Ahead of today’s victory over Burnley, about 300 United fans showed up at O’Briens in the Stretford Arndale to talk about what we’re going to do to reclaim our club. With reds divided on what is the best course of action, it was an opportunity for the supporters groups to get an idea of what the fans wanted to do.
As the microphone got passed around, the ideas ranged from brilliant to insane, but I really think we might be on to something.
Here were the main points:
- Draft a letter for as many fans as possible to send to Sir Alex Ferguson to ask for his resignation. As a socialist and a man concerned for the club, he should show the Glazers exactly what he thinks of them. Poor results and failure to qualify for Europe would mean the Glazers could no longer afford to even keep us afloat and we would go in to administration.
- When attending matches, don’t buy anything inside the ground. No programmes, no food, no beer.
- Don’t attend matches and don’t renew your season tickets. 20,000 or so fans haven’t renewed over the past five years, let’s keep pushing that number up.
- Get a figurehead for the movement. Eric Cantona?
- Get famous reds on board. Ian Brown, Manny etc. to increase the publicity.
- Team up with Liverpool supporters groups (this suggestion was booed and generally ridiculed).
- Have picket lines outside the ground and get leafleting going to raise awareness.
- Stick together. Whether you love or hate FC, whether you go to the games or you don’t, the division between us must be healed to allow us to work together in reclaiming out club.
But the best idea, the one that I think could actually happen and start to make a difference…
- Don’t go in to the ground until 5-10 minutes after kick off against AC Milan. With the eyes of the world watching, an empty stadium would really send out a message.
If we could all meet outside Sir Matt Busby’s statue and get the anti-Glazer chants going, then pour in to the stadium still chanting them, it would really draw attention to what we’re trying to do.
Realistically, we’re not going to be able to raise the money amongst fans to reclaim our club, so our issue now is raising awareness and getting people on board.
Lots of people there wanted full scale boycotts, with them already giving up their season tickets or not buying tickets for the games anymore. For me personally, I don’t see what not going to games brings. If I don’t pay £700+ for my season ticket, somebody else will. Whilst they were pleased that 20,000+ people had given up their season ticket, the point to note is the attendance figure isn’t down by 20,000+. Some people believe giving up their tickets is the best way to get Glazer out, and respect to them for putting in to practice something that must be so difficult for the sake of our club. But there are plenty of people who don’t believe giving up their seat will help solve our problems. If we all give up our tickets, our seats will still get filled, but by people who just fancy a day out. And then what?
Today, for the last ten minutes or so, there was continuous anti-Glazer chanting, which wouldn’t go on if we weren’t there. A group of lands unfurled a LUHG banner, before being chased out, then carried out. The best platform for us to get our message across is from inside the ground, with the media watching and reporting.
WE WANT GLAZER OUT!
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The empty stadium for 10 minutes against AC Milan is a brilliant idea, however not renewing season tickets and not buying anything in the stadium is not sensible that only sends an inside message and we need all the funds we can get anyway. However an empty stadium for 5-10 minutes shows the WHOLE WORLD of the disapproval of the Glazers which would be in the newspapers everywhere and pressure would build up momentously on the glazers.
All of them ideas are terrible, they are awful. All those idea’s do are quicken the process of United ‘down fall’. Sticking with FC United fans is correct though they are still reds after all and have the same ideas as we do.
Glazers need to go i support that 100% but we have to be realistic just because we dont buy a programme they wont leave, Better idea’s are ones that have been suggested like making huge flags to hang over the tiers at the ground like “GLAZER OUT” “FUCK OFF GLAZER” etc etc bring back plenty of LUHG chants. This way we arent damaging our own club’s reputation buy not selling out our famous ground, we should just make sure the glazers know we hate them and want them gone.
Sad state of affairs. It’s going to cost us a lot this season. No team is successful when there’s crap going on upstairs.
My fear is they’ll sell the assets, sell the naming rights, before they leverage an inflated price from guys who actually care about the club.
Maybe get the US supporters working to embarrass them in their own backyard.
No Scott – those fuckers won’t leave United like that – in fact that will cause the opposite affect where by that will give them all the excuses in the world to asset strip the club to there hearts content.
We do not carry on for them – we carry on for our club – and somewhere along the line hope that their are United supporters out there with genuine humility to take the club on.
What a joke this all this.. A plan is needed and some decent ideas there, but Fergie has backed these debt-laden thieves from the word go.
Thank you for sharing this Scott. The ideas mentioned above are interesting to say the very least. But, for one, I think the idea of not attending games is something I just do not agree with. While I understand ticket prices are high, I think the players thrive on the support of the fans. A half packed OT would certainly demoralize the squad.
While showing up 5-10minutes late to the Milan game would certainly make a strong statement, I would not be in favor of it. Again, this goes back to encouraging our players. I distinctly remember the second leg of the Barcelona semi final two years ago, and the unbelievable atmosphere within OT. I am sure that a large part of the team’s magnificent performance that night was inspired by the home fans. Can you imagine how de moralizing it would be for the lads to walk out to an empty stadium, on a European night?
As much as we are opposed to the Glazers, I think it is essential to do as much as possible to not distract the players. With defensive crises, re building efforts, and a long season as is, an off field distraction is the last thing the lads would need.
Empty stadium against Milan for the first 10 mins seems a brilliant idea …it would be great if we can convince people
Thanks for the update Scott. Couldn’t be there today due to family commitment but am very interested to hear the views put forward. I understand the socialist point of view regarding SAF resigning but the thought of the club without its most central figure at a time like this terrifies me. Without SAF to hold things together in the dressing room, the whole thing could implode instantly – if that meant we’d be rid of the parasitic gimps once and for all I could accept it but I fear they’d find some gutter level way to squirm their way through the impact.
i’ve been boycotting everything inside the ground since the Glazers took over so am whole heartedly in favour of that one – it’s shocking to see the queues from the day tripper brigade at every kiosk – it makes me scream! I like the idea of as many public signs of unrest as possible so the Milan late arrival could work. What about thousands of A3 sized ‘red cards’ with ‘Glazers out’ to be held up constantly during games at set times? Cameras are bound to focus in on any public sign from the masses.
United Forever… Glazers OUT!!!
AC Milan match could be too late tough
by not buyin tickets will only kill the club, the debt’s not goin anywhere. Somethin we could do is raise money as fans. They reckon there’s about 600 million fans around the world. If we can get on average a pound fifty off everyone then we can buy the club like barca. I’d put 150quid at least. As would every season ticket holder. Got to be worth lookin at
Dyed in the wool reds giving up season tickets and not attending games just doesn’t work cos the tickets then go to the casuals there for the day out. We lose collective strength indicated by the reduction in noise/passion inside the ground. We need all genuine fans standing alongside each other if we are to have any chance of making enough noise for people to sit up & take notice.
Somehow we need to convince everyone who calls themselves a United fan to join the fight.
I like the idea of having signs made inside the stadium about the glazers….not being there in the beginning of the match with milan could backfire on the players, and we dont want to do that.
another thought is to get the tampa bay bucs fans to also put pressure. they are no happy with the glazers either.
Scott the red, who is the new author on RoM?
Buying our club should be possible with our worldwide fan base of 300 million + , as stretford972 said we can run like the barcelona model ….buying back the club is best option, we should try to work it out in some way
Is that what happened today, the lads were ejected for unfurling a fucking “banner”? I heard all the booing and saw the stewards. The anti Glazer chants seemed to pick up momentum but not nearly enough people joined in. Fuck me hordes of the plastic cunts were leaving with 15 minutes to go?
It was much better I thought without the fan fare coming on when the lads came out and the new banner looked top.
Arriving 5 minutes late for Milan game? That is the fucking norm now anyway innit? People arriving 2 minutes after kick off.
Simple answer to all of this, attend FCUM games untill Glazers leave…
It will cost you nothing, with season tickets priced at 90.00 for adults and 21.00 for children (u18)
Dont pay glazer or work for sky,
Still sing citys gonna Die,
2 uniteds but the soul is one,
as the busby babes carry on….
LUHG
We could also do with hundreds of us out on Sir Matt Busby Way & areas outside the ground talking to those who are not fully on board yet with the fight. ( just think how many charity collectors with buckets we actually walk past between the tram stop and ground) A complete stadium of disgruntled protesting fans is what we need. Any dilution of this with large areas of fans not committed will lessen the impact.
With the right warning & organisation, surely we could protest down the Warwick Road en mass and gather in front of the ground – thousands doing that would get some attention.
Anyone attending the AC milan home game, buy some LUHG stickers…
Cover OT with them…
Well under the circumstances Fergi is doing the right thing. Imagin what would happen if he resigns. i think he shares our feeling but some of the supposed actions would make things worse and he don’t want that to happen to a club he give more than 1/3 of his life. Many people do not understand how he handled the matter in 2005, without him(if he reacted like fans) we would not be what we are now; three EPL, 1CL. so don’t criticize fergi for working with the owners. he cares more to the club than us.
imho the glazers wouldnt listen if we blew an atomic bomb in london.. their only thoughs goes to finance and business
It seems to me that if real fans don’t renew season tickets, they will be taken up by the plastic ones who come late and leave early…
10 minute absence idea is a decent one – i’d be up for it. I was there today and loving the anti-Glazer chants – I wonder what Fergie really thinks when he hears those noises coming down from the stands? Noises from proper, knowledgeable fans – the fan heritage you can afford to ignore. Not the fucking daytrippers with their Megastore bags….
Funny isn’t it, how many United ‘fans’ appear to have had their heads up their arses for several years now, ignoring the elephant in the room – i.e. the vast, acccumlating cancer of debt which has retarded the development of the team and the infrastructure of the club. Funny that this week’s news has only now reminded most of us how fucked the club really is under the Glazers’ ownership – and how unbelievable it is that they were allowed to secure the club in the way they did.
The Glazers are cold, dead-eyed, venal fucking leeches with one goal only – to reservice the debt, run the club on a shoestring and sell it off down the line to some cash rich consortium / sovereign wealth fund / sugar daddy, making several hundred million profit for themselves. The problem is that their plan is dangerous chemistry and they may get the composition of it subtly wrong – result: a ruined club. The only consolation might be that it would take them under as well. Scant consolation though, if we’re irreparably damaged.
Not renewing your season ticket is a matter of conscience for each individual fan – but you know that if you give it up, some rich Chinese student or plastic will snaffle it up and spend the match taking fucking photos instead of singing or watching the match….
Fucked up situation really. If Glazer makes the situation any worse I’d be worried if I were him – there are some very handy reds who’d quite happily squeeze him to a pulp like a Florida orange.
LUHG.
PS: Weren’t we shit today? Again!
This would be outstandingly emotional to me and the majority of all us.
GLAZER OUT
buy back the club, by first educating all fans on what is happening and what will eventually happen, we fans dont have problem with the team so why leave them anlone……united we stand so lets standup and buy the club
lol @ SAF being a socialist. Is this The Sun or RoM I’m reading? Christ.
Attending the Milan games 5-10 minutes later than normal sounds a good idea, but I doubt how much that would affect the Glazers. 1) They would still get their ticket money and that’s all that matters to them. 2) I think they already realize that the world is aware that the fans are against them.
Boycotting certain things seems like a good avenue, but how do we do that without hurting SAF and the team? It’s not easy.
fcum-passion
Why not get some fans to join the party,not attend
Just get a racket going on before the Milan match.
hire a sharp shooter and shoot those cocksucking motherfucking bastards!
whatever happens
THIS IS STILL OUR CLUB
Vinesh
i agree with you. there is no point of doing something that affects the team(not the business part of it). given our struggle this season the players need our support more than ever.
Then what?
More financial collapse and yet another major investor moves in, takes over control of the debt and the club, more loans are taken out in the name of Manchester United, situation doesn’t change.
Not renewing season tickets, does nothing, others will snap them up.
The only real solution, is a bit like the war bonds in the 40′s, they are a temporary loan to the club, which are all bought back by the club not an individual, in other words, a bond is sold to the value of maybe £1, £5, £10 etc upto a maximum of say £100, this is brought by the fans, with over 300 million fans worldwide we could all by at least £2 pounds worth as an example, over a period of time the club becomes solvent again the debt removed, then each bond can be brought back with maybe a small profit to the buyer, it is treated like a christmas club, you get back what you paid into it and eventually the club buys all these back, the bonds(shares)are not transferrable to any third party, cannot be sold only back to the club, that way all the fans can be instrumental in making us debt free, without any great hardship to themselves or the great club of Manchester United, personally i dont think whether the Glazers are at the helm or anyone else, they will still have a problem until this debt is removed and all interest payments are not taking all the profit right now.
If these bonds went on sale tomorrow i am pretty certain that the majority of United fans would want to help and would snap these up in days, rather than weeks ans a massive injection of cash would bring down that debt in a short time, this way the club could become strong and any owner need not worry about whether they would lose the club to any outsider, anyway thats my opinion for what its worth, can it be implimented who knows?
Worth exploring maybe?
Macheda IS GOD,
ill spread the word and see what i can do,
I havnt attended a man united game in 5 years now, GLAZER OUT!!!!
I think if you’re going to boycott matches (regardless of whoever else is going to replace your seat), you should attend FC United whenever possible. Raise the profile of the club with both sets of fans and anti-Glazer chants and hatred. The only way to get Glazer out is to stop attending the matches.
manu4life, Just two things
1) change your username “man u” is an insult…
2) The players will understand, i hope (apart from Rio)…
Put a hit out on the whole lot of them…we surely have enough support in that fan segment….
Okay it will hurt, but the only solution is to hit the Glazers where it will hurt them most, their pockets.
STOP Attending ALL United’s matches. No fans = no income = NO GLAZERS.
Come on you United fans, stick it to the Glazer thieving bastards. You want rid of them, DON’T pay the bastards to continue to rape the club.
Better that the club go into receivership, that way they’ll get VERY LITTLE RETURN as their stupid financiers will get their money first leaving nothing for the glazers. The supports can eventually get the club back at a rock bottom price.
COME ON, stick it to the Yankee rip off merchants. BOYCOTT THE CLUB WE LOVE TO SAVE IT FROM BEING COMMITED TO AN INGLORIOUS DEATH!!!
020luke190
it is a bad idea. you are telling me to abandon the club because of gazers? i hate them but i love united than hate glazers.
i bought my fc united jersey on line yesterday
not to be worn in support of the team but to support there message and my own little anti glazier stance
Hello Scott,
I am an Indian. Do you guys have some ideas how we guys can help?
manu4life…
How is it a bad idea…You are not abandoning your club, You are saving it..
Boycotting the first 10 minutes of Milan game would be a decent awareness-raising exercise, but then what ? This nightmare calls for a sustained campaign.
I am genuinely terrified by the financial situation and its implications, and think short term concerns such as damaging the players’ concentration, damaging the cash flow, etc must be put into proper context: this is about what shape United are in 5, 10, 20 years time, not what we win this May.
If you have cancer but don’t want to die of it, you undergo the gruesome ordeal of chemotherapy.
Sustained non co-operation of every kind is the only way.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Twenty+Eyes
yes it is. not supporting the team when they needed it most is what you guys are proposing. I think let people like david gill and Fergi handle it. if we create coatic things it will affect the team.
good one united fans keep the momentum going, its a shame the ideas cant really effect the position the club are in.
Man U may have once been used as an insult now it is just a generic abbreviation of Manchester United. Let’s not be like the dippers and linger on our histories
anyone here the away end singin “we got more money than you” at us?sadly this very well may be the case!!startin to find all this dept talk very depressing
fcum-passion
whats the top anti glazier chants so that we could learn
chrispiano
man u is the worst thing a united fan can cal the club its disrespectful to the lost and injuried of 1958 and disrespectful mostly to duncan edwards . learn the reason why before you tell people its old news that thats an insult. I know you dont know the meaning behind man u because if you did youd never defend someone using it
@chrispiano
If I wrote wat i wrote before it would be under moderation but just scrol down these comment to near the end and you’ll read whats wrote by myself on the man u issue . learn.
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/ron-i-dont-want-to-play-against-friends-at-united/
We need to start making our voices heard! This is our club and it is embarrasing at Old Trafford, i was in full voice today but enough people care and it makes me sick. All the day trippers or tourists dont know what it means. We need to start simple, by being more vocal in the ground. Not just the last 10 mins we should start from the beginning to the end.
We should stand up all game singing Malcom Glaziers going to die and get louder and louder.
We play City at home on the 27th, we should start then, drown the blue noses out and dont sing fuck all to them! We have bigger fish to fry.
Well done to the lads with the LUHG flag in stretty end, it looked class from where we were in K.
thanks for the briefing,and yes we wondered whats the chants-do tell us so we could learn and sing as well – I hate Glazers, but I don’t want Sir out- no way it have to more natural,more expected,we have to be ready- his legacy is soooooooooooo huge- Love man utd and SAF
GHTT,
there are loads…everyone look em up on youtube, learn them and sing them for 90 mins at the milan game…
Hes gonna die,
hes gonna die,
malcolm glazers gonna die,
how well kill him i dont know,
cut him up from head to toe,
all i know is glazers gonna die,
WE WANT GLAZER OUT
I SAID WE WANT GLAZER OUT
glazer in a coma, i hope, ihope its serious…
die die die die die die, Glazer die…
Dont pay glazer or work for sky,
still sing citys gonna die,
2 uniteds but the soul is one,
as the busby babes carry on,
Many more, go on youtube too see the tune they are sang too aswell…
LU-HG
uniteds red army has it right. i know it’s probably not THAT simple but it’s the right idea and he gets brushed over by you people foaming at the mouth at each other. it’s embarrassing…almost liverpool embarrassing when it all starts getting like this.
the sort of thinking that needs to be done is less “hate your own life take it out with rage and overkilled passion” and more critical and classy…that’s what makes us different than those fucks singing about plane crashes.
I know what it means but let it go. Just because it was once used as an insult but the people that say it now don’t use it as an insult. I’m not defending it IF IT WAS USED AS INSULT, but it’s become a general term for Manchester United. I wasn’t saying that it was old news, I was trying to be light hearted about it all and not put a too serious tone on the comments.
We have to get a famous name on board to raise publicity. Lets be honest here, if fergie talks about the owners it would be sucicidal, hed lose his job and the glazers would employ the cheapest alternative. The only real hope we have is to raise publicity and hope a billionaire united supporter somewhere sees and buys the club, putting it back on the stock exchange.
The term Man U was commonly used by United fans for many a year and is still used by the old reds today.
People slating others for using the term Man U, do so as they think its part of the top red bible. One reason the younger fans hate the term Man U, is down to the way other clubs fans especially those from down South call United, Man U.
Chke out any pin badges, patches etc from the 70;s and 80′s and you will see they have the wording Man U on them, as did chants back in the 80′s.
There is nothing wrong with using Man U as a term for the club, we have to many fans preaching from the top red bible.
What we have to rememebr is that we are Manchester United fans and whilst we dont support the owner, we support the manager the players and The Team. That team need us in the ground to suport them, to encourage tem on and to sing to them our support, especially when times are tough and we need a goal.
Sir Alex Ferguson is the only man for this club at this current time and we will be a lot stringer club with him in charge than without him. Some of the players came to this club to play for Sir Alex, Ronney included, encouraging the manager to leave will oonly see other players leave and new ones not wanting to come.
This is about supporting and fighting for Manchester United, not a recruitment drive for another football club. FCUM is not Manchester United, it never has been and it never will be.
What this fight against the owner needs if constructive protests, something to highlight the plight and to eventually attract a new owner.
Theres only two ways the Glazers will go.
1 – They go completely bankrupt which is not good for the club and Manchester United.
2 – A new owner buys them out.
Dont always be fooled by wealth, a Shiek or Abramovich can leave as fast as they arrive and that brings its own problems.
Fight the owners, but support the team.
it’s generally a term for people that are ignorant about it or people that are assholes. pretty simple.
Agree with Giggs11Gerrard0 – remember when SAF said he was going to leave… we sang ‘every single one of us loves Alex Ferguson’ continuously for the last half hour in the away end at Spurs. It was fantastic and LOUD! The Anti Glazer songs & visual protests should fill every ground we play in every week!
These parasitic arseholes are a disgrcefuk insult to OUR fantastic club. We are the ones who have grown up with United as our greatest love… we are the ones with the history of the club im printed on our hearts. The day trippers & casuals will never understand. WE must stick together as one. FC United boys included, even if they don’t go in the ground, they can make a huge contribution. After all, we all want th same thing but at the moment we are at odds at how to achieve it.
LUHG – Forever and ever, we’ll follow the boys
well 1 point I wish was brought up was take the protest in london into the heart of english football the FA and the premier league and even the house of commens, show how much anger we have when you take it there we are def getting the message accross.
parasite – An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host
a perfect way to describe the ugly bastard malcolm glazer
Sorry did forget to say that if a bond scheme were introduced it would be done by an independant organisation who would be held responsible for the money raised and paying of the big debt owed by United, this same company could over time see that any bond was brought back by the club, that way no owner could have access to the money, it could be treated like a debt, like a receiver was in place and they would make sure everything was above board.
If i paid £2 pounds for bonds and it took 10 years to get my back my money would i worry? very simply no i wouldn’t, this is what makes the scheme workable, its a big debt but done in small amounts and everyone gets to help the club they say they love so much.
Certainly would sort out the plastics right? cos theres nothing in it for anyone, apart from helping Manchester United stay debt free and free to concentrate on what they do best, making yet more history.
Mags -Your spot on, when we all sang every single one of us loves Alex Ferguson was brilliant and when he changed his mind we sang it for Cathy. That was class.
Anyone who goes away knows how good the singing is, that is what it should be like at home. The south stand should be the only quieter section due to families, older generation etc
We need to turn OT back to how it used to be, the way we are so quiet just buys into the corporate cunts that want it that way. People feel shamed to sing all game because they think it is frowned upon.
Fuck the prawns, fuck the tourists, fuck the stewards, lets get bouncing but with a purpose, lets reclaim Old Trafford.
If people sat around you tell you to sit down, tell them to fuck off and move to Tampa and watch the Bucaneers.
GHTT and Chrispiano – The reason I’ve always never said Man U, and when we were kids we used to laugh when someone did, is because girls would say it and people who weren’t really interested in football…the word United sounds good in a dulcet northern tone, where as U sounds effeminate.
Totally agree Giggs11 – we’ve had a bit of that ‘sod you day tripper I’m leaping up n down & screaming’ attitude around us recently and when it happens it’s great but it’s not frequent enough. A lot of the lads who’ve always joined in & made noise are either not there every week or sadly not there at all any more. There’s still enough of us to get these sad bastards singing so let’s go for it!
PS Even though there seems to be dozens of empty seats in our section every week, it’s still a bugger being ‘succesful’ in the away ballot every game – I’ve been mugged yet again for the Arse game! We still have the best away following in the land – that’s something to make us smile tonight… fuck the Glazers!
Now retaking the atmosphere on what was the terraces is another big contentious battle, this one is easier, yeah maybe we have to sit down (for now) but all it takes is about 2 or 3 thousand people to take in flags banners etc and if one steward comes even close to throwing one person out then all hell breaks loose lol, after a couple of big struggles it will be better for them to back off and leave us alone that time, so next time they will try again, even harder, again more of the same, when they see we will not give in(bearing in mind the rest of the ground will be watching this) and will probably join in, its only because we all gave up, that they won.
Like any war you have to have a few battles, me a militant? fuck yeah
chrispiano
man u is an insult to the munich air crash . i dont give a shit what day year hour or minute it is right now its still disrespectful. go tell Harry Gregg to get over it it was years ago people now have a right to use the insult.
Jake – Hi! How’s life? It’s a pity you post so rarely, mate.
Jake – well where I grew up we all said united, never Man U.
giggs11gerrard0 – yes it is all fine and dandy but the methods MUST and IMUSA are using to try and get the message are to old fassioned. You want to get your voices heard not just off the papers go to parliment in your thousands, march to the FA the premier league go and say what you think, even demand their resignations because for me thats where the buck stops with them, the people who are running our game are complete joke they are clowns. It took a english newspaper to find out the guy trying to buy west ham is a fraud, we need rules change to ownership structures of clubs because the fit and proper test is a complete joke.
Maybe I’m wrong, but most of the measures discussed like not attending matches or not buying refreshments or supporting FC United are all measures that seem misguided.
Making a late entrance at the Milan game after 10-15 mins doesn’t make sense either. So you make a point, then what happens next? In the process, you disturb the preparations of the players and potentially cause the club exiting the CL. More loss of revenue at the very least.
Asking Sir Alex to resign is seriously daft.
Any measure taken to reduce the revenues of the club will only hurt the club in the long run. The Glazers could always pay off their debt by selling the club’s infrastructure. But the damage caused to the reputation of the club and the team will take a long time to redress.
I would back the idea of finding a way to organize the tremendous support that Man Utd enjoys across the globe, mobilizing it and then trying to see if there is a way to organize a joint fund, say 50 pounds per member for example.
I didn’t say get over it and if you read SEFs post he said what i was trying to say in a much better.
I do object to people using the term Man U, WHEN USED AS AN INSULT. All i was trying to say is it has become a general (not offensive) abbreviation of Manchester United to most people and if they don’t know what it can mean then it doesn’t bother me.
Uniteds Res Army – I like your style mate and yuo are absolutely true, when stewards and police get heavy on away games we just get louder and louder. We just keep bouncing, like the way it should be. Dont get me worng not in a violent way or theiving or anything like that.
You dont have to be a hooligan to support your club in the right way, 3-0 down at Fulham singing this is how it feels to be city was quality, last week at brum when they were calling us shit, we sang world champions twice once more than England world champions twice an it was brillaint.
Hull next Saturday we should get it going, let these fuckers know Manchester United is not a choice for us it is a path!
Rooney New King – agree the Prem League, FA etc are a complete joke but if anything was ever going to attract their pompous attention, it needs a total coming together of ALL football fans across the country. MUST & IMUSA wrote to all fans groups asking for support when the Glazer bid was first made & as expected the stupid ABU nation found it all a big joke. The Scousers sang their USA songs & look where it’s landed them (they are shite!)
If everyone joined together then we may have a chance to change the way the game is run – remember… us fans are viewed by the authority as ‘small fry’ cos we don’t provide millions of pounds each but collectively we do.
mags the red – I am frustrated I cant get there to the meetings, but if you do get this point across tell MUST and IMUSA go to where the problem truly lies the FA and premier league headquaters they are the ones also who need to be held accountable, go to houses of parliment and protest and ppl will really then stand up and take notice.
Rooney the new king – The reason for the meeting today was to drum up support and ideas. I am full member on MUST to promote the cause of people who dedicate their time to find ways to get our club back.
Things maybe old fashioned but thats where we need to start espicially just for joe average like myself. I attend every home and a lot of aways so I want to start on the terraces.
If the best course of action was to march to the FA then get your ideas out there mate this is what it is all about. Us as fans seeing what we can do to out these parasites.
I think the milan game idea is fantastic, im heading to that game and if thats happening then thats what ill be doing, it makes a statment on tv about the fans standing up. also DONT SPEND MONEY INSIDE THE GROUND is an amazing idea. I wont be buying anything but on the flip side ill be going with emily to a game next month and ill have to spend money inside the ground and i can understand others having to do that
Fair point Rooney New King – will get that message across. In the meantime, you & anyone else who cares about United (or any club for that matter) should write to their MP and raise these issues. I know MUST & IMUSA were suggesting this as a possible course of action.We could probably do with someone drafting a letter that we could all copy n edit if we wanted…Scott are you interested?
For the first time in my life, I’m looking forward to those sad politicians canvassing support for the election coming to knock on my door – they are going to get the full force of my frustration… Yes, there is something I want you to raise in Parliament… how long have you got?
obviously this has to be a long-term strategy – they are here for the next few years whether we like it or not. But the more opposition there is the less likely they are to stay on long-term, when they need more refinancing… strangely the less successful we are on the pitch the more chance of the club changing hands! eek
Forgot to add I think it would be insane to ask Sir Alex to resign, cant see that being the route we need to take?
brilliant scott empty stadium idea is brilliant! could you let me know soon if its going to go ahead im from ireland and will try my best to get over for it please let me no!
giggs11gerrard0 – I love that MUST and IMUSA are doing I just find some ideas needs more substance a effective way to get the glazers out, I am landed the media are also pressuring them telling other fans the media are like a cancer on subjects like this enough headlines and it really gets the message home.
Because if I can attend those meetings that is what I would put across completly drill that message to the true clowns in all this the FA the premier league and even the goverment all need to be held accountable. there is a strong fanbasde in the US lets hope they can really scare them in their own home, abuse them make them feel unsafe.
- But for me if it is possible we need to have barwick and scumdamore hand in their resignations for how they let parasites like them buy pompey united and liverpool, also wouldnt it be a great opertunity for pompey united and liverpool fans to all come band together has one as a massive unit and pressure them I tell you with that many fans can you imagine the monster it would create.
Exactly the point I made earlier – SAF is crucial to United remaining anywhere near the top of the league. If he went, things would crumble straight away. The players believe in him and so do we. Despite what some people say about him helping the Glazers, we simply have to trust that he feels exactly the same as us & maybe he can keep things as steady as poss until we can kick Glazers ugly face back to the USA- at least we’ve got that hope to cling on to at the moment.
DIE DIE GLAZERS DIE!!!! Some sort of petition to the FA maybe
hey there all! (long time reader, 1st time poster here!)
as one poster from India said.. any idea how us people (from all over the world) can help you guys there to fight the fight?
and about Man U.. yes its really big insult to every United loving fan and those who died… bigger problem is:
on official merchandise its written Man U !! (inside hats, hoodies,…)
It is time scousers mancs throw away their petty differences and come together has one, even add the pompey fans in all this to band together has one and make one giant protest, we have had enough our teams reflect the money penny pinching parasite freaks has they are.
- My rule and only is you dont leverage to buy a football club, and after you buy a football club you cant borrow against the clubs assets or anything else, for me the glazers have tried to cheat the football financial rules that us fans see, by borrowing heavily but put very little into the club, like hyke ticket prices and this hideos cup scheme that was a total disgrace.
mags the red – you know if I sign up for the site is that voice still strong or do you have to attend meetings to get your voice accross because I would love to attend meetings.
the only way to really get the glazers out if the various supporters groups around the world joined together to form a trust with the simple task of raising funds to BUY them out. these glazer blood suckers are there to get what they can out of the club. it is possible to get backing from various institutions and organisations who would have a minority share in united, with the knowledge that there investment would bring them profitable returns. it can be done. it’s good to raise awareness and the various ideas proposed are ood, but ultimately we need to own the club.
Rooney the new king – I will put this across at the next meeting mate! I just fear that our options to out them are limited! We can place plenty of blame but we needs someone to buy them out!
Rooney New King – MUST & IMUSA appreciate any form of support people can give. Membership is only £10 then there are optional contributions into the Phoenix Fund for those who want to contribute. They use this fund to fight the battle to get our club back. As a member you are welcome to make suggestions, express opinions etc & be part of something with like minded reds.
Hopefully there will be more meetings/gatherings as the force is mobilised… hopefully this is the start of our voices being truly heard by the authorities before it’s much too late.
gigg11gerrard0 – thanks if I could attend the meeting I would, but what I was suggesting was a way for the fans to really get their voices heard so even more united fans will smell the coffee. I understand some of the ways but for me the other bastards are bthe ones running our game.
gerrard0giggs11 and mags the red – Agree completely with your comments about the day trippers at OT. The thing is though that when it wants to be Old Trafford CAN still be rocking. Just not often enough. It should be like Barca 08, Villa last season and City EVERY week.
Something has to happen and it has to happen soon, I think the first 10mins of AC Milan game being boycotted is a good idea and it would also be very visually strong.
However much I hate Glazer I cannot boycott the games though, I love United and will watch them as much as possible. I couldn’t force myself to not watch a game when I know I could so the not renewing season tickets etc idea I cannot agree with.
I also have to disagree with asking Sir Alex to resign, although I do see some sense behind this request – that the team would lose their focal point thus forcing the team to be less successful and damaging the worldwide United ‘brand’ thus worrying Glazers enough they decide to jump ship I love Ferguson and the thought of him leaving the club, be it for the overall good, I find very distrubing!
I don’t have a problem with the FC fans either, I acknowledge that what they are doing is out of pride for Manchester United and I always look out for FCs results and crack a smile when I see they have won.
Overall I’m puzzled as the next fan as to what to do with this virus that is spreading through our great club, infected with the Glazers mounting debt. My love of United is too strong for me to turn my back on them, I just hope the LUHG movement really step up the intimidation and we can get Glazer to fuck off before we’re attending United home games at a leased Old Trafford or, worst still, a sponsored Nike Stadium or Air Asia Arena etc.
LUGH Glazer Out!
Giggs11Gerrard FUCK ALL – ” let these fuckers know Manchester United is not a choice for us it is a path”!
Great line pal.
rtnk – The scousers and United fans get together. Oh the irony. Not a bad idea all the same.
Ive got an idea, how about showing your support for the club by all going out and buying a United shirt with name printing on the back, something like FC United instead of one of the players names. That way there is a massive influx of cash to United that allows the Glazers to pay off the debt, forreign fans know who to avoid like the plague so they dont get picked on because they dont come from manchester. Then FC United can make a real effort in getting rid of the debt and making the terraces manc again. All the prawn eating forreigners will feel too intimidated to come to matches with crowds of FC United support shouting songs like Glazers will fucking die and chants like “offer the malaysian supporters to the tiddle wave” or “we should have given Malta to the Germans (Malta supporters will be thrilled)”. Maybe we should get rid of the st georges cross flag with the letters MUFC in the corners – afterall Manchester>England, instead adopt the Iraqi flag, and beg for a sheik to save us from the evil Americans.
With you lads and lasses out there fighting our battle, the club is in safe hands.
Can’t agree more King Eric – the place should be bouncing every week – we should be blowing grounds like the Britannia away on Sky’s precious decibel level thingy.
In a slightly sadistic way, do you find yourself being not too upset if we go behind at home to naff sides cos then the atmosphere is really cranked up & it’s memorable again! Who could ever forget United 4 Blackburn 1 a couple of Easters ago when Scholesy scored that magnificent equaliser and the place rocked. Spurs 5-2 after being 2 down etc
Shame we cant take the roof off from the start every week like we do away from home (more atmosphere in the Blaise than many home games)
Meant to add in last post as much as I hate the dippers the last thing I would want is to see them go to the wall. United and Liverpool are England’s 2 most successful and historic clubs. Whatever everyone says there will always be a mutual respect between the two.
Mags – Yeah I know what you mean about going behind but not this season as at times we look like we may not get back into it! Although an interesting stat is that we are the only team this season that go on to win EVERY game from a winning position. Anyway yeah I forgot to mention the Spurs game and Blackburn. Struggled in first half then Scholesy beat 3 men and slotted home. You can just hear even today though when the volume is cranked up just how loud it can get.
Rooney – wonder if SAF is aware of that stat? He should put strongest possible line up out at start of every game for rest of season, tell them to bombard oppo in first 20mins, get in front and then we’ll bag 4 in a row & I’ll get to Madrid as a hatrick after Moscow & Rome… what a great thought!
Sorry King Eric – that post should have acknowledged you. Apologies my friend!
mags the red – well to be honnest now a days I worry when we go behind in games because have united got the tools and weapons to take the game and beat teams at will like we did a phew years back I doubt it. I think the atmosphere and the place is not hot or bouncing because many fans are disilouded with the place, they have had enough of the penny pinching bastards. People also forget the tampa bay bucs are 30% under the salery cap, I mean 30% that is a complete joke and sums up the disgusting owners that they are.
King Eric – I think its a great idea if fans want the english game back and show our passion then banding together as one is a fantastic idea. Its a bold idea but if done right my god can you imagine the passion of west ham, the pompey chimes, the mancs and the scousers, all coming together has one it would be one of brittish footballs most historic days ever and the most important. I can picture it for me that would bring the heart and soul of english football fans against the parisites that is the glazers, gilliet hicks and their disgraceful family, add pocketless arabs the FA and the premier league, they have fucked our game up enough its enough is enough time to bite back.
rtnk – The atmosphere is not to do with people becoming disilousioned (?) it is down to the “type” of fans that attend now. A lot of it has been taken away from the working man . Some of the people there are only there so they can tell their mates that they “socialise” at the home of United. Half the cunt’s in there aren’t even watching the fucking game. They are too busy talking to one another and posing for fucking photo’s. I mean what the fuck is with all of them wearing the “half and half” scarves?
Regarding your idea of certain fans uniting I agree mate, it could be a very historic day in terms of football.
mags – No worries mate.
Hi all,
I got about halfway down this and got REALLY pissed off with a lot of the comments.
The main one is about the “plastics” or “daytrippers” – now this is cause I half fit what a lot of people describe as a “plastic” . . . cant make it often because I cant financially afford a season ticket, and cant take the time off work (yes my employer is a cunt). I also go to the megastore and buy something, its a novelty for me to make it upto OT, and the 4 or 5 times a season I do get down I like to leave with a memory – so I also buy a programme and take pictures.
The other half of me is totally what you would name a “true fan” . . . I belt my heart out at EVERY game I go to – I always comment on how the atmosphere needs improving at OT, and I ALWAYS stay till the whistle and sometimes past it.
But does any of this make me a “plastic” fan – let anyone say it to my face and I’ll twat em one – I know I’m a true fan, and its quite sad to see so many people like myself written off as “fake” fans.
On the debt issue(s):
If we as fans stop spending money at/with the club – we’re only going to lower our income putting ourselves in even more trouble!
I agree with the guys that are saying that going to Milan game 10 minutes late would mentally destroy our already (excuse the bad grammer) low morale team.
A solution that has been mentioned is for the 600 million odd fans to dig into thier pockets and buy the club back. However I am admittedly very niave to how this would happen/work.
Lastly – if anyone is going to respond please do so in an adult manner thank you.
Truereddevil !
Man Utd will NEVER die ! ! !
King Eric/RTNK – I agree totally with the all fans coming together angle – as I posted earlier, it’s the only possible way the real working class fans will be heard. We need to cast aside all tribal loyalties & differences off the pitch & battle these greedy, parasitic bastards. If we don’t, we probably won’t have any loyalties to get tribal about in the future if they continue going the way they are with the debts & asset stripping etc.
God knows… if they ever got anything like their US Franchise idea going over here our game would be truly knackered!
We should again compile a list of organizations actively involved with the Glazers and then campaign to damage their businesses by removing our business and encouraging others to do the same – look how quickly Vodafone backed off when we attacked them in 2005.
But we have to accept that affecting the owners means doing something financially detrimental to our club. To be blunt we can’t take the Glazers down without taking the club down at the same time. It’s like the Alien films – only more messy.
But then again I would accept relegation, SAF’s resignation and the sale of every player if it delivered United to owners that were prepared to work with the club and fans for the long-term, if we got agreements on debts, ticket prices and ethics.
But I fear that if we drove the The Glazers off then we would be driven into the arms of another asset stripper – and next time there would be less energy to fight them off.
If someone like Fred Done (net worth £510m) could be persuaded to take the club on then we might stand a chance but otherwise …
If some fans aren’t willing to boycott out of principle, I’m sure many are for the purpose of not being nailed in the ass by extortionate prices.
As for the mass delay of fans getting to their seats, that’s a very good idea. I’d propose that we do it against Chelsea since it will be one of our biggest games of the season, but we’d have to wait, and it’s evident that we all want action now. My only problem is, how many fans are willing to partake? Whilst many of us care for the club, there are plenty of fans who prefer to sit on their asses whilst the gimps have their way with it.
With regards to boycotting altogether, I see where Scott’s coming from, but I’ve gradually become more and more disheartened at the idea that my money is contributing towards keeping the gimps’ heads afloat. I’ll be attending FC games for the rest of this season, and probably only theirs next season.
The entire situation has long been a double-edged sword. Whilst we don’t want the club to suffer, neither do we want them becoming complacent and thinking that we’ve given up. I’m happy that the release of the startling figures this week has evoked such a strong reaction amongst our fans. Our successes have benefited them thus far by helping them to stave off the financial burden, but it’s finally got to the point that even those can no longer offset their financial malpractices. Only managing to make a profit on the back of a world record transfer fee is atrocious.
all of these ideas are stupid and as for the 10 min boycott b4 milan game well anybody tho about the effect it’d have on the players? I hate the glazers as much as anyone else but i want to win the champions league with or without the glazers
LOVE UNITED HATE GLAZERS
King eric cheers mate! I think just us talking on threads, singing the anti glazier songs, attending meetings, protests, LUHG is gathering pace and we all not to support it!
truereddevil – Nobody is calling you are plastic. I am referring to those that buy half and half scarves, don’t actually watch the game, cue for hours to get in the mega store, incessant photography and arriving 5 minutes late and leaving sometimes with TWENTY minutes to go.
Above should read ” need to support it ” that’s my last beer for the night!
King Eric – yea you are propably right I cant attend games now adays because I cant afford it, but when I went to games I was 2 busy watching the game than using some camera and the one rule I created for myself is I never do is leave early. I talk to other united fans on the way out and go with the flow fuck beating the traffic.
mags the red – it is its almost a fire sale and I tell you something the parisites are one selling player a key player away, or selling our training ground or old trafford away from a complete crisis in terms of every single fan really wakes up and totaly turns on them. For me the glazers have cheated the finacial football game, they expect to have put very little in and take a fortune leaving the club in a mess and for me that is fraud in my eyes, this is ppls lives they are messing with and it is just a disgrace.
True Red Devil – I for one don’t regard the likes of you as a day tripper. Money is tight for all of us, many people have a punishing work schedule, complicated family issues etc that keeps them from attending every week. the true definition of day trippers as seen by season ticket holders are the people who don’t understand the history & traditions of our fantastic club… the ones who don’t sing when they come to the game cos they don’t know what to sing & it is completely unknown to them. The ones who are there for the glory & will be gone if we don’t win anything for a season. The ones who winge & mutter & look at you as if you are something on the sole of their shoes cos you are jumping up n down singing your heart out.
These are the plastics, the day trippers. It’s about how you support the team when you are there, not how much money you have or how often you turn up.
It’s about eating, sleeping, breathing United and getting behind the shirts!
Forever & ever, we’ll follow the boys
@ arijc, completely agree with you. Attending the Milan game 10 mins late would cast a great impression, but it can slump the Utd players’ confidence on a european night. It could well cost us our champions league place. Same thing goes for boycotting games. The debt is a serious issue we should all be trying to do something about it but we need to remember that we are aiming for the premier league title this season, and if OT regulars stopped attending, the players won’t be getting the support they need, especially this season. Boycotting games would obviously cause a significant amount of revenue lost too.
The best thing all Utd fans can do is sing anti-glazer songs home & away, put up banners, more facebook groups etc. Love the idea of getting Ian Brown into this too. He would attract lots of attention which is what we are aiming for. Hate the filthy yank cunts, I would love to shoot them myself. LUHG.
Truereddevil – A bit of a contradiction in terms.
“Lastly – if anyone is going to respond please do so in an adult manner thank you”.
“let anyone say it to my face and I’ll twat em one”
Hmmm.
King Eric,
I totally agree that we have a lot of these – I can honestly say that I am never late in – infact always in before warmups begin, and NEVER leave early.
What has started to piss me off about some parts of OT – having sat in all but the South Stand, is people telling me to SIT DOWN AND BE QUIET ! I sat in the Stretford once – and this is now my chosen stand, I’d rather pay more over VIAGOGO for a ticket where I can support my team as vocally as I feel than be told to shut up !
I made a point of this after the sunderland game, when I sat in the East Stand, and I wanted to knock the guy flat out !
I have supported United since I was 7 – now 26 – I cry knowing we are financially DOOMED.
I see the only way out as the supporters rising together – and buying the club as a United front.
Man Utd will NEVER die ! ! !
King Eric
frustration – and I wouldn’t literally hit a fellow fan – i don’t make a habit of hitting family.
Apologies.
True devil – the only fans being called plastics are the ones who dint care about the club mate! The fans who just go because they can and it’s fasionable! If you go one game or 200 it’s about supporting the club. Apologies if you were made to feel as though posts were having a go! We need all the fans to come together!
Hampy
welccome aboard. Manchester united never put man u on offical merchinedise or refair to themselves as it. It’s not in any chants or songs from fans end of things either. When Teddy Teddy signed for united he called united man u to the press and on his first day on the job got a bollocin off sir Alex for doing so
FZE123 – Yeah i would also love Ian Brown on board. Fucking legend. Seen him many times but the best one was at the Manc Arena the day of Besties funeral. First 20 minutes was just singing “we all live in a george best world”. Quality.
truereddevil – No problem mate. I was only joking. Hope you don’t think I meant you are a plastic. Not at all fella.
Fze123 – but the big problem is ppl may delay going into the stadium but still have ppl payed for the ticket thats the only downside to the idea. I sill say the FA and the premier league need to a complete overhaul I would love a new body with fresh and better ideas a rules in place preventing takeovers like this ever again. and seeing those idiots on sky like richard keys and many other special guests really pisses me off now a days.
for me the ultimate dream for me and all fellwo devils is the fans owning the club not some rich idiot.
gotta hate – I also remember Henrik Larsson saying “its great to be at a club like Man U”.
im not a man united fan but i would say not renewing your season ticket is insane, once its gone you will never get it back,iv had simular talks with some of my arsenal chums who think the board dont part with the cash,theres so many knobs at football matches its hard to arrange anything because most of the fans are like sky sports with their cameras out bunch of dickheads
PS truereddevil – ” and I wouldn’t literally hit a fellow fan – i don’t make a habit of hitting family”.
Belter of a line.
Mags,
When I came to my first ever game at OT, I was never sure of when I would come back, so I wanted to take as many pictures as I could to remember the day forever, and I still treasure that day as one of the greatest of my life. I also didn’t know what to sing.
However I have ( and all fans should ) taken a lot of time to learn all the songs I can.
I agree with the season ticker holders hating the glory-hunting fans, but I also hate the season ticker holders who buy a ticket to make money – and trust me there are a few. They will buy a season ticket and sell it on for a £75-£120 per match basis !
DISGUSTING.
Also to clarify – despite how my comments may sound – I am not trying to defend “fakes” and slag off season ticket holders, I’m just trying to highlight that not all people that come up rarely are plastics and not all season ticket holders are true fans.
Man Utd will NEVER die ! ! !
King Eric,
Thank you, I read RoM regulary and persons like yourself and GHTT (many I cant remember names of as well) always give valid reasoning and comments.
Your love is much appreciated.
arsene wenger – sky really do take the buiscuit, they are just part of the idiots who run our game. for me the english game is like the foolish man who built his house on sand.
Just watched MotD,
Can I ask anyone who was there or watched more of the game:
was it me or were Berba and Nani actually looking like they played well today??!!?!? (Sorry Scott the Red, I know you think Berba is great – but I don’t rate his performances for us too highly)
And how was Diouf?! cos MotD only showed the goal.
Thank you
Man Utd will NEVER die ! ! !
rooney the new king – Oh mate, some of your “sayings” really do amuse me at times. The one above about the house on sand and your other George Bush one “Fool me once shame on you fool me twice……. ” being prime examples!
FCUM PASSION
JELLY AND ICE CREAM WHEN GLAZER DIES
PASS THE PARCEL WHEN GLAZER DIES
STRIPPERS AND WHORES WHEN GLAZER DIES
PIN THE TAILL ON THE DONKEY WHEN GLAZER DIES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epqG_OWS-28
the thing is football is far too commercial, too much money going into the game, which inflates everything from wages to player prices,tv,ticket prices, but it was sky sports that turned 90 minutes on a saturday into an over anilised 24 hour 7 days a week sport, i blame sky sports they made the english game into a superbowl every week which was bound to attract all the money men RTNK, the sky tv money should have been used by clubs to lower ticket prices,not pay mercenarys when the old division one players were loyal and some would have lost limbs for their clubs,its all the past now
you only have to look at the club captains these days, their brats and use the armband to get a bigger wage on a regular basis, english football needs to go broke and restart the cycle of loyalty and youth
I like the late entrance in the Milan game! But whatever we are going to do we have to be UNITED and we have to act SOON!
What suprised me was not a mention On Match Of the Day of the PATHETIC behaviour of the Stewards or should I say Glazer Rent Boys! How about Scott one of your Famous T-Shirts that we all buy and wear to a specific Game (Love United Hate the Glazers) would do nicely. After all they can’t throw us all out.
These blood sucking leeches have got to go or we could end up being a Leeds!
We want Glazers OUT!
How about buying the club back idea, just collect money by selling United merchandise for double price, so every “donater” gets something in return whilst supporting the cause?
I bet many of us would be more than happy with that kind of support, but the problem would be to promote this thing so heavily everyone would be aware of it, and buy their shirts through that service.
f.ex. united homeshirt £100 – / £50 profit – 10 000 shirts sold -> £500 000
the glazers are disgusting cunts and i might take the piss out of my mates but i see russians and americans buying up shares at my club so quite easily it could be us,they should fine a chairman or major shareholder for a percentage of his shares each year that he has his club in the debts see how many are interested then
That + other ways to collect funds, donations, protests, just to get people realise how bad the situation really is.
arsene wenger – Spot on as usual mate. Like you say it has changed from a 90 min game on a Saturday to 24/7. Coupled with thousands of forums etc full of clueless idiots. You won’t find many on here though!
Actually further to this only last fortnight the muppets on Talk sport were saying that the Burnley job and Bolton job before Megson was appointed should be given by voting on fans forums as “they know best”. Yeah right if that was the case Fergie would have gone in 1988.
but again,i reiterate my stance on liverpool, those yanks have invested in the team, the fans there keep banging on about investment because they are liverpool and winning is their god given right, they dont squeek a word about the empty building site on the plot the council gave them and all the builders on the dole,all they want is what chelsea got,scum fucks dont team with them
King Eric – yea HAHA I try 2 make some amusing comments, but the english game is the foolish man who built his house on sand. Wembley is the prime example and the icon on the foolish mans sand castle, we now know that. I still crease in the fact the NFL game 2 years ago was part of the reason england crashed out that pitch was a joke, and would was the cherry on top of the cake steve mclaren and his brolly.
The scousers and United together idea is SHIT. Liverpool fans welcomed their take over, they wanted it to happen. Why the fuck should we help them out now that it’s turned sour? They were holding up “Yanks out, Dubai in!” banners last season. They’re a fucking disgrace and we shouldn’t have anything to do with them.
I`m from Macedonia , i will start walking from Macedonia to Old Trafford. if it`s need, to kick-off Yankee from my, from OUR club.
But I`m not alone, there are thousands supporters (“patients”) like me , who will join me !
BOYCOTT every game first 10 minutes is the best proposal , from those i read in the text….
[ LUHG ]
ALL SUPPORT TO UNITED FANS FROM MACEDONIA !!
if fans ran football it would be sunday league in 3 years, our champions would have to play a qualifier to get in the champions league with the teams of bus drivers from iceland and iraq, fans should support,and they shouldnt even worry about whats going on upstairs,but sadly thats whats happened, so much money and so many mixed messages, this is by no means a swipe but these days you cant even trust a managers word because 1st and foremost he is an employee, truth is most clubs are fine but then suddenly debt becomes public, i think clubs should be much more public on finances
also the fans said the liverpool board knew nothing when they wanted rafa out with his contract only a year to run , but now the board are under pressure to sack him and pay him 20mill and his backroom staff a further 20mill,anyway their debt is self inflicted, the glazers shouldnt have been allowed to put debt on to united and when it first happened it was clear that it was a bad move
I’m not for helping the Scousers. Weren’t they one of many sets of fans that ripped the piss out of us when the Glazers took over, giving it the “USA! USA!” shit? Yeah, fucking hilarious. See how you like it now.
the usa usa usa chants were made famous when the take over was first going through at the f.a cup final when we beat you on penaltys, the united players took that long walk with the usa chants to the penalty spot, in those days i didnt think about football finance,my team were doing fine but when things arent so great you hear about the debts and take more notice of stuff, the glazers are just lucky united were winning in my opinion,they havent had to dabble in football matters which might have drew more attention to them
King Eric – ironic isnt it the 98 squad problay had the most talented pool of players under ferguson all it needed was a couple of signings oh yea lets see the NOTW.
Scott the Red – yes they did but I just think its about time the fans all turned on these people who have done such a woeful job managing our game, like I said the FA and the premier league are just a disgrace they are clueless looking to make has much money as possible. scumdamore sums up for me what the english game has gone to who he wants the 39TH game. That for me should be on his gravestone the 39th game
as i say though, football should be a 90 minute saturday afternoon sport, no andy grays machine showin replays of youngsters slipping over 30 times a day until the next game giving some youngster a headache, all these hours makin people addicted, piling in more money on pencil cases and arsenal/man utd/chelsea underpants int the clubs pockets, trust me psychologists helped creat the premiership to make us addicts because they knew that it would put people in their examination room needing help for addiction, but the money takes the piss
Don’t take this the wrong way Scott but I’m not sure the viewers across Europe will really pick up on the missing 300 or so fans for the first 10 minutes of the Milan game. Even if the Arndale massive each persuade five of their mates to hang around outside that’s still only around 2,000.
The only other option is to try and obstruct as many of the other 65,000 or so that either (a) sympathise, (b) pay lip service to the cause, (c) don’t care, or (d) think you’re mental. But they all want to see the full 96 minutes and that’s just selfish, isn’t it?
So I guess we’re in for a few weeks of unpleasant and angry chanting, with stickers on lampposts before this blows over again. Happy days.
Sorry, but this is my opinion. Just the way I feel. You don’t have to agree with it, but at least try to respect it, as I respect yours. If nothing else, it brings a alternate viewpoint for folks to debate.
And as for joining forces with SoS. After that xmas party video?
And I want to understand more of this notion of ‘reclaiming’ the club. What does that even mean? In my lifetime the club has been owned by the Edwards family, been a Plc and has come full circle back into private ownership under your American buddies.
It is worth taking a moment and reflecting on the previous private owner Martin Edwards. Thanks largely to the magical ingredients of a successful team, global branding and Rupert Murdoch – he went from being a relatively small time businessman onto the Times 100 rich list after he floated the club on the stock market.
Sure, there was the odd chorus of “Martin Edwards, is a w*****r, is a w*****r” from time to time if memory serves – but strangely no stickers. I guess he got away with it. In fact, I still see him from time to time at my gym/tennis club, I must ask him what he makes of all this. He is the MUFC lifetime President after all.
After the Plc days ended, where many fans, myself included, enjoyed being small, albeit insignificant shareholders when compared to the institutional investors (is this what you meant by reclaim?), we returned to private ownership. Where we’ve hardly been short on either great entertainment on the pitch or silverware in the cabinet, have we?
Perhaps the best solution for all conscientious objectors is to stay away until an owner comes along that meets with their approval. Take time out and help FCUM with their impressive climb up the part time leagues. At least there’s no Americans there and no single owner to dislike. The standard of footy might not be as good, but it solves a problem.
the only way to get the glazers out is to stop buying the merchandise but it will hurt the club because thats the way its been moulded by them, going in late to the games wont affect the glazers it will just create a strange atmosphere and i can hear jamie rednapp now talkin bollox on sky about how it was a spectacle, united fans should block the roads or attack the lorry that broadcasts for sky, make sure the game goes on but cant be aired, no doubt arrests will be made but its a war when you dealing with money men
Just to lighten the mood a bit, I will say that daytripping to OT isn’t easy guys! I did it back in August when I attended the friendly with Valencia and it lasted about 30 hours. Not to mention that the bus driver forgot to drop me of in front of OT and I had to walk a loooooong way to get to the stadium! Not that I am complaining of course. Best day of my life!
Getting serious now. I think that what will hurt the Glazes most is a boycott for the 2010-2011 season tickets. It’s a measure that won’t affect the team directly(I assume that they go on sale way ahead of the new season) and it will clearly indicate that fans don’t approve of the Glazers. If the message is sent to every United fan and they realize what’s at stake, I think that the boycott will be effective and there won’t be many strays.
arsene wenger – I bet sky will try and block the glazer coverage so they can milk has much money has possible.
Paul H, I doubt it’s as simple as only those 300 in attendance caring enough to initiate action. I wasn’t there, although I can’t be alone in sympathizing with the cause. There will be a healthier support of more than a mere 2000. The anti-Glazer chants during the game were quite clear, and hopefully a sign of things to come.
RTNK,this is how the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, they guy who runs sky probably eats lobster with the glazers on a boat somewhere from time to time, this is what the problem is, theres no one man who can get aface to face or even an interview with them,its a shame because football belongs to the people but it has become a rich mans board game and the paying customer are the smallest pieces on the board
costas, im not sure about united but at arsenal the season tickets go on sale in june and if your renewing you get about a 2 week window to pay up or you lose your ticket, clubclass supporters this season had to pay in february or march last year, if you boycott your back on the ten year waiting list
arsene wenger – well if fans could even get close to any of the glazer clan they wont leave standing up or more propably in a hospital bed or in a morgue. We have the idiots working on TV keys redknapp etc etc I could go on who bore me to death.
- I wonder how they bought those lobsters from the fans cash or taking it out of the club, the glazer kids have been taking out 22 million out of the club which is the bullshit icing on top of the bullshit cake it makes me burst like mount st helens peak did. every time I see that old thing malcolm glazers face I want to kill him, not even hitler makes me has madder as he does.
arsene wenger
Oh I see. They take no prisoners against boycotters hey? Well whatever the supporters decide, it has to be drastic because the Glazers strike me as people who don’t care what people think. They just go about their business. They bought the club with that kind of attitude.
i dont know why it costs so much to put 11 men on a football pitch.and to sell so many tickets no club should be in debt,if they are they are run by fools
costas, so many times iv thought about not gettin my ticket , you cant change the name on the ticket but you can just change the adress and and then someone else can get the renewal letter an the ticket sent to them,i hear some people have paid 5grand just for that letter from people who dont want to renew
Costas – I got a great idea lets get some snipers, lets face it in america all guns are allowed after a 5 day waiting period so lets get armed up and shoot the bastards, I would slowly kill them all and make that old bastard watch has I kill his whole family now that would be great to record. now if that happened united would sell more tapes of that than say most united merchendise
i wouldnt even know the glazers if i saw them, i just remember the guy has a dodgy beard that would make someone who drinks at the blue oyster bar on police academy feel very proud
lol rooney,you just got yourself an FBI file mate
I bet most united fans when ronaldo was here would rather pay to see the glazers slowly killed and wah old malcolm cry on tape than pay to see ronaldo score 42 goals back then.
arsene wenger – HAHA I propably have americas most wanted RTNK, while in manchester I will be given the keys to manchester and knighted for the guy who killed the glazer clan, on top of that I get another meddle for making old malcolm cry now that is priceless LOLL.
why the hell do people with millions upon millions of pounds,im talkin shit loads need to make more damn money and be destructive doing it? im sure theres something in the ten comandments about these football investors and chairmen
maybe manchester council will make the killing of a glazer in its borough legal just for you lol
arsene wenger – oh yes I think some murders should be legal like the glazers, but if they did that to arsenal the glazers I bet you would come up with even more horrible ways to deal with this family from the HILLS HAVE EYES. but I bet the glazers heads would be great in the old trafford trophy cabinet has man utds 09/10 season success, believe me it would beat winning the treble and uniteds 93 title success by 10 folds. calcolm glazer the main head.
I would literly sell my soul to the devil himself if I was given the chance to kill the lot of them very slowly more slower than a tortoise.
What makes you guys think that RNTK would be on the FBI’s most wanted list? Who’s to say that the Americans don’t hate Glazer as much as Man United fans do?
lol rooney on a serious level,whats the cure? i mean who apart from a russian or an arab can get the arabs out? but thats one devil for another? theres no absolute cure to this which is the worst part
lol costas, oh god someone best count the bullets in costas’s baretta
@ King Eric, Yes, Ian is a top red with a great spirit. I am sure if he got asked to participate he would not let us down, no doubt. He would make a huge impact. I also heard Justin Timberlake is a Utd fan(?), maybe we should ask him too. Having a yank on board can only be good, no? lol. Joking.
@ RTNK, Utd fans owning Manchester United Football Club is the stuff of dreams. It is a fairytale fantasy which can never become real as long as there are billionaires in this world.
@ arsene wenger – http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/23-glazers415.jpg – shoot the fuckers if you see them.
Costas,a question, does greece employ national service?
start a facebook group with the 10 minute boycott idea…it will work..it got rage against the machine 2 number one!
Costas – maybe the glazers are on americas most wanted list, they are on united fans most wanted list and I bet we would all sell our souls to the devil himself if we could see the lot of them dead. hell itself spat this family out because they are that hideos and grotest, satan was physically sick seeing this family in helll and heaven would literly piss on them.
FZE just by looking at them i can tell what they are all about, they look like bankers
arsene wenger, crooks, more like.
arsene wenger – serious there is no cure we all know that. it has to be someone who is really rich unfortunetly. say some rich guy came in what I would love is keep the club running has it is with no debt, spend normally not like shity and chelsea say the debts are wiped out the problem would be half solved, because doubts would always be there would he sell it to another tyrant like the HILLS HAVE EYES family from tampa.
There’s only one way the Glazers will leave and that’s when someone stumps up £1billion+ for our club. Anti Glazer chanting doesn’t affect them, turning up late to a match doesn’t affect them, not buying a programme or drinks on match day is maybe costing them £100k at most. I want them out as much as the next Red but let’s think about reallistically what we can do to get them out. Manchester United was a prime target for people like the Glazers the moment we went public. The only way we can assure 100% the long term stabilty of our club with little or no debt and cash for transfers is by owning the club ourselves. If we are bought by another so called “business man” then they will have to borrow to buy us – I mean who can afford to stump up £1billion in the current climate?
There are some good ideas about leveraging from our global fan base and huge support to put something together- it doesn’t need to be as simple as each fan pays 150 quid because for some that would be a stretch and others it would be small change. There are some seriously cashed up Reds who would pledge a considerable amount to the plight and it should be viewed as a long term project. The guys at the independent supporters groups have some good financial expert contacts and ideas on how it could be managed. Let’s get our club back- we went from being the richest club to the one saddled with the most debt in the blink of an eye. I endorse the anti Glazer chanting but don’t think they’ll walk away just because we don’t like them! I’d like to hear some ideas on fan power and how we can all contribute to gaining control of our club
FZE-exactly
rooney,i hear that mate,im sure afc will be joining you soon,either an american or a russian, they always talk good intentions but there all wankers
I would also like to know where in the hell was fred the red book maker in all of this, this guy isnt he really rich he could have easily bought some shares from magnier or mcmanus and other small shares from other buisness ppl.
@arsene wenger
When it comes to the military service, it’s actually obligatory here. I still haven’t joined. I will do so in 2011 or 2012. I just hope they can teach me how to fire a canon. I have a few targets in mind.;)
@RTNK
Lol, they are not anyone’s favorite group of people. Unless you are a City, Leeds or Liverpool fan. I wonder how long thse clus would have lasted with the Glazers in charge.
Anyway, off to bed. Night everyone.
or the fans group just make their own football club and start from the basement and maybe in twenty years with a bit of luck end up in the divisions
@JP OZ Red
I agree. You spit on them, and they act like it’s raining. Something drastic will be required.
arsene wenger – also this ugly half head shave bald iranian he looks way to dodgy and the yank does who has uses perfect PR saying he has good intentions at arsenal. any yank hoping to buy a club will always use PR saying we are nothing like that family FROM THE HILLS HAVE EYES from tampa.
costas i have a british friend ,greek guy and he went back to greece,anyway cut a long story short he stayed over 3 months or some amount of time and had to do the service, he could buy out but that was rediculous as sooner or later his parents getting older they as a family might move back, so he did it anyway i think for 9 months or so, he hated it but being a brit made it tough lol thought it was quite funny myself
lol yes rooney,they use their NFL and NBA franchises as an example but they grew supporting or at least knowing those, i dont believe the crap they spout, but that uzbeki he talks about investment and it means i buy players and charge the club interest, we all know the deal,its not a foriegn thing,its just business man bullshit
@arsene wenger
Trust me. Everyone hates it. Recently, the service got trimmed down to 9 months. Before that, it was an entire year, and my father’s generation went to the army for 2 years. And apart from basic training, the rest of the service is useless. My brother just finished his and he spent the last 6 months making coffees for his superiors. If we ever go to war, at least we will know how to make our enemy a good cup of coffee! Sorry about your friens, but at least now he can go back to Greece without that burden.
lol costas dont apologise, he needed it, in britain lots of greek familys run dry cleaning business’s so growin up in that enviroment he needed a bit of army lol,he probably washed combats for 9 months
arsene wenger – these ppl propably grew up being bullyed they were propably in buisness and science classes with more zits and holes on their faces than jupiter and the moon combined. like the US schools go there is groups, the joks, the geeks, the invincibles, and the losers I class the glazer clan in the geeks because just look at them. the yank at arsenal was propably a loser, who both yanks would not know what a basketball was from a american football. they propably thought an american football was something theytalked to because they were that pethetic, and a basketball was to kick about at a beach.
lol rooney,i agree,they are the type of kids who got bunsen burners and magnifyin glasses instead of gameboys,still all we can do is support and hope, right guys thats me, bolton tommorow my boys need these points, wanna beat them good so their beaten in the tunnel when we play again on wednesday, il catch up with you tommorow
The idea of red cards during the game would be great
Love United – Hate Glazer. I support the AC Milan demostration.
Seriously guys, buy the club back! It’s the only way of getting rid of the thieves, all needed just coordinators, the trustworthy and lots of them. I’m sure that MUFC fans in other countries would join the cause. In my country there are 2 biggest MUFC fan forum who I think would be more than passionate to do it.
We can do it I believe, just need people to ignite the cause, and I think those who are blessed to live there, or the ones in MUST could do just that.
We could also speak to Barca fans and they can tell us a thing or two about buying the club back.
Buy the club back!
PS: So not agree with entering OT 5-10 mins late. Imagine how the players would feel if they see an empty stadium.
Please guys, let’s not sacrifice the players. Injuries are hard enough, all they need is us.
Unless, you lot could communicate the idea to the players or to SAF when they’re in training so there’s no shocking them.
FC United may offer football of a lesser quality but I’ve kept an eye on them, and their soul is very much United: give a chance to youngsters, try to play attacking football as much as possible,very involved in the community, profits subsidise the ticket prices and I hear that the atmosphere is just amazing at the games. FC United’s soul is as Manchester United as it can be.
Sorry to disappoint you lot but none of your fancy ideas will make the Glazers budge an inch.
Forget ticket boycotts; banning buying programmes, food, beer, or souvenirs from the shop; forget street demonstrations; or waving placards in the ground.
The unpalatable truth is that the Glazers own UTD lock, stock and barrel. They can do what they want with it – they can take as much money out of the club as they want. The can financially RAPE all the fans. And nothing can be done.
One day they’ll sell, and the nightmare will be over. Or will it?
If you think the Glazer attack on UTD is as bad as it gets, then I’ve got more terrifying news. Suppose they sell it to another group of financial pirates who borrow 80% of the cost? And we go through this again for another 5 years or so?
So rather than look back at the past, the fan clubs should look to the future and start planning to prevent this happening again. How? By pressuring the indolent, regressive and ‘head in the sand’ FA to come up with a comprehensive plan to instill some financial responsibility in to the EPL.
I’ve got some thoughts on this which may help to keep rapacious, absent owners out of football clubs.
1) Every club owner should be licenced to ensure he’s a ‘fit and proper person’ and the licences should be REVIEWED EVERY 12 MONTHS. Any irregularities on two occasions and sanctions against the owner take place, including loss of EPL status.
2) A prospective new owner has to put up AT LEAST 80% of the money required to buy a club. The borrowed 20% has to be repaid over the next 10 years according to a repayment schedule approved by the FA.
3) Imposition of a STRICT ‘wage-to-football income’ percentage. Any deviation could result in loss of EPL status.
Severe? Over the top?
Football in England is in a bad way, to a large extent caused by the ineptitude of the FA. If the largest football club in the world, making an operating profit that’s at least 3 times bigger than any other club, is in the financial mess that it is, then what hope is there for lesser supported clubs? What would happen to Chelsea if RA pulled the plug? Who would buy Man City with its £100m a year losses if its owner died?
The time for action is now. If the FA sits on its hands and does nothing then the reputation of the EPL built up over the past will mean nothing.
So how will all of this benefit football clubs in the short term? And how will this help to get rid of the Glazers?
The Glazers must have a plan to exit the club with the maximum profit, and this will be enacted in the future. However, if the FA were to bring in these proposals, or similar, at a future date, then the market value of clubs will fall in the interim. The Glazers will have gone well before then.
And once financial stability and responsibility has returned, market values will return. There will still be foreign ownership of EPL clubs, but the avaricious, rapacious, absent owners, whose only concern is to make as much profit as possible regardless of the mess they create will have gone.
“Realistically, we’re not going to be able to raise the money amongst fans to reclaim our club, so our issue now is raising awareness and getting people on board.”
How many hundreds of millions of United fans are there? I find it hard to believe that we don’t collectively have:
1) The funds to pull it off
2) The people capable of organizing it
hi guys.. i’ve been out of town for a week.
anyway does anybody know where we can sign an online petition for this?
Seeing as everyone else seems to be throwing their two cents in, I might as well join the party..
I think boycotting the first ten minutes of the Milan game is a fucking awful idea. Look at the two extremes. Either, by some miracle, the stadium is completely empty meaning we’ve completely sold our players down the river heading into (and it will be at that stage) the most important game of the season, or, as is more likely, a few hundred dont turn up and its not noticeable. Suck 500 people out of the Stretford End and on TV, no one can tell the difference.
So this is what I think should happen.
An insignia is created in the Stretford End. The word ‘BELIEVE’ has been used in the massive games recently, but it dont take a genius to work out that it is a corporate directive. It would involve changing the word (to LUHG for example) to be displayed before kick off.
Logistically, yes it would be a difficult campaign to organise. With a few shrewd minds though it can most definitely be done. Ideally it would involve fans who know the Stretford End inside out as the placards would have to be dished out as people filled the stand up.
It would be an almost guerilla operation, and it goes without saying that it would have to be organised ‘offline.’ But if, and as I said, it’s not impossible, it would achieve the dual objectives of supporting the team and, crucially, delivering maximum impact with regard to the Anti-Glazer message.
I find it quite ironic that all the anti plastic supporters and daytrippers abuse that is being put forward by some of you whilst there is a call for our so called world wide fan base to step forward and assist with money to buy bonds etc to get the Glazers out. I think that all those who are being vitiolic in your abuse of these day trippers etc should perhaps ask your selves where the money will come from if we didn’t have this world wide fan base that some of you seem to believe don’t deserve to come to OT and see a game (but are hapy to accept their donations to the cause!) I recently attended 3 games over the Holiday peroiod for the 1st time in 15 yrs. Why such a long time? I now live in Adelaide and this has been the 1st opportunity that I have had to attend, but I think that I deserve to be able to see United play whilst being succesful because I did my apprenticeship in the 70′s when we won sod all. Not all day trippers are fakes or hanger ons, some of us can’t attend regularly, so we do the next best thing, get there when we can.
King Eric- What the hell’s a “half and half scarf”? lol It’s fun to say “half and half scarf”.
I agree with billabongbob, not all day trippers are plastics. If I ever got to watch a game at OT, I would be classified in that category of day tripper, but in my opinion, I am NOT a plastic, I support the club as much as you guys who are lucky enough to go to the games on a regular basis.
I don’t agree with the mass boycott ideas or the late entry for the players’ sake, but I do think there should be protests in Manchester and Anti-Glazer chants at halftime, but during the match we should get behind the players.
As the majority of United fans are from outside Manchester, England, Europe even,
WHAT CAN WE, THE ASIANS AND AFRICANS, DO?
You guys need to be careful about what you wish for. No matter how much you hate the Glazers, they still own the club and for the time being and as far as we know, they are still putting up money for new players.
The last thing we want is a Newcastle-type situation where some idiot starts threatening the Glazers (it will happen), them backing out of the club, do not invest any more in players then we end up in more trouble than we are now.
I’m a massive United fan and the debt worries me – but we’ve got this far with them, the last thing we want is to start getting wound up by the media, doing things like not going into the ground until 10 minutes before the start, not buying things from the ground, not re-newing season tickets etc. That essentially will damage the club more than the Glazers doing their thing as investors will lose confidence. Unfortunately we support one of world’s most famous clubs and this is what happens – the best we can do is to be just that – support the team.
Where has all this come from anyway? The latest accounts? The unlimited articles in the media? It was a lot quieter when we were winning things.
I’m a big follower of this blog too but I think we need to be careful about the consequences of any prolonged protests.
Or – yeah, get the Glazers out – then what?
Why don’t we get the whole of Old Trafford singing anti Glazer songs for the whole 90 mins?
Great to keep us informed Scott. 10x a million.
The suggestion that we keep out of the theatre of dreams for 10mns after kick off vs ac Milan will be a great thing to do. We show the world that WE ARE MANCHESTER UNITED not the owners who are there only because of money not because they are United people. For sure that they don’t live for United like us !!!
Hi all!
How about contacting all the international located MUFC Fanclubs with a open letter also been sent to the board of United, that EVERY United fan on the planet knows what its all about, and that EVERY SINGLE ONE’s help is needed to donate the amount he can afford. For my part, i could start collecting money right now in switzerland…
if we don’t get rid of the yanks it ends in a fuckin disaster! The only way be saved of a situation we have it now, is the club owned by the fans! I’m sure there would nothing change if just another billionaire jumps in with 1.5bn…
billabongbob: good post mate! I feel exactly the same, i breath united every single day, all I do in work and private life is thinking, talking, reading about united. I LOVE UNITED. I try to fly to manchester 3-4 times a year and also attend the europe away games if I can afford it. I makes me sad, seeing guys here talk about daytrippers, abu’s etc…
I’ve got friends in Manchester who help me out with tickets, place to stay etc..
Thats fan connection how it should be! Becos it wasn’t my fault not having had the luck of being born in Manchester. But I have the same rights to support MY / OUR / YOUR club like every manchester born mate!
GHHT – cheers for your comment but seriously I bought a winter hat and a hoodie from Man Utds official megastore and had it sent to me and inside the hat, where declaration or whatever it is (where it shows how to wash it etc… says: MANU-(and some numbers) ok its a small thing and probably to save space, but when I saw it I thought wtf is this…
I agree with the 10 minute stand out in principal but it would result in crushing and a stampede if everyone tried to enter the stadium at the one time.Although the police may have to put the game back half an hour for health and safety reasons and it could generate publicity that way.
I have great respect for anyone who gives up thei season ticket on principal but as was pointed out,it will only result in a day tripper filling the seat,buying a heap of souveneirs and proving totally anti productive.Better to have as many passionate anti-Glazer fans inside the ground as possible.
The one idea I do like is a total boycott of all merchandice,hit them where it hurts and instead of slagging off day btrippers,print leaflets,hand them out,raise awareness,a lot of us started out as day trippers once ya know.
Just on the MAN U thing.I would never refer to our club as this,I understand the term was born as an insult but I try not to be too dogmatic about it.99% of people don’t intend it as an insult so therefore I don’t take it that way.
All this talk about being 10 minutes late into the ground wont make any difference unless you can get most of the Stretford End to agree, all the Glazers have to do is either delay the match from starting by 10 minutes or lock all doors at kick off time and dont allow in their minds the people in who are likely to cause trouble, that way he teaches everyone a lesson next time to dont be late. Bearing in mind at this point, the tickets are already paid for so no loss to revenue, only bums on seats thats all.
And also bear in mind they know who it is by the time you scan your card to get in, possibly not being offered tickets might be a possibility in the future.
The idea of a protest is great but just remember, there are people reading this from them everyday, so whatever you plan on here or other forums, you can bet your ass they are watching and know what to expect.
Check this out. I don’t know about the authenticity of this article, but you never know…
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/152201/MANCHESTER-UNITED-FOR-SALE-AS-SPLASH-SHEIKHS-LINE-UP-1-2M-TAKEOVER-BID
I love the idea of fans not turning up 5/10 mins late to a match as this will make a massive, public statement but how it wil affect the team is difficult question. Given the fact that the glazers don’t watch our matches, anti-glazer chants and banners will not get through to them although they do make our displeaseure very public.
The Glazer’s are business men and the only thing that will get through to them is money. Taking action at Old Trafford has a risk to us as we are so in debt.
This idea may be a bit difficult to organise and carry out but here’s my penny’s worth.
United have a massive/global fanbase, so there should be a massive base of people willing to help if we fight them at their own game – we hit their personal businesses. We find out what companies they own and boycott them, or boycott companies who trade with them and make it known thats what we’re doing and why – and whilst the glazers still own United, we will continue the boycott. That way they will be pressured by their customers.
Its not going to be easy but it will send out a message and them where it really hurts. We could team up with the Tampa Bay fans and get them involved. Greater strength in greater numbers.
I’m glad that fans are still concern of our situation. Please Scott do whatever you all can with the rest of the fans which are able to go to OT. Ask the Glazer to go. Let them know we had enough. We want our club to compete and not struggle and gone. Please everyone!!!
I agree and find it good to go in to the stadium late. The whole world is seeing a empty stadium. This will send great message to the owner and the world that we want them OUT!!!
Let’s keep the chanting every game not only does it state our intensions but gives a great atmosphere, let’s not spend a penny in side old Trafford. If you want a shirt go to jib or something, no bears no programmes no drinks all sweets don’t spend a penny, the ac millan Idea is good. Do it against city too in the semi final. Forget about buying them out ourselves we can’t do it, but encourge the Chinese give them our support and hopefully they’ll put another offer in, we need banners take them to every away game, Liverpool brought thousands of beach balls saying yanks out when we played they why not find something that all united fans can get onto the pitch. We must get glazer out !!!
L U H G
I don’t want to be a dick, but it began as soon as 2005 with FC United (www.fc-utd.co.uk). You could support them, instead
I support both
swiss devil has a good point! if every United fan on the planet gave 2 or 3 pounds its a massive start!
So you will all stand outside the stadium for 10 to 15 minutes and then go in. Whats the bet the gates will be locked at kick off and you will all be left standing outside. Its an idiot idea. However instead of spreading hate and unrest why not look at this in another way. Support the club, support the owners but the goods inside the grounds and spend your money for the benefit of the club, make it an attractive target for some very rich Chinese or Arab group and get the Glazers out that way. WHY act like idiots and harm the club we love or are supposed to love?
The BELIEVE mosaic was organised by Stretfrod End Flags for the European Semi Finals. These mosaics take two days to lay out and you need full access to Old Trafford to lay them out, as well as seating plans and about 20 people to help put out the sheets.
Therfore, I doubt anyone could sneak into the stadium and lay out a LUHG mosaic.
Are you guys gonna go break down the megastore again? but the milan one sounds Brilliant!
WE WANT GLAZERS OUT! WE WANT GLAZERS OUT!
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all utd fans going to the ac millan game should enter 10 minutes late, all fans are gathering outside the matt busby statue singing anti glazer songs and then will go in the stadium.
dont spend a penny in old trafford no bears, no pies, no programmes, no sweets or drinks, protests for the portsmouth game are also being planned.
please spread the message on all united fan based websites.
thank you
luhg
I think it’s bollocks that we’re supposedly turning our backs on the team by taking action. They aren’t stupid, they know how perilous the club’s situation has become. There are players within that team that care as much as some of the fans. SS Lazio fans have emptied the terraces in protest against their team’s performances. That’s turning your back on the team. We’d practically be doing it to the entire club if we so readily dismiss any action.
As for it all being futile as the Glazers don’t give a shit, that’s a great attitude. We realise that they’re stubborn, otherwise we wouldn’t be where we are now. That doesn’t means that people should be prepared to sit on their hands. Anything that sends out a message, small or large scale, has my backing. Their obdurateness needs to be tested.
I ATTENDED A FEW OF THE PROTEST WALKS/MEETINGS WHEN ALL THIS SHIT STARTED AND FELT A REAL SENSE OF PURPOSE THAT WAS GENERATED EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS ONLY A FEW OF US I DONT KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS BUT ITS NOT RIGHT THAT SOMEONE CAN JUST BUY A CLUB AND PUT ALL THE DEBT ONTO THE CLUB THESE TWATS IN”THE CITY”FILL YOUR HEAD WITH THEIR SHIT IM HOPING TO GET ME SEASON TICKET BACK NEXT SEASON BECAUSE I THINK I CAN MAKE MORE OF AN IMPACT IN THE GROUND LETS GET THE BANNERS OUT THINKING ABOUT IT IM QUITE HAPPY TO CHIP IN
Gotta hate tiny tears.
I am fully behind your sentiments. I decided initially to get involved with FC United, right from the start of that club, but got pissed off with some ‘fan’s’ obvious and provocative anti-Manchester United stance. For me that was not the point. FC United should not be welcoming that type into a club that is supposed to represent the ‘spirit’ of Manchester United and the very worries and views that have come into stark focus now.
However , I am delighted to hear the support that has come from FC United recently and I accept that in general a large percent of the supporters are still also genuine Manchester United supporters, and this being the case I will bite the bullet, get over my own phobia of giving a place in my heart to another club, and do this by embracing the original concept of FC United.
I have been thinking deeply for the last couple of months on the implications of the things I could see happening with our club. I really hoped I was wrong, but now the reality is here and my worries are being proved correct. One of the saddest consequences for me was that Fergie would be exposed as covering up the state the club was in and that eventually this would take him down and tarnish what should have been the greatest Manager of all time’s final legacy to the club he loves. Now I can see that slowly but surely the press are starting to explore this theme and some ‘fans’ are – as usual – starting to get on the bandwaggon.
As regards getting out of this huge mess we are in, either the Glazers have to dip in to their own pockets, sell their interest in other sports companies or clubs and focus on the biggest club in the world, or they have to sell United. I have also thought about ‘Uniteds Red Army’s’ idea of how the fans could help and how the bond type of solution could work and save OT and Carrington at the same time.
But this solution would be of no use if the owners of the club are intent on stripping and transfering all the assets they can or/and simply defaulting on payment. Bond owners do not seem to have any say in which assets are used to honour repayment of the bonds and in the case of bankrupcy would loose their money like everyone else.
I feel that any bond issue plays into the Glazers hands because they will be issued against Manchester United and it’s assets, giving the Glazers all the excuses in the world to transfer ownership of those assets from the club to their holding companies, sell them – and charge millions to the club for doing it. I personally believe that Manchester United is totaly fucked when that happens, regardless of whatever financial position we find ourselves in, because can anyone ever see those assets being returned to the club?
Even if a buyer was found for Manchester United football club it would more than likely be on the basis of leasing it’s ground and facilities – possibly even from the Glazers if they hadn’t already done a ‘Highbury’ with them by then. If we ever wanted to be a fully self sufficient club once more, it could mean we would have to go out and build a new stadium.
A bond issue is not the answer while the Glazers are still there. It is the Glazers we need to remove – at any cost actually. Even if we were involved in a total financial disaster after that event, I still feel confident we have the basis of raising funds through various methods, including the millions of fans. If only half of the reported 350 million fans world wide each gave a tenner after the Glazers were dead and buried, then we would be a club with a bright financial future again.
Keep the faith and we can all pray that in the end Manchester United prevails once more!
the best idea i have heard, in order to get some media attention in the short term, is to have a ‘stay in’ protest after the hull game in the stretty. just don’t leave your seat.
plenty will want to get in on this all over the ground so why not make your way around there 5 mins before the final whistle when all the traffic dodgers have left?
“we wont go home ’til Glazer leaves”
etc etc. BTW it’s not my idea.
The Ac milan idea will grasp a lot of attention from the world which is what we need! i think this is our best bet at this minute in time however getting those south stand snobs and glory hunting posh cunts to stand is another idea but if ever got half the stadiums capacity underneath the matt busby statue would be a clear message. we need something strong & powerfull
together we can do this lads!
theboogeyman – Hi young man. Half and half scarves are the hideous scarves that some fans insists on wearing that are half United and half the club you are playing. I have even seen fans in ones where the other half is Leeds and City!
Boycott games. Leave at half time. Don’t buy programme, beer & food (surely you can last 2 hours without eating?), don’t go in mega-whore, don’t buy halftime draw ticket. Encourage the shirts but DO protest too – flags, banners, etc. Join MUST. Pay in £100 each x 170million supporters & it’s ours – Tall order but we had that chance once before but chose to believe Safe Hands. Support FCUM – we are doing the same today as we have since 12th May 2005. Boycott sponsors. Don’t buy from advertisers – Bud, Hublot, Kumho, aon, AIG, betfair, betfred, audi, nike – don’t buy kit. Don’t go in RedCafe, restaurants, don’t attend Dos at the ground. Don’t buy halftime draw ticket. Flashmob. email-bomb. Protest. Join FFU.
Whatever you do – do it & be prepared to buy if the opportunity arises.
The Red C – there is nowhere at FCUM that is anti-MUFC. You are obviously a WUM. Anti-Glazer, anti-cideh, anti-WGT, anti-Leeds but never (that’s NEVER) anything anti-MUFC.
Anyway, don’t buy insurance or take out MUFC credit cards either.
Why anyone would buy a Bond covering bad debt is beyond me – no-one wanted to buy the debt on the previous 3 attempts Gimp made so why would they now be interested in bad (toxic) debt? I’m afraid we’re stuck with him unless we have the money somewhere to buy him out. (Club do not need £1.2 billion ONLY £1,200million! – still a large sum but not billions as incorrectly quoted)
King Eric- Thanks mate. One question though, WHY THE FUCK WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT?
Never going to happen against Milan with the amount of day trippers about especially for them bigger games
I agree with the every fan gives 10 quid or something to MUST and IMUSA then give all them fans a vote in everything that goes on it would make our great club even better.
Jay, you obviously turned a blind eye to some of the things that started being said by some supporters of FCUM against my club, Manchester United. I didn’t – so don’t spoil my new found desire to see a united front against the Glazers. I was there right at the beginning of FCUM, giving my support and offering whatever help I could, but didn’t like the tone that some involved started taking. I can try and find some examples of that if you like ( I think I saved some on a harddisk I have since archived) and we can discuss them on some more appropriate forum? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black? A WUM indeed! Cheecky fucker!
The problem with funding a supporterbased buying of the club is that such a huge part of the supporters are in Asia and there even 5-10 pounds is a big lump of cash for most people. I would be happy to donate the needed money myself but finding enough people will be a huge task… not impossible though, just look at Barca.
If I can help using my united forum let me know ASAP
Barc scheme isn’t how we can buy the club though. Barcelona has over 155,000 “socis” (“socios” or “members”) who each pay up to €140 annually for the privilege this means that each year they get 21,700,000 a year. We need to get billion, there is no way we can get this money to buy the club no matter how much we tried. Not really sure how I can see United getting out of this problem at the moment?! LUHG
Problem with most of the ideas above in the article is that perhaps the idea of boycotting the club (or just spending less money on utd in general) is that utd and the glazers fate are so interlocked with each other now that yes less money would damage the glazers but it would damage our club more. Basically if we somehow managed to sink the glazers than they would drag down the club with them and everyone would lose.
I only see one of 2 options left:
1) We hope that the glazers really have the clubs best interests at heart and will not pocket any extra effects that the fans put in and try and work with the glazers to get rid of the debt, which for us means more spending on tickets and merchandise. However that is only going to raise so much more club income each year (esp in a recession) and we’d have to do so for many yrs so it’s a time consuming option that if the glazers are dishonest in their actions would make little to no difference.
2) I know many have pointed out that this may be impossible but as I said before we can’t sink the glazers without sinking ourselves – well no one said we couldn’t just leave them on treasure island so to speak. Bottom line with is is that as mentioned buying back our club (which would probably cost around 800m to 1b to do so to cover our debts and send the glazers packing with enough of a profit to keep them happy) is practically impossible.
However we do probably have the most fans of a football club in the world so could conclude that it would be improbable but not impossible to line up a million interested fans to put forward £50-£100 to take control.
Also the glazers solutions of the bonds may give us fans another way to gather the money to gain back the club from the glazers. Surely if investors are willing to invest in basely the glazers and utd then they may also be willing to invest in us fans and the clubs, especially if you consider that the option of the fans taking control may be more risk free to investors as we would get rid of our debt off the bat or at least much quicker than the glazers are in 7-10yrs time amongst other things would prehaps make us fans a more appealing options to investors than the glazers. Also their are also bound to be a number utd fans like ourselves that also want the glazers who are also in a position to in a major way invest in a fan takeover.
Even if the fans staging a take over is possible then it would take 1-2yrs of careful planning in both financing and in making the glazers as uncomfortable in the process so that they are more willing to take the exit door when offered. Though fans using the money they would of spent on tickets and merchandise may be one way to add to a take over kitty, their would always be other fans to take over and even if their wasn’t I can’t see many of the players wanting to stay around if their are no fans to cheer them on. failure of the bonds scheme (which essentially buys the glazers more time) would see major pressure put on the glazers as the fifa fair play rule coming into play 2013 with our debts would see us out of the cl, therefore equalling less profit for the glazers (prize money, tv and match day revenue) and prehaps more willing to jump what they as business people wold perceive as a sinking ship. Therefore as mentioned fans hjacking the bond investors and giving them a second option of how to invest their money may just work.
But the above are just ideas and many of you will probably point out many flaws but the problem is that probably no fan 100% trust the glazers to get us out of the mess they put us in so fans of utd have to keep on coming up with ideas that might just offer another way to rescue our club!
Jay what do you mean its not 1.2 billion but 1,200 million? That is the same figure pal int it?
di – Would there be fans to replace the boycotting ones though? They can’t even get rid of tickets for Hull and a cup semi final against our rivals. As for the fans paying more to contribute we are paying more than enough already. On top of yesterdays game in terms of transport, spends etc me and my old man had to fork out best part of 200 sheets for Milan and City games. Most fans are stretched as it is.
The comments are not crazy:
The point of debate surrounds how we could accumulate the right amount of fans to pay the right amount of money to buy off the Glazers
Assume this
1 million United fans x 1000 each is a billion
Their are all sorts of consequences and variables – that is just one
The second one is just as important – we run the club and take nothing back off it – we let the manager run the football team as he sees fit and then we let the Chief Executive do his thing – it works perfectly at the moment between SAF and David Gill.
Oh yes we get a bigger discount when buying the shirt : )
The club generates the profits accordingly – we have a board of which we have fans representatives – and each rep can only have a shelf life of a few years unless voted in/out – something like that.
Our goal is to keep the club’s philosophy going. We must never abandon our youth culture and at the same time never be as stupid as to spend like City and Madrid – for this would ultimately cause the club harm.
This is possible if enough of us could bang heads together.
We have to start somewhere – if we want to do this then we do it for the club never for ourselves.
@ King eric
I was only making suggestions like many on this site – I never said they were good suggestions!
Problem is that so to speak us fans are dammed if we step up supporting the club financially (even if a large set of fans had that sort of money – recession and all) and dammed if we stop spending on the club. Either way the club ends being ‘piggy in the middle’ as such the glazers and the fans.
I’m just hope that we find the answer to how to clear the majority of our debt before the financial fair play rule kicks in in 3-4yrs (and also the the answer does not involve selling the clubs property and best players – perhaps the glazers can be tolerated still to an extent currently but if they made those sells i can’t see many fans still supporting them)
@ MG
The fans making a move to buy the club is as i mentioned before is improbable not impossible and you do make a lot of valid points, i just think people look at the 1billion sum and go argh. But it will take a few years to gather together enough utd fans (which you’d probably need to get on board supporter groups around the world – several bases with one mother-ship so to speak with contact with all the bases) and finances (your idea of £1000 per member may be too much to ask for some people – perhaps creating different packages, ie… £50, £100, £250, £500, £1000, £2000, £5000, etc… with different club privileges depending on how much you put in).
But if a fan takeover is possible then fans need to stop debating on whether it’s possible or not and start planning right now/adding up the numbers as realistically a fan take over bid would not be able to take place until the end of the 2011-2012 season earliest, So on that logic there’s no point of talking about the consequences of a fan take over as it’ll take 1-2 yrs to get for the consequences to even become an issue and for all we know it may just end up being a backup plan if against all odds the glazers get us out of this debt mess earlier than expected – doesn’t hurt to plan ahead!
@di
I think your points are interesting.
Again there would have to be a few of us to put together a plan – and the plan to make sense – and for it to be fool proof.
Totally agree that it would have to take a monumental effort to touch base with as many fans as possible in order to drum up the interest.
Again your point on packages is interesting – but like I said no matter who would put in what – we would still have to be equal in order for the management and the Chief Exec to do their jobs. In bringing such a proposal to life we would have to continue the clubs philosophy – fans must never get involved in what the gaffer wants to do or how the CE works – but as mentioned we must be allowed to heard/have a say to put our point across.
It is also important to figure out that we cannot sell out to no one – regardless of what happens – remember if this is about the club then we do this as you say now because it’s about the club. We shouldn’t do it however to make money out of it ourselves because as you know money is a greed that anyone can succumb too.
A
How would you start this proposal? What would be the first step?
In my opinion it would have to be a number of United fans if possible that could contribute from this country.
B
It would only be then that you would have to look outside but then how do you look – where do you look – and how do you bring everyone together.
I am sure the accountants or the economists within us could answer that.
C
Obviously we would need a figurehead to accumulate what we have put in theory. It would have to be a United fan and someone that could have contacts in order to join all the dots together. Also it would have to be someone that could pull this off.
So where do we start?
Do you go to a Beckham, a Cantona, a famous actor, who?
If such an idea ever came to fruition, I’d be willing to invest what it currently takes to purchase a season ticket.
Such ownership is inherently superior to what we’ve had.
No shock the Anti-Glazer chants only kick in when the team is under performing.
The debt was always there, but so were the results.
@SteRDLK
Yes the debt was always there and so were the results
We’re having an off season but still in it
However 300 million taken out of what the club has generated to pay for those debts and for the Glazer’s themselves whilst the debt itself has got bigger and not smaller
Absolutely ridiculous – if the Glazer’s had actively bought the debt down – we could have maybe having another discussion
They haven’t – we do not know what they want now from the club
A bond document assumes that the training ground/ground itself might be sold off to be leased back?
No thanks they can fuck off – none of us signed up to be told by them lot that they can treat us like that.
That’s not being Anti Glazer – that is being Manchester United fans
Glazer debt –
£550M+ OF ROBBERY WRITTEN INTO THE GLAZER BOND DOCUMENTS
Summary
The small print of the bond documents show that the Glazers have structured the issue to
allow them to take at least £21m of dividends out of the club every year. There is also a
http://www.nzurisana.com/forum/showthread.php?254-Glazer-debt&p=255#post255
@SteRDLK
The anti-glazers chants have started because of all the bad press that has come out in a small space of time (yes i know you should take the press with a pinch of salt but when you start hearing stories of our training ground and players who’d you’d never think would leave on their own accord having to be sold to help clear the debt, even though common sense is telling you ‘never going to happen’ you still have a little voice in the back of you’re head saying ‘but what if….’).
Another problem is that even though we have a lot of young talent that could potentially be great in 2-4yrs time, we also have 4 players who are probably going to retire quite soon and a few more on top of that who are on paper (though hopefully they won’t in reality) moving past the general footballers peak yrs and are naturally getting more injuries because of that. Because of that we haven’t got many players in that middle ground (young enough that their muscles and joints can hold out long term but old enough that they have common sense and experience). I know that there is no value in the market and the majority of top class players have been bought by the top 2 in spain (or at least earmarked by the spanish 2) but prehaps the debt hasn’t become such a worrying issue to this extent before whilst we were winning the big things and getting the financial rewards of doing so and also before selling major members of the team (i know the major reason for those sales was not to service debt but it doesn’t help with the fans state of mind) – but if any top club is going to win the major honours they need to buy in or already have on the payroll have today’s top talents, not just next weeks, a problem arsenal have had experience with. The problem is that if we want the top players of today then we are going to have to go head to head with the bottomless pocketers and risk takers of chelsea, man city, madrid and barca from now on and to do so we can’t be pouring down £50-£70m down the drain in interest like we are right now and we don’t really have the 5-10 yrs that the glazers think we do to sort out our finances and play a similar game to the moneybags of the game – prehaps we aren’t in as bad a situ as liverpool right now but we could be in a yr or two if we don’t sort ourselves out!
Some interesting points, some which I can remember mentioning down the pub back in 2005. I don’t think a significant number of people will boycott the first 10 minutes of the Milan game. Now is the time to tell those people who say calm down/be quiet/stop standing to get behind the club in full voice or fuck off. Glazer die chants are def the way forward mass hoards approaching ground chanting the same thing. We need to make OT louder than runways at Heathrow.
@ MG January 17th, 2010 @21:10 – Regarding points A & B – Obviously we have got MUST but we can try and gather support by going through the supporters clubs around the country and the world to gather support and donations.
We need a a fund/bank account/trust in which to pool the resources. Once we get the club back I believe there is a way in which to stop a glazer buying the club ever again but we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.
Banners/chants and cash will help save our club. Boycotting will do little as the cameras won’t show it and the most publicity we’ll get is a snippet 5 pages from the back of a paper. Glazers out chants or some of the ones FC United use need to be sung throughout the game, pre-game, post-game to make a point. If it won’t get through to the glazers we may recruit more plastic fans and possibly convert them to hardcore reds.
Also glazers haven’t spent any money on the club, on the fans since they’ve come in. 5 years look at the transfers in and out of the club. The balances of those, the hiking up of ticket prices which has destroyed the atmosphere inside Old Trafford, nothing has been put back into the club by the owners. Its all down to Fergie we are where we are, he’s got good value for the players he’s sold which has enabled him to buy. Even when we spent £50 million in 2007 we made about £40 million in player sales.
@ RTNK – Your idea and several others about having a go at the FA is a good idea. When Platini talks about clubs who are in debt not being allowed in the Champions League/Europe. Lets go one step further if 60% of the clubs in the top division aren’t debt free/self sufficient ban their national team from playing internationals till they are. That will give the FA a kick in the balls that they need. They might do something then.
@MG
ok, im no expert on the subject and unfortunately their is no ‘dummies guide to successfully execute a fan takeover’ book out (yet!) but looking for precedents/case studies of previous fan takeovers (successful ones and failed ones) and clubs run primarily by their fans (doesn’t necessarily have to be football club – could be a similar case study in basketball, american soccar, etc…) so that you can see what tactics and ideas have worked in the past and what hasn’t as it would help draw up a future fan takeover plan if it came down to that.
On the packages idea – until you have a large number of utd fans communicating to each other and agreeing that they want to look into a way of forming a fan takeover there is no point in figuring out too many details of what fans would have to give financially and what they’d get back in terms of privileges. But you do make a good point on all fans contributing (if this did happen) being equal in terms of board room type decisions (though you would need to elect a spokeperson type figure at some point to speak on behalf of the fans – though that would run the risk of us having a rm/barca president situ) but the level of privileges could differ depending on what priced package you get (eg….discount on merchandise, mutv, tickets, season tickets, etc….) but right now it is just an idea with probably a number of cracks and far too early in the process to figure out right now (we need to start the process first)
But whatever happens at the club the people who work well need to stay at the club and be allowed to continue what they are doing (that’s basically everyone apart from the glazers right?) – keep what is proven successful at the club.
Ok, the lettered points – and bear in mind these are just ideas of how to go about things, someone may have better ones than me.
A
I’d personally start by making contact with other major utd supporter websites/ forums and supporters club and talk to their moderators and major posters – see how they feel about the whole glazer issue and what they think is the best way to go in supporting our club. Start with the UK based sites and if they are also coming to the conclusion that perhaps it’s time to at least come up with the back up plan of a fan takeover then start talking to overseas supporters groups ( lets be honest, with the finances needed to pull this off we probably couldn’t keep this on our soils, plus the last thing you want to do is alienate overseas fans – chances are they want to help as well. also some plane tickets and hostel rooms are not much more than british public transport these days, in fact i think the irish still have the worst journey in money & time to matchdays when talking to them on trains if you get my point)
B
If after talking to a number of supporter groups a takeover bid is a real option then I’d suggest making up ‘headquarters’ as such where all major thoughts and ideas get relayed over too (an online site as it’s cheap and easily world accessible, where 1) all fans around the world can talk about this in general in a number of different languages 2) a members only area, viewable to all perhaps? (members probably being spokepeople from major utd supporter websites/ forums and supporters club like this one so that separate discussions like this one we’re having right now can continue on sites like this one and the ‘spokesperson’ can relay back the main points to the ‘headquarter’ site so to speak)) – the utd supporters supporters version of the food pyramid if you will or a system like chain mail to establish a hierarchy as such and stop to many fans voicing too many opinions in one location.
I’m guessing once major plans start forming then you start with the video webchats (god bless skype!) and built meeting places.
C
First you need to find fans that are interested and start making up serious ideas towards the final plan. Hopefully a natural leader will emerge in that process for the actual takeover part – if a takeover is successful I’d imagine it be a president type voting situ as in spain just with more fan input and a not so power hungry president – we can’t escape the politics but we can try and dumb it down. On the accountants, economists and people who can join up all the dots side of things – utd fans work in all works of life so there should be plenty of fans willing to spare time on the major details if the fan takeover option was explored further.
Also there is no point of involving club celebs/heroes suck as becks and cantona until the outline of a plan has been written up at the very least and i also think if possible getting major members already on the utd payroll interested in the idea and perhaps even on board themselves such as charlton and robson as we don’t want people at the utd who we want to stay going because of this
but once again these are only idea and if anyone has any comments to the above or anything to add on then type it down. But as I said before if these is a legit option for us fans then we should start planning now as this will take a couple of yrs to plan from head to toe!
@ Scott
Thanks for letting us know of the goings on at the meeting.
although any suggestions of boycott will only hurt the team and lads. Against AC Milan, our lads will need all the support they can get, I dont think that would be the right way to protest. Maybe at a subsequent premiership game would make more sense!
Im glad a lot of united fans are starting to wake up to wat these gimps are doing to our club. LUHG
steRDLK – Yeah completely agree pal. Are the ABU media creating a sgit storm because of our relatively poor form of late or does it coincide with the accounts released? I seem to recall it all blowing up prior to the accounts.
*shit storm*
Although the media do like to hype all things united up, it wasn’t them that put the club in debt. LUHG
Di
Start a facebook campaign?
Some good ideas here, however I think asking Sir Alex to quit in protest would almost certainly make the situation much worse. As for not buying programmes, beer, food or even tickets/season tickets- this may have worked some years ago when actual Man Utd fans filled Old Trafford, now it would make little if any difference and would result in 90% of fans in the stadium being random day trippers.
I do think arriving late for a high profile game like AC Milan would definately make a statement and raise the profile of the cause but wont make an immediate difference and would also risk distracting the players which we do not need at the moment. Definately getting some high profile fans to join the cause would be a massive help, again would help raise awareness but would be by no means a quick fix, in the meantime get involved by handing out leaflets and making a fuss, constant anti-Glazer chants will do absolutely no harm whatsoever, plus a few banners, we all need to stick together here.
can anybody tell me if theres any truth in the rumour that a group of arabs have had a bid rejected for united. read this in d.star today. yanks out. cut out the supply of cash to these bastards…………..dont buy the united product until the yanks are gone, we need to contact every supporters branch throughout the world and get them to do the same. stick together and we will win this battle………..stay united……………its our club…….not theres.
@ MG
I’m guessing by di you meant me?
I was having a look round the net to see if there were any webpage out there trying to drum up support for a possible fan takeover bid in the future and their seems to be several different fan sites at least talking about the possibility, the major players of this being MUST and IMUSA. The general concern being how to pull together the estimated 1.2billion needed to buy the glazers out (can i just double check that 1.2billion is made up of paying off the 800m debt of the club with the glazers going away with 400m in their pockets – not the whole 1.2b as if that was the case we’d have to raise around 2b to cover everything?)
On the facebook front – i had a look around and the only major page that concentrates on trying to get the glazers out is the ‘we want the glazers out’ one which has around 17,000 fans last time i counted so it seems to be doing well. i think that the idea of facebook and perhaps also a an online petition as well is a really good idea as a starting point.
There are a few major issues that i have with perhaps one of us starting up something:
> I wouldn’t want to step on supporter groups feet like MUST trying to be an official takeover page. I’d imagine that if enough support was drummed up then someone like them would take over if it ever went down to finances
> Facebook isn’t the most professional looking webpage and don’t you need to be a member of facebook to make comments/become a member and some people may not want to join facebook in order to support the cause. A site like this one (RoM) may be better as anyone can make comments anonymously with an online petition linked to it so you can get an idea of numbers – i think that means opening a blog type site which means that someone would have to spend time updating the news once in a while.
> I know that many of you want to keep a fan takeover as england/uk only but as i think any campaign on this would be doing well if you got 1million fans reading from the uk but the majority of utd fans do come from off these shores and are as concerned about the clubs off field situation as us so it be wrong to alienate fans that could be of help. so it be useful to get fans on board that can speak a second language so that a site can reach as many fans as possible (plus i don’t think any major supporter site offers that as of yet so it be something new)
Look, if there are enough people interested in really making some noise in this and would be willing to help drum up support then i have a little free time to get the ball rolling at least but obviously I don’t want to waste my time if no-ones interested. The main aim would have to be to get people listening (not donating as of yet as money talk often scares people off) and try and get all of the supporter groups talking to each other (both MUST and the ‘we hate the glazers’ facebook page have around 17,000 fans but they are probably not all the same fans – combine them together and you’d get probably around 30,000 factoring in fans who are already members of both) If a fan takeover bid was to ever go down i can’t see it going down earlier than 2012-2013 to allow time to gather the finances and because of the sheer amount you may need to get involved investers (who are legit utd fans and want to make a profit as they’re business people but have an actual emotional attachment to our club) with the fans holding at least a 51% controlling stake in the club.
But numbers talk – say any fan takeover site got over 100,000 fans plus, even a million that would get a lot of interest from various avenues, perhaps even the media and it would put massive pressure on the glazers to do what’s best for the club and sell it on to an owner who actually gives a toss about the club which they bought (not just that they get a profit) like (i feel dirty typing this) chelsea’s situ (read http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2329097/Roman-Abramovich-clears-Chelsea-debt.html) – i think many fans would see that result as part success, buying time for a fan takeover later on.
So is the above ideas you think people on here and other supporter sites would be interested in or do you think it’s a waste of time as more established sites like MUST and IMUSA are kind of doing it already?
the idea of the 5-10 minutes boycott of the Milan game sounds good but as niklas 89 rightly says it could cause a huge impact on how the players perform. Also how many would actually partake in this boycott – same applies for renewing season tickets. Lets be honest looking around Old Trafford how many people would do it because I cant see 65,000+ reds doing this. Alot of fans are too pasionate to concede their season tickets and on matchday, fans such as daytripers (who’s numbers would be reduced if the Glazers haddn’t forced the real fans out) would not be so pasionate about the long term effects of these actions as they only think about seeing every minute of this once in a lifetime experince. Same with them in the club shop. We will always now be outnumbered at OT with the muppets who flood the club shop and buy shite – same inside the ground so that excludes the idea of not buying anything because some will always. But this could have an effect which in time could make them realise. I’m not excluding the ideas as I agree with them but Im being realistic and trying to make everyone not get their hopes up.
@di
Yes I meant you : )
Valid points again
Basically everything has to come under one banner – I think that’s a good starting point.
The whole purpose is to gather as many United fans together with a statement of intent – meaning how much one should be willing to pay – also a clear plan on how it would work.
You are right insofar as it will take time – they paid 800 plus million to buy the club which is the debt figure – and yes they will look to make a profit – you are also right if you suggest that if we can create enough of an intent – which it would have to be in order for someone to take the club over – or with us or to help us.
Your ideas have weight – we just need to connect the dots together.
Scott we need help – maybe you can create a link that each and every one of us can pledge an amount and begin to work at this?
Also Scott maybe you can have a link to connect with United supporters here and afar?
Again a starting point would be – a million United fans donate a thousand pounds each and we have what we want – this is just a theory but possible – and it’s a statement of intent and a pledge that could favour like you say someone looking on from the outside and coming to us with some serious cash – maybe we can work out what we could pull from there if it came serious
di I respect you – as much as this is – if we can work at it – it’s not a waste of time – after all our vested interest is our club.
Jay 1200 million is the same as 1.2 billion.
I actually think the scouse idea is a good one. This way more fans will be seen to be demonstrating. At the end of the day as much as we all hate the dippers would we want to see them go under too? I wouldnt. I love the rivalry too much
@di
I’m working on it – I’m just writing anything at the moment so bear with me
1 million fans x 1000 1b or
2million fans x 500 1b
It must be kept equal:
After the club is bought each and every fan is bound to the club and can only sell his share out to a fellow fan for the value that he bought it out for and must notify the club. No fan can sell his share for any profit to any company or owner who wishes to pursue buying the club undertaking an oath that if he or she does so then they automatically loose any share they possess and that the share becomes invalid and that it becomes useless. Other fans will be given an opportunity to invest – again every fan is equal –
Every fan will be treated equally – the ownership of the club is based on sentimental value not on any financial terms what-soever – when signing up this is to be be part of an historic precedent that the biggest club in the world is in the hands of the fans that adore it and love it and are willing to protect it from any further buy out. Consequently this will become a family run club with all the mechanics and the structure of the club in place. The CE will run the club and the manager will run the team. After the initial buy out each member is bound to a supporting fee of no more than hundred pounds (figure to be agreed upon).
In return the club has a right to charge for membership but the fee must be fair. Ticket prices must be bought to a level of acceptance and any ticket season holder does have the right to opt out of any cup game which now they must attend to without any question. The club cannot make such decisions upon itself so it must invoke the following:
MUST must have a member on the board in order to keep the fans up to date with what is happening at the club on a daily basis – as does the Republik of Mancunia – so therefore we nominate Scott the red to equally be available.
Every season five members (numbers to be decided) must be allowed voluntarily to OT to oversee that the club is being run to the standards that the fans wish – it is also necessary that at no time any fan has a right to have a say in matters of the CE or the Manager. We should be present to make sure that the club is in good health financially and morally. The decisions to choose such members rests with the club or by a means of a lottery.
We are all equal and we must be bound by that equality forever. In the case of a United fan passing way – his/her share automatically passes on to a nominated United fan in the family. Everything is kept as simple and as clear as possible.
It is our attention to raise the intent of buying our club from as many fans as we can from our country. After this we must roll out a plan to contact every United supporters trust from all around the world.
After the initial intent which must be signed up to – every United fan must be ready to pay into an account which will be over looked by a professional in order for honesty and to comply with every regulation regarding an eventual takeover. Everything will be done according to transparency – no United fan will be left in the dark – everything will be co-ordinated in order under one single banner – which as of yet is still in the works. However contact will be made with MUST and RedCafe and of course we will lead from this blog.
Again we would also need a link where we can all sign up on this intent and of course agree upon which route we are taking – 1 million (1000 each) fans for a billion or 2 million (500 pounds each) fans for a billion.
We need to do this – I believe we can set a precedent and change the course of our club forever – please better this proposal
@ MG
sorry it’s taken me so long to reply back – i’ll been ill and i’ve had a couple of uni things to sort out so this will be brief.
i think we both agree (like many utd fans) that we need to start planning new options ahead whatever they are now and not wait a year or two as even though I think some fans see the current off field situ as perilful as of yet (which to an extent currently they could have a point), in 2 to 3 years time things could be much bleaker than they are now and if nothing else it would be a sensible idea to at least try and plan another option/a backup with as many fans as possible.
i think that we both have slightly different ways to go about starting the process of getting a possible future fan takeover going. I know that the daily developments in the papers make people want to think of a solution & get it up and running as soon as possible, but personally i’ve always found that it’s a good idea to pace oneself, explore all avenues and plan out at every detail possible so that you don’t have any major issues popping up at a later point that are difficult to right at a later point – ie…don’t start planning how you’ll make your sushi & what type it’ll be until you’ve hooked the fish into your boat!!!
apart from a zazzle page i’ve never set up a webpage but i’m a quick learner so I should be ok. I do have a background in art & design but don’t get your hopes up for a brilliantly designed site esp as you can only do so much on these free create you own site types. I am more inclined to set up something like this web (RoM) rather than facebook as if there are a number of fans like me then they’ll hate social networking sites (facebook, twitter, etc…) as much as I do, plus they are things that you can attach at a later point say if this www venture ended up being popular/successful.
I think I can get something on the net in a week or so and update the thing at the beginning but long term (especially if (not jumping ahead as this could all bomb) this takes off in a major way) for 2 reasons I don’t think I would be the right person to run this – 1. i’m a student with a pretty full on workload, which if all goes well will lead straight on to a career with probably an even bigger workload and 2. I haven’t been a utd fan for nowhere near as long as probably the majority of ppl on this site, only 4 1/2 yrs (got into the game when I started my studies as no one else in my family like football, and when I was studying there you you get the impression that no other city can get you excited about football the same way manchester does – football wise the city is just special and therefore it’s major club (utd) is just as special and it is vital to preserve this great club for future generations, it’s a crime to the whole game if no one at least tries) which surely if someones going to run something that could make a difference it should be someone who’s been a lifelong fan for 25+ yrs?! for that reason i’ll create a separate contact email address to go with the site so someone else can take over at a later point when needed.
one area I will need help with is emailing/contacting as many supporter groups/forums/other webtype groups (ie…the social networking groups) as I’m don’t comment on any other united site apart from this one and some people on RoM may already be in contact with other mods for other fan sites so that may be a more sensible idea. The main aim of this site should be to try and get as many individuals and utd supporter groups/forums/other webtype groups using it as a place to gain contacts and talk to each other (either on the site or outside) as possible as ways of keeping utd utd and more comfortable off the field than it is now (one way or another).
I know you personal want to jump in but I personally think it will be better to start small(ish) and build up to the bigger stuff once their is a major audience (first locate the members of a choir, get them singing in tune, to the same tune at the same time, only then let them sing live – (i’m sorry i love my sayings as you can tell) and when looking round the web apparently someone’s try to break the record for largest online petition at 60m signatures and the largest facebook page has over 5.8 members. Therefore trying to get 1 to 5m signatures in support of discussing a possible fan takeover and ways of doing it may sound minor and even pointless to some but considering that a gavin and stacey facebook page campaign of over 140,000 members got reported in most of the major uk papers imagine what exposure and message 1m+ would send out to the world and it’s utd fans – it’d be pretty huge and if the time was to come it may be easier to gather the finances in terms of investments and donations from fans (and outsiders if need be) – mentioning sums over a 2 digit number straight off the bat may scare some fans off right now, lets drum up the support right now.
Ok, i’m going to start planning this, get back to me if you have any ideas/thoughts – i’ll need people to look though the final thing to see if it’s suitable. If anyone has a major issue with this plan then put a message on this blog page and i’ll stop what i am doing as i don’t want to upset anyone.
The bottom line in my thinking is that millions are complaining about the off field situ but don’t much of that % are actually doing something about it and that has to change if we are to increase the likelihood of things improving in the future.
(n.b that wasn’t so brief a post in the end – sorry!!!!!)
sorry i made a mistake on the 2nd paragraph, i meant to type
“even though I think some fans DON’T see the current off field situ as perilful as of yet”
makes a little more sense now!
@di
No problem I’ve written up in the blog City shouldn’t worry us…
But again do you want to connect privately – azad ghani on facebook – as mentioned I’m sitting in front of Sydney Harbour Bridge
I think we can do this…
I’m not happy with the financial situation at the club either but by cutting the club off of money it needs at the moment, your just helping make things worse. The Glazers have screwed us financially but we wouldn’t be in this bloody situation if we didn’t have former major board members too greedy to consider the financial implications of selling the club to the Glazers.
Also, to ask Ferguson to resign is not the answer. Ferguson has spent the last 20+ years building the club into what it is now. To ask him to resign now, is asking him to throw away all the work he’s put in to the club over those 20+ years and I think Ferguson would prefer to go out on his own terms.