Following Chelsea’s defeat to QPR, footage of John Terry allegedly calling Anton Ferdinand a “black cunt” was circulated on the internet. Chelsea fans immediately insisted that the word being used was “blind” and scolded rival fans for thinking they were lip-reading experts.
As much as anyone hates Terry, no one should wish for him to have said something racist because that’s fairly sick. Wanting him to get in trouble or wanting him to be exposed, yet again, as a total scum bag is natural, but no one should want any racism in our game. Whatever your feelings on the national team, Terry is still the captain and still represents our country, so to have such a high profile player being outed as a racist should not be a source of happiness for any of us.
However, after the game Terry acknowledged that he had used a racial slur but insisted it was just a misunderstanding between himself and Anton Ferdinand. His statement was jumbled and didn’t make an awful lot of sense but he claimed that he had made his peace with Anton after the game and certainly was not racist.
Then it emerged that the first Anton had heard of any racism was not in the dressing room after the game, but when he was told about the footage at home and that he offered no such accusation to which Terry could respond. This sets alarm bells ringing in regards to how truthful Terry was being with his explanation of being caught saying those words.
Terry then did an exclusive with The Daily Mail insisting that he had actually said “do you think I called you a black cunt?” after a run in with Anton. People turned back to the footage and whilst Terry’s mouth is obscured from view for one second by Ashley Cole’s head, it is clear that his explanation for using the racial slur does not add up at all. There quite simply wasn’t enough time for Terry to be asking the question he claimed he did.
The FA have suspended their enquiries after the police announced they were launching an investigation. In the mean time, with the doubt over Terry’s explanation increasing, some former players, all of whom are black, have rallied around the England captain.
Paul Ince
“He’s not a racist. It’s no excuse to say allegedly what he might have said or what anybody says towards black, white, Chinese. But if you say things in the heat of the moment it doesn’t necessarily mean you are a racist. There was probably no intent on what John Terry allegedly said. As far as I’m concerned, people say something in the heat of the moment but that doesn’t make them a racist.”
Trevor Sinclair
“He’s not racist. If he’s said something that’s not accepted, it wouldn’t be racist, it would be maybe just to try and upset the opposition. I’m not condoning any kind of racist comments but what I am saying is that I don’t think John Terry is a racist. He uses everything he can to try and win a game for his club.”
John Barnes
“I do not believe John Terry is a racist. He could have made that comment but I don’t believe that making that comment necessarily makes you a racist.”
Their responses are absolutely astonishing. How on earth can anyone, black or white, claim that calling someone a “black cunt” is acceptable banter on a football pitch? How can anyone claim that, if in the heat of the moment, the first thing that comes out of your mouth is a racial slur, that it’s not the behaviour of a racist? Either these terms are in your vocabulary or they’re not. You either use them, in the heat of the moment or as banter, or you don’t. To suggest that choosing someone’s skin colour as something to comment on in the “heat of the moment” without that person being racist is ridiculous.
Ince, Sinclair and Barnes may genuinely be of the opinion that what Terry allegedly said does not make him a racist and I’m not suggesting they have any other motive to defend him, but the damage these statements do to the Kick It Out campaign is incredible.
Can a 15-year-old in an academy match shout “black cunt” at their opponent just before they take an unfairly awarded penalty, using the justification Ince, Barnes and Sinclair have given? Can a 25-year-old do the same when playing in a Sunday league game? Can a 30-year-old do the same when paying in a Premier League game? The answer to all these questions should be a very simple “no”. In a day an age when the country is actively seeking to put a stop to all forms of racism, why are these former players saying racial slurs do have a place on the football pitch?
If Terry has said what has been alleged, then he shouldn’t play again. His off field behaviour, even when negatively impacting on the dressing room, has been brushed under the carpet but the same cannot happen here. Who wants their children to see an outed racist as their idol or inspiration?
More importantly though, whether Terry is found guilty or not, there should be a universal condemnation of using the language he has allegedly used. For these former players to suggest racial slurs are acceptable, if used to give an advantage or said accidentally in the heat of the moment, is quite frankly unforgivable.
Kick it out.
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I can’t believe these people actually condone such!
First btw!! haha!
Why can’t Terry be banned immediately when he was caught on tape saying those words? Rooney was banned last season for swearing and the ban was immediate. I think its a different set of rules for United!
To answer the question, I believe every living human is a racist…… We all have certain nationalities that we have issues with, different religions etc….
Anyone alive who can truly say they simply love ALL are just telling a lie.
Where do you draw the line though? How do you segregate hate from racism?
A debate I would love to have, but not here
I think the real test is if you called one of inces, Barnes or Sinclairs kids that insult. You’d get their real opinion then. Remember its not the first time terrys been up for this.
Now the police are involved that pretty much absolves the FA from doing anything which is what they wanted all along. If Anton didn’t hear anything theres no complaint to be made and Terry will be let off. It will be similar to the Evra Finnan incident where the fans complained about Finnan but Evra didn’t hear nothing so the incident was closed (yet Evra is accused of complaining about this to this day). Video footage may prove a stumbling block but the worst I can see happening is the pigs having a word with Terry.
I’m not surprised by the comments from Ince, Barnes and Sinclair. Just like the Montengro player who wrote a letter to UEFA to stop Rooney from getting a 3 match ban. It stinks of the FA sucking up to people to get their way. Can’t have a scandal like this with the Olympics around the corner. This is the same FA who got what they wanted by a saying a Sikh referee “wasn’t their sort.” The referee may have won his case but is he reffing now? So tell me who won.
The argument should Not Be “is john terry a racist.” The argument must be “did he say those racial slurs on the pitch.” If this turns into a “is john terry a racist” case then this is called Framing the Debate. The media and other pundits seem intent on framing this debate because proving that someone is a racist can be open to too much interpretation. The case must rest on “did he say those things on the pitch.” If he did, (which of course he probably did) then appropriate action must be taken. I debated in college and framing a debate is a way to divert attention…When You Don’t Have a Strong Case.
I am in the heat of the moment right now Paul Ince. Should I call you a black cunt? People have boundaries even when their blood is boiling.
Terry called him a fucking black cunt, fucking knobhead. I don’t have a problem if Terry called Anton a fucking cunt. My point is why bring his skin colour into it, what he said plain and simple was racist. For someone who has a lot of teammates that are black he should know better.
If found guilty a ban and a fine that really hurt – say 3 months and 3 months wages – would be a strong message but to say they should never play again is a bit much I think.
John terry is a cuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnttttttt!!!
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I despise John Terry as a football and much about his life in the public eye. But I am in agreement that just because you make an insensitive comment regarding one’s race in the heat of the moment doesn’t mean you are an absolute racist.
If he called Ferdinand a “black cunt,” he should be punished. As a professional and someone in the public eye, what he said is absolutely unacceptable – as some of the concern may be his words’ affect on young people paying attention to his actions. Of course, were matter was not handled in the press, young people would probably have no idea it happened. But now they do, so Terry should be punished so they understand what he did was wrong.
But the guy is not a racist. Racists are Lazio fans in the stands doing nazi salutes at their own players. John Tyndall was a racist. John Terry just had yet another moment of ignorance – like many footballers we love. Unfortunately, the sport is not played entirely by PhDs in social work or civil rights activists.
We all need to relax.
He’s a cunt no argument there
John Terry is a cunt not a racist. He’s too of a cunt to be a racist
i am black and i dont believe terry is a racist. i have called some of my friends white cunt as banter or while i am angry. and i can assure u i am no racist
CLLC above anyone else proves Cunts exist across all ethnicities.
John Terry, you sir, are a white Cunt. If that makes me a racist, well then, you can call me Billy Bob Gun Rack
Fuckin hell. Jesus Mary and Joesph. Christ on a sodding bike.
I wear glasses. When I was at school some people took the piss out of me for wearing glasses. If anyone was to suggest it was ok for them to call me speccy four eyes because it was in the heat of the moment and in actual fact, they were nice people really… I’d have kicked them right in the kipper.
This is… MUCH worse.
This is possibly the best post I have ever read from Scott. It’s such a shame it’s about this classless chav cunt. He’s clearly full of lies about him making racist comments to demonstrate he didn’t make racist comments. He’s bang to fucking rights.
The fact that this low life scum is captain of our country says it all to me. We live in very fucked up times.
Regardless of his “possible” racist view points, our well loved national leader took the piss out of Americans the about 9/11 the day after it happened. He’s just a long series of moments of dark behaviour.
How the fuck this is deemed acceptible behaviour by black people is beyond me. I’m white and it annoys the fuck out of me regardless of who made the comments. In HIS case, string the cunt up by his tiny bollocks… metaphorically….
There is ONE explanation for all of this. Well, only one I can see. Roman is paying people off right left and centre.
Ince / Barnes / Sinclair, you soppy fuckin shithouses. Stand up dickheads.
Now, where is MY peice in the news?
Fuck that, someone call up Darkus Howe and see what he thinks about it.
Shit.
I’m sorry but I’m a semi pro in the northern league and I have never heard such aggressive racist slur on a pitch in all my playing career , why…? Because no one wants to be known as a racist! … You would be embarrassed and ashamed , and am sorry but how come none of the Chelsea players have come to his defence?. I don’t want Terry to be published as a racist…..! But am Afraid as this story is coming closer, in my opinion I believe he might actually be a racist, in which case he needs to be made an example of! Just like the Pakistan cricket players!
would a player get a ban for calling someone a white cunt?
just a thought?
somehow a black cunt is worse, i dont know why that is worse
I cant see that being black is somehow worse than being white
so the banter is the same imo
dont get me wrong though i am totally against racism and any kind of name callin for that matter
Scottish Wonder.
If a white player played in a predominantly black country in a sport that had a history of anti white behaviour, so much so the sports governing body had start to campaign against it happening and then the captain of the national team (who was black) aggressively called said white player a “fucking white cunt”…
Yeah, I think it would / should be seen as an issue.
I certainly wouldn’t expect to hear John Terry appear from under some forgotten rock somewhere to explain to all us thickos as to why it was ok because it was in the heat of the moment…
@Mes
thanx for the response
i agree with you, good argument
I’m with St Percival on this one. The argument isn’t (or shouldn’t be) about whether he’s a racist, it should be about whether he said those words. Those are two different arguments. If he said what is alleged, then he should be punished.
As for whether he’s a racist or not, I really don’t know. He does have a history of making comments that, at best, were poorly judged. On the other hand, I personally believe it is possible to make a racist comment, even if you’re not actually a racist. In the same way that you might call someone a “fat cunt”, even though you don’t discriminate against fat people, or “four eyes”, even though you don’t discriminate against those who wear glasses (like me!).
And to a large extent, I think the argument about whether someone “is a racist” or not sort of misses the point, in that racism is an attitude and neither the law nor society can govern or punish attitudes. Words and deeds, though, are a different matter. You can be the biggest racist in the world — but so long as you keep your thoughts to yourself, and refrain from saying or doing anything that is racist, then it’s your business.
Stateside, my I applaud you on a far more reasoned and thought out post than my rant aobve.
However, there are always occasions where there is something thrown into the mix that makes things a little different in some way…
May I remind you it’s JTCLLC we are talking about here?
Mes and Scottish Wonder … A racist comment isn’t one in which a member of the “majority group” insults a member of the “minority group” based on skin color. It’s one in which a player of one color insults a player of a different color, based on that color. A black player who calls a white player a “white cunt” (or calls an Asian player a “yellow cunt”) is making racist comment, regardless of how many black, white or Asian people live in that place. In the same way that a person of one race, who murders a person of a different race because of the victim’s race, is guilty of a hate crime. And that is true, regardless of who belongs to the dominant race in that place. There have been black people (and white people) convicted of hate murders in the US. And I remember a famous case about 10 years ago in Sydney, where a gang of youths who “belonged” to an ethnic minority where quite rightly convicted of hate crimes, after they purposely hunted and raped a large number of “white cunt” women.
Apply it to real life. Could you say that to someone in your office or on the street??
I think not.
Well thankfully in 3 weeks my country’s Captain will be Makoto Hasebe. Good rebuttal Mes beat me to the punch. That is an issue people seem to forget that people from ethnic backgrounds had to struggle to get treated equally in Britain not the other way round.
Mes … oh yeah, JT’s a cunt, no doubt about that!
Wayne Rooney swears into a TV camera – instant two game ban from the FA.
John Terry is caught on camera calling another player a “black cunt” – wishy washy investigation from the FA that will go nowhere.
Surprised at Incey’s comments. He’s been very vocal about the lack of Black managers in English football. Terry might be many things, but I’ve never took him for a racist. I get the sense though, the issue might get fudged.
shit tired of this non story, give him his games ban and let then get on with things. and anyone wonders why international football is dross. Too much talk killing an already doggy group representing the country
So how many of you can call someone a “black cunt” at work and still have a job? Thought so.
It doesn’t matter if he is a racist or not. ‘Heat of the moment’ is rubbish and only gets you out of trouble with the missus at best. What he said was wrong full stop. We decided as a society it has no place in our world. All of the talk about Rooney the ‘role model’. I would propose this is a far worse offence than swearing into a camera. Ince and the others should be ashamed of themselves.
As mentioned above, the spineless FA will do nothing and now have their excuse.
Well said Scott the Red – Ruth Ibegbuna put the boot into Barnes the other day and that was the first I’d heard of this. She called him a sell out, and thats what it sounds like. But Ince? He should be fucking ashamed of himself. He is basically saying, if Suraez did what is alleged, then it doesn’t matter if he only did it to wind up Evra. Fuck off Ince, I just hope when your SON is called a black cunt he has more self-respect and backbone than his OLD MAN. He looked like a decent player the other day, so I expect he’ll get some “harmless” stick over this as well.
Look at Collymore, I remember laughing at him not long ago when he reckoned Rio and Anton weren’t black. Ha! Well your black enough to be called a black cunt ain’t you Collymore you fucking cunt? So back to Ince, he’s basically saying people racially abusing Collymore isn’t a problem as long as those people are not “really” racist and “only” say racist stuff to upset Collymore. You couldn’t make this shit up.
And no wonder there are no black managers, looks like they are too busy being called black cunts and standing there with their dick in their hand. Fucking pathetic, at least LES FERDINAND isn’t walking around cap in hand. To be honest LES FERDINAND sounds like he wants to break Terry’s red neck, so maybe there is hope for football after all, but thank fuck for Evra and Anton. Its 2011 gentlemen, have a fucking word will ya!?
But more importantly – as for everybody asking “but is Terry really a racist” …
Who gives a flying fuck if he’s “really” racist or not? Who gives two fucks? If I go to work with a fake gun and ski mask and pretend to rob the place, it doesn’t fucking matter if I was “only” joking and im not “really” a robber, IM GETTING ARRESTED AND FIRED.
What a ridiculous defence for Terry – “yes, but he’s not a real racist, your honour”
Right, so I can say racist stuff all day long as long as I can say, well my best friend is black? Fuck Off. This really isn’t about if Terry’s a racist or not, its a case of did he use racist language against a fellow player, and he ADMITS that he did. SO PAY THE FUCKING CONSEQUENCES!
Seriously, if calling somebody a black cunt ain’t verbal racist abuse then exactly what is? And if the England Captain doesn’t receive a punishment, after BENT received punishment for less, then fuck me we may as well scrap the equality laws and go back to race riots aye?
And all you fucking apologists, try calling the next black man you see a black cunt. I bet if he nails you to a cross you’ll want him done for GBH. You’re all cowardly Scum. The England Captain calls his fellow capped Englishman a black cunt but people still want him to walk free. Ha. And he probably will, but end of the day it really doesn’t matter if Terry is a racist, because what he said during the match was racist. End of.
Its really not rocket science. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, SHOOT IT like a duck. Even if it wasn’t “really” a duck, no worries! It will serve as a warning to the next twat who pretends to be a duck. Thats a Win/Win solution imo, and besides, ain’t that how our deterrent-driven criminal justice system works? Terry should be punished, but personally I reckon the police were brought in to clear him, because if they do the FA can’t do anything. Eitherway, Terry will answer for what he’s done, he lives in a lovely multi-cultural city after all.
Good luck with that one matey, because your fucked, and rightly so.
BTW im not advocating violence in the slightest
Stateside, yeah, I have a grasp of the what is and what isn’t but NRD has made my point pretty bloody well for me so all I’ll add is that that is the case pretty much over the entire set of countries being governed by the organisation that bought in the capaign in the first place.
Wille – Big Time Charlie is probably quite surprised how a bit of Russian money could instill a certain opinion in him…
CLLC should be lock up & never allowed to play again..
At the risk of being massively slated, I will throw out (as the father of two daughters) that many would say that throwing around the term “cunt” itself (without any color attached to it) makes the user a sexist/misogynist/etc.
Again, top post Scott, good responses on here as well. Well said StPercival and Mes etc.
Just wanted to add my rant isn’t aimed at anybody on here (I’d just say so)
But I will say, people making excuses for Terry need to sort it out.
So if I steal your car in the heat of the moment, is that a defence? Fuck no. And as has been said, can you call somebody at work a black cunt and then say it was heat of the moment? Fuck no
Finally, as for fellow white blokes complaining that a black player calling somebody a “white cunt” wouldn’t cause this much hassle – number 1 thats bollocks, if Rio was on camera calling ANYBODY a white cunt he’s never wear the white shirt again – and number 2, you show me 400-500 years of black oppression against white people and you might have an argument. Until then, STFU and learn your own bloody history, you fucking dumb consumer.
Funnily enough I said it on here the other day and then read it in the Mirror a few days after… SIR ALEX WON HIS FIRST UNITED TITLE **BEFORE** APARTHEID ENDED…. now, uneducated thick fucks might be oblivious to the history, but apartheid started with colonialism, and colonialism started with slavery. This shit is recent for a lot of people, its not ancient history, and the FA, the police, the media and indeed the public, everybody is playing a very very dangerous game down playing what was said.
You think the Irish/IRA have a beef? You think the Arabs have a beef? Ha!
You are fooling yourselves if you think the horrors of the past are gone for good. And your making a rod for your own backs standing behind a cunt like Terry. After all, the Germans were putting Jews and everybody else in the Oven just the other day, and that all started with unchecked discrimination and racism. We all know what happened next, so don’t think it can’t happen again. KICK IT OUT.
Paul Parker.
Epic rant mate. Totally ace.
@Esteban – don’t be a poof!
Seriously though, you’d be right to make that accusation, but as the father of two daughters the best place to start your campaign would be page 3 of the Sun, no? Or what about 4 and 5 year olds on TV with make-up and short skirts, buying toy dolls whose only purpose is to wear make-up and short skirts.
I don’t have kids, but fuck me parents have got it all to deal with haven’t they? Sexism, racism and classism. Good luck with removing full frontal nudity from the opening page of the nations most read paper
The reason people like john terry ger away with it is because Its fools like Ince Barnes and Sinclair he plays with.
What are his team mates doing ? Stand up and be counted you pussies!
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People always are quick, when it comes to sports to use the “heat of the moment” argument and I frankly find it quite despicable. At what cost is in the heat of the moment -ever- acceptable? If we are to say that sometimes in sports things get heated and that it’s okay to excuse a momentary lapse in judgment bringing out our inner monkey how much further until it becomes in the heat of the moment to take our shoe off our foot and batter someone to death all for “in the heat of moment of the game.” It has to be no tolerance. No wiggle room in today’s world for our modern professionals who are role models to many the impressionable young minds to take a stance against racism. I’m sorry, but I temporarily lost my head in the heat of the moment is not an excusable defence for murder it canot therefore be an excusable defence for racist ideology otherwise it will only continue to occur.
It’s not excusable for the average citizen on the street to get out of his car in the heat of the moment and call someone a “black cunt” without potentially being charged so should it need be anymore excusable during a football match.
Hang Terry up by his toes and make an example out of him for all I care. Captain of England doesn’t deserve preferential treatment. He doesn’t even deserve to be playing on the team as far as I’m concerned.
Mes – cheers mate
Esteban – just to make it clear im only joking in my post!
@Paul Parker – I hear you. My comment was only semi-serious and definitely was not intended to (a) deflect from the racism issue or (b) defend Terry. My sense (and I would be interested in the view of other posters living in the US) is that “cunt” is used a lot more in England than over here (eg people would say fuck much more frequently than cunt); maybe the politically correct police have a stronger foothold here.
Esteban, bloody hell mate you did ask for it…
If (WHEN) someone calls someone a dick do you stand up and say you feel sexually maligned?
Totally understand you standing up for your daughters (as every father should) but I’ve gotta say, I feel bad for you if things like that bother you.
How the hell do you deal with the existance of the internet?
Esteban, just for the record mate, you never once seemed like you were defending Terry.
Esteban, you are definitely right that the politically correct brigade are far too prevalent over there but we have enough of it over here too. I have to say though, it’s things like that that turns everyone soft as shite eventually, where as what we really need is to be growing thicker skin. But there are limits and Mr, John Worlds Biggest Sperm Filled Pikey Tart’s C**t Terry goes beyond them frequently and gets away with it,
Sorry.
I’m just utterly dismayed at the comments from three such high profile black men here.
Just out of interest, did you ever see the Curb episode with the “you car wash cunt” comment. God that’s a funny statement. Makes me laugh even now.
Mes – That’s a fucking relief!
The reason Terry has stated the “heat of the moment argument” is because he watches too much courtroom drama on TV. “Heat of the moment” arguments are a form of plea bargaining in court. This is used in real cases where there is overwhelming evidence against an individual and their lawyers know that they are screwed. “Heat of the moment” arguments generally get you less time in jail than “Premeditated” crimes. This actually makes John Terry look worse from a purely legal perspective because it can be argued that he is admitting guilt.
@Esteban – oh your a bloody Yank, well that settles it then
As for racial issues, whether you live East Coast (Amadou Diallo) or West Coast (Oscar Grant) you lot got more issues out there pal. A lot more. If anything Americans are desensitised, because if either of those recent incidents (or loads more like them) ever happened in Blightly there would be large scale riots on a yearly basis without a shadow of doubt.
Having said that though mate, I don’t think a white NFL player could get away with calling a black player a black cunt on camera? I could be wrong, but I think Americans would come down harder if that footage came out over there, compared with the great british response to Ingerlund Captain Terry.
Swings and roundabouts huh?
Fuck me I’ve just had a thought….
PAUL PARKER (THE REAL PAUL PARKER)
DON’T YOU GO SAYING ANYTHING STUPID PAL!
I’ll have to change my screen name LOL
Esteban … I’ve lived in the States for 12 years and you are absolutely correct that the word “cunt” is much more taboo here than in England (based on my limited experience there) or where I come from. I’ll leave the English to comment on their own standards, but in Australia, the word “cunt” isn’t necessarily an insult at all. Like most other such terms (especially “bastard” and “bugger”), whether “cunt” is an insult or not depends largely on the context, particularly on the words used to qualify it.
For example, to call someone a “stupid cunt” is most definitely an insult. Likewise, “smelly cunt”, “lying cunt”, “fucking cunt” and “useless cunt” are all insults. However, “smart cunt”, “tough cunt” or “strong cunt” are all compliments, while other terms, such as “horrible cunt”, may be seen as poking fun in a playful sort of a way.
As may be obvious from these examples, in Australia the word “cunt” itself is relatively benign. It is really just a placeholder for “person”, like “guy” or “bloke”. There are limits though. To call someone a “black guy” is clearly not insulting (if he really is black, of course), but to call him a “black cunt” is definitely asking for trouble.
And in still other some cases, the word is not a placeholder at all, but is used quite literally. For example, to describe someone or something as being “not worth a cunt full of cold water” is, quite obviously, to describe them as useless.
Interestingly, some other words are almost always insults, regardless of the context. For example, “dicks” are not the same as “cunts”. In theory, you could argue that it is not insulting to call someone a “strong dick” or a “smart dick”. However, this ignores the fact that in Australian lingo, it is actually impossible to use those combinations of words in that way. Someone may be a “limp dick”, a “dickhead”, or a “dickless wonder”, but he can never be a “strong dick” or “smart dick”. It just doesn’t work.
“Smart bugger” is OK, but “smart bastard” would depend on the context: it may be a compliment, or it may be an insult. On the oither hand, “asshole” (or, more correctly, “arsehole” in Australia) is, like “dick”, almost exclusively reserved for insults.
I hope this clarifies things
Honestly, this entire saga has made the FA stupid. They can’t come up with a verdict quick, and its been dragging so long.
Anyway, who’s complaining? I’m just glad terry’s the one experiencing all this.
It’s quite funny eh. Rooney gets banned for swearing last season, and he gets banned 3 games for England. And they’re taking so long for this idiot. Sometimes i feel i’m just gonna crack at all this ultra blatant ABUism.
@ididnotzeeit
Dude what’s wrong with a gun rack? Where else are you going to keep the rifles? (Remember I am in Texas)
I hope this well and truly drags on until we have to play them again. Continuing mental torment for J.T. would be a good thing.
LoneStarRed … today’s trivia question: in Texas, what is the legal limit for the number of guns one may carry in a vehicle (for example, on a gun rack in a pickup)?
@Paul Parker
Well Said.
I want to see some Terry ass NAILED TO THE WALL. If any of us had used such language to anyone in our place of work it would be OVER. As employees we would get the Donald Trump bad hairpiece “YOU’RE FIRED” . As business owners we would be sued and would pay through the nose. Attorneys would be killing each other to take the case.
As to the question of “Is he a racist?” If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it’s a damn duck and if it’s hunting season the I’m heading for my gun rack (right ididnotzeeit
) and that damn duck is duck SOUP.
Regarding the FA if there is a more foppish, spineless, craven , dishonest bunch I have yet to see them…..errr wait I forgot about FIFA…and politicians.
Stateside is right, cunt is can be fighting words here. I like your explanation, I meet some Ausies in 85 in San Diego, cunt this cunt that. In the US a women’s worst word to be called, CUNT!
Cedars 15:00 spot on mate.
@StatesideAussie
Are we talking Shoulder Arms( long guns) or Handguns. In either case or in both cases there is no limit on licensed weapons. However, common sense should play a part in that. Guns in plain sight i.e. a rack, invite theft and as such one has to be prudent. Also, if you are carrying enough weapons to be a character in a vintage Chuck Norris movie you will be stopped and questioned. A professional gun dealer would never do that and most reasonable people wouldn’t either.
Did I get it correct? If not ‘holler back”.
@Esteban Cunt is a STRONG word period. And like most strong words used toward a person is intended to inflict harm and emotional damage. I too have daughters and would not normally use that term…..well except maybe to my ex wife that CUNT… err what was I saying( the red mist came upon me suddenly).
LoneStarRed … someone told me you could have only four rifles in a gunrack in your pick-up in Texas, but it was probably bullshit. Watch out for that red mist lol…
Sorry, only just caught up with this. It’s a very important subject and I’d like to say a lot about it but am going away for a few days. In brief I would just say that the kind of language allegedly used by John Terry has no place on the football field, or anywhere else and should be kicked out. It’s a complex subject, but you have to see abusive language like this in the historic context of how racism has affected black people in many majority white societies, including Britain. There has been a widespread experience of violence, discrimination and exclusion, often accompanied by bullying language like this.
What baffles me the most is the constant denials and lies. Why cant he just admit it?
I think he is ignorant and stupid. I dont like the tag racist though. Intelligent, rational people cannot relate to the whole racism thing. How can another man’s skin colour offend anyone? Dont mean to sound pious but seriously i just dont get it! I understand conflicts of culture (religion vs religion) to a certain extent but there shouldnt really be one here should there? From the outside looking in they would seem to have an awful lot in common. terry is such an awful fucking human being. What a legacy to leave behind. A beacon of such amazing unfairness, ignorance and stupidity that he makes louis suarez look like this man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw6MYwokbhU&feature=related
Well said Giles – and we can all be guilty of missing the wider context, I should know. Like most I’ve been very critical of Tevez’ off-field behaviour in this country (for example), but recently an Argentinian friend explained something which in hindsight I really should’ve already considered. The current Anglo militarisation off the Argentinian mainland is being roundly condemned in South America as a British return to colonialism, and a breach of UN anti-colonial policy which the UK trumpets. Clearly Tevez isn’t forced to work here, but while he is I can understand his antagonistic relationship with the UK media. If I was an Argentinian working here I wouldn’t want to be portrayed “back home” hobb-nobbing with the British establishment either. It hardly makes news here, but its BIG news in South America.
Brazil has recently backed Argentina by refusing a British warship permission to dock, and just the other day Venezula defended Argentine sovereignty and reminded the Queen (no less) that “the Empire was over”. So put into its proper context, I guess Tevez treats this country as a bunch of neer-do-wells because, as a proud Argentinian, im sure thats exactly how he sees it. Our media really does a disservice to the public, as I doubt Britain’s image in South America is ever mentioned in the countless articles on Tevez. Thats not to say Carlito is Bolivar, or a martyr. because he’s certainly proved to be a little trouble maker. But having said that, it still remains very easy to overlook the wider context when we look at the beautiful game, and as I said we are all guilty of it (unfortunately).
@LoneStarRed – yeh mate, the FA really do beggar belief, and they’ve been at it forever as well. Yet despite their track record, somehow, someway, they still never cease to amaze me. Clearly it must take a Herculean effort on their behalf to be such complete and utter fuck ups at every thing they do.
“in the heat of the moment” is not an excuse, full stop.
If he has said it, then he’s responsible for his actions,
nobody has been tried on being a racist, but actions and outcomes,
as soon as an excuse can be made, then it opens the floodgates fo blurring the lines of when a “racist” comment can be made.
If he is a racist, I’m sure there are plenty of his team mates who’d have something to say to him, let alone other teams.
@StatesideAussie I have to disagree with you, “cunt” is a pretty offensive insult here in Australia, using it amongst your mates doesn’t make it less offensive, just acceptable with your group.
You wouldn’t say it to someone you didn’t know, whereas you could get away with calling a stranger a smart bastard, depending on the social context. Well I have anyway