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Nice one BruVVVVAA!!!
ps BERBA IS MAGIC!
..Nani needs a stint in the reserves!!!
Nani needs a stint at another club.
I think a picture of steve bruce giving a bunch of united player a huuugge hug for a terrible performance would’ve been more appropriate. But oh well!
Terrible performance Rooney was rubbish, Fletcher didn’t turn up, Nani was useless as usual, Scholes couldnt pass, Vidic was beaten in the air everytime by Jones and Foster OMG Foster, he should never wear a united shirt again…
Not the best game by any stretch of the imagination but good teams still find a way to get out of it. Playing welbeck on the wing wasnt the smartest idea, he had a quiet game and it wouldnt have helped his confidence all that much. How come there werent any strikers (Macheda to be specific) on the bench? We had no back up plan if we ran out of ideas which we did.And why is Nani continuously being chosen over valencia to start? I would have thought that if you were only going to start one of them, valencia would be him…..
Plenty of soul searching to be done but we will be fine. Its only our first draw for the year which is not bad considering how we’ve started the last couple of seasons.
Come on UNITED!!!
I don’t think Nani deserves too much flak. We had players shitting the bed all over the place. I have much love for Scholesy but he was having an absolute mare, worse than Nani. Wellbeck, fitted within a team that was not only weaker than usual but also having a shocker, was completely out of his depth. It was a horror show. And Sunderland did their part to make it difficult for us putting in such a hard working performance.
Even with the mares all over the park we still had more of the ball and loads more chances, shouldn’t have conceded the second goal but Foster blew it.
I think it’s a shame that Anton Ferdinand is getting the credit for the draw as well, I noticed they presented it that way on the BBC home page. It wasn’t like he scored a howler, he was holding back the Red Army in full force, marking, blocking, hooking the ball clear, holding the line, then a shot comes in and goes in off him. That’s just bad luck more than anything, with that many bodies in the box. He deserves to be proud of himself and the rest of his club today, not reminded that in one second of the game he zigged when he should have zagged. Also the reason United got the point isn’t because Ferdinand messed up, it’s because they besieged the goal. Something was going to go in sooner or later. Given another five minutes there probably would have been a couple more.
the problem wasnt nani .. the problem was & is Foster .
Well said Mancunian Soldier, I too don’t understand the changes! Fergie sometimes ’starts a game slow’ (when he underestimates ‘lesser’ teams) Putting starters on the bench?? It costs us points but I guess he’s trying to bring the whole squad to a level? I have to trust his perspective on squad/season management but sometimes you just have to start strong, thump 3 in the 1st half, THEN bring on the Nanis of this world…
Foster isnt for united & that’s all . i hope VDS will be back soon .. since Foster is playing .. all the teams except Stoke have scored against us .
on a weekend when we were supposed to win and hope for a liverpool and chelsea draw, we end up squandering our opportunity. Biggest disappointment today was Rooney, but I have to say I was very happy to see Berbatov’s work rate and magnificent goal. Nani needs to pass the ball quicker and not take too much time with it. Scholesy was not having a great game, but we need to have Valencia not Welbeck. Welbeck is good for carling cup and FA cup games, but today, he needed to have Nani and Valencia on the wings.
Ando looked good too, we need to start using scholes in specific games only. Also Sunderland is such a tall physical team, our players looked tiny in comparison to them. Next transfer window we need to start getting tall and strong Vidic like players.
Good wakeup call today that we cannot take any team for granted this year…
Honestly, I can’t understand all the fuss. Ok we played badly. Badly enough to lose 3-1. But we drew two all. Again a stoppage time goal. With our second string defensive unit and without our best player of the season (Giggsy).
We are bound to have howlers every season. But I am just glad our howler came against Sunderland than Liverpool (which we did last season)…
My patience with Foster is running thin. I feel as if he cost us 2 points. After scoring a goal and we were in the ascendancy, it was his mistake that led them ahead again, and made us loose the momentum. Must stop all this rubbish talk about Foster for the future, Foster needs time…..bla bla. He’ll be never good enough. We should look passed him and look for a new goal keeper as replacement for EWS.
- i prefer Rooney playing wide. He can hold up the ball better n longer than another wingers we have. He is too predictable in the center. He can’t beat people in front of him.
- Make sure that Edin Dzeko is ours next season !!!
Scholesy was having a nite off and nani never got it right..nani deserves a stint in other club such as Sunderland…
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can someone please tell fergie to drop foster???
enough is enough! give kuszack a chance! the defence does not look comfortable at all with foster behind them!
of course our team was shite! unbelievably horrible – not sure abt the stats but i think our passing rate was only abt 50%? rooney obviously looks tired and he needs a rest and nani and valencia do not really play in the wings, they keep cutting back, dont take on the defenders well, dont whip in enough crosses…arrrgggghhhh! cant stand it! we really sucked!!
i know it happens in a season, but still to have to watch it is really, really tough!!…
Great teams will have these kind of days. Its very frustrating to watch.
I have supported Foster throughout all of this, putting it down to indecisiveness which can be improved through experience. The second goal wasnt a case of being indecisive – he did the right thing in coming for the ball but should have punched it clear. No foul on him, just a strong contest. Even as a Foster supporter my patience is running very thin. I also have my doubts about his positional play for the first goal. He stood very close to the line which only gave Bent a better angle. It was a good finish but if Foster was more advanced he would have saved that. Kuszack now deserves his chance.
Im a big supporter of giving the young ones a go but Id rather see them play their best position. Its hard enough to come into the first team and perform, let alone play out of position. Im aware that Wellback has played out wide before but give the lad a go up front, we saw even in this game when he gets a bit of space in front of goal he is capable of producing something special. Also I think Gibson needs to be given a run (I dont think this is too far away). Yesterday was a game well suited to him.
Another lad who I wish was available was Possebon – again his composure on the ball would have been handy yesterday. I hope he comes back into the first squad from his loan spell. People say we need to buy, which I agree with to an extent, but there is no doubt that we have exceptional young talent on the books already.
Anway, lets hope for a draw between chelsea and liverpool.
wooaaah Foster is getting a lot of stick right now. I’m gonna stick by him. I dont believe it was his fault entirely, he doesnt deserve to blamed this much. I think yesterday was an improvement, compared to Citeh game.
Also Nani. He is a lot better than Fletcher and Scholes yesterday. In my opinion, we should have started with Nani and Valencia. Welbeck is a very good striker, but not a winger.
I dont mind losing the crown to Chelsea this season, if we can get another 3 consecutive titles with Foster and Nani.
wow really didn’t deserve a point today bar the last 20 minutes, but then that’s the mark of champions, getting results when you play awfully
My support for foster is going way too long already. What determines a good goalkeeper? When the opponents look like scoring but he saved. Not the one save which all the goalkeeper can save. Is the one normally all goalkeeper is hard to save. Many times in this season we had gone ahead and yet because of mistakes or indecisive we let them back in. There is not much saves we make from foster. The one against arsenal. Anymore? I forget any good saves he make. He makes more mistakes than saves. I know i can’t blame him and must support him but we can’t afford to see so many mistakes that he makes. If he is good then he should or can clear the danger. Right now he is the coated gem. Not polished yet but this is his big year. He said he want’s to go to WC right. Many times this season he makes errors. If i am capello, I couldn’t pick him. Perhaps maybe 4 years later he became more experience then maybe he got a chance. I being too negative about him. However, my support is going to dried up as everyone know goalkeeper is the most important player and can’t make more mistakes than outfield player.
@cantona7 Nani second half performances impress me a lot. His crossings all looks good and dangerous. If he can perform like this all the time, i bet he got plenty of chance to play first team.
This was really bad – we cannot drop points this way! We cannot keep gambling. Comments:
Goal keeper: if he wasn’t English he would be out. Kusak has played better this season, he deserved to be infront of flapping Foster – Foster is too raw for this level, he needs to go on loan then let’s see, these are real matches not training games. Van der Sar please come back, though would be happy with Kusack.
Defence: why wasn’t Wes Brown playing – Vidic looked knackered and O’Shea looked ordinary, Evra as usual great. Playing in front of Foster seems to have sapped the confidence of the defence, they seem more edgy.
Midfield: unimpressive, half asleep, never took control, Valencia helped. What is going on in Nani’s head – why isn’t Tosic getting a chance? Anderson was quite good.
Strikers: Rooney off form, needs a day on the bench, Mecheda should have a chance. Berbatov was actually great, our best player together with Evra.
SAF is great but honestly, these are serious games and we missed a great opportunity to take 3 points from a weaker team because underperforming players keep being given time to improve – 9 games in it is obvious Foster and Nani do not cut it and they both need loan or reserve games to sort them out. If Foster leaves, good. Nani, the boy lacks a football brain, and does not look like getting one – one more season and then he has to go if he cannot improve massively.
Disappointing, City could overtake us if we keep losing silly points so we have to buck up here and wake up, SAF get your ruthless streak back. i am not saying diss these players, but if you underperform 9 games in a row, you have to be dropped – Nani, Foster, out. Tosic, Mached, Kusack a in.
@Cantona7,
Foster’s mistakes however were all too costly. Some people said that you couldn’t blame Foster for the second goal. I beg to differ though. He should have punched the ball, that’s it. But he did not. The first goal might not be his fault but he could have done better.
I agree with Nani though. I thought he looked very dangerous on the second half. Unfortunately Rooney is probably not too tall and Berbatov is a bit too slow.
@kel yeah i mean, be fair. Nani is not the worst player yesterday, far from it. Nobody dares to blame Rooney, who in my opinion, is the worst yesterday.
NBI Red Onion – Have you even seen much of Tosic play for the reserves? If you had you would realise him and Macheda have been relatively poor and would have offered fuck all yesterday.
Obertan will be the man.
Blame it on luck also, their two real attempts went into goal but the team did show character to be patient and that led to first goal, which was pure class from Berba ![]()
But the team needs a real leader, Rio was missing, so was Giggs and Rooney was so back to his childhood days, he needs to show maturity of a leader now.
Time to move on and concentrate on our next game.
PS: How many of you we feel we really need a playmaker, I really missed Giggs, Berba is too front to create any attack.
@cantona7 Yeah. I agree with you on the 2nd comment too. No one wants to admit Rooney played badly. I do think he play worst than nani. Yet some people say he is rubbish. Whereas he didn’t say anything about Rooney. I mean we should look at one game at a time. Saying nani is rubbish is harsh. I know he is bad at times however, he looks good in the 2nd of this game really.
@Sharath Yes a playmaker. Giggs is our playmaker but he was not there yesterday. No one in our team is except berbatov but like you say he is too front. Maybe silva might be our choice next summer.
Nani was really good in the second half.. The fact our best players so far this season sucked ass yesterday proved to be the key point in our loss of two points.. Rooney, Scholes, Fletcher and Evra were really bad, especially in the first half
But i forgive them, they have been immense this season.. these things happen in this league
I belive we will keep on rockin in the next game
I have always liked Foster, but he has done more bad than good
bring on PIG as number one!!!!
Wierd that Welback was playing winger.Not effective.Really wonder why Valencia couldn’t have just started.Rooney shockingly gave the ball away so many times,just like Fletcher,Scholes,Nani,O’Shea.well,these kinda games happen someday.and i agree with Pat that 1 point’s a bonus.Ando was good though.Although in the first half,we couldn’t link that much,the one who was trying to get some link going was Berba.Oh boy Nani,his 2nd half was much better than the first.Oh well,let’s stop complaining.Bad day.Full stop.
Really torn apart with Foster.No doubting that he’s a great goalie,but he’s not consistent.I WANT VDS now.Hope Fergie gives Thomasz a chance at Bolton.
@the scottish wonder : VDS will definitely start after the international matches.
Time to drop foster buy silva in January, I’m not convinced at all by valencia either – he’s too one dimensional. Nani will be inconsistent b/c but he has skill, valencia doesnt. Why does Oshea keep playing at rb when Wes can play there he doesnt get tight enough, twice players have taken him on and scored – bent this week and bellamy last week.
I’ve just watched the game and I’m mystified about the press comments. UTD were poor by UTD standards, but they were so much better than Sunderland. The stats prove it. UTD were all over them in the 2nd half. So why did UTD not get the 3 points? They never controlled the MF until Anderson came on. This lad’s improved a lot this season – his long ball passing caused their defence a few problems. Nani looked better after the break. Rooney needs a rest against Bolton – give Macheda a go lets see what he’s made of. Two puzzling ref. decisions went against UTD. A penalty should have been given shortly after UTD’s first goal. The attacker came down but the defender never made contact with the ball . And who else thought Foster was fouled for their second goal? Most refs would have given a foul against the Sunderlad player.
But never mind, ‘Pool visit Sunderland soon and quite frankly I cannot see them getting a win there.
PS, Foster reminds me of taibi.
yesterday was shocking.looks like the players took them too lightly.apart from berba and evra and anderson when he came on the rest of them should be given a whack on their backside.sunderland got stuck in and did not allow us to monopolise the ball and we fucked .up big time.this is a long problem since last year.when teams get stuck in and try to be physical we fuck up big time.people criticise berba so much so why not slate rooney and vidic and the rest now.rooney has been doing nothing but showing his frustration in the last 3 games.why does he have to say big things after every game like i want to be the main man etc etc. has to do well himself.he wont be be a world class player like ron messi or kaka until he can save the team when we have a bad day like yesterday.sorry to say this but vidic is looking poor.i dont know wat the matter is.whether he wants to leave the club or maybe something else.i will be wasting by energy typing anything about nani and foster.absolute shit.please get VDS fit or play O shea as Gk.even he will do better than the 2 fools we have.now if shitty win their 2 games and chelsea win today(which i think they will) we are booted to 3rd in the table. had this performance been away from home it may have been acceptable.but to be outplayed for majority of the game at OT is shocking.what a shame.We still need a 36 year old giggsy o ghalvanise us when we are struggling.
please improve the performace and toughness of the team.otherwise we will be murdered at anfield and Stamford bridge in what will be a physical game
i am the one who get angered when our fan slating our player but let be honest…against sunderland apart from berbatov…every player was poor…
rooney was poor also,poor pass,poor control…against wolfsburg he not the rooney that we all known either…maybe hes tired or his mind on the incoming baby…let hope he can start banging against in the next game…
we do need a playmaker…anderson showing sign of promise but we are too depends on giggs and scholes to create game for us…
thats was major concern…hopefully the player that come in in latter month can spark the creative attacking display to our team…hargo…ljajic…obertan
but against the good sunderland side and awful display from us draw is a good result…lets hope for better game from the lad next match
@aig
mind anfield or bridge…with last night display OT not a fortress no more…
hate to say this Torres will have a fun day terrorising us if that performance continue…
and Nani…wtf…he cannot even get past Bradley…come on…show some class Nani…wake Up..want to success like ronaldo,…train harder than Ronaldo
Im going to be the one to say it. Im gonna get stick for this, but Fergie has lost his final marble. This is enough now. He cost us two trophies last year, and now he is going to cost us more. How can you take a kid that has not played all season, that is a stricker, and put him on the left, when we have two left wingers already. You only have two strickers, and Kiko not even on the bench. So your other choice, Welbeck, you play on the wing. And take the useless Nani and play him on the right. He cant cross with his left foot as it is, so lets put him on the right wing so he can f***k up the crosses even more.
I find it harder and harder to believe in a win each week cause Fergie is playing teams that dont make sense anymore. And Foster? Come on now. There has to come a time when you realise the lad is not good enough. You can not as a keeper be beaten in the air. That second goal was almost as embarrasing as his howler in pre season. Being a former pro keeper i know. You need luck in order to win trophies, but you cant rely on it all season.
My problem is not the payers, its Fergie. Not cause we lost this one, but everytime he changes shit around, we lose. Enuf is Enuf now.
Nani did what he could first half
he played well united didnt
second half nani played better cause the team played better
I seen a lot wrong with united yesterday
but breaking it down I seen nothing wrong about Nanis gam
and Im always on this guys case
I have kinda started watching how Nani plays games over the way anyone else and yesterday was a great game out of him when everything else was falling
oh and Berbatov is magic
@fooart9
couldnt agree more.we really have to start winning convincingly.we are just scraping through in most our games.not only torres but even drogba will enjoy against our defence if we dont improve soon.As i said befor better not to talk about nani.as ghtt said he is a human frustrater
Not sure why people are mentioning Nani as the prime offender when there were at least 4 other players yesterday who were absolutely dreadful. Nani for what it was worth came back and showed some fight in the second half. Ok, his crossing is still suspect but everytime he did lose the ball he would track back and try to win it back (and a few times his hustle did pay off). We didn’t lose the battle on the wings, we lost it in midfield…first half, Scholes and Fletcher just could not assert any kind of rhythm in the middle and Cattermole and Cana were all over them. In the second we came back for periods but Rooney was having a nightmare. He was constantly moaning about the service from Nani, Welbeck and Anderson but when he did get the ball he did fuck all with it. His spark was missing and except for that one shot which he dragged just wide never looked like scoring.
And we can’t mention names without talking about Foster, who once again proved what i’ve believed from the very start. Not good enough. Not fucking good enough by a long stretch. First goal, ok…lets give Bent credit, though Foster was late on the dive. Second goal…fucks sake Ben, come out and dominate your box. Punch the BALL! Take out the ball, defender, and everyone else in the area. Instead he elects to catch the ball knowing fully well that Jones is big unit in the air. Result…like citeh, like chelsea, like every other good team that will face Foster. They score and we’re back to square 1 trying to get something from the game.
Not good enough Fergie. Surely you can see that now…
So yeah, enough with the Nani bashing. There were plenty of shameful performances yesterday, and Nani was actual one of the better one’s.
I’m gonna come out and say it: Foster is rubbish. I’ve never been a strong supporter of his, as you can see by reading previous posts, but I think tonight nailed it. He clearly doesn’t command the respect of the back line the way VDS does. And I shouldn’t feel relieved every time he makes a save. A keeper for a top club like United should be fucking expected to make saves, not look dodgy and have the fans breathe a sigh of relief when he actually does turn up.
It seems every time he concedes the response is “well that was a cracker, nothing he could do about that.” Bollocks, I say. Class keepers are supposed to save shots they should have no chance at, a la the Great Dane.
Foster is a decent enough keeper, but ship him off to a mid-table club. We have a huge transfer kitty, please let’s bring in Neuer. Igor Akinfeev is good, but I think Neuer has that world class potential. Give up on the English keeper, United > England anyway.
ghtt
is the maturity levels that are lacking in him.how can a player not improve in 2 years.he has gone downward.atleats you should know how to cross the ball after 2 years and should know when to pass and when to shoot
agree though.BERBAGOD IS CLASS
@devilton.
nani was not prime offender.foster vidic scholes,fletcher and rooney were poor.nani was average at best but he has to start delivering now on a more consistent basis.
Why are people saying Sunderland was the better team! They played above standards but created only 3 chances in the game . I have had it with Foster . Give PIG a chance . Hope Vandy returns for the matches at Anfield and Stamford Bridge , Nani was not half as bad as the other players . Oshea gives the ball away too often , i get pissed when he just boots the ball for a throw in with his right foot , his fucking strong foot . Valencia is too one dimensional , Rafael would make a better winger than him . Berba was quite brilliant in the second half . And some guy here saying Torres will slaughter us , watch some liverpool games , idiot , they are struggling more than us . If we can stay 3 points behind the top team come the start of christmas , we should be fine . With hargreaves , Ljajic , Obertan and carrick will get into the game . I remember Nani had a great game against Johnson in the community shield last year . Hope he starts against pool .
@A.I.G. SIR ALEX IS GOD
I Wrote this yesterday for my mate realmaadridchampions2008 and as you know i come down hard on Nani but its because Ive seen what he can do so here goes with the copy and paste
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manutdchampions2008
I keep reading from you about Nani trying to be like Ronaldo
and not for anything Nani is saying or doing
STOP READING PHIL DAOUST
the guy is Nani
he’s not the next anything
Hes Nani and the second he stops having to reach a bar he’ll be his own self
I have no idea how old you are but i can guess you couldnt get a beer today to watch the match
so Ill give you a history lesson from someone with alot of Gray hair
Giggs aka Wilson aka Giggs
a 15/16/17/18 year old even a 19/and somewhat 20 year old player
who could tear a team apart
had everything to just run with the ball
quick feet
and some cheeky tricks
but my god this kids final ball was piss poor
whats the point of taking the ball past 4-5-6 people if ya cant cross it to hughes
And now I’m on a campaign to Knight this man up
he is one of,if not, the best players to ever play football
in 2001 fifa study showed that there was over 140,000,000 registered footballers in world football
and the artist formerly know as Ryan Wilson will be called Sir Ryan Giggs is the best of them all
Still early days.
Nani reminds me of Babel. Obviously really talented but flatters to deceive in terms of applying that talent consistently.
Someone has mentioned that it’s strange that Tosic hasn’t had a chance. What’s going on there? A bad buy?
Wes Brown’s omission is a mystery too. Can’t understand that one.
Could do with getting a freekick threat back – apart from Giggs.
ashhotjet90
Oshea was solid yesterday
with a handful of pinpoint perfect tackles outside the united box,
althou I watch him playing for Ireland been Irish, cant believe they voted yes arseholes, and Oshea clears the ball differently for Ireland than he does for United because the guy is smart. for Ireland he has no confidence in Irelands CM players so he boots it up field to a striker , to whoevers on the right wing or just boots it away. it is the safest opition when ya dont trust the way CM will play the ball.
Thats what happened yesterday with Oshea scholes had a nightmare and Fletcher mind was elsewhere, for the last 2 games , so he played it the safe Irelands way and kicked it away or lobbed it to nani/welbeck
@CraigB- gtfo. not even going to dignify that with a proper response.
Rooney wasn’t bad per se but he made no impact. Might as well have had Park on the field.
Is it my imagination or is SAF rotating much more than usual this season? With the benefit of hindsight, should Carrick and Anderson have been given the chance from the start yesterday to build on their encouraging performances against Wolfsburg ? At the start of a season when the team is adjusting to the loss of its principal matchwinner, should essentially the same unit be given the chance to find its rhythm before the chopping and changing starts on a solid platform ? (Albeit 100% run after Burnley might have given such an appearance.)
@cav. you reckon the team selections are correct every week?
ghtt
high time mate.at this age giggsy used to rip defenders apart and score 14-15 goals a season.nani himself started these silly stories by saying in the summer that he can replace ronaldo.we didnt start the comparisions.so when you speak such things the comparisions are bound to happen.
it hurts me to see that a player with so much talent and potential is wasting it.ronaldo made the most of his.stayed back after training and reaped the rewards.why cant nani work harder and take things easy on the pitch rather then tryibg to do too much.
A.i.g.
can you show me whre he said he’s like ronaldo
They only think I have seen him saying was
‘Ronaldo was a very important player for us but now my opportunity has come,’ Nani said to Portuguese sports newspaper O Jogo. ‘The time has come (for Manchester United) to put their trust in me.’
Hes not Ronaldo and as soon as people stop saying it the more they’ll see what he can do and it take the added pressur off him
look at the way 32million The next Eric Cantona Berbatov was greated by most fans last season
as soon as thst “the next” shit stops and people just put there faith in players then Nani will be Nani
Main Problem:
Keeper… he makes our defence insecure.
I still have faith in Foster, but he should go out on loan to a club where he can get his confidence back. He is proving to costly for us.
Defence:
Evra as solid and good as ever and people here that has slated his performance cannot have watched the match. Vidic and Evans were poor, but much of that comes from an unstable goalie. However, I think Vidic has been nowhere near what he has been prior to CL-final. Maybe his wife is turning his head for a move to spain or italy. O’Shea is simply not good enough as a fullback as he seldom offers anything in attack. However, he hit with all crosses yesterday and was the provider for Berbie and that was great. O’Shea should be played as a central-defender or striker:) I do rate him as a valuable squad-member and agree with fergie on giving him a little to much playing-time.
Midfield:
Wellbeck should have been a striker. Poor decision by fergie. Valencia should have had this game from the start to boost his confidence. Valencia and Nani could then change free at will from side to side. Nani needs confidence and the midfield and defense provided lack of confidence. Nani performed well in the 2nd half and should be gambled on further. He has the ability and crosses… he can also get past players. Valencia needs to practice crosses and he is a one-dimentional player as previously stated here. Scholes had an off-game with another clumsy booking… I will not be hard on him since my confidence in him is still there.
Fletcher:
I’m sorry to bring this up… HE WILL NEVER LIFT UNITED TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL. I’m starting to come around, but he will never be a united-talisman like Keano, Robson or Cantona. He will be a great support for possibly Anderson. Vs. Arsenal he was lucky not to get booked early and had a great match… he did play over the edge and a poor referee allowed him to continue… that will not be the case. Where was his aggressiveness yesterday when we needed it the most? Hopefully I’m wrong here, but I can’t wait to get Hargo back!!!
Attack:
Rooney was crap yesterday and should be given a rest. In a match like this he should have swapped positions with Wellbeck, so that he could’ve gotten a change.
Berbatov was great and I’m so happy for him and us.
Alternatives:
We need to get the next Schmeichel/Casillas/Buffon/Cech/VDS… we depend on that.
Giggs has his best season, but he will not be able to play all matches. Anderson looks like he might be the golden-boy now and that excites me. Gibson is probably not a solution for us, but maybe a great squad-player. Silva is an option, but I’d rather tempt Iniesta or Xavi:) My first pick would be Essien… but if Hargo comes good and stable, then our problems are solved and the keeper is first priority…
8 out of 10 times when Gigs started he made the wrond desision with his final ball
but he had all the tools to be ……well …. Sir Ryan Giggs
lets hear it again fellas…
“Foster? … give the lad a chance.”
heh
Tnt Said,October 4th, 2009 @8:57
We need to get the next Schmeichel/Casillas/Buffon/Cech/VDS
Why cant united just go full hog for Buffon
there was strong rumours about it in the summer
A.I.G. SIR ALEX IS GOD
Here ya go sir
http://www.insideworldsoccer.com/2009/08/nani-dismisses-comparison-to-cristiano.html
Mezza
34 seconds into the game yesterday a piss poor sunderland shot was tracked by vidic who could of controlled it but he just watched it going into fosters hands
but by the time the ball got there foster paniced swung his ams and ended up booting it away all flustered
vidic shouted at him because there was noone near foster apart from vidic
and from there the faith in the keeper fell apart 2 hours later united somehow get a point due to an OG
Thanks bruv
And suddenly we miss Giggsy. Is that obvious ?
But it hink even with him in the squad we would have played the same football. If even Scholesy put 8 out of 10 passes to the opponent’s leg. Awful.
I don’t think we will expect things from Valencia if he keeps going to his right. Disgusting.
Good morning.
I hate international break. I truly hate it.
ghtt.ok mate.you are right.nani said that in june which was some time back i still feel he is trying too hard and that is proving to be his undoing.he himself is getting pressurised by these comparision even if he can just improve his crossing i will be happy.the thing that hurts .me is when you have players like giggs with you in training everyday why isnt he making the most of it and learning from giggsy.
@corea.good morning
right mate.now we have to wait 2 weeks to get revenge.and we wont even be top probably going into the break.ahead of anfield and the bridge i frankly expected us to win all our games.sunderland and bolton at home are games we should win
A.i.g.
who says he isnt
didnt Sir Alex say that he has really shown alot of improvment in training since Ronaldo has gone and is ready to step up to the plate
@Craig B
You can’t be serious right? You, some nobody fan, slagging of one of the greatest managers of all time for his team selection.
First of all, he “cost us two trophies last season”: You spoiled brat, how many has he won??!!
Second of all, Nani’s a right footer, so obviously he can’t cross with his left as well.
With “supporters” like you, who needs rivals?
i dont know why everybody is on rooney’s case..he is allowed to have one bad game!! and nani was great in the second half!! wellbeck showed his inexperience at the top level when he didnt put rooney through which probably would have been put away..nani has to improve on the corners..Berba was absolutely brilliant leaving a few heavy passes..shitty way to play though..have got to improve..
ghtt
doing well in training is one thing and showing it on the pitch is another.nani is not able to express himself that well on the pitch.thats the problem.he and SAF seriously have to work out something.Otherwise it will just be difficult to defend him every time.
@dakota.
hi.1 bad game.stoke,wolfsburg and sunderland thats 3 in a row now.he is seriously getting affected by this baby talk and not being able to concentrate
A.I.G.
apart from almost half his corners,which is an improvment, what did Nani do wrong yesterday
@AIG
hello..i get your frustration mate but i think he gets frustrated a lot when we go down by a goal..he constantly kept on screaming at everyone last night..but thats wazza and thats his commitment to united..there is no question about the fact that he will bounce back..lets face it, everybody had a poor game last night and we still managed to score 2..even evra was embarassed by that teenager when he skipped past him and if it was not for carrick..jones would’ve slotted the third for sunderland..and foster couldve hardly done anything else for the second goal..the impact was so much that he couldnt keep a hold of the ball..
Missed the firsta half (wich seems it was for my own good) but found some things to nag about:
Foster: Punch the ball you fucking twat!!! I’ve always had faith in you but come on!
Rooney: You can’t shoot everytime you get the ball mate, try passing to some of the other 9 players out there once in a while
Nani: *sigh* … you say he improved in second? He must have sucked ass in first
Anderson: Well he did turn up at least, he was ok.
Berbatov: He was good, should’ve got more ball from Rooney
Valencia: Can someone tell this guy to try run at the otherside of the defender once in a while?! He ALWAYS goes on the right and is soooooooo easy to read. As someone above mentioned he is one-dimensional
As a whole: Crap. The performance was awfull, lucky to get 1 point.
Get the act together for the next game!!!
evra & berba good yesterday, rooney needs a rest…
And I start wondering for how long fergie is goin to let foster unsecure the defence.. He’s a good keeper ok, but is he really the man who fits VDS gloves? I’m not sure about that… have a good day mates, and thank you anton ferdinand…
I cant agree that Nani is as good as a younger Ryan Giggs. Yes his final ball wasn’t always the best but he could
skin people at leisure week in week out
Score goals and great ones too
Giggs/wilson was at a much higher level no doubt
MY THOUGHTS ON YESTERDAY…
Nani improved as the game went on, got more and more confident. Ginger prince was shockingingly bad, cause for concern, Berbatov + Evra were magic, Carrick was better when he came on, Fletch had an off day (I hope), Rooney was awful and petulant as he wasn’t getting any service, Foster was nervy and had no chance with the first and was fouled for the second (Jones led wih his elbow and fouled Foster). Vidic seemed out of sorts . Overall team performance wasn’t that special. Need to start games off as we finished yesterday at 100 miles an hour and blow others out of their stride instead of seeing what unfolds in a game.
I think that SAF got his team selection wrong again but hey who am I to question God.
Does anyone else think that the 80mill we got for Ronnie has gone quietly into the Glazers bank bill instead of being made available?
even wellbeck kept on doing that turnover thing which reed and bardsley read it easily..not a pretty sight when the ball gets taken away so easily..
craigB
i’m not a fan of foster either, but how was that 2nd goal embarassing? fair enough he had the option of punching it away, but from what i saw in the replay, he got both hands on the ball right before the massive elbow to the head.. an obvious foul that is!
with that being said, kuzzkackzkzk looked more in control than the last 2 seasons maybe he should be given a chance once in a while(i still have bad memories seeing him between the sticks, so i am not gonna suggest him as a replacement)
.. foster’s far too quiet and without rio, there’s no one to knock some sense into the defence via means of verbal barrage!
vds vds vds!
ghtt
its the positions he gets in.he gets in such great positions and then makes a mess of it.he does not know what decision to take and ends up doing the wrong thing.surely rooney and berba dont get frustrated for no reason.i hope he does well but all i want to say is time is running out for him.h ahs to take the right decisions and cross better.
@dakota.right mate.think we should be happy getting atleast a point.hope rooney gets back to his best soon atleast before the dippers game
anyways going out now.need to refresh my mind after yesterday.as a diehard fan i feel bad when we dont play well.of course i know that we cant play well or win every game but then thats me.
Pressure paid off in the end, doesn’t excuse that woeful first half, and much of the second. We looked stale. I have run out of patience with Nani too, he fannies around when he should cross it, crosses it when he should beat a man, tries to beat seven men when he should pass it. I don’t think the issue was with Roo so much, he worked hard and did well when he had the ball, but for vast periods of the game he was not getting the support. Berba again was excellent, even running hard and tracking back, and what a goal!
@ AIG
Dont worry mate I’m sure the boys will do us proud the next time they’re on the field! have a good one..
Manchester United – Rooney Sir Alex Fergucson etc owe me nothing
Chelsea played shit last week end and lost so badly the lost there goal difference advantage and Manchester united went top
Manchester united played shit yesterday and came away with a point
does anyone else get a message up that says send errors dont send errors up when they go on the rom lately and it just switchs it off
Its happen alot for me and i just dont know if its my micheal owen broken computer
Honestly speaking.. I think this will be an off season for united.. No player other than sir ryan giggs is up for the challenge.. I know it’s too early but after Ronaldo our team is very slow and the defence are letting in easy goals.. Foster out.. Never in his dreams he has the ability to be uniteds goalie.. Ferdinand is going to be like Nesta.. We need a quality defender.. Evans is the perfect sub.. Midfield.. We need very creative players that can pass and score.. And a quality striker or fwd so Rooney and berbatov will be challenged for the starting eleven.. The differece between a great player (Ronaldo, giggs, messi) and a very good player ( Rooney) is that great players in every game never give up even if the team was very bad.. And hopefully next time sir Alex will start with Anderson and Valencia along side Fletcher and giggs.. Welbeck is a striker putting him on the left proved that he is no good player on that side.. Last we need a quality goal keeper.. United won with Peter schmicheal and vander sar.. They challeneged with those two in goal.. Never with bosnich or van der gouw or baritez we as fan felt comfortable.. We can’t afford more mistakes from foster..
@GHTT : it was 3 days back when RoM site was not opening for me. maybe Scott doing some changes to the site or maintenance work ?
@aig
agree mate…you have the talent…u train with giggsy scholesy…u even train with ronaldo in club and international level…u have simao train with you…fergie to manage u…and solskjaer sometime coach you…why oh why can you prove something Nani…come on…Prove all the doubter wrong …Prove that you are capable of some magic
Seriously though…
What happened yesterday?
50 minutes for our first shot on goal…
And at OT – home as well
Bloody hell, hope that was a one off
That performance was far worse than the CL final.
Thank the Lord for the goal at the end
The biggest problem with United is that they are missing a ‘world class’ player.
As a squad they should cope with the league this year but Im struggling to see how we can rely on Rooney for match winning performances, he’s no goalscorer ( a scorer of great goals) hes a worker and a provider for a ‘finnisher’ like ruud, saha and ronaldo.
Sir Alex played him in his best position for the team (not necessarily for rooney) in the last two seasons and we benefitted from it.
With the team we have we will struggle against the likes of Real, Barca and Bayern in Europe. 80 million in the bank wont help us there!!!!
There will be noone decent in the January transfer window either. Fergie should have had a replacement for ronaldo already sussed in the year he knew he was leaving.
concerns for the year ahead:
Ferdinands fitness?
Vidic’s desire?
Nani & Anderson failing to step up?
Yes we’re top. but where’s the entertaining free flowing football?
Improvement seriously needed, we are losing our way and have been gradually since the champions league win in 2008, but knowing fergie, he’ll silence his critics like he always does!!!!
Wazza
nice one for the reply
its happen alot for me since the city game
i broke the mouse by slamming down on it
i taught i damaged the computer
Thought Nani did reasonably well-plenty of dangerous crosses particularly in the second half.
We looked quite poor as our usual dependable players (Rooney, Scholes, Fletch) all went missing. Particularly disappointed with Rooney-maybe it will be the best thing for him to not travel to Russia and get a rest before the dippers game
@GHTT : don’t trouble your poor mouse. it’s no fault of his, lol
what about berbas goal..pure magic, could watch that all day long..cmon the draw today with chelski v dippers..
@ Ulster Red..i know a draw would probably be the best result for us today but how hard is it to want the dippers to come out of a match with any points 2-2
Anyone see Fergie’s comments re Alan Whiley being a fat f@#k….quality stuff
If NANI does not do it soon his chance to prove he is a United calibre player will be gone. Personally I think he has the ability but lacks the brains to learn that which all the experience around him has to teach.
Are Giggs, Scholes,Carrick,Hargreaves,Solskjaer,Sir Alex Ferguson ALL crap teachers or is Nani just incapable of learning ?
He has been part of the club long enough now – Results, end products and above all quality are what is needed at MANCHESTER UNITED FOOTBALL CLUB.
We are not our deluded neighbours so lets stop making excuses for Nani and just cut our losses if the year end comes and he has still not shone.
Nani was good second half and delivered some top top crosses and corners, i think he is within his rights to think at least one of them should have been met and finished properly.
But, at the end of the day we weren’t at it yesterday, Scholes and Fletch were awful. Defending was farcical. Think playing Welbeck was a gamble, and it didn’t pay off.
Also the ref seemed to be allowing Sunderland to perform as many two footed tackles from behind as they liked, Richardson should have walked in the first half but escaped as did others. As bad as United were yesterday, the ref was worse.
Can we have some positives! I haven’t noticed at all the right back position as O’Shea has been doing good job there this season, never a bad decision over there and tackles a plenty. Nervous guy getting forward I think but his cross got us the Berba magic!
valencia- how the fuck did you make it to pro when your so one footed? try practising on your left foot yeah. needs to really work on his shooting too, if he had a decent shot you could play him leftwing so he can beat his man , turn inside n shoot. just as nani should be doing more, i used to play for boro n darlo at youth level and i used to have a football at my feet gaurenteed if i wernt asleep! i am better with my left foot than valencia could dream to be, not just him tho,a lot of pro,s the same. i know your thinking, why didnt i make it yeah? well a father who used to smack fuck out of me for a bad game and make me run miles round the streets with all my pals watching and shaking their heads. bastard. so i took off from home at 15 and started my own life, really annoys me to see SHIT football, yeah started smoking skunk and ciggarettes and that was my downfall.
i would b more pissed if i never made anything of myself but am a successfull builder and earn good money, and have 2 gorgeous girls which i wouldnt turn back now but 100 grand a week-FUCK IN HELL!
just gonna start playin sunday league and take it from there! im just approachin 24 so theres time to get fit again isnt there!
valencia if your ever in my area i will teach you a thing or too about using your left peg!
SHIT PERFOMANCE- LUCKY TO GET A POINT.
WHY DO WE TURN THE INTENSITY ON WITH ONLY TEN MINUTES LEFT?
WHY NOT START EVERY GAME LIKE THAT? AND WHEN YOU GO 2 NIL UP YOU SHOULD PLAY AS IF YOUR 2 DOWN, THATS MY MENTALITY!
READ CAREFULLY WHAT I Said: It is not a case of Nani needing to learn. People don’t half complicate things when it comes to football these days. What exactly is there for the lad to learn? It comes down to decision making on the pitch, it isn’t rocket science and other players can’t do that for him no matter how much it’s drilled into him. It comes down to a lack of talent at the end of the day. Nani is only a threat when he cuts in from the left and releases the odd thunderbolt from 25 yards, apart from this he has been a dissapointment at United.
i have to agree with ghtt on nani
he was better, he put some tackles in in the first half and won us the ball a couple of times, 2nd half put in some good crosses.
the only problem with nani and foster is there decision making thats all
JD
crap game but we got a point
Nani really did very well
Berbatov is a united player and every match is getting better
welbeck is not ready but shows fantastic signs
Anderson is a player who can tighten up uniteds midfield as he changes the game play when he came on
berbatov is magic
carrick getting his toenail to the ball to stop bent making it 3-1 was world class
berbatovs first touch and vision
Oshea is solid and im big on statistics but when it comes to Oshea 67% of united fans are wrong
this guy is excellent
Berbatovs goal -wow-
I will say it now and I hope I end up eating my words. Ben Foster is not good enough. He dealt with that kenwyn jones situation very poorly and cost us a goal. He looked so shaky through out the game and for our defenders to have too worry about a backpass everytime they need it is a big issue. All great sides start at the back and the keeper is the bedrock of a defence. He is not providing that for us…I really hope he proves me wrong…Think AF is going to start playing kuscak more from now.
Well done to Ando for his impact! He was a breathe of fresh air when we needed it most! oh yes and well done to Anton aswell
Foster, Nani, Fletcher, Scholes, Wellbeck let the team down more than the others yesterday.
I believe that Edwin would have saved the first goal as well, let alone the second.
The play in the final third of the pitch was pretty awful. Times and times again the wrong option was chosen.
Why are we starting matches so slowly. We used to push and keep away teams in their penalty boxes until we’ve scored.
Let’s hope this is a timely wake up call and thankfully EvdS will be available fr next match.
If Sir Alex Ferguson decided to listen to people here and he dropped or sold Foster to another club,and somehow( when and where the pressure is not that intense)Foster managed to become a one fine goalkeeper, all the moaning fans here who are slagging Foster would say SAF lost it.
UNITED.
Everybody seems to be saying Nani was shit yesterday,well alot of people,
I seen a very goog Nani yesterday
so instead of saying Nani was shit
can someone tell me why he was shit
Xyth Said Foster, Nani, Fletcher, Scholes, Wellbeck let the team down more than the others yesterday.
You can Rooney to that list also infact a lot of the team did`nt turn up
it happens but that point could win us the PL
@Gotta hate tiny tears
His final ball, has been consistently bad most of the season. To be fair to him he improved a bit later in the match, but his deliveries are far from required standard.
@GHTT
Final ball was generally woeful other than the last 10 mins
We had 15 corners and only threatened on a couple of them
positioning was generally poor, as was his dribbling
decision-making was also poor
he got out-muscled by Bardsley almost every time, spending more time on the floor than on his feet
wasted a good opportunity with a poor shot attempt from miles out
is that enough? ;p
@reDalerT. Its all bout confidence bro. Timing as well. Even if you have to take out your own player, you do it. If he had hung back a little longer and waited for the ball to be at the right hight, he could have gone through both players to claim it. When you not timing your jumps and not strong enough to take players out in the air, you more than likely gonna come out second best. And trust me, if it were VDS, even though he is taller, you would have seen the technique. VDS hangs back longer before making his run and jump. Watch Foster, he makes his move very early when the ball is crossed, and then has to basically jump from a standing start. And a hand in the face or elbow will happen when you not showing the attacker that you in control. If he had done what VDS done then he would have towered above the two and taken the ball easily and maybe have gotten an elbow in the chest.
Hello everyone. Regarding Nani – I think the fans have developed a certain mindset about Nani due to his previous inconsistent performances – that’s why he usually becomes a scapegoat for poor performances. Just as we have all got this mindset about Rooney that he can do no wrong (I think he was crap yesterday but you won’t find too many criticising him)
It was just a bad day at the office that’s all. It happens to all teams. If we were to get consistently bad performances then we should worry – but not yet
yeah but i know and forever write about his final ball
but as i also said giggs ronaldo etc final ball used to be shit
scholes didnt always complete 76 out of 78 passes in derbygames
Im livng in bazaro world here
Im usally all over Nani but yesterday i taugt he did very well
@Nobody Owens – Dude, we all have our opinions. All I am saying is that when SAF messes with positions, we tend to mess up. And if Nani is right footed, then why was be bought as a left winger? It doesnt matter which foot he crosses with, he cant cross period. Yeah we allowed to slag SAF. Doesnt mean I dont think he is the greatest ever, which he is. MY OPINION right now is that his team selection and positional selections is preventing us being veen greater than we are. Grow up mate….The payers get it all the time when they mess up, so should he. I believe he messed up yesterday, and am allowed to say so. Done.
Hello everyone. Was Nani the problem? He was a part of it. Just like Wazza is whenever he stops having good games. And he hasn’t had a good one for the last 2 weeks.I said this before. With out attack going through a transitionap phase, we needed our defence as tight as ever. And no, i won’t blame Foster completely either. Not when Rio and Vida’s form has left a lot to be desired. For the record, in any other country i think Jones’ goal might have been disallowed as a foul on the goalkeeper but that’s another story.
So rounding up, lets just call this a bad day at the office. You get them once in a while after European games. One time we beat Rangers at Ibrox and Fulham beat us 3-1 at OT 3 days later. Bolton are in for a tough game in 2 weeks. Our lads have to correct these wrongs asap because trips to Anfield and the Bridge are looming,
Oh and in my opinion, we need to start builing the team around a midfield that won’t change every game. Carrick in my opinion should have started again. Same for Ando.
Reminds me of the Barca match
It’s just plainly sad to see United did not turn up for the game.
Still ringing in the ear how the TV commentaries on my side of world said : “Man United has not got a single goal on target for the entire first half”!!!
And that Foster fluffed the two chances Sunderland had…
When Fergie can substitute out Scholes at half time, when he JUST praised him getting almost all his passes right the earlier match, u just know how badly United played last night…
Everyone knows that I dont think that Nani should be donning the red shirt but even I have to grudgingly admit he had a decent second half yesterday. As GHTT states Giggsy wasn’t all that hot at crosses early on and although I still feel that Nani should be assesed by SAF every month he has improved ………
Still needs a masterclass from Becks on how to cross a ball though
ghtt i to like nani, fort his corners and crossing yesterday missed one thing?? someone attackin the ball? its starting to do my head in, i was at stoke the other week and the lad had a bad game there, straight after everyone says sell sell sell. think he’s having a solid season. yesterday played out of position and did well. he crosses with both feet but shoots with his right, playing on the right became predictable coz he always wanted to go outside and cross.
CraigB – Saf has lost his marbles? No offence mate but that is a disgusting thing to say. Like someone else said “with supporters like you who needs rivals”.
Fucking typical, one bad result in which we STILL managed to salvage a draw and right on cue people are saying “we need Essien” and we “need a right back”. Get a grip. Bad day at the office.
Again,I will say that Nani played well yesterday.Him,Berba and Evra were our best players.Rooney needs to be taken aside by Sir Alex and told to relax instead of getting pissed off when the ball doesn’t come to him because not everyone is as good as him.And he should be told to PUT HIS BOOT THROUGH THE FUCKING BALL,instead of curling it,or chipping it,or whatever crazy nonsense he can pull off.Sometimes power is better than placement.
As regular readers will know,I back Nani a 100%.Him and Valencia need to somehow just become consistent and then we will have a nice pair of wingers.
One direct and and a crosser,the other can beat a man and take a shot.Both track back a fair bit.
Anyone who slates Sheasy needs to check their head,because he is one of our most important players.Seriously.
And most of all,we should support Foster,even if we don’t mean it,just to get his spirits up.Why?Because Sir Alex has put his faith in the boy.
We had a bad day yesterday,it happens.Better it happened now than against the dippers or the bitters.
Chill out,we’ll recover.Everyone knows we don’t get into second gear till mid-October.
Just sit back and enjoy the ride this football club takes us on.
I think Mahesh made a good point yesterday. He said that when you score deflected goals and spectacular volleys, it means that you are struggling to create chances. When you score tap ins, it means that your attacking game is flowing. We scored plenty of tap ins with Giggsy in the side this season. I guess it’s a tribute to him that we were struggling so much without him yesterday…
nani doubters watch the dvd season 07/08 its surprising to see how well nani played as a young lad, and how often he starts. lest remember ronaldo 3 seasons in was dubbed a show pony with no end product!!!!! lets back the lad coz i believe alot of humble pie might be on order at the end of the season
ZHIXIANG:
Cant believe you think Foster ‘fluffed’ twice yesterday. he had no chance for the first as Bent squeezed in one inside a post and he was fouled by Jones for the second as he led with his elbow and knocked it out of Fosters hand. Wiley should have given a foul against Jones for that but as he is a fat cunt (tee hee SAF) he wasn’t up with the play
Costas – Hi mate. I too thought Carrick should have started, he did well when he came on, getting the ball off the end of the strikers foot otherwise we would have been 3-1 down. Showed composure as well.
One thing I am sick of our corners, we offer nothing at the minute.
Hey Costa,King Eric.
Seems we all put yesterday’s result down to a bad day at the office.
And I just remembered we drew yesterday,we didn’t lose.
Any team can manage not to lose on good form.
Only Champions can salvage something from the jaws of defeat.
funny chelsea lose at wigan- their fans still favourites,
united draw to sunderland(bloody good side) SOME we miss ron, am well pissed off there were boo’s at ht
For corners I reckon we should just aim them outside the box for Wayne/Carrick/Scholesy/Ando(Only leftie) to volley because we don’t have any height in our team.Except for Vida,Rio and Sheasy.
chelsea fans still think they are^^ (long weekend lol
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boogeyman – Hi. And Berba mate.
Like the Match of the day commentator said “Can United show the stuff, the REAL stuff of CHAMPIONS and salvage something from this game” seconds after we scored!
Is Wazza out now till November (birth of child, international break)?
I don’t get MoTD.I thought it was full of ABUs?
And anyway I wasn’t paying attention to the commentary,I was too busy pumping my arms.
The corner kick situation concerns me too. Again, it seems like we need Giggsy taking them. I think we should be taking them short for now.
One good thing has come out of the last 2 games where we didn’t play particulary well: The emergence of Berbatov. His goal deserved much more yesterday…
@Gotta hate tiny tears In the previous post, I been protecting nani performance on that match. I with you on this. His performance is not that bad in the 2nd half. He was dangerous with his cross. I said maybe he eat some medicine and that will explain the vast improvement in the 2nd half.
HOW GOOD IS BERBATOV
and what the fuck was up with the boo’s
Berbatov is God.He is a fucking class player.His uncle’s an exorcist too.Dunno why,but to me that makes him cooler.
Did you see people condoning the boos,GHTT?
I don’t pay enough attention to audio during the match,but as soon as I heard about them,I felt sick.It’s disgusting when “supporters” are willing to boo their own players.We shouldn’t sink to the dipper fans’ level of booing their own players.
We should support our players regardless of whether we like them(ie,think they’re good enough) or not.
You all know I’m a Nani fan – so no apologies! I must say to the observant ones on this blog, that I agree Nani had a not too bad day at the office. On two of his often very good corners – Johnny Evans only just tipped one he connected with over the bar, and on another Vidic connected with Sunderland defenders just kicked off the line. If those two fractional connective strikes had gone in, Nani would have had 2 assists for his efforts, the lad was unlucky. So it wasn’t like he wasn’t getting good crosses in to players was it? Also to notice, that when he moved over to the left, Evra played much better. I love SAF and respect his great achievements, but even the great man has flaws. Evra and Nani were developing a real good little partnership on the left side, complimenting each other in games this season, then SAF puts a striker out on the wing, and Welbeck is not ready for 1st team yet. It showed. No wonder our play can’t flow as it should, when in stead of a couple of changes, we change half the bloody team – keep that up and we will lose more than we will win.
Foster is a man who lacks confidence, you can see it all over his face, Nani and Anderson were good, Berba was great, Rooney was poor, wouldn’t mind springing for another forward this January or Summer…Fabiano anyone?
Well I still reckon Fergie has got to take blame for some recent results. i think he is a legend just like everyone else, but that does not mean he is immune to blame. He is human after all. And he does make mistakes. Rooney, Scholes etc had a bad game yes, but some choices lately have bemuzed me. And its those games when the selection choices were beyond odd, that we got it handed to us. Dont always rag on the players, rag SAF if it is derserved. And personally I reckon a few results in recent times have been because he has gotten it wrong. So, if I reckon he has gotten it wrong, I will say so….And King Eric, ‘lost his marbles’ is tongue and cheek mate….
I think United players were fans were boo-ing at the Sunderland supporters banter – NOT OUR PLAYERS!
Sorry for cocking up the last post comment. I meant United fans were boo-ing the Sunderland fans banter and jeering at half time – that’s what I thought anyway. Although you got to admite our lads were PISS POOR performers in the 1st half. It galled me when Sunderland fans were giving it the Spanish ole for a good while, as our lads couldn’t get the ball of Sunderland players for a good while. Their fans were the more deflated at the end though!
Craig B – I agree with you totally re SAF needing to shoulder some of the blame when he gets things wrong. I sincerely hoped that we were done with the SAF square pegs in round holes, but not when he put an out and out striker out on the wing. Welbeck was very poor, and no wonder.
off topic.did anyone watch the dutch league last season?
who is thomas vermalen? i mean he plays as a CB and scored 8 goals this season including a brilliant one today.our CB’s have yet to get of the mark.Common rio evans and vidic do better on those set pieces.get 12-15 goals between you.
Isaidso. Yeah, i love SAF, and he has done legendary things in his time. I just see things now in selections that make me wonder whats going on in his mind. I just cant make sense of his selctions at times. Im in no way denying SAF’s brilliance, but I am saying that we should not always rant at the players, because they not all always to blame for off days. And is there anyone out there who can justify playing Walbeck on the left wing? Or playing Foster after pre season shockers and league game shockers as well? And if Owen was rested as he should have been mid week, we would have had him available to come on when we needed him. His decisions lately just puzzle me.
There were a few components that contributed to the draw yesterday.
Firstly though we must congratulate Sunderland for their perfomance.
They came with a game plan and it almost worked.
But SAF changing the team around a bit too much and I felt that affected the flow and fluidity of the United team. It was almost disjointed.
The team just didn’t seem up for it and similarly as against Wolsberg is took a goal to wake us up. A lack of motivation or taking the opposition for granted was apparent.
The defence coupled with Ben Foster seem to lack communication.
Ben Foster has let some cheap goals in against Arsenal, City, and again Sunderland. He either needs to step up his game or continue sitting on the bench. This is the best chance he is ever gonna get with VDS being injured and he hasn’t taken it as say Johnny Evans did in central defence.
O’Shea is a very good utility player but I don’t think he is a first team starter. Neville isn’t good enough anymore and Fabio isn’t quite there yet. For the second time I saw O’Shea stand off a player for them to put a ball in. He let Bellamy run across him in the derby to score a stunning goal and again let the ball go in for Jones to score. That goal was a legitimate goal too by the way Foster should have palmed or punched out. Brown is better than O’Shea at right back. Even the goal against Wolfsbery came in from the left wing again.
United to our credit did not give up and as true champions didn’t give up without a fight. The referee didn’t allow time for the United goal in added time. But in the end this was a good opportunity to pull away from the pack hoping Chelski and The Bin Dippers draw.
But this is why we support United. Because they put us through days like this. One Love One United.
Well, do we want to be level on points with Chelsea, or a point ahead of them and Pool? I would prefer to be a point clear. I hate liverpool too but if they win we outright leaders, not just on goal difference.
DanS Said,
Is Wazza out now till November (birth of child, international break)?
– think he’s been out for a couple of weeks already! (only kidding people am not havin a go!)
Love SAF, but the rotation is too much, the team is not settled, especially midfield and it shows, they also all seem uneasy and lack confidence. Less rotation. No Foster. Thankfully Berba performance a positive.
A ludicrous performance that could have cost us the title. Where was Giggs, Fergie? Next week there’s only internationals and Giggs wasn’t even on the bench! So why bother rest him? And as for starting Welbeck! Do you realise that every time you change 7 players you lose points? That was the case against Burnley and now Sunderland. And as for Foster, he should be shown the door.
WHY WE ALL CALLING FOR GOOD CROSSES INTO THE BOX ANYWAY, WE GOT 2 6FT PLAYERS IN THE BOX? NO
SO WE NEED TO PLAY TO FEET AROUND THE BOX BECAUSE OF BERBS N WAYNE,OUT OF THIS WORLD WITH BALL AT THEIR .FEET. NOT NOTICED ROONEYS FACE WHEN A HIGH BALL COMES IN. OBERTAN LOOKS TALL BUT IF HE ON WING HE WONT BE GETTING ON THE END OF THEM WILL HE!
ALTHOUGH HE PLAYS LEFT OR RIGHT OR THRU MIDDLE,
THINK WE NEED TO SPEND IN JANUARY LIKE.
When is Obertan going to play?? I have had it with foster. i think this game will mark the end of his united and England carreer. We missed Michael Owen YEsterday.. Anyways, United alll the way… We gotta kill it in the remaining games and I think Sir alexs hair drier will Do the needful.
we learned a few of things from the game.
1. wellbeck is not good in wide areas but is very good in the middle specially his off the ball movement in and around the penalty area.
2. nani’s decision making and intelligence on the pitch is very low.
3. valencia has a one track mind but he does his job well.
4. of all the current stars in their prime and future stars of united, giggs still looks the best (and that is not a good sign for the team). we missed his creativity and desire. i don’t know how are we going to replace him when he retires.
5. Anderson did put some energy in our midfield in the second half but he has a lot of work to do to prove himself. specially his shooting because without that he will never be a complete attacking midfielder.
6. Foster could be half blamed for the second goal, but half of it must also go to o’shea for not closing down quickly.
welbeck not good enough in wide areas??? because of one game???? his been brilliant on the wings before for us like v spurs in the fa cup last season its 1 game where the team played shit so ya cant expet a young boy 2 play on his own
berbatov….. marry me
hey hi guys,im from maurtius and i’m a great fan of manchester united and r.of mancunia of course……. berbatov was the best on the field again















lol… so nice of Anton to give us a point. Thanx man.