Steve Bruce has made no secret of the fact he would love on loan striker, Danny Welbeck, to remain at Sunderland on a permanent deal. The lad from Longsight has done well in the North East and has obviously benefited with playing week in week out.
However, at United, he would still be fourth in pecking order, which has meant he’s less than certain about his return to United next season. With former reds, Phil Bardsley and Kieran Richardson, who have established themselves in the first team at Sunderland, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that Welbeck would see the appeal in staying.
“I’ve not really thought too much about what I’m going to do, but I’ve really enjoyed my time at Sunderland,” said Welbeck. “It has benefited me massively, just to be around with the big boys week in, week out. I’m delighted with that, but the end of the season will be the time to sit down and think about the future. I’m like anyone else, I want to play every week. Football is my job. I like training hard and then playing in games, but we will just see what happens in the summer.”
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we need this local lad to stay for sure
Get him and Tom back Fergie. Have a horrible feeling though Danny’s move to Sunderland will be permanenent. All hinges on wether Rooney or Berba will still be here. In my opinion they both will be. Thing is though as good as Wellbeck is a striker he gives us wide options should Tony V or Nani get injured.
can’t blame the kid for wanting to play every week and no question his improvement by getting regular games has been huge.anyone know what his contract situation is
I am not convinced the lad is United quality, he has ability but you need more than that to make it with us.
I hope he comes back but I suspect he won’t. I wouldn’t really blame the lad, to be honest. Leaving for money is one thing; leaving because you want to play regularly, is another. This is the perfect illustration of an argument I am forced to trot out every time another deluded fan comes on here and starts blabbering about how our second-string players aren’t good enough and we need to pack the squad with superstars, so that when someone gets injured, our quality will; never dip. As I always say, the trouble is that quality players want regular time. There is no amount of money you can pay someone to sit on the bench, not if they’re still in their prime or have got their future in front of them.
This also highlights another bad aspect of our 451 strategy. It can’t be very encouraging for a young lad like this when there are three guys ahead of him in the line and for one-third of the time, we play only one striker anyway.
If he goes, though, I hope we put a clause in the deal that gives United first option on getting him back.
Fuck. Just read that Hargo damaged his shoulder in training. WTF? Ligament damage, according to the Guardian, and will keep him out for four weeks. Unbelievable. I am not the fatalistic sort, but if I was, I would be saying “His comeback just isn’t meant to happen; for whatever reason, Someone Upstairs (or Downstairs) doesn’t want this to happen.” I mean, you wouldn’t read about it. Well, I guess that’s it. Doubt we’ll ever see him again on a football field, at least not in a United shirt. Shit. Gutted for the guy, but what can you do?
I think I remember Jonny Evans making similar comments once it was his time to return. In my opinion, Danny should get his chance at United next season.
If Wellbeck has any ambition to prove himself as a top notch footballer he’ll be back at United.If he chooses not to then he has settled for mediocraty and as such would be of no use in this club,plenty of run of the mill players doing the rounds we’ll see if he joins them.
If its true than I do not blame him
I think he will come back and get a shot next year. Fergie won’t let him go without giving him a chance at least. He is just trying to say to Fergie, take me seriously or there are plenty of other teams who will take me, and from Fergie’s comments on the website about our loan players I think the message has been received loud and clear.
@King Eric
In my opinion he doesn’t. The lad’s a striker. He can play there no doubt, doesn’t look out of it but his best position is upfront
don’t blame him but if he has any real ambitions he’d stay and fight for his place
Who would he replace in the team? Lets look at our strikers at United, Rooney, Berbatov, Diouf, Kiko, Hernandez and Welbeck. Owen will probably leave in the summer, but that still leaves 6 players, all battling for two positions.
should defineatly be back better option to berbatov for next season and beyond for united
Can’t really blame him.
he’ll definitely get his chance, owen will be gone, diouf is not united quality and bebatov contract wont be extended
Fergie has said Diouf will be back at United for next season. I don’t that intention, from the boss, but who knows, eh?
Lol, I forgot about Diouf. I’d give him another season at Blackburn.
@willie
I don’t see Kiko returning next season. Somehow, I don’t think a 6 month loan spell in Italy will be enough to convince the manager he is ready. So personally, I wouldn’t count on Diouf and Kiko for next season.
Sir Alex Ferguson on Cleverley & Welbeck “They will come back into the first-team squad and they will get plenty of games next season” http://t.co/H94wQ10
@willierednut says
He can replace Diouf,Owen and Kiko. Danny in my opinion is more focused than kiko,more game than Diouf and younger than owen. Hernandez will suffer the inevitable slump in form – second season syndrome;the same thing happened to Johnny Evans.I think we all believe Rooney and Berbs will be here next season but lets wait and see, things can change and one of those players might be on their way
Giggs and Neville in Sky Studio… hope they ask them about the Rio situation.
@willie … “that still leaves 6 players, all battling for two positions.” Actually, mate, it’s not really two positions, is it? More like one and a half, given that so much of the time, we play 451. I reckon that’s about one-third of our matches (anyone keeping track?). And given that unless he’s injured or suspended, Rooney’s starting positions appears guaranteed, you could say there’s five players battling for just one position (which is only available in about two-thirds of our matches).
nani4ever you have to be shitting yourself if you think welbeck is better than berba!! Who in their right minds would not renew the contract of the top scorer in the EPL?!?
Welbeck is no where near berba’s quality and this coming from a berba basher. Welbeck is good and possibly could blossom into United quality but realistically speaking I don’t think i want fergie putting him into the squad just so he can get his match experience to get to that level!! Plus I think kiko with his physique and finishing could just be better than welbeck and that gives us enough options up front.
Shame about welbeck, a few years earlier (when we were looking desperate up front when RVN left) if he had been around he would have had a good shot rotating with saha and rooney and ole because he is sincerely better than freakin dong or smith…but i think hernandez has really made his future at united really bleak (maybe even forcing kiko out), not to mention forcing owen (who i incidentally admire for his professionalism and attitude) out.
TBH with this craaazy times if brucey forks out anything near 12 mil quid I reckon welbeck should be off. Diouf should fetch close to 5 mil, and the jury is still out on cleverely. Really hope cleverely makes it, he looks the part, and with the severe lack of creativity in the centre, he only has to compete with a retiring scholes and giggs, a never to return hargo, a very average carrick, the hardworking but untalented fletcher, and the inconsistent anderson. If he were to do a hernandez and put up some classy first few performances i am sure he will make CAM his own. COME ON LAD!!
Sad to say this welbeck, but we could use the money over a back up player, plus we’ve got park on the flanks if nani/toni ever need replacing, not to mention rooney can fit in there, giggsy as well…
Costas – I don’t know about that mate. Kiko has something about him, which could sway the manager to give him a chance next season.
Even if other players decide to leave (Kiko, Diouf, Owen, even Berba or Rooney), there’s no guarantee those deals will be done before Danny needs to make his decision. The whole world can’t sit still and wait for WR10 to make up his mind about whether he really wants to take a trip to wastelands or madrid. Same with the others, same with everyone.
StatesideAussie – Well, we play 442 at home, most weeks.
Read today that mamé is coming back to us at the end of the season as well. Wellbeck is a great player and has really developed since he went on loan up north. Unfortunately though i feel the move may be good for him. Yes hes come through the ranks here, but with Kiko, Diouf, Rooney, Berba, Chico are all fighting for positions as well itl be a tough season if he only plays a handful of PL games and a few cup games here and there.
As much as i love the kid and can see his potential, i think this move would be for genuine reasons and I personally wish him the best of luck if he stays.
nani4ever … “bebatov contract wont be extended” sorry but that’s nonsense. total crap. Berbatov’s current contract gives the club a one-way right to extend the contract for one year, on the current terms, without having to renegotiate. It’s called a “one-way extension”, and according to most press reports, it’s in Berba’s current deal. That’s why they’re not negotiating with him: because they don’t need to.
@nani4ever “bebatov contract wont be extended” do yo mean extended past 2014 that he’s contracted up to now till his 34 and a half like?
nani4ever – You just won’t do it will you? Admit you were wrong about Berbatov. United’s best player along with Vidic and Nani this season. Yeah lets sell him eh? He won’t be going anywhere pal.
willie – Yeah. I had forgot about Diouf till Fergie mentioned him. I just cannot see him back at United.
Slim – Hello mate. Have you seen Danny on the flanks for Snderland cutting in? He looked pretty good there. As I say he IS a striker BUT gives us wide options in my opinion.
Even CROoney admitted he was wrong about Berbatov.
RED – “Untalented Fletcher” Yeah whatever mate.
willie – Ha. “CROoney” Remember him.
I understand him. We’ve got 7 strikers fighting for a spot, ffs.
8 including King, which has impressed me more than Diouf.
But I hope he is with us next season, because he is our 4th best striker imo
@King Eric
Im 99% sure Micheal CROoney and Manunitedchanps2008 were 1 in the same
Berbagod
I can see King getting called up to be 4th striker or maybe 5th next season
@King Eric
Went around looking for some footage after your initial post and gotta say saw a few nice moments from him cutting in. Something tells me this debate is going to morph into the “midfield” issue,especially if STR has called it a day today. Or maybe if wales wallop Ingurland today and tiny tears starts bawling his eyes out again
Basically, the key way in which this question will be answered turns on WayneBoy’s future with the club –
Will he be sold ? (probably not)
Will he be the lead-the-line guy ? (probably not)
Will he be used “in the hole” as an attacking midfielder ? (most likely)
So, in that third-case scenario, Danny is either going to be duking it out with Chicharito/Dimmy or else playing as the first-choice back-up to Nani/Valencia.
Does he want to be part of a winning team ? (like, say, John O’Shea and Darren Fletcherinho)
Does he want to get guaranteed playing-time ? (like Gerrard Pique or Guissepe Rossi)
In the second-case scenario to this follow-up question, there has to be nagging doubts about playing time. So, if will be SAF’s job to convince him that IF Danny had been at OT this year then there would have been a number of occasions when he would have started and that IF Danny was at OT right now – crunch time – then he’d be playing in big, big matches and not just playing out the string. I figure that IF Fergy makes Danny look at the issue from that perspective then his answer will tell SAF a lot about the guy’s character.
So, if Danny chooses to leave UTD then I’d expect SAF to slap a very, very healthy price-tag on him – 20 million – because he’s proven himself in the EPL and for the Ingerland u21 team as a fast dangerous front man and guys like that don’t grow on trees. Look how much Sunderland got for Darren Bent and he’s much older. Of course, he could also be used as “bait” for another transfer – maybe Rodwell/Henderson in a straight-up swap; either way, Danny has proven his worth as a goal-scorer in the EPL while both of those guys are still works-in-progress.
I’d like Danny to get a chance in the first team, but fitting him in, will be a real poser for the boss.
@King Eric I don’t think Diouf will make it at United, but the manager has said, he’ll be back in the summer.
WillieRedNut @ 14:40: ” CROoney admitted he was wrong about Berbatov.”
Yeah, but, ask WayneBoy a different question – who do you prefer to partner, Dimmy or Chicharito ? – and I’d think you’d get a very different answer.
WillieRedNut @ 14:56: ” don’t think Diouf will make it at United, but the manager has said, he’ll be back in the summer.”
Yeah, but how many chicken nuggets can the new owners at Blackburn pay for him ?
@willie, true. Most weeks. But we play 451 a lot more on away matches, and definitely in Europe. Maybe it isn’t one-third of the matches. Maybe it’s only 25% or 20% or even 10%. Whatever. The point is that even if we always play 442, Rooney appears to have a lock on one of those spots, apart from injuries, suspensions and the needs of rotation. Based on his previous six seasons with us, he averages 47 appearances a season.
I know this is a bit too statistical, but just to illustrate what I mean:
How many matches do we play in a year? If we start the year with the Community Shield, that’s 1. The PL is 38. If we go all the way in the FA Cup, that’s 6. Plus 6 in the group stage of the CL, and another seven if we go all the way to CL final. The Carling Cup is a maximum of 6. So, for an entire ‘quadruple’ season, we have 1+38+6+6+7+6=64 matches.
Now let’s assume we play 451 in the 13 Euro matches, and against the top 4 major domestic teams (home/away). That gives us 21 matches with a lone striker, and WR10 is the preferred choice there. For the remaining 43 matches, we have two strikers, for a possible 86 starting spots. But Rooney will also play in the majority of those — about 26 of them, based on his season average. That leaves 50 starting positions for “the others” to fight over. Berba and Hernandez will carve up most of those between them — and that includes the Carling Cup. But 50 starting spots a year isn’t really enough to keep the two of them happy, is it? 25 starts each, in a whole season across four different competitions, assuming we go all the way in all of them? Bugger all, really.
I realize the numbers will be different based on injuries and suspensions and rotation etc. But also, we don’t usually go all the way in those comps either. So that’s the dilemma that faces a youngster trying to force his way into the team. That’s all I am trying to highlight.
denton davey – He started with a flourish at Blackburn, but has somewhat stagnated since that early promise. I see him being sold, or another loan spell, somewhere else.
Welbeck should certainly replace Owen in the picking order. Berba and Rooney the top two and the back-up of Chico and Welbeck I’d be happy with.
Lampard has proper moobs
I dont think the striking apartment is where we should be worried.
we have got a luxury problem there more than anything.
The 2-3 other parts of the field is more of a worry.
the endless injury problems in defense..
the underperforming midfield..
vds’s retirement.
To debate wether Hernandez or Berba should play is also meaningless..
It’s probably about who is performing best in training..
recently Hernandez have futured a lot and he is in a good run of form.
For the strikers it’s always periods of good/bad form and confidence throughout the season..
StatesideAussie – Next season, is a new season, though? Rooney could be sold, or he could get a bad injury, who knows. Nothings certain, is the point I’m making. If Rooney stays and finds his true form, you can’t leave him out. It will be him and another. We do play 451/433 for the bigger games, but Rooney has switched to left on occasions, with Berbatov being the olne striker. My original point is, the boss will find it hard to fit all these players in. I see comings and goings, this summer. Interesting times ahead.
2 0 England. Wales are horrible. Sorry FITB.
GHTT Cheers mate. I saw a couple of links to that story about SAF wanting Danny and Tom back for the summer for a good look over. Hope they impress!
http://thebusbyway.com/2011/03/26/sir-alex-ready-to-welcome-starlets-back-into-the-fold/
This will all be done in the summer. I think Welbeck is just “playing it safe”. He’s obviously having a storming season under Bruce, and is not going to kill the chances of a permanent move to Sunderland (where he has fitted in well and knows very well he will continue to get games) by saying he can’t wait to come back to United.
Any striker would fear for their pecking order if they had Hernandez in their team putting in such a first season. Considering Welbeck’s in the same age group, he has to be realistic doesn’t he. Though I’m sure he won’t be angling for a move if SAF speaks with him and tells him he’ll get his chances. He may enjoy his football anywhere, but it’s never quite the same as at OT and with United. Maybe SAF will say to him and Sunderland, come back for 7 months and Sunderland will get first priority in January 2012 if things don’t work out for him back at United.
As long as the players do not clamour for higher wages with their contract renewals, and the fans do not clamour for more new marquee signings such as NameYourFavePlayerWhoHasBeenHypedUpByThePapersAndOtherMediaOrThoseYouHaveBoughtAsAnArmchairManagerInFootballManager, we can afford to keep a large squad. That means seeing Welbeck and Macheda fight it out for the 4th striking spot. I’ve no doubt SAF likes Welbeck for his ability to play on the left.
Willie – I said in a previous post on the last thread…Wales to come back from 2-0 down to win 3-2 with Terry scoring an own goal in the final minute. The plan is on track
Yor Yor – Belting line and so true :
“NameYourFavePlayerWhoHasBeenHypedUpByThePapersAndOtherMediaOrThoseYouHaveBoughtAsAnArmchairManagerInFootballManager”
Gotta hate – Now then mate, you well? Hhhmm Not sure. Michael and manunitedchampions2008 certainly the same person but not sure about CRoney. He was Croatian. Not sure Michael was. I actually thought (and he knows it) rooney is the new king / fergie is the boss was Michael as they both spelt “few” as “phew” but don’t think he is. I actually like FITB posts, they amuse me.
Bastard. My old man just said Ingerlund are pissing it. Fuck sake. Was hoping for an upset. Not like Fatty Frank to get a pen. Horrible cunt. How bad are Wales? Piss poor I would imagine. Well not gonna watch the game now when I get home as I cannot do with the fawning over them and more so led by that bastard. Cue the Engl;ish media to go into overdrive now how they can win the Euro’s and World Cup blah blah blah.
denton – Hello mate. I would hate to use Danny in a makeweight for Henderson. The other way round more like. Henderson would be a make weight for Danny. Yes I know I rated Henderson early doors but in my opinion he aint a United player, not by a long shot. Ponderous, slow, not great positionally, not a particularly good passer of the ball and not that tough.
denton – Sorry mate . I wasnt suggesting you mentioned a makeweight deal BUT thats what the press seem to insist.
@willie … “My original point is, the boss will find it hard to fit all these players in.” Yep, on that point, we are in violent agreement
That’s all I was trying to say (in my usual long-winded fashion). Of course, if Rooney leaves, that would free up a lot of opportunity for the others, Danny included. Even if Rooney moves into a MF spot (either center or left wing), that would free up some spots. I was just trying to look at it from Danny’s point of view. The rise of Hernandez has caused a “problem” already for Berbatov, but it’s a much bigger “problem” for the others who are already further back in line.
Of course, it’s a nice “problem” to have, but only to a point. If it means good players leave, then it’s not so nice, but what can you do? Even if we ignore Rooney, Berba and Hernandez are both good enough to expect the lion’s share of starts. Players want to play, and the Carling Cup plus a handful of appearances in the PL/FA Cup (mostly as a sub) probably isn’t going to cut it for some like Danny. I do hope he stays, because longer term, Berba won’t last forever, and so Danny and the Little Pea could well be our next front pairing (again, ignoring Rooney for whatever reason).
The thing with most of us fans is that we fall to easily for that fools gold, i know berbatov is a class player i’ve known that since he was at tottenham, his touch is brilliant and he is the top scorer this season but here’s my point what as he done his first two season, what did he do last season when we needed a striker in the quart finals of the champion league or for the rest of the season after rooney was injured. Now this season he’s had a few brilliant games i’ll give him that, one in particular the liverpool game when he scored that hat trick i was left speechless and i had to just tip my hat, that was the brilliance but if u look closely over the season he has scored 20 goals with most of his goals coming in about 6 or 7 games and there’s a reason for that is not coincidental, for his great touch he slows down our play and 9 out 10 times if he gets a through ball even 5 feet ahead of him he wont get it, our style of play does not match he plays slow build up passes and we play quick aggressive counter stacking play and most of all he is 30 years old and this is the premiership he’s not getting any younger, we should sell him now to a bundisliga team for 12 – 15 mill while he still has value
What Danny really needs is to get on a team that gets more games. Maybe even some European experience. If there isn’t a spot for him next season, I hope we move him for a loan with a club that shows a bit more diversity of attack. Nothing against Bruce, but Sunderland won’t likely feature in Europe and really only have one or two looks to the formation. And Sunderland fans, deary me. Need to avoid letting Steve lull our top talent with football with little vision. Danny is sure to loose his appetite for the top if all he has to aspire to is the Sunderland first 11.
If SAF rates him he’ll be back, can’t understand clamour for our reservists to return as if they where going to immediatley improve the team, as much as I’d like it to be true I’d sooner trust in the manager.
I too am not 100% sure if rooney will be here next season but most of u are crazy if think rooney not in the team makes us better because on form he is the closest ting we have to a world class striker for all the baggage he brings.
nani4ever … fool’s gold? Berbatov? You’re kidding, right?
Nani4ever –
What does Berbatov need to do to prove himsef to some of you?!!!
Top scorer not enough? Where would we be this season without his goals??
Nani4ever – what did you snort this afternoon?
Wow! Fantastic News! I love it when loan spells go well for our young stars.
It is tremendous that Danny is fitting in at Sunderland. The happier he is there, the better.
I’m glad to hear that he hasn’t been casting longing glances at United while putting on a
brave face at his ‘foster’ club.
Well done Danny, keep it up lad! We look forward to the remainder of your successful season, and await your return with expectant anticipation. Enjoy!
I won’t speak in certain terms because no one knows what the story is. But logic says that a decision has to be made about Berb this summer since his contract runs out in 2012. Who knows? Maybe negotiations are going better than we think.
Good Day Red friends! Come on Wales!
nani4ever – Dimitar Berbatov 47 goals in 120 games. That record stands up to ANY in World Football. Not to mention what else he brings to the team.
Rai – he is a great backup option berbs is if chico really does become the player many think he will become, but at the end of the day he has never truly fit into the united system of today. We dont have the midfield to back it up, and the way rooney can lift the team he is one of the phew leaders on the pitch. Berbs maybe our topgoalscorer but no one has truly stood out week in week out, I will give vidic and VDS have been 5 stars but the rest have bene inconsistant for different reasons.
nani4ever – How the fuck can we play “counter attacking” when teams like Brum and Wolves park the bus? Berbatov is vital in these games, hence his winner last week. You are clutching at straws pal.
As much I love Danny as a player, 6 goals in 23 games is not a good enough return. I say let him stay in Sunderland for one more year and if he scores 15 goals in 30 games next season, bring him back to Old Trafford and displace Berbatov, who by then will be around 32 years old. If he doesn’t, then sell him for a good price.
Rooney subbed off v Wales. Thank goodness no injuries. Might get sent home as well since his yellow means he misses the next international.
I’d love it if Berba stays with us for another 5-6 years, right until his retirement. The man oozes class and has always treated the club with respect unlike some others (*cough* Mr. Ambition *cough*)
Ideally I’d like to see us with a front four of Rooney, Hernandez, Berba and Welbeck for the next year or two. Macheda has the potential to be world class, but he could do with a season or two out on loan to get a few things sorted.
My lineup for 2011-12:
Neuer/Lindegaard
Rafael/OShea Vidic/Evans Rio/Smalling Evra/Fabio
Valencia/Park Cleverley/Ando Fletch/Carrick Nani/Giggs
Berba/Hernandez Rooney/Welbeck
Nani4ever tends to spout narrow minded bollocks
@Saad
Welbeck is more of a second striker mate, he usually plays in a Del Piero-esque role. I have a feeling he’ll be brilliant alongside a poacher like Hernandez.
Fletch – The next competitive game for England is June. That won’t affect United. I think there is a friendly on Tuesday, Ghana, England play.
Anyone watching Ingerlund game how has Wilshire played? The way they are banging on the mail site he has produced one of the best performances since Keano in Turin. I bet he has been ok, just ok.
FITB – We need 3-4 top strikers to be competing. Berbatov is a class act and age has nothing to do with his abilities. Yes we know he doesn’t have pace but neither did Sheringham/Bergkamp and look how well they performed in their thirties. Berbatov won’t lose that touch or awareness so I see no reason why he shouldn’t be offered a 4 year contract or 3 year extension. You say Rooney is one of the few players who can lift the team?! He said they weren’t good enough a few months ago!!!!!
King Eric – pedestrian performance by all of them. Wonder boy Wilshere has been average against a poor team
If he is United quality (which appears to be the case) then Fergie makes his mind desired way
mattbw7 tends to submit quality posts that are well considered, logical and informed.
He also does a great range of 1-liners!
Rai – Pointless mate trying to get how good Berbatov is across to some. They have alreday made up their minds and will never give him due credit. Berbatov is one of the finest players I have had the pleasure of watching yet some want him fucking sold. We wan more players like Berba if anything, not sell the fucker!
Rai – Cheers mate. The tosser on the mail live site said he has been VERY impressive. I knew it would be just overhyped nonsense.
Nani4Ever
What did he do last season ? The same as the rest of the team he played to set Rooney up as we were playing main man football and Rooney was designated main man and as a result it all went tits up at the end.
Costas … Berbatov’s original contract was for 4 years so it would expire after one more season, in 2012. But that contract also gave the club a unilateral option to extend by one more year. That’s according to reports I read (I haven’t actually seen the contract myself, of course!). They can take up that option at any time, without renegotiating with him. That would keep him here until 2013, when he will be 32. So there’s no pressure to re-sign him this summer or lose him on a “free” at the end of next season. All they need to do is say “Dimi, we’re exercising our option and extending for one more year”. What I understand is that the club has in fact offered a new deal, basically as a reward for his performances this season, but there is disagreement over the length of it. He wants three years, they have offered two. But if that one-year extension clause really is there, this might not be resolved this summer. The club can then put pressure on him. This time next year they can say “Your choices are a new two-year deal, or we’ll just exercise our option to extend the current deal by a year.”
@ King Eric
Yeah mate he was just ok, their pissing themselves on talkshite over his performance, scott parker completely over shadowed him but all the talk is going to be about how that little midget is the best ever english player an all the other predictable media bullshit. Wilshire had a good game but wasn’t that good scott parker deserves all the praise today. But I’m not impressed wales were never going to do anything today even if bale played wales are shit and so are england.
@Sad
Your forgotten that Danny has played on the left wing for most of the season. He would have a few more goals if he was played up top all the time.
King Eric – they can judge him when he plays against a proper team in a few weeks time, till then he just remains an odd bodied over hyped soft twat…
With the Berbatov thing, I agree I’d love to see more players of guile at United. Too much emphasis nowadays on physical players, powerful players. Fuck that we don’t need muscle heads leave those for City
Dela, Neuer has said he has no intention of leaving Germany. You guys can look back to last summer when I said as much. Very unlikely that we will ever see germany or spains number ones playing for our first team. To much history and money in their home leagues. No surpirse. Thought I was going to have to eat my words when Pique was looking good for us and spain, but look how that turned out. Mark my words, we won’t get Neurer, Adler or De Gae. Might get De Gae but it will mean a temp deal until he becomes spain number one. Call me cynical, but we have no one else from spain and 1999 still looms as a really big deal in Germany.
DRE FU – Cheers mate.Yeah I thought the cunts on talksport would be giving it large. He is all they fucking go on about. Day after fucking day they bang on about him. Well I am glad the likes of Morrison and Cleverley are going under the radar. Just wait till they hear about Morrison’s ability. Different class to that midget,
FletchTHEman
Your point about Neuer and de Gea is right, but Adler has come out and stated that he has been a United supporter all his life and would love to join us. I vaguely even remember reading thathe has a 20 mn euro buyout clauses hould United approach him- not too sure about it though. If it’s true, I think Fergie will swoop in, considering the barrage of clowns who filled in as our goalkeepers in between Schmeichel and VDS.
@ King Eric
Exactly i try to listen to talksport but no more after today mate seriously. their not experts their just past it footballers with biased opinions with nothing better to do fuck talkSHITE and colly-flower. i cant wait for morrison an cleverly i dont want to turn into an ARSE fan an over rate them but morrison is special, but King Eric mate i bet when morrison starts to get credit an look like a world class talent the media are gonna bring up his history about the court charges and shit, they love to do this to our players. dont be suprised if it does happen.
Dre.FU – Yeah you are spot on mate. Thats exactly what they will do, call him a criminal and all that bollocks.
So this was the tough game that demanded that Terry was reinstated as captain? I know managers have to be respectful, but that’s BS right there.
@FletchTHEMAN
Engloand play a friendly in midweek. Does Rooney yellow prevent him from playing there? If so, that’s good news.
@Stateside Aussie
Ah cheers mate. I remember discussing it with you recently. Good to know some further details on the matter. So since there’s no pressure, we will probably let it be for the time being and begin talks with Berba next season.
Costas – he misses the qualifier I think mate…Swizerland I think they said
@costas – I think he misses the next game against switzerland, but he can play against ghana since it is a friendly….not 100% sure though.
@Rai, united.george
Thanks guys. Well, since Rooney won’t play in the next group game, maybe Capelol should send him home and use the Ghana game to experiment who he will replace him with.
King Eric @
nani4 ever – How the fuck can we play “counter attacking” when teams like Brum and Wolves park the bus? Berbatov is vital in these games, hence his winner last week. You are clutching at straws pal.
what the fuck are u talking about vital to what, he came on and did jack shit except to tap in the ball from 5 yards out, that exactly the fools gold that i was talking about, his name appears on the score sheet as the match winner but he had nothing to do with that goal, the goal was created by nani taking that game by the scruff of its neck in the last 10 minutes, the only way berbatov strive is if we get in 1 or two top quality cm, so for that reason i have to agree with ” mr ambition” because to have player like gibson in the team is fucking unbelievable, and to all the fans who disagree ask yourself this, which other top team would he get into. Ireland? lol what a fucking joke
@ nani4ever
Find it difficult to read your post most likely its that i find your thoughts mind boggling. Okay take for instance;one of your reasons for selling berbatov. You said we play quick aggressive counter stacking play.
There are many games when guile and tact are needed to win the game.
Liverpool game is a perfect example of games we’ve had this season and games will continue to have where possession of the ball is critical taking into consideration of yours that we’re all about this fast aggressive play we employ. Now thats just one instance of some of the most painfully obvious things you fail to see.
For the sake of argument,whats your take on how we move forward should we decide to sell him ?
I think De Gea could play for us for a long time if we do sign him and he proves a success. He probably won’t be number one for spain for another 6-7 years with Casillas only being 29 and goalkeepers usually getting better towards their last few years.
And the only club that would be able to sign him from us is Barcelona really unless he goes to Madrid and completely betrays Athletico.
nani4ever
“except to tap in the ball from 5 yards out”
You must not be a fan of Chicharito too!
Costas – If Capello had any sense…that wouldn’t be a problem. Capello will probably want Rooney around the squad but Fergie will be thinking what we are..
@Costas
you sound a bit pessimistic about berba these days and i’m mildly surprised.Like you’re worried he could be out the door this summer and to be honest i get the feeling as well But you’re probably right,with young players coming back and in a decision will most likely be have to be made. All the signs point to it
Ecuador v Columbia plying now w TonyV, Currently Columbia are up a goal from a good free kick. Tony playing Right mid and largley out of the game due to the style of play. Not much to watch so far.
@Costas. Believe WR10 misses the next qualifier, but hope capello sends him home since the friendly will be meaningless. A number of our U21s were released because the next game is meaningless for them. Stewart Pierce is doing a good job with respect to club management issues with the U21s.
I can understand the lads confusion, he’s a local lad who supports United so if he suspects he even has half a chance at Old Trafford the desire to go back will be there, but at he’s getting alot more games at Sunderland and is doing well for himself so i suspect, with Steve Bruce being there, he’s going to sign for Sunderland on a permanant deal.
Shame if he goes because i’d love to see more Mancunians in our squad like it was back in the day, but if he does decide to leave best of luck to him, he’ll be another player who goes on to do well thanks to our acadamy system.
Nani4ever – “what the fuck are u talking about vital to what, he came on and did jack shit except to tap in the ball from 5 yards out”
THAT’S HIS FUCKING JOB HE’S A STRIKER.
Dela, I saw that issue about Adler. Never thought he was Steeles first joice though. Think they prefer Steklenberg to be hones. Maybe an outside chance with Adler. Bet you a jelly doughnut that he looses the Germany shirt if he comes over. Guess it is good he plays for Leverkusen and that those lads aren’t as “in” with the german national team. Must be sick of being runners up.
It’s not just a section of United fans, that aren’t convinced about Berbatov. The manager isn’t 100% convinced by him, or he wouldn’t leave him out of certain games. If Berbatov or Rooney were to leave, It would open the door for Welbeck. I think there will be a few surprises this summer. With the young players on the brink of the first team squad and hopefully one or two additions this transfer window, things are looking exciting for the coming seasons.
Opposition managers are unable to properly focus or fully prepare their defense for matches against United. This may appear to be solely due to Sir Alex’ philosophy of changing the team every week, but that alone is not true. It is only when you consider the ‘variety’ of striking options we have available in conjunction with SAF’s unpredictable selections that our foe’s pre-match dilemma is created.
Neither Sir Alex, nor Berbatov have any intention of the Bulgarian leaving United.
Really hope Danny returns and becomes a success, Top lad and from Manchester to.
RE Berba
Found this from his manager:
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=126662
Seems to dispel all talk of exit
Doesn’t Adler have a clause in his contract, that permits him to talk to United, if we make an offer? I wouldn’t rule that one out. I like De Gea, but maybe he doesn’t have the experience just yet.
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/columnist/hunter_graham/id/6246962/graham-hunter-why-david-de-gea-manchester-united-keeper
Interesting piece on David De Gea by Graham Hunter.
slim@
ok the first thing we need to do is get rid of the dead wait or incapables.
sell, release or retire
bebe – sell
obertan – year long loan in the prem
gibson – out, i dont care where
diouf – sell
berbatov – sell
hagreeves – release
Red Nev – retire
Ginger Prince – probably retire
wes brown – probably leaving
vds – i really hope he stays another year
bring back, buy or promote
cleverly and welbeck
Ravel Morrison – Promote
Paul Pogba – Promote
and either petrucci or tunnicliffe
buy a top quality midfielder – sahin/kagawa/defour
top quality GK – stekleneburg/adler/neuer
stekleneburg/neuer
rafa rio/smalling vida/evans evra/ fabio
valiencia/Park, defour/petrucci, fletcher/pogba, nani/giggs
rooney/cleverly/ravel
hernandez/wellbeck
bench
lindegard
tunnicliffe
carrick
jos
king
It’s simple.
Make Rooney Paul Scholes’ replacement.
Berbatov and Hernandez = first team striker
Macheda and Welbeck = subs
Get rid of Diouf and Owen, stick King on the bench.
Ryan – Interesting article by Hunter on De Gea. Fergie has Ronnie doing his scouting for him lol.
@ nani4ever – If you keep digging mate eventually you will find your fools gold. When Berbatov came on vs Bolton he held onto the ball and didn’t give it away. Seems to me your basing all your evidence on what you see on the box which do a lot of players injustice. Get yourself to a game and WATCH. He may not have been in the team recently but with as many games as we have coming up in the next few weeks there will be a lot of rotation. Rooney won’t start all the games and as good as he can be Rooney gives the ball away a hell of a lot more than Berbatov and he loses it a lot more when hes on the ball as well.
I swear some people have been on the piss early today.
Evening all true reds
Heres my team for next season
Buffon in goal
Rafael RB
Vidic CB
Smalling CB
Evra LB
Buy Back Ronaldo on Wing
Xavi
Iniesta
Nani LW
Messi
Rooney
Oh wait this isn’t Football manager!!!
Can’t see the Glazers sanctioning that NRD!
NRD
Cracking post! lol
I see some fans still spouting shit about Berba…. How pathetic
Sell Berba buy Bent!
CedarsDevil addressing himself at 18:22! Good evening Sir!
NRD
You mean Marcus right?
Ryandunny@
“except to tap in the ball from 5 yards out” You must not be a fan of Chicharito too!
i am a huge fan of the little pea, he fits or style perfectly. his pace, his movement off the ball and his composer in front of goal absolutely magnificent. The only flaw in his game is his close control skill, he needs to work that because the ball seems to get away from him sometimes.
@willie not just to talk mate he had a clause built in if utd bid a certain amount he has to be sold.forget the figure think between 15 to 18 mill,the lad is a utd fanatic
Evening sir smart
Bring back RedScot!
Sorry, STR!
What you talking about Willie
Marcus Bent would suit our style of play brilliantly, I heard he wants to retire at the end of the season. SAY IT ISN’T SO MARCUS.
Oh please say it isn’t so Marcus. do not give up on the chance to play for your 39th club..please
We all know you make Berba look like a joke
Ah! Back to the good old days. Sell Berba buy Heskey.
@slim
Nothing has changed about the way I feel about him mate. He is still one of my favorite United players right now. I am just a bit pessimistic about his contract situation because it’s been obvious in the last month that Fergie doesn’t consider him an automatic first choice. But if the situation is like Stateside Aussie descrived it, then there’s nothing to worry about for the time being. We just have to get used to the fact that despite all his brilliance this season, Sir Alex will use him when he sees fit.
NRD ur a clown
Wayne – Thought so mate. Eric Steele was over in Germany, a few weeks ago, watching him and Neuer. We know the latter, doesn’t want to leave Germany, so maybe Adler might get his move.
For some reason I keep picturing Sir Alex on the big white way-retro phone! Ha Ha Ha!
He is the Godfather of managers! And he rules heaven on Earth.
He is, therefore we are.
Ryandunny says:
“except to tap in the ball from 5 yards out”
You must not be a fan of Chicharito too!
Haha! Word.
@Fletch
That’s great to hear about our young lads. If Smalling is part of that group, then that means he can rest for a week. He needs it given the amount of games he’s played recently. Kudos to Pearce. As for Capello, I hope he makes the right move. I still have nightmares about the Egypt game where he allowed Rooney to play there for 86 minutes, even though it was just a friendly.
Oh no nani4ever in all his infinite wisdom called me a clown. Whatever shall I do SOB SOB. Have you actually ever watched a game live? Seriously have you? All your comments sound like a 10 year old whos been reading Shoot magazine. I appreciate not everyone gets to watch United live because of where they are in the world. If you live in the British Isles and your over 16 you really don’t have an excuse in my book. You clearly don’t have a clue on what talent is. Counter Attacking Football will not get us through all 55 odd games a season it didn’t in 99 nor in 08 among many other years.
We ARE indeed my fellow die hard red
M. Bent and Rooney up front the stuff dreams are made of!
OMG OMG Georgia just scored against Croatia ……….
(How bored am I watching such crap)
NRD
Would rather have Heskey and M . Bent…. Hence sell Rooney buy Heskey
Nani4ever- it’s not your fault. You’re obviously addicted to Football Manager.
Cedars – I’m watching Germany. You have to get your fix, somehow.
Sell Nani buy Bentley.
@Notorious
You are deluded. Isn’t obvious the club missed the boat on Andrew Carroll?
@ Cedars Devill if thats the case then we need to have Heskey and Rooney up front with Pennant and Etherington on the wings. Need to sell Valencia and Nani to finance all of this though.
@Cedars
Hi mate. Georgia did Greece a favour right there. Georgia as a name brings back awful memories from my high school, but at least the country isn’t that bad.
Too right Costas. Absolutely shocking we missed out on Andy Carroll the best centre forward since Kevin Francis. Its a joke we didn’t get him. His pony tail was worth £15 million on its own!
Sell them all and buy Wilshere, seems he is the new GOD of English football
No mate the key signing is Paul Konchesky, Sell Evra buy Konchesky.
NRD …. LOL
Costas, was she a heart breaker mate?
NRD it wont win all the games, but unless the quality of our CM improves that is what is going to win us most of the games.
Nrd. Hello mate. Nanifourever won’t get to a fucking game he is quite happy in his armchair playing football manager. Without sounding a cunt he talks absolute shite. Berba did jack shit EXCEPT be in the right place when the rebound came. He still hasn’t responded to my post that clearly shows berbas record matches anyone in football. Forty seven goals in one hundred and twenty starts. If he did go the game he would be booing the lads if they weren’t five nil up aty halftime. Sorry but I have no time for idiots like that. Berbatov is a fucking genius.
Is it me or did rooney show more passion celebrating bents goal than he has all season for united?
Finally de gea? Keep reading he is the perfect replacement for edwin. He is fucking twenty and not fit to fasten edwins boots. Plus I aint too keen on the spanish. He has looked ok at atletico but a different level altogther. Fucking lindergaard has more experince. No for me edwins replacement has to be around late twenties at least. Not sure who like but I will leave that to fergie. Have a feeling with all the usual suspects names touted around that fergie may just throw a curveball.
No, he’s the Godess.
NRD
What about Almunia in for VDS? That would be genius
He might throw a curve ball, Barry Bonds then?
Andy Carroll looks a lot like Edge from the WWE.
@ King Eric – Hi mate I’m good thanks. I try not to think about the goalie position but I think you’re right about Fergie throwing a curve ball on that topic, not seen much of De Gea but Casillas was class when he that age but he did get dropped for a while to Cesar Sanchez so 20 is probably too young. Didn’t watch the ingurland game, my boycott started today although was pleased to hear Rooney got subbed. Personally I can’t wait for the season to end because all thats been dominating our season in the media is fucking Rooney. If he’s here 01.09.11 the indifference has to stop if he isn’t Good fucking riddance based on non-footballing reasons of course.
Our team can attack on all fronts if we buy back Foster to replace Edwin, Sol Cambell in defence, Strike partnership of Carrol and Heskey, Lucas in mid and well, we already have Bebe and Obertan on the wing.
Or fuck it! We can sell every player and buy Wilshere!
@Cedars
She really was. It just never worked out. You win some you lose some, as they say.
@boogeyman
True. Only Carroll isn’t talented.
shubhangmanred
Brilliant mate, cracked me up
What a horrible thing to say about Edge! I’m disappointed boogeyman.
Costas
Give me an address I will have her sorted for you buddy
Get Igor Stepanovs of FK Jurmasla. A Swap deal involving Vidic plus £10 million should be enough to persuade them to part.
nani4ever, good evening. You are well, I hope?
I chose the name ‘smartalex’ out of respect for the genius of Sir Alex. – ‘Smart Alex’
I was foolish. No one has ever made that connection.
I don’t know why you chose your name, but I guess. Right or wrong, sub-consciously I guess.
Nani4ever is a nine year old, with access to his big brother’s computer.
Right or wrong, your chosen username has puerile connotations.
That may be why I struggle to validate most of what you say, despite your conviction.
Good luck with the Easter Bunny, and don’t forget to brush those teeth!
NRD should officially become the club’s transfer adviser, pure genius
@Cedars
Lol, thanks mate, but you don’t have to. I got over her eventually. I just scratched that name from future possible girlfriends.
Costas – Don’t give Cedars nowt, he still owes me money.
King Eric @
47 in 120 lol funny u were talking about darren bent cus those or his kinda of numbers, not Rud Van Nisteroy, he is a united class striker
Notorious. Yeah mate that’s what I think. If wayne is still here come september all this ill feeling will calm down. Its the feeling of getting burnt again that bothers us. For what its worth I DO think he will be here next season. Loved your comment about nani4ever sounding like he has read shoot magazine. Ha ha.
Had to laugh at stans phone in. You could not make it up. The opening jingle to his show goes summat like “barnes, still barnes to collymore. Goal”. For fuck sake is he STILL dining out on that four three game from sixteen year back? Ha. What a cunt. Yes it was a decent game stan but that’s it. No more. You didn’t win owt. You scored a winner in a football match.
Willie
Very cheeky indeed…. Hmmm
Who on earth is Nisteroy by the way?
quid pro quo
Greece should return the favour, and ‘do Georgia right there’ when they meet again.
Sorry to harp on, but Georgia sounds like the perfect girl for a fun evening.
Gee! Orgy? Ah!
Smartalex @
yea banter, but i choose the name because i saw nani for what he was worth to the team when everyone was against him, and i know he’s top quality and top 5 best players in the world right now to me. Even though my name is nani4ever that say nothing to love and respect to this club because long after nani is gone it will still be united4ever and the number 1 club in the world. just like it was after sir bobby, after the busby babes, after best, after hughes/Robson, after ronaldo, after nev/scholes/giggs and even after the great man himself it still forever will be united.
smartalex
Sounds yummy indeed
nani4ever, a superb post at 19:34! I love being right about being wrong!
That cunt Ozil was in the lost boys. He was the little mad cunt, Eddie Monster. The fucker looks drained.
Pity we missed out on Ozil
Smartalex @
yea you guys have to bear with me am just so passionate about the club and how the standards have fallen a bit especially when the whole england as gone crazy over jack wilshire and bale, when i know in nani and cleverly we have way better players, but i’d be over joyed if ravel or pogba plays some part in next season, that’s after we’ve collected 19 this year thou.
French – - > English
Le – - – - > the
ban – - – > applause / fanfare
on – - – - > we / you / they
Lebanon – - > We the fans are United.
ps this is not a serious translation. Love Lebanon!
The country of beautiful women, great food, music and nut cases loves you too smartalex…..
Nani4ever. You really are clutching at straws pal. Its not hundred and twenty starts its appearances and by anyones standards forty seven goals in hudred and twenty app is pretty fucking impressive. One in two and half almost. There is nothing to dispute , the figures speak for themselves. Then factor in his assists and general all round play. He never gives the ball away. He can beat opponents at walking pace without breaking sweat. He has superb vision. He gets out of tight spots with two or three men on him. He sets up goals. He can pass. Hold up play. Brings others into play I could go on. For me he is worth the entrance fee alone on his day.
Smartalex. Evening mate. I must confess I didn’t make the connection of your moniker with fergie. I assumed you were called alex. I dare say a few others did too.
nani4ever, it will have to be you that is patient. Your passionate, outspoken manner; when combined with some of your left-field thoughts; is incendiary. Many reading your sweeping statements will start forming a response immediately. Those that know you will be even quicker to call out, as some of your known notions re-ignite under any conditions. Good luck, don’t take out the gum-guard.
Nani4ever. Two last good posts pal. See I don’t just argue for the sake. Only if my opinion differs. That’s what the blog is all about.
King Eric. Evening mate. A smartalex by any other name is just as thorny, so all good!
Fletch @ 16:40: “his yellow means he misses the next international.”
Fantastic news for UTD. WayneBoy can concentrate of what’s important and Don Fabio can kiss SAF’s royal purple butt.
Kazakhstan are getting Mullered.
denton davey – England’s next competitive game is in June, won’t matter to United, then.
Big difference between constructive and destructive opinions nani4ever. We are not robots BUT bashing United players for the sake of it will get you what you deserve here buddy….
Nicely put Willie
Watching the Republic here winning 2 nil… Nicer people are the Irish to be fair, nicer women and they do have Guinness of course!
Heard City are tracking a Russian striker called forfucksakehesamileoff.
Hahahahahaha
Same report reckons city are after young keeper Boris von Bananaskinsky.
Reports also coming through of a chase after winger Stepan Fallova.
Fucking hilarious
God finished creating the earth and heavens and then he gathered his angels and said ‘ Now I will create the most beautiful country on earth, great people, lovely lands, great weather and I shall call this country Lebanon’
One confused angel said, but dear God that sounds unfair to the rest of the world…. God replied ‘Just wait and see what neighbours I will give them ‘
City were also offered Wankoff, Mancini replied, we’ve got Balotelli here already.
Rumor that Cities new owners have been listening in on Steele’s cell and will be pounce on the 18M rated Salford born Joe Piktitfromdanet and have sent scouts to view the highly rate Polish lad Worserecoveryeverovsky.
Good game..Portugal vs Chile
Get to watch Alexis, Patricio and Nani.
Mexico v Paraguay just started as well….Chicharito starts.
Portugal leading Chile 1-0
Chicharito scores ! what else is new…..Mexico up 1-0
If we spunk money on a fantasy player, please be It Sanchez.
Viva Hernandez! How good is this boy.
hi lads this has to be the best yet what a fucking joke
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/03/26/manchester-united-plan-25m-move-for-tottenham-playmaker-rafael-van-der-vaart/
Great goal by Chicharito, heading the ball low with two defenders on him….
wtf was the gk doing?
Hernandez scores. In other news, the earth is round.
The earth is round? Fuck every shitty fan I know swears that its square
again hernandez
Wayne – According to that website, we’re gonna sign half of Europe. Total BS.
Make that 2 for Chicharito!!!!
A great goal again!
Chicha again 3-0 Paraguay are wowful.
haha caughtoffside is even worse than daily fail and goal.com
Zehl. Over to you mate. Looks like your feed beats mine by several minutes!
fletchtheman – haha I was just lucky. Thought he scored the second goal too. that’s why I beat you to it by several minutes
Feed the Chich and he will score.
@ willie sign that cunt for 25mill,that is the worst rumor ever.
@costas the earth is a bumpy spheroid not round just goggled it.lol
Oh my god Chicharito is worth 100 million
just went to atdhe.net to pick up the mexico feed the sites been seized by homeland security..yikes
So that’s a hat trick for Chicharito? Glad to see he is taking it easy, lol.
@wayne
Ah, potato potato.
whoa!! is that 3 for Hernandez?
@wayne
try atdhenet.tv
@wayne
saw that last week and that was my reaction too
no, it is 2 for Hernandez, the other was guardado
@wayne – in the US they show it live in HD on Univision.com, the spanish language channel here.
King Eric – Hello mate. Yeah that fucking cunt Collymore loves plugging himself in with that one. Seems to forget that the only thing he did in that game was set us up for the title charge that year with his late winner. Yeah I noticed that with Rooney too, loves fucking Ingerlund doesn’t he? Also extremely gutted to be suspended for the next qualifier against the Swiss. Never mind, I’m sure Capello will manage with the following players for that game:
Crouch – Freeaaak. Always plugging himself in as the world’s greatest centre forward.
Milner – Fat Hod carrying cunt
Downing – No right-foot
Barry – Fat slow cunt
Lampard – Worlds best according to the media in this country. Holds the record for the most shots off-target at a World Cup, including his effort that should have stood against Germany – Ha!
All of those aforementioned players will get England to the Euro’s where they will sweep all before them to win the tournament.
Can’t wait for the Sunday Supplement tomorrow!
He is one Lethal finisher.
The little pea’s on fire!
Hernandez record at international level must be pretty impressive. Again, the scout/scouts deserve a pay rise.
Nani’s corner is scored from! Took a defensive flick on first, and some poor marking, but I think this rates as a direct assist from a corner. Has Nani ever managed that before?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28HHF7Yb-CE&feature=player_embedded
@smartalex
Yeah I think we scored directly from a Nani corner in his first season at the club. When Ronaldo made it 2-0 against the scousers. It may be the last one too, lol.
@Smart alex
same season, away to everton at the start, with vidic scoring the winner.
Chicharito is subbed, gets huge ovation from the fans! great to see!
Chicharito pulled of in the 65th minute. Looked excellent for the mexicans.
King Eric … “He can beat opponents at walking pace without breaking sweat.” I love it when he does that. It’s the ultimate insult, isn’t? It’s how you say “fuck you” in body language.
without ronaldo and nani, portugal look useless….
nani had a good game, but alexi sanchez is pretty good too…those two would look lethal playing together..
@willie … before today, Chicharito had 12 goals for Mexico from 21 appearances. I guess it is 14 for 22 now. Sensational, really.
All the films I’ve seen show Mexico as a hot country so how do the players go at the pace they do non stop,not seen any of them sucking on water bottles nobody with cramp hell they’re not even sweating weird.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1370315/John-Terrys-warning-Rio-Ferdinand-Im-Euro-win.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Warning! Reading this tripe, could make you sick.
Real Red Devil @ 21:46: “Chicharito is worth 100 million”
Isn’t that double what the RentBoyz paid for TheLadyBoy ? Seems about right, then.
Thanks Faddy is a legend, and Costas. Surely the law of probabilities indicates bucket loads of goals from Nani corners are overdue and imminent!
In the movies I’ve seen, border patrol southern yankees chase banditos, and gunslingers are chased by sherrifs; up to the border, no further.
@willie
You stick around the national team long enough and that’s what happens. You get mocked by the British Bullshit. Rio should have retired years ago.
@smartalex
Damn right. It’s the one thing Nani was doing better during his first season than he is now. His set pieces.
@Smart Alex
Just remember though that you can’t be a true united player anymore if you are able to consistently beat the first man with your corners.
StatesideAussie – That’s a staggering goal scoring rate for his country. He’s a goal machine.
Hernandez has 14 goals from 22 apps for Mexico, which is one goal every 1.57 matches. Berbatov has 48 goals from 77 matches for Bulgaria, which is one goal every 1.60 matches. Not much to separate them there. If you look at their career totals (all clubs), Berba has 221 goals from 487 apps, or 1 goal every 2.2 matches. Hernandez has 45 from 114 apps, or 1 goal every 2.53 matches. For United, Berba has 47 from 120 apps (1 per 2.55 games), Hernandez has 16 from 34 (1 per 2.13). They are pretty close. Berba’s club career record is very good for someone who has been playing so long. Chicharito’s United record is better but he hasn’t played that many matches yet.
Correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t Paraguay one of the better teams at WC2010 – got jobbed by the ref against Spain, if memory serves.
So, it’s not like Chicharito is scoring against the likes of Wales ! He scored against France, Holland, Italy and Argentina last summer, too. He’s scored three crucial goals in the CL for UTD and most of his goals for UTD in away games have been game-winners. The kid is just getting better and better and better.
OK, here I go again, how can SAF not play Chicharito as the lead-the-line striker ? I know that a lot of you are big fans of DimitarBerbatov – he of the silky skills – but the truth-of-the-matter is that UTD play more “like UTD” when Chicharito leads the line, WayneBoy is allowed freedom “in the hole” (no pun intended !) and Nani/Valencia provide width. Setting these four up in a diamond formation seems to be the best way to optimize the attack – and that leaves DimitarBerbatov on the outside, looking in.
Odd that – the EPL’s top scorer is being relegated to the bench ! Who would have that Dimmy would be the league’s leading scorer or that Chicharito would take over his job ? But, hey, that’s why they play the games, innit it ?
willierednut – I have run out of superlatives to describe what a total cunt Terry really is.
john terry makes me puke,its going to be hard for me to watch the chelsea game i want to beat those cunts so badly,leeds are the only team i can remember hating more than the rentboys i fucking despise them
Do friendlies count? The mexico v paraguay match was played in California. Mexico play most of the competitive matches in Mexico city at about 7000ft. Most teams find it a nightmare!
StateSideAussie @ 22: 55: the more precise statistic would be goals per minute; Chicharito has been used as a super-sub a lot whereas Dimmy has been a pretty regular starter for most of his career.
I don’t mean to carp too much but sometimes statistics are what Disraeli said – “lies, damned lies, and statistics”. And a lot of my professional work involves statistical analysis !
The key point is that UTD seem to play better as a team with Chicharito than with Dimmy. At least, that’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.
Kings – He’s a deluded cunt mate. You’d think England were playing Spain today, instead of a poor Wales team. Fearless leader, my bollox! The same leader got he runaround in the world cup, against Germany. He wouldn’t lace a fit Rio, or Vidic boots ffs.
Faddy is a legend, then we should let Wayne (or Mike, on occasion) take the corners where we would like to threaten their goal!
Seriously though, the odd Vidic cannonball header, and a few curled place kicks a season should be a given. I have to say that it is apparent that we no longer consider the dead ball threatening, except when we don’t have it.
Defending free kicks became a bit shoddy for a while. Clearly any team benefits from the presence of their top central defenders, but why does it never feel likely that we will score from the dead ball?
Denton Cheers mate. Fair enough to question the managers thinking. But Chicharito himself has said that he has really had to bulk up to manage the speed and physicality of the league. Fact is, United have lots of options and the manager mover the team around alot to give the opposition nightmares. Different looks, different pace. Agree that Hernandez looks a prize. He will get more games, be sure of it.
Denton … it’s an interesting situation. I still believe SAF is using them as “horses for courses”: Hernandez for his pace and his ability slide (or streak) into the space behind the defense; Berbatov for his ability to unlock a massed defense. But hey, in the end it’s a cut-throat business. I would like to keep both, not only because they’re both great, but because they’re different to each other and I think that works. In fact, rooney, Hernandez and Berbatov are all different. There aren’t many teams that can boast two completely different strikers who are both good, let alone three. The tactical flexibility that gives us is very powerful.
Of course, fans will always have their favorites and will always crap on about how their guy is better than the others. Me, I’m just happy to appreciate them all for what they are. I don’t need to argue about whether da Vinci is better than van Gogh, because I prefer a world with both.
As someone pointed out earlier, April is a busy month. 7 matches in 22 days. We are going to need to all three of these guys. I suspect Chicharito will get the more high profile matches in the CL against Chelsea. But if Berba is left to deal with the likes of Bolton, Blackburn and Newcastle in the PL, so what? In all probability, that would give him the responsibility of seeing us home for #19. No shame in that. For me, anyway, those may end up being the most important matches of the season.
Welbeck,just follow your heart and ambition.
I remember watching Ronaldo at a dead ball, and knowing he would probably score. Often.
#Stateside. Good post. I also think it would be the ultimate in tasteless disrespect if the manager didn’t let Berbatov defend his lead in the prem goal scoring chase. Not playing him is tentamount to handing that prize to Tevez. Agreed the argie is sidelined with a major injury. But think Berbatov will be given enough games to ensure that that little award is kept safe with us. I have no problems with rotating
Rooney, Chicho and Berba. Owen will probably see a game or two as well. Looks like Hargo is done and dusted, the poor sod.
@Smart Alex
Vidic is the only real threat in the air for us, If the corner beats the first man then it’s more than likely that it’s target is vidic. Rio never goes up unless we need a goal, Smalling is still inexperienced and O’Shea always seems to make the run to flick the ball on rather than actually waiting in the box to score. Plus Berbatov isn’t great in the air despite the fact that he is quite tall. This means that opposition can mainly focus on shutting vidic down.
SmartAlex @ 23:13: “I remember watching Ronaldo at a dead ball, and knowing he would probably score. Often.”
I know he scored some beauties but I’d imagine that this goal/shot ratio wasn’t particularly spectacular.
Denton. Hernandez also scored against spain post world cup. The kid is gonna make it to europes top striker I have no doubt. He is simply outstanding.
Kings. Hello mate. Yeah looking forward to sunday supp. Put my house on it wilshire will be the talk of the town. Especially if wenger loving cunt barclay is on.
Hernandez first today. video of a tv, worth watching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLtbeGNQD6o
StateSideAussie @ 23:08: ” April is a busy month. 7 matches in 22 days. We are going to need to all three of these guys.:
Granted. It’s in this kind of scheduling-crunch that SAF’s “tinkerman” proclivities will come to the fore.
chicharito,the twins and smalling are looking like top signings we got all of them less than what city paid for dzeko who quite frankly looks no better than championship quality fucking donkey.i look at the teams city and real who over the last 3 seasons have spent stupid amounts and haven’t won fuck all and don’t look that good,know we need to strengthen the midfield but overall the future looks bright.going out a wasting bucketfulls of money is nothing more than desperation.
Hernandez 2nd today, ditto.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiJ0Z6JztCk
STR has posted Hernandez’s goals.
smartalex Both your links are to the second of Chichos goals.
denton davey – Too true. If you where in the top tier at Old Trafford, you were in danger of losing your head, from some of Ronnie’s free kicks lol.
Shitty has killed its acadamy by signing so called world class players or wastes,We have to accept that there were some good players coming through there acadamy before the abhu dhabi reign.
About our set piece situation ..I thinnk we need to use smalling’s hight more whenever he plays for us.Our set piece record is very bad since Ronaldo left us in my opinion its more about the lack of quality delibry than lack of aerial ability…
Sorry FletchMAN, that went wrong because I watched the one link, then posted both, then watched the other. A short cut that gave you 2 x 1 goal, instead of 1 x 2 goals! I won’t try that again.
I see that Scott was ahead of the game anyway, with much better links.
denton davey you are right, plenty of misses from Ronaldo at set pieces. I guess that didn’t make opposition defenders feel any better facing him. He was a real threat.
But, I’m not yearning for ronaldo. I want a few goals so that oppositions and I can feel like we might score from the dead ball. If I may repeat the crux.
I have to say that it is apparent that we no longer consider the dead ball threatening, except when we don’t have it.
@Real red devil yes mate that what happens a billionaire owner comes in and wants instant success kids don’t have a chance.the manger’s job becomes a revolving door and so do the players.doesn’t matter how much money is spent still need stability it takes time for a squad to gel.thats what these fucking idiots don’t get i bet anyone would be hard pressed naming any team or sport were millions had been spent and instant success came.excluding baseball because thats as close to being a individual team sport as you’ll find.
well lads pretty quiet tonight got imax hubble and black swan to watch,looking forward to the natalie portman/mila kunis lesbo scene and smoking a j and checking out the universe.so i bid all goodnight.
smartalex … I agree re the dead ball. As mentioned a couple of weeks, Berbatov had some form with short range free kicks prior to joining us, wonder why we don’t try him on those. But our dead ball play in general has been really poor for a while, and especially this season. Like you said, it’s not just about goals (though that helps), it’s also about putting doubt into the minds of the opposition. Cheers!
Wayne – Can you stream that scene for us on here? lol.
We can’t let him go for good.
This kid is class.
If Fergie let’s him go on loan to Sunderland next season he will score a bucketload and walk into our team the next season.
SAFe
King Eric – Hello mate. Bill Bradshaw has already laid on the apperitif for what’s to come in the Sunday Supplement – He has mentioned the guardian and the express having front page articles, waxing lyrical about the the odd-bodied cunt Wilshere, calling him the best play-maker in the country. You would think that Ingerlund beat Spain the way they are going on. Oh and CLLC said that the booing of their national anthem inspired them to victory.
Need to really make a wise rotation of players…i think