play more centrally we could use this formation
Ddg
Back four
Carrick ando
Nani/valencia cleverly kagawa
Rvp..
Valencia plays centrally for his country and kagawa and clev can both play out left.. This formation can be quite flexible, in the absence of rooney that is..
Some historical perspective. Fergie said very clearly after 1999, we need to change the way we play in Europe,otherwise we will get found out.
If u remember the early days , players playing out of position,4-5-1 or 4-3-3 ,all the crtiticisms.
It has taken time to succeed ,we have dominated the UCL for the last several years,until last season.
We have one of the most flexible teams around.
Last year the players said we are upping the tempo, Fergie said barca have set the standards.
Ferfie will do it our way , the Manutd way, the slick passing,wingers, exciting swashbuckling football.
Quite clearly we are aiming to play at a faster tempo. May we succeed.
@samuel
‘impact injury’ is putting it very mildly. The gash was about an inch wide and six inches long, and according to some reports bone was visible. He had an op under general anaesthetic. The wound needs to heal properly otherwise it’ll keep opening up. The worry is (and the reason it could be 2 months) that the muscle might’ve been torn as well. In which case that also needs to heal, with possibly rehab needed.
Kanchelskis – that looked more like a graze of skin than affecting as deep as his muscles and i hope it is. Papers tend to be overdramatic and rumours are flying everywhere, we’ll see how long but you don’t want a player of Rooney’s quality out of for 2months, that’s not good at all.
In the Stretford End there was a range of lukewarm concern to general apathy from around 50% of the supporters when Rooney was stretchered off. One nearby stroker even went as far as trying to start a chant of YSB and had earlier screamed ‘murderer’ at Wazza when he put a shot wide. Same guy was also calling for Fergie’s head (i think the phrase he used was “old c**t”) earlier in the game – classy home support or what? Rest assured though, my foul mouthed little friend, the stewards will be given your seat number before the next home game kicks off and your days at OT will be numbered.
Back to Rooney though. He needs to realise that the only reason he is acting out his Entourage fantasies in LA, is because he wears the colours of MUFC. For the ill disciplined, football can be an extremely short career and unless he shapes up and shows some hunger he’ll soon be either forgotten or simply become perennial tabloid fodder. The guy should look at Beckham for some lessons in self motivation and the rest should take care of itself.
@samuel
Completely agree. RVP softens the blow but we can’t start expecting him to carry our forward line so soon. The quicker Rooney’s back the better. He still gives us something unique upfront.
It was certainly a deep cut. Paper speculation of 2 months was based on the possibility of the muscle being torn, but wasn’t substantiated. Whichever way, let’s hope he’s not rushed back only for the wound to reopen (as Smalling was).
Some quotes that imply Rooney’s injury was NOT a ‘graze’ :
ex Daily Telegraph – “a six-inch wound which cut as deep as his thigh bone. Rooney was forced to go under general anaesthetic prior to surgery, which included the stitching of the wound, due to the severity of the injury”
ex The Daily Express – “Rooney had one long, weaving stitch inside his thigh and then another 10 outside to pull the skin together”
ex foxsports – “surgeons had to stitch the muscle in Rooney’s thigh before closing the wound.”
Sports physician, Dr Mike Loosemore – “Any torn muscle takes a while to repair so it had to be sewn up directly. If the muscle has been torn then it could take a minimum of six weeks to heal. Likewise with a cut muscle, as both injuries are treated in the same way. It is a very awkward place to injure yourself, with the tear just above the knee, an area that is constantly moving.”
Digital Sports Group have today launched the PFA Profile of Antonio Valencia:
http://www.football.co.uk/profiles/players/luis_antonio_valencia_38163.shtml
Kanchelskis – exactly. I don’t want mounted pressure placed on kagawa as no matter what people say, Rooney is a proven performer for a longer period in this league. The sooner he’s back, the better. You start to wonder why on earth rodallega was wearing blades under his boots, what happened to studs? really could have done more damage.
Dread – all i see is ‘ifs’ and ‘buts’ in those fox comments and perhaps i’m underplaying the injury but it’s all speculation, we’ll see if four weeks will be the required time. ultimately the manager will deliver the news.
1.) Go to Daily Mail sports page
2.) Go see article Modric completes £33m move…
3.) See picture of the fans that came to greet Modric
4.) See picture below that of Ronaldo’s welcome party
5.) Laugh
Athletic Bilbao were beaten by Atletico Madrid in a 4-0 win in La Liga last night.
Seeing as some of us excitedly chose transfer targets on the back of a single game, I guess that Javi Martínez and co are now crap; and Falcao, Godin and co are all we need to become a real force once again. For a week at least.
Marq – i think it’s unfair to compare Ronaldo (the world best player at that time, a 80million pound signing/most expensive player ever and a renowned superstar) with modric, who is a top player in himself but not quite ronaldo, not many are. Madrid fans are used to superstars joining every year so they won’t be as bothered as any other fan may be, very arrogant bunch (usually, They destroy players’ careers and then dump them)
samuel – united WE stand
You could well be right. I guess not though, as all the media outlets seem to be on the same page with regard to the injury. I certainly hope that your educated guess is right on the money. Rooney is tough, but I worry that his healing time is not helped by his poor cardiovascular state. ( That’s a guess by me, based on his smoking, drinking, and less-than-100% fitness level)
You’d know one game doesn’t make nor break a team/players. I have to admit, there’s a trend that’s been growing recently to buy any lump and put them in the team. We’re bound to face stoke soon, andy wilkinson anyone?
@Samuel
Haha, not comparing at all mate. Just a bored day and the contrast of the 2 pictures stood out
@Marq
Personally I just laughed at point 2 mate. People can bring up the Carroll money all they want. Modric is 27 and with little resale value by the time Madrid are done with him. 33mil is a ridiculous amount. I am really glad we weren’t the ones Levy fucked over this time. It just goes to prove what a steal Kagawa was.
Was doing some (random) digging today and I found this in the attic.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/sep/16/villarreal.manchesterunited
Hmm, United were after a midfield enforcer. What would you know?
Yeah, my comment on one-game-wonders as transfer targets is to be taken with a pinch of salt. It does irritate me when players (like Wilkinson!) become ‘ideal targets’ based on a couple of hours of football. Especially when we know that FERGIE (ha ha!) places a lot of emphasis on personalities gelling, and on general attitude and character.
Dread – i’m speaking more in hope than accuracy. His presence makes the team look stronger, he’s a match winner so can decide any tight game, i hope it’s not that serious and he returns quickly. I know there was a time he was found out to be a smoker and that but surely, the manager would have clamped down on that? his fitness would have been affected throughout his time at the club, the manager won’t accept that. Even if Rooney went on a diet, he still won’t possess a great physique, he’s always going to be a chunky ‘bob the hooligan’ that’s his genes. I think we should accept what he is, he’s worked hard enough to be in the shape that he currently is in.
Dread – especially when Teams/players play their skins out when united turn up. you would get players reincarnating into roberto baggio against united. As you pointed out, it takes time to buy players. You study characters, mentality and ability for a longer period of time. Of course, you can find an exceptional player instantly but generally, the manager tend to follow the latter.
Marq – fair enough. I don’t know if you noticed but luka sounded a bit like a little arnold shwarzeneggar during his unveiling.
samuel – chunky ‘bob the hooligan’ has used his bulk well, and seems to be most “View-From-The-Enemy’ opposition scribes first choice from our squad. Perhaps the fact that Centre-Halves can’t dominate Wayne physically is a big part of that ( in Premiership anyway) Rooney is a big threat. I hope he’s back up-and-running soon.
It does take time to evaluate targets. We no doubt have dossiers on most of the players in Europe (if not all of them) and many others world-wide. When Sir Alex discussed the RVP signing, he said that (paraphrasing) “we never thought we could get him. When we heard that he wasn’t signing at Arsenal, we moved for him straight away”
This tells me that we had already evaluated RVP, despite believing that we would never get an opportunity. It amazes me that fans think that Dembele is below the Gaffer’s radar. I bet that FERGIE has known a lot about him for quite a while, including his temperamental suitability to United. The way some fans see and talk about Sir Alex, it’s a wonder that he’s managed to keep his job all these years.
Every target is a risk. The more likely they are to succeed, the more expensive they are. We try to ensure that new players slot in easily, and it does seem that they gel with the existing squad upon arrival. Yes, our squad is welcoming, but in all walks of life personality clashes in groups of people is the norm. Our careful appraisals bear fruit.
@DreadedRed
Stay clear of the “FERGIE” bug mate. Doesn’t suit you. It’s too goofy.
Just a desperate attempt by some to show they trust in the manager.
Costas – thanks for the warning! I tend to use Fergie, SAF, Sir Alex, the Gaffer, the Boss.
I used FERGIE because I was talking to samuel, but it won’t be the norm for me.
I only capitalise all letters of words I’m emphasising. Sometimes we get comments posted here where the whole comment is capitals. I struggle to read them without going deaf in both eyes.
ex BBC
“Jonny Evans is in the Northern Ireland squad despite not playing for Manchester United so far this season because of an ankle injury. Evans is in line to face Russia on September 7 and Luxembourg four days later at Windsor Park.”
@DreadedRed
Ha, I can definitely relate with the latter part.
Sorry if it came off as a warning. It was more of suggestion. It’s just that this particular use of the word Fergie has become irritating. Not by you of course.
I see silly season is in motion rooneys off again
The sun…united wanting to off load Rooney,but only Shity to offer the full amount of 50mill………please god eny body but them…I know it’s probably a load of shit but just reading it as gave terrible hart burn
The Sun article says City won’t bid until January. By which time he’ll be back in the team and everyone will have forgotten the crap they printed.
Costas, I find it distracting when samuel uses FERGIE several times in one comment. After reading the comment all I can really remember is FERGIE. I’m not a good yardstick, as cell-speak, smileys and ‘rofl’s leave me re-reading comments to find out what I missed as I hypnotically rofled in psychosomatic support.
fuk lols et al
Bloody Feegie + Feeelan
http://richardp1975.wordpress.com/2012/08/24/full-kit-wankers/
Have a laugh at the Scouse Reprobates, what a bunch of full kit wankers they are…..
ex TAOT
‘The Champions League group stage takes place on Thursday (30 August) afternoon.
Starter’s orders for United will be on Tuesday 18 or Wednesday 19 September.’
Seriously, full kit
on grown men.
Wankers doesn’t really cover it.
The guy with the shoes is a classic, loserpools version of national dress.
I’ll be laughing til the weekend.
The boss banning sports cars for the younger players reminds me of the time sir Ryan had all his hamstring niggles. They decided it was down to the different clutch pedals on his motors which he changed every 6 mths at the time.
Costas – Uefa have cracked down on PAOK Salonika with a suspended one-year ban from European competition after a pitch invasion during a Europa League playoff tie against Rapid Vienna last week. Apparently “several skirmishes ensued after dozens of PAOK supporters spilled onto the pitch at the Toumba Stadium in response to having flares thrown at them by Rapid fans.”
“The European soccer body’s control and disciplinary panel have accepted the recommendation of Greece’s sports prosecutor, which also included a punishment of playing three matches behind closed doors and a fine of €150,000. The one-year ban is suspended for three-years.”
#stayonyourseat
It’s just a flesh wound,stitch me up and i’ll play Sunday
Chelsea want 25 million pounds for Daniel Sturridge. And I want to use Angelina Jolie’s tits as pillows.
good morning!!!
Much ado about nothing, where are the indomitable titans of yesteryear?
Splash some water on the wound, give it a rub, and carry on regardless.
The ban on sports cars is problematic. Just going to make them act out in other ways.
I recall Ando (maybe Nani actually) totaling some 250K roadster while off in Portugal for sommat. 2 seater with 2 others in it.
Ban away Sir Alex…. End of the day, lads will be lads! Especially if you keep paying em 50+/week
Great read, Costas and Dr Dread.
Shit happens to all, how it is dealt with defines the person. Wazza has responded in a positive way in the past to adversity. I do think SAF when the fall out of love comment was made was not for Wayne.
Rafa was great! he and Tony have a good feel for each other. Tony covers his ass, when Rio is back. He will clean up Rafas mistakes so he can develop and learn, Still so young!
Kagawa so fucking good.
RVP such a striker, Great shot RVP , well yes, I know!!!!!!!!!!!!!
off topic – apparently zenit want nani for 25mil, really hope we dont sell him, he’s 25 and has a great future at united and although inconsistent is probably the 3rd most talented player in our squad (under wayne and vp), please dont sell fergie!!
Good to see Jonny Evans is in NI’s squad. Boost for club and country.
Hopefully sir alex will not get mad at him
GET IN JONNY!!!
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12098/8027658/Evans-inclusion-boosts-NI
Fuck me 25m pounds?
No, thanks!!
What’s the update on rio, whtsup with him?
Flesh wound!
silly season nearly over
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/portuguese-press-say-manchester-united-could-sign-gaitan-by-the-e
… more ex TAOT
‘United will also find out our opponents in the newly-branded Capital One Cup (League Cup) after the second round matches take place over the next couple of days.’
Great news about jonny.
Hopefully see him in red soon.
What ever is said of Rooney, MUFC is all about the squad. The squad is ready for there chance to say, I am your man.
I can’t believe Berba is still at the club should just let the poor bastard go on a free,i honestly do get why he hasn’t been snapped up for 5mill
Like a little Snow White guy, off to work I go.
Nice one Zibbie!
Wayne,
It might have to do with his wages. Not many clubs will be prepared to pay him the money he’s on at Utd.
Surely fate should reward Dimi with a shock inclusion in our Final-Winning starting line-up on the 25th May at Wembley. Come on Football-gods, play ball!
Overcame Munich disaster
Overcame The Invincibles
Overcame Blue revolution
And
Blue moon rising?
One word,
We going destroy the Blue Moon
Believe GGMU
Laters zibbie, have a great day buddy
Go Rooney!!!
philco hi mate yeah but some of the shit being signed for 10 or 15 mill some club gets a quality striker,whatever anyone thinks of Berba’s time at Utd he’s still a top quality player.I’ve said this before Berba doesn’t rely on speed he could play for another 4 or 5 yrs
@DreadedRed
Heard about the Paok verdict earlier today. I don’t mean to generalize, but when it comes to fans, they are not the sharpest knives in the drawer. They have have a track record of hooliganism among their ranks. Not the first time UEFA have punished the club for incidents like this. They never learn unfortunately. Their lives are in the shitter and their only concern is getting into stupid fights at the stadium.
@wayne
Hi mate. I think a move to Fiorentina is imminent. A report said that maybe Fergie had second thoughts after Rooney’s injury but I doubt that’s the case. Something will happen by deadline day, because I just can’t see any alternative.
Wayne
All true, which is why its a mystery. I’m just beginning to wonder how much he wants to leave.
Still, if he stays then id give him games.
Berba and RVP could be magic together.
Pure class and no tantrums
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/dimitar-berbatov-says-he-and-his-agent-are-working-on-transfers-b
Costas are they any good mate? moving from the prem would be good for me don’t want to watch him play against us,i truly love the guy
fergie is an idiot if he won’t sign dembele
@wayne
Like Marq’s link mentions, there’s interest from Italy. Fiorentina seems to be his most likely destination. What it comes down to is economics. Either the club or he have to settle for less. But the Italian league suits him and hopefully that’s where he’ll end up.
I’m not goin to bite!
Berba’s tweet from that article linked by Marq:
‘Everything is going to be ok, stay calm, but me and my agent, we need to eat too:))..And don’t read to many newspapers, they write whatever they want..:))..’
That ‘full kit wanker’ site is killing me.
Still remember his hat trick against the ‘pool but can’t wait for see him go..
His agent working on a move to fiorentina
minimal:
- of a minimum quantity, negligible
- the repetition of short phrases.
- distinguished by only one feature
This is one time that less is certainly not more.
What amuses about this blog is the pathetic attempts be clever by fools. I mean, when i’m on, i skip most comments that i deem unworthy of reading. It neither bothers me to the point i would have to mention it. When you consider the crap posted on here, i can understand people leaving the blog.
Sources are saying MUFC have accepted a bid for Berbatov from Fiorentina.
Morning/ afternoon all we bought any fucker else yet… Been looking at BBC twitter reports that UTD are being linked with everyone … Every agent on the planet must be praying that their players will be linked to us as it would greatly boost their fees…. Silly season indeed
Anyone think the Nani rumors are true found it odd he wasn’t even on the bench last game
http://footylatest.com/one-last-mega-deal-could-be-done-at-man-utd-before-transfer-window-shuts/31870?
Not everyone can be the smartest kid in class,must be a burden to be so superior
Give him the maximal penalty!!!
Yep, I believe a lot of folks have left the blog due to a condescending hypocritical blabbermouth. I wonder who that is.
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/431492_456644064376551_2143159280_n.jpg?dl=1
Dimitar Berbatov says he and his agent are working on transfers but also on food
Why not mention my name? still seems like your panties have been wet and you have something to say?. All this indirect talk like a little bitchy cunt. It does get boring.
Lots of sources are sourcing all right.
Hope our need for a class backup at CB keeps him around. Berbatov looks really good in Red.
Best line on Twitter
Steffen Jenssen @SteffenJenssen
Jay Spearing £3 mill, Dimitar Berbatov £5 mill – The world of Football has gone mad.
I thought it strange Nani was not on the bench last game. Am I reading too much into that?
I’d be stunned (obviously) if he was sold.
I am like a whistle. Feel free to blow me.
Wayne – mate, can’t tell if you want Nani to stay or notthese days you can never be sure
! Personally, i believe (and hope) that journos are reading a bit too much into it. He’ll be all right. Fergie won’t let his top assist man over the last 3 seasons go so easily. Anyway, I think 25 mil, and the name Zenit is a pisstake if mentioned with Nani in the same sentence.
And I am just playing your game my dear butt hurt idiot. You’ve taken indirect shots at posters in here for a long time. Hurts when someone else does it hey?
@Minimal
Minimal brains you have man.
No way Nani would agree to go to Russia, right?
jeet i don’t want him to go mate just think some posters overrate him.I don’t like the fact he wanted a 40k a week pay hike with two years to run when imo has done nothing to deserve it
He could be so much better which is something that drives me mental
Well said Scott, you’ve managed to make a valid point without being labelled a “hater”. Everybody and their dog is a “hater” according to this facebook generation. Whatever happened to having a difference of opinion, sharing positive criticism or simply telling it how it is? If I find fault with a players attitude or performance the fact his car has the pricetag of a modest house is a coincidental inconsequence. The original slang meaning isn’t too far removed from the normal definition lads, regardless of what Tim Westward said. If you want an example of a real “hater” look no further than that negating article by Sid Lowe. THAT is the work of a hater – unintentional, vicarious, or otherwise.
I can admit I was glad Alex dropped him for Fulham but im gutted with his injury. The best-case scenario is he returns in the best shape of his life and hits form quickly. The worst-case is unthinkable.
Must say, Shearer was spot on about Rooney entering the peak of his career now. If he really is this naturally “stocky” lad we keep hearing about, he’ll have to work much much harder than the naturally athletic lads who predominate in the EPL init? Tough titty im afraid.
The bottom line is this – Rooney still has the time to outscore Shearer, he’s definitely got the talent AND he’s also got the teammates whether he doubts it or not. I just hope im right in assuming he’s got the minerals to pull it all together. COME ON WAZZA? Come out swinging…
DreadedRed says:
Costas, I find it distracting when samuel uses FERGIE several times in one comment. After reading the comment all I can really remember is FERGIE
- haha, its mind control mate.
Pay it no mind.
@Jeey, wayne
Don’t know why Nani wasn’t on the bench on Saturday and, truth be told, he can be frustrating at times. But selling him now would be a huge mistake. I hope the Zenit stuff is rubbish. We will be down to 2 wingers and I for one don’t want to see Welbeck on the left again.
What is this nonsense about selling Nani to Zenith?. Big BIG mistake. I prefer losing Young to Nani if Fergie is trying to trim the squad. Nani on his day is UNPLAYABLE. Cannot be stopped when on form. The boy is still young. His consistency will improve. We should at least try and push for him to stay. If that doesn’t work then we should use the money we get from him to get Dembele.
Agree with both Wayne and Costas…
Idiot? goodness me, what a twat. The point is, while you vigilant my post (thanks for the unwanted honour), i never notice your post, it’s a fact. I’ve said it before, i don’t have the time for grudges on an internet blog or in life for that matter. I agree or disagree with people but the next day, it’s all forgotten but you seem the bitter type to hold on like a mentally broken bride, it’s unhealthy. This is an internet blog, words don’t really bother me but it does amuse me i have to say.
The thing with someone like cedars is, he always has it in him to mention my name when he disagrees with me and but then again it’s all put aside, that’s life.
Southampton suddenly becomes a huge match, gotta love the EPL.
They played good football against City tbh, I’d be delighed our rag-tag team can make it 6 out of a possible 9 points. We just need to steady the ship until our defenders return.
Also lads – if anybody is bothered – the fella with the same username but in lower cases at 11:35 isn’t me.
Costas agree mate i don’t like using Rooney or Danny on the left,if Sir Alex was seriously thinking about selling Nani would’ve made moves for a replacement.All i can think of if it did happen would be to play Kagawa out left but he looks so dangerous in the number 10 spot still weaken the side
I’m a fan of Nani but it doesn’t stop me thinking he is a luxury player who only turns up spasmodically.We cant have players in the team who might perform and Anderson is another,they rapidly turn into passengers.
dannysoya LOVES USAIN BOLT – yea that is on his day, and the wages he is probably asking and the performences we are seeing from him,, he is not worth it. Nani performes 5 or 6 times out of 10, he will have a blinding few games, and go missing for 9 or 10 games. It is not good enough, nani is a good player, but not that good
Costas – I agree, stupid selling him this season, I could see united cashing in on him next summer, but not this summer
I am not bitter Samuel (since you asked of it, even though you’ve yet to address me directly too), just someone that remembers well. You are just a bullshitter that has more faces than Mount Rusmore in my eyes. And I have no desire to forget or bypass anything. You’ve attaked United players and ROM members in the past and then acted like you never did. I could care less if you read my posts or not (although secretely I am certain you do). But don’t think for a second that no one is onto your act. And I am not the only one.
That’s it from me. Keep rambling on about FERGIE now.
@wayne
Kagawa on the left would open the door for a 4-4-2 system again, but like you said, I am not sure the lad is comfortable there at all. From what I’ve seen, he’s a one touch player and not much of a dribbler. I am not sure he would be as good as Park on the wing. Can’t wait for this transfer window to close and for my anxiety on the matter to subside.
@FITB
Yeah pal, as things stand, it wouldn’t be a stretch to imagine him leaving next summer. As long as there’s an adequate replacement lined up of course. Like the Colombian lad from Porto. He has his ups and downs, but Nani is a matchwinner for us and we have to be careful about the next move. I must admit that it’s amazed me how one team selection can stip up so much controversy and speculation. Must be the papers’ last ditch attempt to create some sensationalistic rumors before the window closes.
United don’t sell stars like Nani unless theres a real problem, or unless expectations suddenly take a dive. I know he’s slagged off like he’s not an important player already, but if Nani is sold after scoring 10 and assisting 13 in all competitions, Alex would have to explain the decision to much a greater extent than the sale of Gibson or Obertan. Oh yeah, Nani’s form for Portugal since the Euro 2012 qualifiers has been fuck-hot. Across all competitions nobody at United assists more than him, and even if we are moving towards better use of the ball in CM our Club won’t be discarding real threats down the flanks any time soon.
I think the rumours around him and Anderson are just that. If Nani wants 130K only Silva on 200K is a comparable player, except he’s unproven as a traditional winger who doesn’t cut inside, he hasn’t scored or assisted as many goals over the last 2 seasons. One glaring similarity is both players are guilty of inconsistency at times.
Costas – you’re rambling on like a bitter bride again and i definitely do not read your post. “On to me”, I don’t know how old you are but i would assume you’re not a petty school girl, you or any of your clans don’t have anything decent thing to do, do you?. Do you really think a fool like you will stop me from posting? is that your aim?
Anyone else grateful to the Glazers? No? With all the fuss about how little they invest in the squad, I thought this summer would convert a few of you into believers. Yes, they are running a business and attempting to make a profit. Yes, they are great at what they do. Yes, they have the backing of SAF. The debt is not ideal, granted, but they seem to be widdling away and signing partnerships with brands that will ensure the long-term stability of the club — oh, and investing in youth and the training facility. What more do you want?
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/8023964/Totaliser-table
Dont see no logic in nani being sold espically this close to the end of the transfer window, the seasons a marathon not a sprint, and we’ll be looking to utilise the squad as a whole, and im certain any success we enjoy this ssn nani will play a vital part,
The self vigilantes of Republik of mancunia. I wonder if scott drops his slice of the money he gets from the adverts to them or is this another pathetic voluntary jobs for the knitting gran papas?. This makes me laugh.
Of course not Samuel. Unlike you, I am not against people speaking their minds. Keep embarassing yourself. I’ve told the truth about you and the best you can do is call me a bitter bride and a petty school girl. Don’t make my job easier. Please.
Costas – You just seem like a bitter bride though. If you weren’t, you wouldn’t be posting irrelevant essays like that and you would let bygones be. The truth about me? please kindly elaborate what you know about me beyond my posts and this username?. Why are you full of hatred?
samuel everyone knows i’m not your biggest fan so not going to dwell on this.Costas without doubt is the most reasonable levelheaded poster on Rom,i don’t remember him going after a regular poster other than trolls and wum’s
So for once in your life get off that high horse and take a long look in the mirror,everthing he’s saying is true,you remind me of someone i know who let’s everyone know he’s a member of mensa and can’t be told anything.You have favorite players who you overrate and then other players who never get a chance and are a constant target for abuse
Whatever you think has to be right and if people say any different,the dummy is thrown out ,you need to be more open to other peoples views and stop thinking you are so superior and the rest of us are idiots
Ah, more bickering.
For what its worth Samuel I don’t have any problem with your posts as 99.9% of what you leave on here is related to Manchester United and Manchester United only.
Keep it up. Going back and forth just lowers your average mate.
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/424204_337919706297596_1824421208_n.jpg?dl=1
“Gutted to be out for a while but my leg will be ok and that’s the main thing”
Take a chill pill and wank over my thread(click on the red)…jesus christ keep it on topic please !
Dreaded Red @ 10:17: “It amazes me that fans think that Dembele is below the Gaffer’s radar. I bet that FERGIE has known a lot about him for quite a while, including his temperamental suitability to United. The way some fans see and talk about Sir Alex, it’s a wonder that he’s managed to keep his job all these years.”
Exactly – “some fans” seem to think that SAF gets his player-evaluation info from the back pages of the red-tops.
BUT look at the comments surrounding, say, Angelo Henriques or the Da Silva twins – these guys were spotted at 15 (or even younger in the case of Henriquez) and UTD built up a relationship with parents and club to foster their development, bringing them to M/C when they were “ready”, under the radar of the “red tops” and “some fans”. Same goes for Davide Petrucci, Nick Powell, and countless others.
Wayne – i’m not declaring superiority, i just always stand by my views and i understand it can be harsh. but that’s how life goes. I don’t remember ever constantly abusing any player, i doubt if they have the capabilities to reach the heights of united but i also will give credit when they prove me wrong. I’m not the first to do that and won’t be the last. It’s nice that you’re finally all mentioning your problems but i won’t change my style to suit anyone. Personally and as men which we all are, we would put this pathetic rubbish feud on an internet blog aside and get along.
@Samuel
If my posts are essays, what are yours? I take pride in being short and sweet.
Anyway, the truth I was talking about is stricly about what I’ve seen you post at ROM. Nothing more. We’ve been through this before. I am talking about the times you’ve written players off and then claimed you really didn’t (Young and Macheda for example). And I am also talking about the times fans would complain about Berbatov not getting used and you would mock them repeatedly (talking about operas, violins, etc etc).
And don’t get me wrong. I am not hateful and I don’t hold a grudge. Your opinion of Berbatov or any other player is your prerogative and I will defend it until I die. But you complain about getting attacked or people not respecting your opinion, when you do the same all the time.
Don’t interpret one person’s opinion of you as hatred.
United Till i Die prior to samuels comment at 13.17 everything was football related it was him who started all this by taking shots and not even putting names to his comment,then he has a go at Costas for doing the same thing he always does
Before making judgments maybe try reading some back comments
United till i die – thanks mate, i apologise for diverting from united related topics today.
shut up wayne
@wayne
To be completely fair, I was the one that got the ball rolling earlier today when I was talking with DreadedRed. And Samuel responded. I understand United Till i Die’s wish for the discussion to remain football related, but I do get carried when I feel strongly about something. I’ll limit the non footie stuff from now on. I made my point and should have done sooner instead of beating around the bush.
And thanks a lot for the kind words about me. They are appreciated and returned in kind.
Costas – look at ashley young, will he ever reach great heights of a world class footballer? has Berba lived up to his pricetag of 30million and expectation despite his talents? has macheda looked anywhere near the first team despite coming through at the same time as welbeck. I don’t write players off, i doubt them and want them to prove me wrong. It’s my own fucking way however i perceive players. You or anyone on this blog won’t influence my post, You are wasting your time. Like i said, let bygones be, it’s a blog and we all post what others dislike. I’m not really saying you are attacking me and even if you or anyone did (it doesn’t affect me) but this charade is boring me.
Costas, wayne, anyone else wants to share their emotion? this blog has turned into an alcoholic anonymous convention. I always thought as united fans, despite our disagreements and rows, we’d all bury the hatchet and get on. It’s a shame as costas can be an intelligent poster and as are many that post their views.
lads, by making the point to Samuel that I don’t mind his posts it wasn’t a broad swipe at whoever he’s arguing with. I wouldn’t know who started what or what it was over. What I do know is Samuel, Costas and Wayne are three names on here who make good points about the Club.
Lets keep it that way lads. No worries.
@Samuel
Well wayne did have a thank you coming his way there. I am usually not the expressive type, lol. Anyway, like I said, I should have been more upfront instead of letting things veer off topic. But I really have no desire to attack or change anyone’s opinion. Or to keep grudges going on forever. I just point out something when it bothers me. But it’s done now and hopefully things will be more civil from now on.
@United Till I Die
I never saw it as a swipe mate. You worry about the quality of the blog and I know where you are coming from. I was the one that started it today and I needed the reminder.
Fuck you Tom
Costas lol you and I are chalk and cheeze mate,just telling the truth about you but I don’t fit into the same catagory
@ Abubakar Iya Girei
August 27, 2012 – 16:51…
Dude, I respect that you love Rooney. We all do. He’s our scouser but I think its somewhat of an insult mentioning him in the same sentence as Ronaldo Da Lima not to talk to comparing them. Cheers mate.
Well apparently fergie and rooney have fallen apart and rooney will be sold in january. This is what happens when united finish their business. Churlish stories. Unsubstantiated bullshit.
Haha
The bickering is something (I would say) I enjoy
Cause at the end of the day the folks sort it out
Not that I want it to continue, but reading the lines of one expressing their hatred on a freaking blog its something, I must admit, adore
Off topic
And not united related
But this is really crazy
Didier Drogba and Nicolas Anelka could be set for a sensational exit from Shanghai Shenhua, despite having only joined the Chinese Super League outift this year.
It seems a shareholding dispute involving chairman Zhu Jun could leave the club unable to pay the wages of the former Chelsea duo.
@QuintonFortune: When u see a player like Dembele u wonder why he’s not at a big club. If we don’t get him then I’m sure someone else will go in for him
Costas – I like nani, he is a good player, but nani can be replaced. I still think he flatters to deceive, and I would not call him a full match winner, if he was sold in the summer I would not be worried to much
Foe real Sam a go at Costas, we had this same talk 18 months ago, post shit, yet name no names. A real cuntish way to go about things.
fergie is the boss
Nani is the complete opposite to a player who flatters only to deceive.
His assist + goal ratio is second to none. Therefore he is at least as good as he looks.
Costas – Well it’s good that we can all throw this aside and get along. life’s short and hey, i can finally mention your name (i’ve mentioned nearly every poster on here). back to topic though, i was taking a look at our new signing angelo henriquez, my goodness is he a deadly finisher. I think when he arrives, we may be witnessing another huge star in the premier league (we are stacking top players). City being the classless bastards that they are would have made it a bidding war if united didn’t have an agreement with him already.
Sam are you a Samatha? You bitch like a women, always worried, never happy, nit picking at best, a full on rag most days, then the gall to say a new day, all forgotten, for you you fuck not for me. You bite at heals like a mangy mut.
Come on sam there you go again, 2 hours you will be at some one else, we see you.
Sept 1st almost here, speculation then will be for Jan.
The squad will be fine. RVP and Kagawa to get a run of games. Next big star just might be Rafa? He and Tony now what a team running and overlapping wow.
Evans to get time with club then country and be up to speed in 3 weeks!
A Sunday game, cool 5 days to train together for a big 3 points. Evans and maybe Rio back, so Mike can play CMF, nice.
Actually Nani would seem to embody the exact definition of “flattering to deceive”, as in sports commentary the phrase is used when a player has a wonderful game followed by a series of poor performances. Which pretty much decribes Nani’s whole career other than the wonderful half season stretch in 2010-11. I do love him as a player and hope he stays and finds consistency however no matter all that he still frustrates the fuck out of me on numerous occasions in most games especially lately.
JC
The term ” flatter only to deceive” means that your results aren’t as good as your performance.
Nani’s results (goals + assists) is second to none for wide players in England.
Nani to Zenit? Please tell me it isn’t so. I would be gutted if we were to sell Nani when the lad has not even reached his prime. Out of all the wingers that we have got, he is probably the only one who has the capability to turn the game on it’s head. Valencia is also capable of doing such things but for some reason I seem to prefer Nani. I think people are exaggerating the “he has 1 good game in 10″ philosophy. He was the most consistent player in the team in the 10/11 season and if it wasn’t for his injury then he would have had another good last season.
As for the other transfer rumor going around- Ando to Spurs? Only if we have a replacement else Ando can stay put and we can give the Ando-Cleverley pairing another chance.
Rooney said his leg will be ok. Which doesn’t provide much info, lol. Hopefully he will just miss the internationals and will be good and ready after that.
@Samuel
Yeah, It did get silly towards the end with all the insinuating and I imagine it also got tiresome for the neutrals. But I am all for turning a new leaf. So I’ll borrow a page from Cedars’ book here and attempt to bury the hatchet. But I still think we badly need a DM.
@Zibbie
Hi pal. I was also guilty of taking shots without naming Samuel. This wasn’t about him attaking me. It was a case of some stuff that was boiling for a while now and had to be addressed. It’s better if we just move past it now. The last thing this blog needs is endless grudges.
Maybe I am being ignorant but how did Dembele perform last season? Every season we have new flavors of the month coming up. Last season we had the Sneijder show, this season we had the Hazard show and now it’s the Fellaini and Dembele show. Would these players improve UTD? Yes, they certainly would and maybe the Gaffer did put in a cheeky bid to see if it could happen. Who knows what goes on behind the scenes? In addition, one good game against us does not make him a world beater. I have seen far worse players have a belter of a game against us, it doesn’t mean that we have to buy those players.
fuck me…go back to work early and miss all the fucking bickering fun on here …damn and blast….
oh come on ….surely its what ROM is known for….UTD fans all with differing views getting passionate defending their own views…. love it on here
oi Costas …you calmed down now….can see from your ‘essays’ you were getting irate as you were posting before checking it….boy oh boy….
Zibs…how are you lately fella….heard you have been a bit poorly….
Looks like the dippers have secured quite a good player in Nuri Sahin. Will he help them break back into the top 4? Nope. There is still too much mediocrity in that squad for them to finish in the top 4 but a good signing nonetheless.
Costas .and Samuel…do you need a visit from the ROM Kiss + Makeup (No Tongues) specialist……
I am happy with the sqaud and if we see off southampton 6 from 9 is a good start, bearing in mind we normallt start slowish.
On the Rooney situation, I trust SAF, simple.
Dreadedred …your posts seem to remind me of someone who used to post here before….give me a clue will you…
Lee Martins Winner
On the Rooney situation, I trust SAF, simple.
and me mate, and me
Woah, chill up everyone. If there is some miscommunication or words taken offence, just spill it out calmly to clear it, like I did with Samuel. All adults here (I suppose), no point wasting your mental health & energy over something that can’t hurt.
Lets all just be more respectful with the words we use & clear up any grudges calmly =)
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, we would not want to get stuck in another person’s ass, oppss, opinions, do we? =p
To each your own, with respect of course
I’m singing a different song, TonyBee.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2194779/Wayne-Rooney-posts-picture-injured-leg.html
It used to mean that in old usage DR but not in todays common sports commentary. A wikipedia article explaining the common usage of today could be headlined by a picture of Nani. His overall goal and assist totals are irrelevant to the phrase, it’s his day to day performance, his consistency or lack thereof that allows the depiction.
Arseholes get a bum rap!
JC
Perhaps you should write a wiki article on it then, ha ha!
If you do, please link it. I’m keen to read and follow the Citations.
yeah got you Dreadedred… thought you were he who shall remain nameless….
http://m.mirror.co.uk/ms/p/tmg/mirror/sxJonv9TC6QlOI7nF8dg6uA/view.m?id=3554669&cat=Mirror-Football-Top&guid=http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-coach-rene-meulensteen-1283828
Utdforlife
Dembele faired quite well last year when reverted to a midfield role, for me what stands out for me with him is how he drives forward with the ball a bit like yaya does for that lot, also gives more of a physical presence in some respects, i think he was 12 in the league last year with regards to his pass completition.
What do you think of my new hair-do?
Busby babes. Thanks for the info mate. He is a bit like Yaya in certain aspects and I am surprised that none of the top clubs in Europe have approached him if he is so sought after. Anyways, if the Gaffer is happy with our midfield then who are we to complain??
Costas – due to the premier league rolling out some physical teams, i understand the clamour for a powerhouse in midfield but maybe one that offers more going forward. People have mentioned dembele and i’m not against that as he blends immense power with important technique which i always look for in players, he has this incredible stride forward that would make yaya toure look like a snail but my view is completely useless because the manager is stubborn regarding this situation. He’s a loyal man and i think we’re suffering from a case of him placing trust on the players we already have. Personally, anderson is the only player capable of physical play, this season will be his last if he doesn’t step up. The manager has claimed no more signing will be made, i’m now scouring through the squad to see players capable of stepping into that middle role from the youth. We should build tunnicliffe for that role, that boy will be some powerful midfield player.
Utd4life
yea m8 he does’nt often get it wrong do he? but personally i would like to see another centre midfielder bought just to provide a bit more solidarity, carrick gives that but has it’s been said he cant be expected to play every game, fletch also but his recent illness is still not clear although recent signs seem encouraging
Off topic :
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/120828/man-united-legend-set-return-and-swoop-striker-179698?
Samuel-United we stand
reports emerging on twitter united holding talks with fulham although you can take claims on twitter with a pinch of salt.
In that photo rooney is wearing a tshirt with “courage becomes greater through a wound”in latin….
Footballers and messages on tshirts, seems to be the thing these days. Still, glad to see rooney recovering….keep your leg lifted now wayne.
Nice to see RVP helping wayne in that daily mail photo.
fulham name a strong squad for tonite’s game dembele not even in squad, although worth noting it is a cup game
Even though i’m an optimist for youth coming through, Tunni isn’t ready for complete responsibility yet, it looks like michael Carrick will have to take that disciplined role this season. From michael, we won’t get crunching tackles but more interception and reading of the game, he’ll be important.
I think generally though, as a team unit. We need to defend better. Right from the front to the back, slack preventable goals have occurred too often.
I read an email saying that we’re in for a new keeper, but I prefer correspondence via fax.
Busby babe – if dembele signed then he would be a much improved and technically better anderson. Of course it’s twitter, can’t take it seriously but that performance against united may have turned the manager’s head.
I can bet on my missus, that Rooney will be back after internationals.
Now that we’ve got some Dembele talk going i’d like to add that the reason why I like him so much is because he is EXTREMELY strong with an imposing figure and is VERY fast for a man of his build. The only midfielder in that sort of mould in the premier league is Yaya Toure. Big, strong, fast, a good dribbler, can score goals as a result of him playing as a striker for most of his career. I’d take a chance on him.
Why do people have the need to take a picture of everything all the time. Looking at the daily mail article where Rooney is getting into the ambulance, there are several idiots with shitty phones in the air. The picture/video quality is terrible and what is the fucking point? You want a picture of Rooney? Try Google ffs. The same thing happens during games. It is retarded.
I am sat here hoping that SAF and David Gill are just finalising a deal with Fulham for Dembele. He was awesome on Saturday and just imagine him in midfiled playing in front of the back 4 breaking up the opposition play, bossing Hazard, Toure etc and then driving forward into the opposition half causing havoc and setting up opportunities for Kagawa and RVP! If Fletch’s career is over then Dembele would be an excellent replacement surely worth £15m particularly if we can offload Anderson as part of the deal. He will never be good enough – on Saturday he was puffing and blowing after 60 minutes and his movement was extremely limited – not surprising when you look at his thighs! If we let Dembele go to Spurs without trying to highjack the deal we will live to regret it!
“What a difference a day makes”… actually there’s no difference because it’s the same thread
75 hours, feeling this morose
75 hours, waiting for it to close
and when one slow hour should eventually go
there’ll be 74 hours, hearing transfer woes.
Apparently spurs are the ones who have agreed the deal for Dembele not us.
Cost of livin’ gets so high
Rich and poor they start to cry
Now the weak must get strong
They say oh, what a tribulation
Dembele full but we hungry
A hungry mob is an angry mob
A rain a fall but the dirt it tough
A pot a cook but you no ‘nough
You’re gonna dance to United, dance,
We’re gonna dance to United, dance,
Forget your troubles and dance,
Forget your sorrows and dance,
Forget your sickness and dance,
Forget your weakness and dance.
Neil Custis! What a flippin blowhard!
http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/drivetime/120828/custis-rooneys-relationship-fergie-isnt-good-minute-179710?
I only hope someone talks some sense into Wayne. {Probably no if that cunt Stretford has anything to do with it]. Does he think he would be better off at Shitty?
On the Dembele front, Tottenham has apparently started negotiations to buy him
[http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/dembele-to-kick-off-60m-spending-spree-at-tottenham-8084165.html] .
If Fergie really wants him, he must act fast.
@Hans
The twats at twitter are claiming that a deal worth £15million for Dembele by United and he’s expected for medical tomorrow, but am not bothered.
Sir Alex has been the United manager for 999 league games.
One in a thousand.
999 games at an average of 2.03 points per game.
598 wins, 233 draws, 168 summary executions by fickle followers.
Capitano. who on Twitter?
Capitano,
My feed is full of Drembele to Spurs. Where you seeing this?
1. I reckon Wayne Rooneys injury isnt all that bad. There is no mention of any damage to ligaments or muscle so how bad can a deep gash thats been stiched be?.
2. Ferguson has come out and said its a bad one and we could be seeing anything from upwards of 4 weeks out.
3. I reckon Rooney will be fit straight after the England game and will be champing at th ebit to play and says hes ready.
4. Sir Alex says hes crocked giving the boy an excuse in not making the team and train behind closed doors to regain fitness and sharpness.
5. Rooney keeps saying hes ready and Sir Alex gets cheesed off with him. All part of the plan! Fans on the side of the manager, Rooney feeling even more left out.
bla bla bla make your own minds up from here.
Dembele
If Dembele was so fucking good then where the fuck was he in the first 45 minutes. He ran the midfield in the second half. Why? Did he win the battle or did we take our feet off the accelerator? My guess is the latter and the Dembele gossip was just the usual pre match gossip which is either directly started by Sir Alexs words of admiration that often happens before a fixture OR rumours put out there if the press start to feel Sir Alex is using the press. Either way it worked. When it mattered and we won the game in the first 45 minutes he was as useful as peanut butter chastity belt.
spurs bid accepted for dembele
We’re missing out on dembele.Why is SAF such a slacking cunt?Anderson is shit.
Well that’s another midfield that we not signing
@ T4M
Chill out man, and choose your words carefully about SAF! It is not the end of the World if we do not get Dembele (although compared to £7.5m for Bebe he looks like a bargain @ £15m)!
Our manager has clearly lost the plot if he just looks as spurs sign dembele.I don’t care what you “Top reds” have to say!
I like what I’ve seen from Dembele’s play most times and he certainly had a decent game on Saturday but if we did buy him who would we keep back in the changing room for him? Cleverly? Carrick? no, I didn’t think so. He’d take Anderson’s squad place but all that’d get him is a spot on the bench.
Yeah getting the German and English player of the year is really loosing the plot, u T4M on the other hand have lost the plot.
Think his drive would be an welcome addtion to what we currently have, would also present us with a bit more of a physical presence
Dembele is off to spurs, they must have done that deal a while ago. That rumour is exterminated. This is exactly why i had my mind set with the players united already have, the manager never really changes his mind regarding this things. We make do with what we have, Gotta get anderson fitter and get his partnership with cleverley going as despite falling short during his career at united so far, he is still capable of getting better. I think he does have the mobility and drive similar to dembele, he has a poor goal record but same can be said of dembele who had t convert from a striker and i believe when anderson gets fitter which he’ll do as he plays longer, he can be the driving presence in midfield. I remember how he knitted and kept things ticking at the start of last season, we as fans just have to believe in the manager and the players.
Carrick will be important as wel. He’s no powerhouse but he makes a big difference discipline wise, he reads and intercepts well (important skill to have in an age of players seeing more red card) our other young midfield players can take that and add it to their locker of ability. United will be fine.
Fergie wouldn’t know a good midfielder if it hit him in the face.Anderson’s shit,cleverley is decent at best,carrick decent at best.Scholes,giggs are old and not good enough anymore.Our Centre midfield will cost us again this season.Can’t believe fergie didn’t see what was wrong when we played bilbao
i think sir alex put his faith in anderson that s why we didn t sign dembele
in my opinion ando will never prove himself and make it at united he is injury prone and lacke dicipline like the most of south american players
but no one know better than sir alex.
if sir alex we trust
in sir alex we trust
off topic
http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/virals/120828/man-united-and-chelsea-target-would-fergie-have-accepted-carrington-179673
Have to say, dembele going off to spurs has gotta be one of the fastest done deal. He’s already doing a medical, fulham fans won’t be happy with this move though, moving across the city.
Andre Villas-Boas will bring 5 or 6 players and spend more then 50m£ and get sacked by january
i am sure he will find it hard to finish in the top 6
To say the least, I am happy for Dembele. Hope he helps Tottenham do one over Le arse which is rather a sadistic thought seeing Le arse is in all kinds of trouble
let s sign witsel!!
T4M
Fuckin hell fella are you for real.
Where was Dembele in the first half? I never saw him run the midfield! In the second half when we took our foot of the pedal then Dembeles was seen but thats more to do with us sitting back than Fulham taking control. Our midfielders created chance after chance in the first half. When Dembele “controlled” the midfield in the second half how many chances did he create. If you see one better still as you say hes so fucking good see two tell me the minute of the match and Ill take a look. Good luck in that!
As for saying Carrick is good at best and a very young Cleverley is good at Best and Scholes hasnt got much to offer you are seriously deluded.
Maybe you should look back into the history books and quote on here how old RoyKeane was when he joined us and then take into account it took him nearly two seasons to shift Robson and Ince from the midfield mainstay pairing. Give the youngsters a chance. For their ages they are fucking decent. Shame you dont like the idea of watching talent develop from a young age and through to full maturity. United is a family club not an oil garchs play thing. It isnt rent a league its winning as a family.
Sven Goran Eriksson claims Steven Gerrard will never win the Premier League with racistpool
Witb danny biy hernandez and rvp around the blow has definitely been softened. Rooney will stay I am absolutely sure its wishful thinking by ABUS that he ll be off.
By the way anyone got a link to this otber blog opened by ROM members? Would love to give it a read.
Soton game reminds me of Burnley away a few seasons back hope we get past it and as mentioned above keep things ticking until RIo Evans and Jones are back.
Has iv said numerous of times i’d welcome a midfield addition centrally but if mr ferguson deems what we got enough than so be it
maybe jones will be removed to the middle?
i think we have enough cb
Dembele Spurs bid accepted – 15mn – fuck, we did bid for him, this sucks he looks like a great Fletch replacement.
Scott the Red – started reading this blog for your match analysis, that is usually late if it comes at all – are you planning on commenting on matches this season or is this just a twitter site with no word limit now? Seriously, why can’t you do reasonably quick match write ups anymore?
Goat – my conclusion is, the manager is looking at developing players for that midfield role. Always nice if we bring in a top player but we also possess outstanding talents just about to break into the first team. Petrucci is a classy player and is ready, at 20 he should be around the first team more. nick powell looks a gifted midfielder, a possible scholes replacement in time. Lingard and cole are little technicians in midfield, they are creative masters in chief, tunni is a bruising bulldozer. The manager won’t throw them all in at once but he’s best at watching their development. We have the players, how many of us are patient to see them blossom? surely this is another reason why the manager isn’t desperate to bring anyone in? perhaps he believes in these young players and i do too. The club has always had a philosophy of its youth being the oil to its engine, these younger players will step up. Mark my words.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2194724/Wayne-Rooney-follow-Lionel-Messis-dedication-Neil-Ashton.html
I think SAF is looking to give Cleverley more responsibility this season. If Dembele joined, where would that leave Cleverley, Tunni and the rest? I think Cleverley will improve as season goes on, He’ll be a good box to box in a few years time thus patience is needed to help him grow into that role. With SAF looking at 4231 as long term formation, I’ll like to see Tunniclife given a chance too, probably partnering Carrick in front of the back four. Finally, its more of the tactical approach that will be important this season than personnel, in the first half vs Fulham, United pressed high up the pitch which worked only in the second half did We see Fulham come forward regularly due to United backing off like they did most of last season. Take a look at Dortmund over the last two years, despite not having ‘STAR’ names like Bayern, their relentless pressing approach worked and even embarrassed Bayern, it can work here too and Thank God We have Kagawa now who was a vital part in that approach for Dortmund. Happy days ahead people!
United did bid for Dembele, it was just too low, so this argument SAF is waiting for youth to come through is wrong. He is not waiting at all, he tried that last year with Ravel and Fryers and Pogba. They fucked off. Not saying all are the same, but SAF wants to win, that his job and he bid for Dembele because he wanted to buy him.
Comparisons with Cleverly make no sense, they are different players. Demebele is in the Keane Fletcher mould. As I said earlier, we have no one like that in the squad now and it is a fantastic option to have and one everyone knows we need and that the United bid also recognised, no way are any of the youth ready to make that jump up, they look to be some good talents but in temperment and proven ability none of them are near a starting place other than a possinle Carling Cup sub role.
Just read in the independent about a possible move for Robben. I don’t care how good he is, I cannot stand him! I think I’d rather have John Terry in the team!!
@ gazzer – JT over Robben – no way….would take Robben any time over than thug. Robben can change games on his own and we did try to bid for him when Chelsea got him, if Nani goes, he would be a great addition and he is better than Young.
Looks like Dembele is off to Spurs. Oh well, life goes on. Anderson had better buck up to return the great faith Sir Alex has in him, more so than alot of us. Guess the answer of how good Dembele really is will come to light since we are going to face him at least 3 more times this season.
I don’t see any transfers happening anymore, except Berba going to Florentina, even though I hope he stays. He could trach our youngsters a thing or two about loyalty & attitude. But seriously, 5m for Berba is a joke of the highest order. Call me twisted, but I hope he comes back to haunt us
*2 more times*
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/aug/29/rio-ferdinand-manchester-united
Picture this: in two years time United buys Dembele for double the money he cost to Spurs. Ferguson: “I should have bought him two years ago.”
Gutted we missed him
NBI – No player will become a proven ability until they’re given the opportunity to play surely?. Temprament can only be tested if they’re given opportunity to showcase it, They can’t be wrapped up in cotton wool for so long and as the manager tends to do, he’ll put a player in who he deems capable regardless of age. Every single footballing superstar out there had the foundation to step up, we should look at giving ours chances too. Dembele has moved to another club and he’s a good player but i don’t think his arrival would guarantee victory, we may still fall short, football is all about margins. On another point, you can’t really compare morrison and his fellow big time clans with level headed players like petrucci, cole, lingard, powell, tunnicliffe e.t.c who all want the opportunity to show what they’re capable of. All i can say is, rather than dip our noses and be somehow desperate to buy, we should be aware that we do have talents of our own. A little more belief, a little more optimism, a little more encouragement/belief and we’ll see these players take on the mantle.
The transfer window will shut down soon, the solution to whatever midfield issue may be, can be found within the club.
samuel – united WE stand says:
….my conclusion is, manager is looking at developing players for that midfield role. Always nice if we bring in a top player but we also possess outstanding talents just about to break into the first team. Petrucci is a classy player and is ready, at 20 he should be around the first team more. nick powell looks a gifted midfielder, a possible scholes replacement in time. Lingard and cole are little technicians in midfield, they are creative masters in chief, tunni is a bruising bulldozer. The manager won’t throw them all in at once but he’s best at watching their development. We have the players, how many of us are patient to see them blossom? surely this is another reason why the manager isn’t desperate to bring anyone in? perhaps he believes in these young players and i do too. The club has always had a philosophy of its youth being the oil to its engine, these younger players will step up. Mark my words.
I share your view.
@ goatinaunitedshirt says:
T4M
Fuckin hell fella are you for real.
Where was Dembele in the first half? I never saw him run the midfield! In the second half when we took our foot of the pedal then Dembeles was seen but thats more to do with us sitting back than Fulham taking control. Our midfielders created chance after chance in the first half. When Dembele “controlled” the midfield in the second half how many chances did he create. If you see one better still as you say hes so fucking good see two tell me the minute of the match and Ill take a look. Good luck in that!
As for saying Carrick is good at best and a very young Cleverley is good at Best and Scholes hasnt got much to offer you are seriously deluded.
Maybe you should look back into the history books and quote on here how old RoyKeane was when he joined us and then take into account it took him nearly two seasons to shift Robson and Ince from the midfield mainstay pairing. Give the youngsters a chance. For their ages they are fucking decent. Shame you dont like the idea of watching talent develop from a young age and through to full maturity. United is a family club not an oil garchs play thing. It isnt rent a league its winning as a family.
Spon on!!
RioFerdinand out for 2 more weeks according to the Guardian. Always the bearer of good news the Guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/aug/29/rio-ferdinand-manchester-united
The issue is, Tunni won the player of the year ahead of Pogba, yet Pogba came closer to the first team than him, perhaps in part trying to pacify him to sign on, but it didn’t work out.
And perhaps because we crashed out of all the cups very early that we didn’t need to rotate as much, so last year was a lost year to develop the youngsters. The blueprint has always been to send out them on loan, but doesn’t seem to be happening yet. I can only hope we see Tunni & Petri in league cup games & just throw them into the deep end
Every year we have lads on here that insist they will toddle off if United don’t buy x player. It really is hysterical sometimes.
So Dembele gone. I share the opinion of some of the last posters on the thread.
Look, Fergie. It is a must you start giving youngsters minutes in the premierleague.
But at the end of the day i just hope Fergie proves us all wrong and justify his patience and our long wait for free flowing football and with youngsters coming through.
It’s tough but well done Spurs. They needed that signing, we might just be able to work with the couple of couples of midfielders we currently have.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4508997/Nemanja-Vidic-Forget-about-fantasy-football-we-just-want-points.html
No more signing it seems as we spent a lot already, and seems Berba on his way out to Fiorentina as well. I just hope Utd come up with some good football and claim the points on the way, referring to iced earth’s link…
berba to Fiorentina done
fee 3.9m£
i think he is worth 10m£ to 15m£
anderson :Nani vai fica no Manchester”, which translates as “Nani no go Manchester”
3.9m I suppose its just his wages for the last year of his contract, so technically its a free transfer
I did not compare Dembele with Cleverley, its just that should He come in it would affect Tom’s playing time and to a large extent Tunni’s, no two ways about this if the young players dont get a chance, there’s no way they’ll develop mind You Dembele was also given a chance at his previous clubs otherwise We would not be seeing him now, same goes for the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Schweinsteiger etc they came in at times when their clubs had top midfielders and it looked like a tall order, of course they made mistakes which cost their teams titles but ultimately today We can see the rewards for that, I’m not against buying but not buying at the expense of youth talents, if the likes of Scholes, Giggs etc were not given the chance earlier on would You see them the way they are today? SAF wants to win and he knows his job and He did bid for Dembele earlier on but the fact that he did not go back should tell Us that he maybe saw something We did not see. Its all about patience, remember United were strongly linked with big name right full backs before a young unknown Rafael was given His chance and the rest is history.
In games where United lead by 3 or 4 goals with 10 or 15 minutes to go, a Tunni, Petrucci, Lingard etc can be brought on, this happens regularly and before You know they’ll blend in. A million reserve games will never be like a a Premier League game, they’ll only learn by playing
rooney poses in front of chrome dildo
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9505346/Wayne-Rooney-in-good-spirits-ahead-of-two-months-out-of-Manchester-Uniteds-campaign.html
Dandivine7
“In games where United lead by 3 or 4 goals”
lol, you a new United fan. EVer heard of United doing it the hard way. Last year we were storming the league with a handfull of games to play. Manchester Uniteds answer = give away just enough points to make it really fucking difficult. United v Fulham = score an own goal just to give them hope right to the final whistle.
If your banking on Chelsea or Man City scorelines to get your youth set up valuable premier league time then I dont fancy the chance of your youth set up getting much time.
Its this that makes Manchester United matches so squeeky bum and enjoyable to watch. Who would want to see a match where we are 5-0 up at half time and continue piling on the pressure in the second half. Jesus just another excuse for people to beat the traffic except now they could leave 10 minutes earlier than useual. BORING!
He wont be the last player to move upwards on the back of a game against United and good luck to him.Seems some on here have an overblown opinion on the talents of our young reserves.Based on what?their showing in reserve games,Ive said this before it’s not even a proper reserve league but a regional league and if Uniteds youngsters cant make themselves look good in that then it’s a blue do.
parryheid
Your words may not go down too well on here when so much hope is pinned on Tuni but you are spot on. The noise about Pogba and Morrison was deafining in here and I for one never understood it. We had Morrison compared to Cantona and Pogba likened to Yaya Toure.
It would be a good idea if the premier league started an U21 premier league that way when we have youngstars that need match time but because of a slump in form can get decent match time in a worthy competition without the manager being pressed to pick the lad because the Press have named him the new George Best.
personally I thought Pogba was Carlton Palmer at best.
Do like the look of tunncliffe and he certainly is a tenacious player, wether we’ll see him intergrated into the first team it remains to be seen, even though he was’nt a regular for peterbrough i hear they liked him down there
Oh Fucking great Javi Martinez has his medical for Bayern Munich.What a bunch of unambitious cunts.
Who is to say that if we bought Dembele, the likes of Tunni will be shafted aside? If our youngsters are good enough, they can take on all covers. Didn’t Welbeck just shifted a 30m striker as well as a fan favourite out of the way? I’d prefer a young upstart to have to push someone out of the way rather than having a route planned out for you to the first team, like what Anderson & Cleverley are getting Call me old school, but I still believe the best way to learn is to bang the wall.
Ronaldinho had to replace Rivaldo, and Messi had to content with Ronaldinho himself. Xavi spent alot of time in the shadow of Guardiola too.
If Tunni cannot even push aside a Dembele, what makes you think he can be the one we are waiting for? Anyway, we are not bringing anyone in anymore, so we are stuck with Anderson, so heres to the hope that the Anderson of his first season here shows up
Think this season is huge for anderson, and i really hope he comes up trumps,
Best of luck to berba at his new club
Goat ….what a tremendous idea….a premier league u21 league …. would certainly sharpen up some younger talent
Too many posters on here play FIFA on computers … Thinking that you can just buy success… Look at our fucking history … We won loads with young kids as they matured rather than panic buy also-rans like Dembele
payheid:
You think that Martinez is unambitious for going to Bayern? Yeah because they clearly are shit in Europe and the Bundesliga is a second rate league full of shitty players.
Diego.
Unbelievable.You actually think I am talking about Martinez/Bayern regarding lack of ambition? Christ.
I was so surprised with all the raving that went on the media, ABU in particular, about how ‘great’ Fulham were. No one mentions a simple fact that we were poor rather than Fulham good. Even in the shitty second half for us we should have scored at least two more goals. Everybody seems to forget that we were cruising until DeGea-Vidic slip.
Yes Dembele looked good in a team full of average players, but he could do nothing to prevent us going 3:0 up. He may have been a good addition to the squad, but I trust Fergie knows what he is doing and would prefer much more if one of our own youngsters got the chance instead.
TonyBee
Im full of good ideas me, lol.
I do wonder sometimes why so many United fans look at Chelsea and City with envy in their eyes. I dont. Look at Cities squad and you tell me how relevant a 3 year old City Shirt is. Not a single name remains. Imagine in three years no United team with any of our players in it, because on here we have named hundreds of so called better players than our own. We do things the United way and I for one fucking love it and dont want to return to the days of having a Ron Atkinson managing us – fucking gold chains and champagne – what a twat.
I love the fact that we are competitive to the final day of the season whilst bleeding in youngsters whilst Chelsea and City take it in turns to be competitive with half a billion worth of talent with a 5 year shelf life. I particularly like the fact that when the Glazer debt is payed off, which it will be, fairly soon, my prediction all payed off with 8 years, we will have more transfer money to spend than either Abramovich or Sheik Yabouti and it will be within the FIFA fair play rules thingy majiggy.
The future is fucking bright and its down to the man from Govan.
Northern Ireland manager Michael O’Neill says:
“Jonny Evans has had his injuries and he had to have surgery but he’s made progress with his return and he was on the bench on Saturday. There are 10 days before the Russia game and we hope his fitness can really improve. He is vitally important to us. Jonny is very hopeful and optimistic that he will be ready to play.”
“I have spoken to Sir Alex but I also keep in touch with the players directly. The communication between myself, the players and the association is very good and we’ll contact them if there are any issues with their fitness.”
@TonyBee
Yes we won truckload of trophies with kids, but those kids were thrown into the deep end, the whole class of 92. Beckham & Ronaldo were given the No.7 shirt almost immediately
And its a myth that we won everything with kids, because we have always bought well too, from established players like Keane & Cole to “also-rans” like Solskjaer, Johnsen, Blomvquist, Yorke & Carrick. Its a balancing act, one that Sir Alex did superbly. Its a squad game and a Dembele certainly would add to our squad. Just imagine this, we play City, would you trust Anderson on Toure or Dembele? We’ve already seen that Carrick is no match for him from last season. So who else is there? Scholes or Clev?
Goatinaunitedshirt, I’m no new United fan and if I’m a new fan so what? United do it the hard way a lot of times NOT every time. I’m talking of those times United lead by large margins example last season We had some games We won comfortably like Villa at home, Wigan at home among others, those are the kind of games I’m talking of. On another note, seeing that some United fans cant get over Dembele signing for Spurs, they need to grow up. On the issue of young players, I know that reserve games can make players look better than they are but then that’s where they’ll start and once they start, they have to progress, Welbeck was scoring for fun for reserves, when he got to first team, it was a different story, some fans wanted him out, then Sunderland came in and the boy has not looked back since. If that could happen with Him I dont see why it cant happen with the present youth set up. The progression might be rocky but it will surely be worth it
Goat & parry – These guys aren’t full experienced professionals, they’re younger players. That level is the barometer to judge them on ability, as they always say, you can only play those in front of you. The whole point is, these players need the belief in them to make the next step in their careers, they need the opportunity to embark on a journey towards being top players. Yes the media can be guilty of overhype but i doubt any football fan looking ravel morrison would doubt his talents, he just has a bad attitude and temperament, he got too big for his boots and was sent packing. Pogba has great potential too, he’s far more talented than carlton palmer and if he puts in the shift, expect to hear his name in world football again. The point i’m making is, it’s not bad to buy top players but it’s also wise to integrate our own players. Welbeck was given his debut at 18, the manager tends to take the gamble. If he didn’t, we’d turn into city or chelsea who continuously buy. United has always had youths, they’ve carried the football club if you want to go as far back to bobby charlton, duncan edwards, george best and the likes scholes, Giggs, mark hughes e.t.c, it’s the philosophy, youth drives the club.
I’ve continuously repeated, the younger players should be played alongside experienced ones, watch them learn and build confidence, they don’t have to take full responsibility. I still think their chances will mainly come in capital one or fa cup.
Marq – seriously, you’re rarely going to find any player particularly in midfield capable of physically going toe to toe with yaya toure, he’s an absolute man mountain. Dembele is powerful but he could struggle against him. We need to stop letting other teams players dictate our play, instead of trying to impose ourselves, we worry about yaya. This is exactly why the manager packed the midfield at the etihad and we lost due to our attack looking toothless. We should try and get our own players to dictate games, as powerful and good a footballer yaya is, He’s not as mobile, although he can be hard to stop when he gets going. What we have to do is close down positions he would pose a threat, we can’t allow him time on the ball but we should also be more composed and use the ball better. We need to keep it better, fast quick pass and move.
What a pity that the Southampton game comes too late for any of their stars to press a claim for a last-minute transfer to the great Manchester United. We desperately need quality players all over the park, and what better way to find them than pillaging opposition squads that perform well against us?
Life is so unfair to the Saints hopeful players. Ah well, the blighters will have to wait until the 30th of January to engineer a move to United. A decent performance against us in the return match at Old Trafford should slap our gaffer awake, leaving him 24 hours to assess and sign their best players.
We also play Wigan, Liverpool and Spurs during the mid-season transfer window, so that’s at least 4 squads to chose our targets from. Roll on January, roll down the window, roll the dice and roll out the carpet for some high-rolling role-players that can get us on a roll towards Rolls Royce performances.
I think if we want to play the pressing game, all players have to improve their fitness and be at a maximum. To play that sort of style, you have to be energetic and wise tactically as wel. Barca have no big men in their midfield but they’ll harry, close opposition down and make them clueless. Anderson needs a fitness regime of getting stronger with more stamina, he needs to realise every time is not samba time and put in the graft, he needs to take more responsibility. cleverley as wel.
Yaya got easily marked by tom and ando in the community shield 1 year ago
If we can impose ourselves and play our own game, or adopt that style when playing them bitters, we can trash hem just like we did after going down 2 goals down and still managed to comeback and win at the other day
We need not to fear them and face them as men vs men.
Bayern munich remember???
they faced them did fear them and bettered hem
Dread – that’s gotta be one of the funniest post ever on ROM, i’m cracking up here. ha!
At Old Trafford. Dembele showed us what we needed. But it’s not him. Just like it’s not Fellaini. It’s someone that will stand up to these types of midfielders. Not that we will buy him this summer though. What I like about the Dembele transfer to Spurs is that they paid more for him now than they would have before Saturday. So in a way, we forced Levy to overpay for once.
@Samuel
Well as the roster shapes up, if anyone is going to play a combative role in our midfield, it’s Anderson or Tunnicliffe. The latter hasn’t gone out on loan yet, so that hopefully means he will get opportunities here and there. And then there’s Fletcher, but only God knows what we can expect from him anymore. I want us to have variety in our options. Just like the 4 main strikers or the 5 CBs have different qualities, I’d like for the same to apply to our midfielders. Carrick, Scholes and Cleverley are better with the ball at their feet and they will probably be our main choices. And I have trouble trusting Anderson. Nothing to do with his ability. It’s his track record with injuries. So I would have liked one more midfielder that had more of a physical presence (and I agree that he shouldn’t be one dimensional), but Sir Alex made it clear a long time ago that he disagrees with me on that. That’s why RVP was bought instead of a midfielder.
samuel – glad you enjoyed it mate!
Amazing dread
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That’s funny as fuck
ex TAOT:
‘United Reserves are back in Barclays Under-21 Premier League action tonight, with the first home game of 2012/13 at Altrincham FC. Tottenham are the visitors to Moss Lane and if you can’t get there to cheer on Warren Joyce’s charges, the game’s live on MUTV with coverage starting at 18:30 RoM Standard Time.’
Cheers Proverb!
The Dembele deal is awesome for Spurs, I hope Ferguson does not try to get him after two years where he would have to pay double the money like what happened with Berbatov.
Dembele is half decent but so is Moses and a few other CM’s in the league. If we’d played Newcastle and seen a robust performance from Tiote im sure he”d be the name everybody clamoured for instead. Its all a bit reactionary for my liking, especially after Fellani was praised as the second coming.
Lads, if Dembele was so amazing in midfield why did Anderson and Cleverly both have over 90% pass completion? If he was bullying them off the ball every five minutes where did our lads find the time to complete nearly 120 passes? Those passes won us the game ffs!
For starters I’d like to know where Dembele would supposedly strengthen us? Clearly not deep in midfield as he was no where near our CM’s when we scored three on the trot. Then again, he didn’t exactly set the world alight further up the pitch in either, as Fulham only scored by catching Carrick one on one for a set piece. The second goal was a gift from De Gea.
Now if Dembele scored 3 and won the match perhaps we would’ve signed him, but he didn’t, so what exactly did he achieve against a weakened United side who were there for the taking? Yeah he looked half decent and he’s impressed since last season, but beyond that I don’t understand the clamour to sign him.
LASTLY lads, Levy is no mug. If he had the choice between Anderson for 15m and Dembele for 15m who do you think he’d buy? Theres no way United are selling young Ando. Together with Kagawa and Cleverly he is the future of our midfield. Just wait till our defence is sorted out lads, our starting 11 is punching above our weight at the moment.
Costas – i agree but good old wily stubborn scot the manager is, he will do things how he sees fit. Variety is definitely important, you have those that will put in a shift and are team orientated and then you get those that are better with the ball. I look at our midfield and it misses a couple of ingredients that will make it top class, that presence as you say is crucial in away days at stoke (although, we should really kidnap rory delap). But as the window gradually shuts, reality will set in and we have to going into battles with weapons we have. Anderson can’t be trusted in terms of injuries but i’m hoping he somehow gets more fortune and rack up games, tunnicliffe is not experienced but alongside someone who has it and i reckon he could play that role effectively, michael Carrick is not a beast but he’s no weak link, fletch is a long shot but stranger things have happened, i hope he returns but whether it will be at his best, time will tell.
And regarding the RVP signing, i think the dutch man is one player that’s been on the manager’s wish list, he wasn’t going to let that opportunity pass plus he probably wants to give Rooney a kick up the backside.
BREAKING: Fiorentina have signed Manchester United striker Dimitar Berbatov for 5m euros
Tweet from @MikaMartinHaim
@MikaMartinHaim: C’est officiel : Dimitar Berbatov (Man Utd) signe pour trois ans avec la Fiorenta. Le montant du transfert est estimé à 5 millions d’euros.
United till i die – i agree that our slackness might be the fact that we’re far from settled as a team. At the back, we look patched up. Defence gives the forward thinking players the foundation to effect games, we need to be rock solid at the back and hopefully, evans will be returning at the right time as i never fancied michael against ricky lambert. I also agree about the potential of the anderson, cleverley and kagawa triangle, the latter two pass completion rate impressed me, it shows they’re more composed and they’re pretty mobile across the ground but i also want to see them sharing defensive duties, reading the game and making it difficult for opponents to get joy. They both can work in tandem regarding that but generally, i hope we’ll get a settled team out soon.
Tweet from @MikaMartinHaim
@MikaMartinHaim: It’s official : Dimitar Berbatov (Man Utd) sign for three years with the Fiorenta. Transfer estimated at 5 million euros.
Sorry guys for bullying the blog, had to share that
Going to miss Berbatov so much. What a player. Never once moaned about being on the bench, ever.
Sorry to see Berba leave. It is a shame things did not work out as we all wished.
I think Fergie never forgave him for his blunders in teh FA Cup semi final againts Shitty. That was the beggining of a long end for him as a United player.
Anyweay, good luck to him.
Hans
So you think carrick has been forgiven???
He let yaya score the only goal remember
I think once we get our defence back then we will see our midfield boss games.
All you doubters need to trust fergie.
Dandivine7 + Samuel
Youve got me wrong fellahs it seems a bit like your telling me off for not supporting the youth set up. Nothing is farther from the truth. Im one that believes in youth and a big fuck off to 30 million pound signings.
My problem, if it is indeed a problem, is giving too young a lad a chance too soon as inevitatbly playing for Manchester United he will be deemed a superstar before hes even play 5 games. That pressure isnt needed. I championed the idea of a Premier League U21 league as I felt the gap between reserves football and the premier league playing at the highest level as expected from any Manchester United player too great.
If you go through my posts overnthe years you will find nothing more than me being in full suport of the youth set up.
@Proverb
Goals change matches, and had he taken at least one of the two sitters, he had in that match, Yaya most probably would have never been in postion to score that winner. Still remeber Fergies fuming red face after the match.
[In all honesty, that baner should have been still proudly hanging at OT counting Shittys 'success'. They only won two trophies because we stupidly let them. ]
Samuel United we stand
i agree m8 in some respects with regards to the defense giving the more forward players the foundation to effect the game but the same can be said with regards to when the oppsition have the ball we leave the back four exposed
Who cares any way it’s only football lads … Utd have been my team for over 50 years and will be till I kick the fucking bucket ….
In my time I have seen them come and go some good some brilliant & some not so good players and managers alike… In SAF we have the best manager that UTD has ever had… And I for one think that if anyone can sort out UTDs shortcoming it will be him…. Of course people will not agree with his choices but until
they earn the right to critisize SAF might be best to they shut the fuck up
Not sure where the mirror got there BULL SHIT reports from today
Berbalove always in my heart! Hope u have a great time at la viola and finally get the games u so much deserve. The single most stunning stunt Sir Alex ever did was to let Berbatov get lower in rank then both Chicharito and the funny haircut Welbz.
Goatinaunitedshirt I got you wrong. I’m sorry. Thanks for clearing it up!
samuel – united WE stand – when you are trying to rebuild a football spine with broken parts, it will never be settled.Even if jones and smallen stop becoming injury prone, we will still need another defender. But I do feel the boss has made a rookie error by still thinking ferdinand and scholes should be a big part of the squad, without seeing some younger players who can take their places. I am still hoping we add atleast one more piece to she squad before the window shuts, as the squad has not been truly strengthened, we have improved the squad, but not strengthened it
What do you reckon the chances are of seeing Fletcher and/or Evans in tonight’s U21′s game? I’m hoping to see both, it’ll be good for Jonny to get some game time before stepping back into the first team and any minutes on the pitch for Fletcher is a bonus.
A go for Dembele sounds good, but the failure to do so also points to the fact that SAF is beginning to think (again!) that Ando might do the job, and based on the evidence from the Fulham game and the short stint Ando had against Everton, I think he might just be right…
Enough of Dembele he’s one footed and doesn’t score many goals.Utd put a low ball bid in would’ve been a ok addititon if the price had been right
No big club thought he was worth 15 mill so get over it
Dembele this Dembele that,fuck dembele
Just want to clear this up.
When I say Dembele, I don’t literally mean Dembele. I just mean a midfielder that gives a physical presences, who that can be, I don’t know. United have their scouts, they probably have a list of such players, and it is Sir Alex’s call that we don’t need such a player, whether it is because we already have Anderson or we have Tunni waiting in the wings, we will never know.
That said, I think our squad will be as it is now, so lets just get behind our team and get No.20! Game On!
Marq well all get it, do you? SAF is the man, the constant whine for a CDM is an insult to the man.
Some of my best mates here share your same feeling. Dead horse out back, 3 wakes for a dollar.
NBI Red Onion – Did a reactions to the Everton game. Had a wedding to go to after the Fulham game. If you want me to put my life on hold to write match reactions, that isn’t going to happen. The last time I did match reactions two days later, I had lots of naggy old lady comments like yours complaining that it was too late. So if I’m not going out after a game, I’ll write the reactions. If I am, then I won’t. Like it or lump it.
Come on Scott – you get great cred out of this blog. I don’t understand the like it or lump it comment. People who joined en mass originally did so to read what you wrote. It’s a compliment. Obviously, noting down your reactions post a game as soon as is ideal, but you don’t seem like the type of guy to be scared of writing a late write up on your own blog. There is demand for your content, match analysis is the main part of that. And a genius like you, I am sure you can trot out a good note in under an hour.
NBI Red Onion
You claim that you started reading this blog for StR’s match analysis.
What a pity that you then chose to repeatedly call for the death of Dimitar Berbatov.
Also shameful was your vile expressions on the sexual activities of moms of RoM posters.
Your repeated unsavory attacks on StR and RoM for what you to perceive to be poor performance by our host are unnecessary, undeserved, conceited and selfish.
You are the last person to be entitled to complain or educate people on behaviour.
NBI Red Onion – Tbh, I’m tired of all the moaning. It’s nothing to do with being scared but I’m not going to sit there and take time to write something only to have a load of people moan because it’s two days after the game. Can’t be arsed with it. So if I’m not doing owt after a game, I’ll do a reactions, if I am, then I won’t.