I was lucky when I first used to go to Manchester United matches, over fifty years ago. Although the team was in the painful early stages of recovery from the Munich Air Crash they still often managed to play wonderfully expressive football in keeping with the finest traditions of the club.Take this description of United’s quicksilver style, written by ex-1930s Arsenal star Bernard Joy for a London paper prior to the Red Devils meeting the Gunners at Highbury in April 1960, under the heading ‘Busby Can Lead England Back To The Top’:‘United play a simpler and purer type of football (than champions Wolves) which is more likely to lead England back to world supremacy. United do not rely on specialists. They believe in footballers who can fill more than one position…But for injuries United would have had five inside forwards forming the attack at Highbury today – 19-year old Irishman John Giles, £45,000 Albert Quixall, Dennis Viollet, Mark Pearson and Bobby Charlton…This strange-looking attack succeeds because the players go where the initiative and the opportunity takes them. Each in turn is the forager, each a winger, each a spearhead thrusting at goal. The emphasis is on skill and positional play. The line is reminiscent of that of the Rest of the World at Wembley in 1953 , which contained three centre-forwards…What brilliant teamwork they displayed.’ ( Evening Standard, 23 April, 1960)
I read this article in the London Underground on my way to see United for only the fourth time and perhaps you can imagine the glow of pride I felt as I read these words of praise about my team from one of the most respected voices in the game.I was heading for the Arsenal Stadium, fore-runner of the Emirates,which always had a special presence as one of the great football venues.It represented so much that was admirable about British football. What could be better than Arsenal v Manchester United in such a setting?
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Giles. Thank you. A great article, really interesting insight in to a time that the majority of us have little personal connection with. Our knowledge comes from old footage and books. It’s taken me fifteen minutes to read it so I can imagine how long it has taken to put together. Articles like this make a trip to ROM worthwhile and make you realise that football is a big tent with all sorts in it. I’ve got more respect for The Gunners now that I know one of their players is the subject of an Epstein sculpture!! Makes you wonder about the outcome if the holy trinity were immortalized by Hepworth…
Thanks again…
Sir Giles
What a brilliant insight, took my sweet time reading it and I drifted with my thoughts and wondered if any of it was true or not. It does make you think. .
(I hope those reading this article will give respect to the writer for this terrific effort by not spouting crap, thanks)
I loved your ending paragraph which went like this.
Some people may see these stories of possible, or probable, or proven match-fixing as colourful tales from a distant past that don’t really matter. But it matters to me. I want United to be squeaky clean , at all times, on and off the field. For over fifty years I and countless thousands of others have supported United in the belief that each and every player will try their best. They won’t always win, they won’t always even play well, but they owe it to us all not to betray us or their team mates. That’s why I still find it deeply depressing to think there may have been something corrupt at the heart of United’s team that day in April 1960. All of those players in sparkling all-white were my heroes then. Did any of them betray United?
I hope people reading this thread will give the writer the respect
Sorry about the last line in my post, no idea how it got repeated!
Incredible piece, Giles. And at the same time, distinctly unsettling – I mean, this sort of thing is still going on, perhaps not at the top league sides, but certainly in other countries and in other sports.
@Giles Oakley: Thank You .
Feel a little down though, well the realitys of life .
The good and the bad.
Giles, for heaven sake write a book or 2 or 3. Reds will savour but it, let be your legacy you leave behind one day.
What a thought provoker! Especially when we consider the clear corruption in Italian football ca. 2005, and current accusations flying round the spanish underworld!
not “but it” ‘buy it’ .
typo cos of tuak! or is it arak?
cedars,,,,,, that he problem being old like us…..you often find things repeating……
cedars,,,,,, that’s the problem being old like us…..you often find things repeating…
Dave Malaysia FULLY AGREE…THINK A BOOK NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN
Giles Oakley, you’ve heard it chapter and verse, get it together man!
Thanks for your great contribution to our diet. More of your absorbing insight into football and United is always received with relish and consumed voraciously; ever satisfying. Cheers!
@Tony’Soprano’Bee : Yo ,Boss.
Well, not condoning , just trying to understand,with the wages they were earning those days, it wud be easy for them in betting to sweet talk these footballers into fixing games.
Good thing it was not as widespread, where its just accepted behaiviour.
These days with what top footballers are earning, it reduces the possibilitys, to well organized betting syndicates trying to fix games,cos the payouts have to be huge.
And its getting harder to hide illegal money .
That means in the top category , it will be players with gambling or other problems ,that can be targeted by syndicates.
Others will be referees and players in the lower earning brackets.
For those who like to analyze our clubs finances ,check out Anders latest .
And do see some balanced views in the comments section. Anders is right but not completely.
http://andersred.blogspot.com/
@STR: Sorry but as much as I love Giles and the article, Seeing that headline is making me uneasy ahead of tommorows battle.
Cos the gist of the article states we shud have beaten that 7th place arse side and we well…
Cud u please add another inspiring ball busting arse kicking article!
TQ.
That’s scary, Giles. Nice post.
To say it doesn’t exist anymore is foolish from anyone.
I’m fairly certain and alot of people believe that at the Lyon – Dynamo Zagreb Champions league qualifier match was rigged; Lyon needed to score a ton to have a chance of qualifying and Dynamo seemingly gifted them goal after goal, a team which is alot better than that. And to make it worse theres evidence of people winking to each other (yeah i know, not a big deal), a guy in the bookies the next day from Zagreb (collect winnings after a loss?) etc.
To put into context; Ajax is ahead with 3 points and about 8 or 9 goal difference over Lyon, Ajax plays Madrid & Lyon against Zagreb, so Ajax lost a few goals which is understandable but Lyon went and scored 6 in like 10 minutes in the 2nd half against Zagreb.
@Balls of Steel: Firstly, didnt pay much attention to that lyon game,saw some fuss but was more engaged in our difficulties.
Yeah, sounds like someone did something but didnt the powers to be sweep everthing under the carpet?
Secondly, I am pretty sure theres a story behind your name. Ur not supermans nephew ru?
Christ! How could you scored more than 100 goals & yet you still stucked on 7th?!
I just wanted to get this off my chest in light of our upcoming fixture against Arsenal. Although it doesn’t concern us whatsoever I find the fact that Arsenal built a statue of Thierry Henry completely absurd. Herbert Chapman, I can understand yes, even though obviously I had no clue who he was until I knew about the statues being unveiled. Tony Adams, equally I can understand this as he is undoubtedly Arsenal to the bone. But Thierry Henry, give me a break. How on earth can you erect a statue in honour of a guy that won two league titles then fought to get away from the club which he succeeded in doing by joining Barca.
If that were the case we might as well all petition to have a statue of Ronaldo outside Old Trafford, who won three league titles and a European Cup during his time with us, scoring a bag full of goals along the way. Ronaldo, inspite of the fact that he too wanted to move away from us, still remains one of my favourite all time United players and I’m still always pleased to see him do well. That said I would freak out to see a statue of him outside of Old Trafford just because of the fact that his dream was to play for Real and is a dream that eventually came true. I’m always grateful for his time with us and am thankful we got the best out of him and won all we did while he was here but to build a statue of him would be scandalous.
Surely to God Arsene Wenger was more worthy of statue than Henry but like I said it doesn’t concern us but I does bug me slightly, the shallowness of it all. You look at the statues outside our ground and their can be no doubt in anyone’s mind that they deserve to be there. Well that’s it, rant over, looking forward to tomorrow, Arsenal 1 – 3 United.
Great piece as ever Giles.
byron – I know mate. Absolute lunacy putting a statue of that smug prick up. Like you say pal, shallow.
A little off topic, excuse me:
Sir Alex says: “Darron will be out for the season.”
Get completely well Darron, we look forward to your triumphant return.
smartalex – I fear that Darron won’t come back anymore.
Darron Gibson?
Canaries take a point from Chelshit…..hmmmmm….bye bye AVB…….
My sources tell me…….Darron Gibson will not be returning to United.
Fantastic read Giles! Goes to show, you think you know everything about United. Really interesting article that was. Enjoyed it!
TonyBee – Hey up pal. Is it your birthday? If so HAPPY BIRTHDAY MATE!!!
The rentboys are awful. Torres looks like he wants the ground to swallow him and aren’t surprised. That sitter second half was hilarious. 15 games now without a goal. Fifty fucking million for that cunt. The dippers would be laughing their heads off but for the fact they have someone equally as bad. Well worse actually. Fancy Bolton to get summat today.
@Fred
I think its Darren?
As in Darren Fletcher. That’s what the boss said in the interview.
I will never understand how we just got 1 out of 6 against Newcastle. Never.
Fulham is destroying them.
Tunnicliffe with a great assist for Peterborough!
hello mate fulham4-1newcastle, i don t know how a team like newcastle beat us 3-0??!! also 1-1 at old trafford,blakburn are also losing to everton,macheda can t even start ahead of helguson and dj cambell,
Less than 10 mins to go and still no Kiko for QPR. Sad!
Well Newcastle are without Tiote and Ba so that should be taken into account for their suckiness tonight.
5-2.
@ Saad
That’s no excuse if a team like Fulham is taking the piss out of them. We should have beaten them in both games.
unbelieveable we played 1-1 and 3-0
Dempsey with a hat-trick. Good for him. I still think he’s a cheap jackass.
Dempsey is a class act. A great player. That will wipe that smug look off that fucking cunt Pardew’s face.
@zelh
You won’t get any arguments from me regarding how we should’ve played against them. But the fact is that Ba is their top striker and is having a great season and Tiote is their midfield lynchpin. When you lose your top two players your performance is bound to take a hit.
Out of the five games we lost this season, Carrick didn’t play in 3 of them and in 1 other he played in defense. When key players miss games, performance dips especially when you don’t have credible back-ups like we had in yesteryears.
Fuck me how shit was Torres today for Chelsea, damn shame. but fucking hysterical. That 2nd half sitter he missed summed up his entire career at Chelsea. what a fucking waste.
King Eric – I used to think that about Dempsey until his snide elbow on Phil Jones. Still, I think I have him in a couple of my fantasy teams, so well done to the guy.
what we can say 5-2!! that s why i don t stop saying to have more cosentration in our next games,we losed points against weak team like blackburn &newcastle cause we don t take them seriously,blackburn will be in d1 nxt season,castle are shit even with tiote &ba,no excuse
africain cup start today hope ivory coast make the final and lose it,it means another month without toure brothers,
Haha! Good thinking, iced earth. I hope Senegal get bounced pretty quickly, I have Ba in a few of my fantasy teams.
Geez, how bad does that loss against Newcastle look now? That being said, where were Simpson’s goal line clearances today?
Costas
But how good does our win at Fulham look.
Saw the Norwich game, Torres only scores against Utd. Funny the Norwich fans singing ‘Just one racist captain’ and ‘John Terry you know what you are’
Liverpool a goal down in two minutes, fuck me. hahaha
@James
I was never a fan of the 2 sides to every coin arguement.
@slim
It’s ok. They have Andy Carroll.
pardew will be sacked,mark my words
Good game from Eagles so far. Go on son! Rip that scouseclasslescunts apart!!
Facking hell, watching Liverpool is dire.
Make that 2 goals for bolton now….nice assist from eagles
King Kenny getting the sack tomorrow.
Nah. They’ll “galvanize themselves for the FA cup game next week because the FA cup is all they have left and because they want revenge for Suarez”. Mark my words…
Long last the Leash!
Four generic central midfielders in the game instead of any natural wingers. The Leash must be cutting off oxygen to the brain.
Bellamy really has no neck…what an odd man.
Lots of garbage blowing all over the pitch, and some paper bags as well
More about that Sheffield Wednesday max fixing in 1964…..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_betting_scandal_of_1964
slim – Would you still like Torres at United?
3-1
what a shite team.
On the subject of match fixing, do any of you remember Austria V West Germany at the 82 WC? Both played out the perfect result to go through at the expense of Algeria. The Germans took an early lead and then they were practically passing the ball to each other for the rest of the match. Scandalous it was
but then again they’ll have another cup-final against us.
these utter cunts.
burn the fucking lot and send them home trophyless!
Cedars – That was before my time, but I’ve heard of it. There seemed to be a lot of dodgy shenanigans in Argentina ’78 as well, from what I have seen. From Wikipedia:
“More controversy surrounded the host, Argentina, as all of their games in the first round kicked off at night, giving the Argentines the advantage of knowing where they stood in the group. This issue would arise again in Spain 1982, which prompted FIFA to change the rules so that the final two group games in subsequent World Cups would be played simultaneously.”
Round 1: “The biggest surprise of all came in Group 3, where Austria finished ahead of Brazil. The Austrians beat Spain and Sweden, while Brazil were held to draws by the same two teams. The draw with Sweden was especially controversial, due to Welsh referee Clive Thomas blowing the final whistle just as Zico headed the ball into the net. At the final minutes of the Brazil vs Sweden match, the Brazilians were awarded a corner kick that resulted in a goal (which would have given Brazil a 2–1 victory).”
Round 2: “Group B was essentially a battle between Argentina and Brazil, and it was resolved in controversial circumstances. In the first round of group games, Brazil beat Peru 3–0 while Argentina saw Poland off by a score of 2–0. Brazil and Argentina then played out a tense and violent goalless draw, so both teams went into the last round of matches with three points. Argentina stalled their match that was supposed to be simultaneous to the Brazil and Poland game so Argentina would know how much they had to beat Peru by to advance to the final. Brazil beat Poland 3–1 and because Argentina stalled, they knew that they had to beat Peru by four clear goals which they managed to do with what some saw as a suspicious degree of ease. Trailing 2–0 at half-time, Peru simply collapsed in the second half, and Argentina eventually won 6–0. Rumors suggested that Peru might have been bribed into allowing Argentina to win the match by such a large margin (especially because the Peruvian goalkeeper, Ramón Quiroga, was born in Argentina);[3] however, nothing could be proved, and Argentina met the Netherlands in the final.”
Final: “The final, Argentina vs Netherlands, was also controversial, as the Dutch accused the Argentines of using stalling tactics to delay the match. The host team came out late and questioned the legality of a plaster cast on René van de Kerkhof’s wrist, which the Dutch claimed allowed tension to build in front of a hostile Buenos Aires crowd.”
“The Netherlands, because of the controversial game events, refused to attend the post-match ceremonies after the match ended.”
Argentinians…
Fred
I recall the 78 WC very well, an excellent Peru team were beaten 6 nil by Argentina which meant they progressed at the expense of Brazil on goal difference, another scandal to be honest.
The Holland teal in that tournament were bloody fantastic, some of the goals they scored from long range were out of this world.
cedars devils
it was scandalous algeria was the victim,and if i am not wrong fifa changed the rules,liverpool pure shit,but i prefer theme wining against shity,it will put more persure on manchini&shity,in the final liverpool will be beaten anyway,i have read it few times now that we are in for c plalace right back,u21 england int,it seem that we are closing on him the fee 3million,a rb with already rafa &fabio in that position?anyway i love that united bring new players
Evening all. Fantastic article Sir Giles of Oakley. It really opens your eyes reading articles like this and I find myself drifting into the dressing room looking at these players in the eyes and thinking, honestly boys, really?!
Dave
Probably the only good thing to come out of the disgustingly ridiculous wages these top players earn is the fact that it makes them very difficult to bribe. Nonetheless, it does appear that both Andy Carroll and Fernando Torres have been got at!!
Cedars
Evening pal… Shit and spineless indeed. The dippers will be on 50% effort tonight, saving themselves for their cup final against us!!
iced earth – don’t forget how often the twins specially Fabio are injured. We need cover specially for right back.
Sir Giles, so cool are you. Man Utd trough and through.
Darren be well. I feel selfish to be so gutted as a fan not to have Fletch on the team, when he is fighting such a real life fight. He was just entering his prime. A lad who became a big game player. A perfect example of what we think of as a proper Man Utd player.
iced earth
Fifa changed the format after 82, where by instead of two group stages and then knock outs it became one group stage and then knock outs. Very much like how the inception of the Champions League where it was pretty much the same. Nothing to do with Algeria being screwed.
As for Argentina 78, it was a dictatorship at the time, really hard times for the locals as well. Once they were awarded the tournament (Which was a shock) there was no way that they will not win it at any cost
zelh, I see a busy summer for long term target’s of SAF to be purchased this coming window. He was 3 for 5 last summer. maybe 4 of 5 this summer, with youth development from internal promotion as well. He has now known of Fletch for over a year now.
liverpool make bolton looks like barca,carool shoked me manucho an d dong are far better than him,daglish and pardew will be lucky to finish the season without being saked
For me the corruption in the game comes from the top authority, i.e. Fifa.
They have turned what was pre 78 a WC into a joke. Money under the table, dodgy decisions and making sure results went the way they wanted. 2002 springs to mind, how on earth did South Korea make it past Italy and Spain is beyond me. Since 82 I never bother with that fake tournament.
Sepp Platter should be jailed, fucking racist criminal.
Mike
Well said, them dippers will be saving themselves for us, spineless bastards
Great stuff as usual sir giles and great stuff bolton. After watching arse and the rat munchers in the last couple of weeks we should hammer them but they always up their game against us were their cup final small time cunts
Giles,
I have no doubt in the past players for a variety of reasons have attempted to match fix. I
remember as a young boy in Ireland reading about the match fixing involving the Sheffield
Wednesday players .When John Moores (Mr Littlewoods) the Everton ‘owner’ sacked ex United captain Johnny Carey in an underhand way (he was informed by a taxi driver!) they appointed an ex player Harry Catterick as the manager. He had built up a good side at Wednesday. Catterick then moved for Tony Kay and he was instrumental in them winning the league in 1962-63 season(United won the cup). So when Kay was banned for life even though his ‘crime’ was committed whilst at Wednesday it was Everton who lost out. Kay was similar in built and style to Alan Ball ,small and tenacious. Many people were of the opinion he would have been in the England 1966 World Cup winning team instead of Nobby Stiles, as combined with his tenaciousness he had more skill than Stiles. Matt Busby always pleaded clemency for the players involved.
It has always baffled me as to how a few players can ‘fix’ a game. After all, there are twenty two players on the pitch and surely a hell of a lot more than just a few have to agree to ‘fix it’. There was
definitely something dodgy about the 2-2 draw at Goodison between Everton and Wimbledon years ago. Everton were two down and needed at least a draw to stay in the Premiership ,they scored two very suspicious looking goals and later the Wimbledon goalkeeper Hans Segers was mentioned in match fixing.
On a lighter note , as a United supported who Arsenal choose to erect a statue to
outside The Emirates does not bother me ,they can erect one to hatchet man Peter Storey if they wish. I always thought Henri was a bit overrated and Dennis Bergkamp and Liam Brady were better all round players.
Cedars
Sepp Blatter should be shot! You’re right, the corruption does come from the top, look how quiet it’s gone since we were told there’d be a full investigation into the scandal at the end of last year! Qatar being given the World Cup???!! Bloody joke!
Mike
Qatar being awarded the WC was the final nail in the coffin for me. No offence to the Qataris but look who they were up against. For fucks sake, its 45 degrees there in the summer. They may have air conditioned stadiums, but how can you control the weather outside the grounds for all those 1000′s of supporters coming in and out of the grounds?
Platter & Platini are ruining the game, fuck em both
WillieRedNut
haha fuck no. not this one anyway, i reckon the gaffer would have done a better job on him than the crap managers he’s had to work with
Platini is one that I hate with a passion. Bastard was hesitating in handing us the trophy in 08 with a sad look on his face yet the following year he was all claps and smiles when his favored club won it.
Player tapping cunt, I will never forgive him for his numerous attempts to unsettle Captain Marvel. Fuck him
Cedars
They’re a pair of chumps! That’s why the FFP ruling will end up being a joke because they’ll do everything in their power to find loopholes in the system for their “golden boys”! How a position of such power can go unchallenged is beyond me! Any other industry and that cunt Blatter would have been ousted a long time ago!! Fucking fanny Blatter cunt!
For me Blatter will always be a Platter
Sir Alex interviewed by Claire Bloomfield:
Q. What were the major factors in your life that ensured your success?
A. Good teachers. When I was at school, I had a fantastic teacher who inspired me. The next thing is to create standards. The second part is practice and creating standards. The tactical ability will maybe come later. The most important thing at that age is practice and the time to practice.
Q. How important is youth development in modern soccer, and how can it affect the success of a team?
A. You can’t play in the street because of traffic, and computers have taken young people’s lives away in terms of their involvement in sport. We must have a setup where they can have a concentrated effort to produce young players, and in a coaching sense, it will be a step forward for them. It has to happen.
Q. How do you think the game has changed since you played?
A. It’s different to 30, 40 years ago. There’s a fantastic book called “Unlimited United” and the center pages is a photograph of Manchester United players and Leeds United players all fighting on the pitch. They’re ripping the strips off each other. In the background, the fans are silenced. They’re just watching. Nowadays, they’re screaming over the fences, screaming at the away section of fans, and the behavior pattern of people is different today.
Q. Do you think anyone else will ever manage the same club for 25 years?
A. I don’t think so. I’m a phenomenon.
Q. What have you learned, and how have you changed as a manager?
A. One thing I have learned in the last decade is delegation. In the early days, I was involved with scouting, coaching, youth, everything. You can’t do that for a long period of time.
Q. What about your retirement?
A. I said it to the directors 15 years ago, maybe more than 15 years ago. You have to remember that the most important person at Manchester United is the manager. The minute a footballer becomes more important than the manager, your club is dead. The history of this club goes down the drain. I am the most important man at Manchester United. It has to be that way.
Q. Do you think the pressures of the international game have had a negative effect on certain players on your squad?
A. I think the expectation of England is too huge. It’s too big. You’ve got to also look at the program English players are faced with going into the World Cup. The league is unforgiving, and it’s very difficult in the Premier League nowadays. The top teams have got to also involve themselves in European football, and some, if they’re lucky, get to the later stages of the European tournaments. We’ve been in a lot of finals in the last decade. That definitely takes a lot of energy out of you, and it’s a big problem in the English game.
Q. What needs to be added to the English game to improve it?
A. Sometimes, a pearl of wisdom comes out of the woodwork: a winter break. I’ve been saying it for the last 55 years, and no one listens.
Q. Do you think you have become less hands-on with the team in recent years?
A. I have certainly mellowed. There’s no question about that. It’s a more fragile human being that I am dealing with today than 25 years ago. They are cocooned by modern ideas, modern parents, modern agents, and they are cocooned by their own image at times. It’s a different world for me, so I have to change myself to adapt to that. I have changed because of these things.
Q. What do you think about the cultural diversity of the English game?
A. I think it’s fantastic. I sit there on Friday nights at the team hotel, and at the table you’ve got English, Brazilian, Polish, Serbian, Bulgarian, Dutch, and they’re all talking to each other and some of them don’t speak English. They communicate fantastically well. I think it is wonderful to integrate the different cultures, the different personalities, to see how different they are, how they view life. For instance, we have an issue with Brazilians because they eat late. They’re a nightmare. They don’t go to bed until 1 o’clock in the morning. That’s the culture, and I’m trying to change that.
Q. Do you think that there will be a time when you will just burn out and leave?
A. I’ll give everyone a tip here: retirement is for young people, not older people. Young people can do something else. When you’re older and you’ve been on that treadmill for length of time I have been on it, if I get off that treadmill, where do you think I am going? Down there. Trust me. Retirement is for young people. When you get older, don’t retire.
Q. Do you think you have a good relationship with the American owners of the club?
A. I have had a great relationship with our owners. They never bother me. They never ask any questions, they never phone me and they never interfere with my job. I am in a privileged position.
Q. What is your most memorable moment as the Manchester United manager?
A. One of my favorite moments is the night we confirmed the treble. It encapsulated everything Manchester United were about that season. People said we were lucky — two goals in injury time — but we kept doing it that season. It epitomized the character of the team, and we never gave in. That is a fantastic quality for anyone in life. Don’t surrender and don’t give in. Persevere no matter how difficult your life is; with that perseverance, you can get through anything.
Smartalex
I read that interview too and something jumped out at me. It’s different to 30, 40 years ago. There’s a fantastic book called “Unlimited United” and the center pages is a photograph of Manchester United players and Leeds United players all fighting on the pitch. They’re ripping the strips off each other. In the background, the fans are silenced. They’re just watching. Nowadays, they’re screaming over the fences, screaming at the away section of fans, and the behavior pattern of people is different today.
I watched the Wolves v Birmingham replay and that Adrien Childs brought this up. Practically said it word for word but didn’t mention the book or Sir Alex, clamed the observation as his own. What a plagiaristic shister
world cup given to qatar is absolute joke,blater an platini love money and will do anythig for it,no one heard about qatar before sudenly they become a great nation of football,buying club,hosting wc,and much more,fifa are becoming a coruption federation
world cup given to qatar is absolute joke,blater an platini love money and will do anythig for it,no one heard about qatar before sudenly they become a great nation of football,buying club,hosting wc,and much more,fifa are becoming a coruption federation under blatter
Thanks to all who wished me birthday felicitations …actually its tomorrow… but MrsBee wanted to see Warhorse so she treated me to an afternoon out…..
if any of you aint seen it yet …take plenty of tissues with you….
I cried like frigging baby…….
so did she ….laughing at me……. Cow….
Make hay while the sun shines TonyBee!
http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2012/01/22/fergie-reveals-robin-van-persie-could-have-joined-manchester-united-102039-23711154/
Just for our very own RVP lover….!!!
Thank you loserpool for brightening up my day.
TonyBee
So many posters here that I would love to meet up with, you for one is by all means on the list. You always crack the fuck out of me. Whilst you sip your pussy like gin & tonic I will be having my manly Scotch. I can only imagine the conversation….
Happy birthday pal
Like most on here, i dont like resurrecting old bones but something just occured to me yesterday. Remember how during the Rooney “ambition” debacle when Ferguson did something he had probably never done? came out with a resigned demeanour and announced to the world that Rooney wanted to leave the club, sparking domestic public action(in england) and international outcry. While it is arguably open to debate whether Rooney coming out with an improved contract after openly(and most would say insultingly) questioning the club and holding it to ransom, left him as the clear winner of the situation(i personally concluded that history suggested fergie wasnt going to take him back after what he said, but he did); it is evident that letting the world know in such dramatic fashion worked its bit in keeping Rooney at Manchester United, what with the death threats and visits by balaclava-clad mobsters to his family home. More to the point, what am calling to light is, #is Morrison’s situation the first of its kind?i mean for a reserve academy-graduate player that has hardly made his mark on the first team? We all know half the time when the gaffer says something concerning the transfer market(whether out going or incoming) it later turns out he was lying(or to put it more respectfully leading the media on a wild goose chase.) But he has let the media know the exact detail of the whole business, the two bids, the unreasonable demands and how talented morrison is. He hasnt cast him off in that “We can always get another you” fashion. Its such treatment that i assume Ferguson would reserve for truly gifted players, say a beckham or a scholes(scholes earlier revealed this season how he pulled a tevez on Ferguson earlier on in his career and how Fergie forgave him. Of course as we know players have left Old Trafford for far less shows of Hierachy Challenge.) But even then, time came when Ferguson decided Becks could go. Morrison’s illustrious and explosive criminal past is far more serious though, a far more potentially damaging quality than having your commitment and time being torn between a Spice Girl wife, your budgeoning Hollywood lifestyle, your dashingly good looks and their insane money-making qualities and Manchester United. Ferguson has tolerated and kept up with Morrison in much the same way he has appeared to with Scholes(on a way lower scale, possibly a one time incident, so no offence to Scholes here),Rooney, and for a time, Roy Keane, the same way i’d like to think Sherlock Holmes would an annoying, irritating but gifted,very valuable BloodHound. Even Roy Keane’s departure now turns out to have been fraught with Bitterness. for Stam, a careless mention in his autobiography cost him his place, a shoe to a brow heralded the possible departure of a legendary number 7. Which is why even the ABU neutral was shocked at Rooney getting away with that open challenge of Ferguson’s authority at United, with many predicting the Old Master wouldnt tolerate it and was bidding his time, making him sign a new contract so he’d fetch a hefty price to Madrid in the summer. So, Ravel fancys himself a gangster don, maybe he’s played a little too much GTA, but Fergie’s put up with him, praised his quality(with the dailymail saying Fergie said at a dinner last year that Ravel was the best player he had seen at his age in his time at United. A big statement considering the staggering amount of players Fergie has handled in his time)
So Romers, am sure this issue has been debated here for a while now but do you think Manchester United should yield to his contract demands? Sure the demerit exists of setting a successful precedent for the rest of the gifted youngsters that may emerge in the future, of how to effectively make United bend to your will. But is trying to prove an already universally known point about an Institution like United worth letting go of possibly a very gifted homegrown player? Look at Daniel Sturridge now. Man City had a similar situation with him when he was just breaking out of the academy, Chelsea took advantage taking him on a free with a tribunal deciding the price for compensation and few teams wouldnt want him in their front line now(and now we hear Chelsea will bid for Pogba). One of the worst feelings is the one you get with talent that is lost. With people like Pique you dont really feel that, the “he’s spanish and was bound to go back” argument suffices. But with a homegrown player that slips through a club’s fingers the regret is always there. I dont know who was at Man City when they let Ryan Giggs join Manchester United but am pretty sure everytime they see Giggsy break or set a new record, they rue that decision. An agonizing everyday reminder of what might have been.
booandman
Not referring to me are you? hahaha
Rio has reputedly picked up an injury in training,that being the case I hope its Lindegaard Rafael Smalling Evans Evra Valencia Jones Carrick Nani Rooney with Wellbeck up top.
RedHound
Ha. You fibber,yoou love digging up old bones,i mean how’s anyone supposed to read that!
CSI would love you Redhound.
Redhound
My take would be, offer Ravel the contract Sir Alex thinks he deserves, after all, he is best placed to value Morrisons contribution to Manchester United. If he turns that contract down then he isn’t as passionate about the club as we thought and if he’s showing little commitment to the club now, it will only get worse as he gets older and demands more money. So sell him and begun investing more time in other more committed youth team players.
@RedHound: Steve Bruce tells this story, where he asks Fergie ,why do u let Cantona get away with the rules, To which Fergie replys ‘u dont worry about it, he will win us games’ .
Fergie has his methods, he deals with players differently, if Rooney had crossed the line beyond redemption , he wud have gone .
Instead Fergie played his cards, and some seniors in the team helped, it worked.
I keep saying that as everyone in life, this young 20 something made a series of wrong decisions in his personal life and his career. He seems to have learnt his lesson and has worked hard to rebuild.
I still feel he is rough around the edges, needs lot more work.
But u can also say that of any 20 somethings.
If I read what they said correctly, Rooney , took over the negotiations from his agent,called ,arranged a meeting with David. In that meeting he got assurances that United will continue thier investment in the team. He signed a contract that was prepared by Gill ,there was no crazy money or counter offfer.
What he signed was what Gill said was a contract that wud make him the highest paid player at United. I beleive that it is 110 k pounds a week from United and additional 30 k from his commercial deals.
The club backed him into a corner and did not let him get away. He signed the contract they wanted to give him.
There is no 250 k or stupid figures like what the media harping on. I think thats one of the reasons Sneidjer deal did not go thru.
United said they wud break thier self imposed financial rules to make the Rooney deal happen, that rule was the 100k max per week rule.
United are generally stingy with money ,Glazer or no . The only time we spent money in recent times like water was when that idiot Kenyon was in charge. Thats why the knives came out for him at United. United are willing to pay for players if necessary but u have to Negotiate a proper deal.
Kenyons last straw was the ronaldinho PSG signing, the club refused to back kenyon in a bidding war 25million pounds to start with against barca. He got the chelski offer he went. Good riddance.
U look carefully at how Gill promoted from within the club handled deals. Totally different. The stingyness returned.
Thats why management ,financially Manutd are one of the best managed clubs around.
Our scouting network, has been rebuilt by Fergie in the last 12 years,one of the reasons he recruited Quieroz. We are now picking kids from the most famous academys in Europes and Brazil.
They dun like it, they are now laughing at us cos now out players Pogba/Morrision look like they are being wooed by our rivals.
It seems these fuck up agents are hovering around Uniteds youth system and looking for gold.
Again we see how Fergie is dealing with the players,he has not been harsh with his comments,leaving room to move the negotiaitons foward in our favour.
But it is sad that these young boys are negotiationg like season pros, what wud happen in the next contract discussions when they are actually in the first team?
Interesting times ahead,watching Fergie handle this is like a free management class.
Gotta laugh at the vermin. They are fucking awful. One win in six. Any other manager would have been sacked long ago. How shit is Carrol yet like Torres the media keep making excuses. Some cunt said today apart from scoring Torres was excellent. He was fucking gash. At thirty four touches Carrol had the least touches of any dippers starter. He is a big fat joke. See that airshot? Good god. They will struggle to get top ten at this rate. The thing is they love branding Berba a flop despite having a much better record than the aforementioned clowns. Davies for Bolton is a tidy little player.
Well I am grateful that Saturdays results are in our favour.
chelski drew, livers,newcastle out.
Now we will do our jobs right Sunday.
shitty/spurs draw.
Its interesting that the racist KKK is now attacking his players and saying they have disgraced liverpools heritage. He says heads will roll. that his players were thinking about the next 2 games
instead of focusing on the Bolton game.
Well , sincerely , me thinks his selection and formation and tactics that actully sucked.
Then again who am I to complain.
King Eric
I know, 1 win in 6 and we’re the team in crisis!!! Fucking jokers!
On matters concerning players, I let the boss handle it as he sees fit. Not like he’s taken care of those issues in the past with expert ease. You can’t win every battle though. He does win most, our gaffer!
@slim
whats up mate. every once in a while i get possessed by a demon and write things like that.
@dave
interesting comparison of David Gill and Kenyon’s methods. About the free business class, its funny you should say that. A top business firm some years ago cited Fergie as a role model for every business man and had if i remember 10 lessons to learn from him. Will post the link here.
Manchester United have been in crisis for more than a decade now if am not mistaken.
@RedHound: Yr name suggests a tall pointy ears and hairy face with a snarling mouth.
And if thats not enough , now ur possesed!
Say can u go to the Emirates tommorow ,since we dun have keano, go to the home changing room
and scare them shite less?
Please , pretty please?
As I type this iam reciting holy prayers for protection!
parryheid
i have also heard that rio got an injury,a back problem,anyone have more details?if goal.com telling the truth rio will be out for long weeks,wich mean very short defensive option,we need rio experiense so much in the run in,having vidic already out,rio lose could coast us a lot,i hate thinking that city have a chance to beat us for the title
Robbie 5 club Keane with 2 smashing goals!
@iced earth, @parryheid: about Rio, do any of u have his twitter page? I am sure he will say something.
Last he said he was ok raring to go .
@dave, that would be an honour but as Henry has pointed out in the buildup to tomorrow’s game, Scholes has executed that role perfectly and everyone over there is scared shitless!!
If Rio is indeed out with a back injury, that severely limits our chances of playing Jones at CM in the games against Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. Rafael won’t play all the time and we need a defender on the bench. Unless Fabio returns.
Oh and Happy Birthday TonyBee!
Rio just tweeted there now……..tell crazy Dave Malaysia who posts on RoM to stop asking questions on my fitness? Back ok LOL
@Costas: I hope Rio is ok, It wud Evans/Smalling in the center.
Rafael saved us twice against bolton,played the full game.
Fabio back on the bench. Phil right back or centre midfeild. He is not ready for centre back .
Dear Red Nuts Willie, Thank Dave Malaysia for his concern. But please do explain how yr nuts became red? Were u horsing around with Torres?
Cedars. Hello my friend. Regarding that 82 match. Ha. A bit like ours v Munich in 99 to see out a draw so we would both qualify at the expense of Barca!
Fred. Hello mate. Sorry I didn’t mean Dempsey was a class act character wise. I meant as a player.
@Dave
As long as Evans and Smalling are fit, the center of defence doesn’t concern me that much. Even with Rio out. But in order for Jones to play at CM, the twins have to remain fit. And that might not be enough. Because Fergie likes playing a tall defender at RB in some of these games. It used to be O’Shea, but now it’ll be Jones.
Alan Pardew…. Your team defended like pussy whipped twat bags that’s why u lost, not because of a dubious penalty!! Not nice when decisions go against you eh Pardew!!!
Dave – Torres might look like a bitch, but he ain’t getting his hands on my RedNuts!
Clint Dempsey is seriously underrated.
dave malaysia
totaly agree with you about rafeal and jones,rafa if he stay fit think he is only second to dani alves,jones must play in the center
daily mail is a shit,always looking for making thing dramatic,there last story about rooney&fergie is a joke
Mike. Hello mate. I know its laughable isn’t it.
Parry. My team exactly for tomorrow.
“Call me an idealist” Well said Mr Oakley! I fully concur with all your ideals.
Dont know if its been quoted yet, but Sir Alex just gave a good interview to the New York Times released on the eave of the first televised (broadcast tv as opposed to cable or satelite) on FOX tomorrows
The final quote suggests that Giles has not to worry from the current squad.
“Don’t surrender&dont give in. Persevere no matter how difficult your life is; with that perseverance, you can get through anything”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/sports/soccer/qa-with-manchester-uniteds-alex-ferguson.html
@MG: yO DUDE, I forgot to tell u ,the one and only woman that can replace Hayley is Charlie Webster!
Any way ,when the bloddy freaky hell are u getting back ? Not like we missed u or anything.
Just get yr freaky deaky self back,tell yrs Mrs.G, to release the chains dude. C’mon yo!
Well me go now, kiss Hayley, to deep sleep.
Calm self before war Sunday night/Monday morning here in Malaysia.
Put war paint,say mojo, shake booty, then scream at tv.
Oh baby,baby,baby.
P.s: @ice earth, yr name is intreresting, ru a Sasquatch or from the ice ages,released from an ice block? Didnt they make a movie of that?
Rafa was brilliant against bolton,wud love for him to start against arse.
@Willierednuts: Well ,now thats cleared up, keep yr red colored red nuts safe,especially if ur attending the liverpool game. Those racist bastards dont like colored people.
Ah Hayley,come sweet……….
hahaha Fucking MOTD going soft on liverpoo and king kenny
only watching MOTD but Chris Eagles is playing really well. Just shows that some players need much more than 1 season on loan to achieve their potential… it’s weird though once they go on to better things they never quite seem to be thought of possibly coming back. forlan? interesting in the context of central midfielders and Morrison / Pogba… it’s very rare that the youth / reserve players break through at such a young age in to that position, wonder whether we should let them play 2 or 3 seasons elsewhere and then have a buy back or first option. apart from scholes obviously… Darren took a fair few years before he became a guaranteed starter… almost 24/25. that’s 4 years for ravel and Pogba. long time to wait…?
coastas
yes you are right,but evans is also injury prone,if rio is really out,fergie must go for someone,it s a risk to play all the next hard games with young cb,
Just caught a bit of dippers post match phone in. They really are priceless. They just will NOT lay any blame at “King Kennys“ door. Keep hearing how its a team for the future etc. No it fucking isn’t. It is an exceedingly average side. The worst side in fact for decades. Cunts like Carrol, Downing, Henderson, Adam are so mediocre its not true. Talk about blind faith. United fans could be accused of it with Fergie BUT the difference is nine times out of ten Fergie delivers. Dogleash is a fucking dinosaur. Three centre backs. Wingers in downing and to an extent Maxi bit doesn’t always play them. Not to mention average dross like Kuyt, Johnson , Agger and so on. They still believe Stevie Me is the player he was four or five seasons ago. When will these deluded clowns wake up?
henry: i was scared of icedible scholes,well said henry,
Watching Everton v Blackburn. Gibson taken off in 90th minute was pretty inconspicuous. I hear Diouf may be off to Hanover. Anyone else heard this??
gary neville team of the season,he pick 5 shity player,no united player picked.
Traitor Neville, the Blue bastard. Just remember who made you, pal!
iced earth… trying to work out who he’d pick from united… nobody has been in the team regularly enough and played well enough to feature… most regular united players Rooney and Nani? not sure they’ve consistently hit the heights… everybody else in and out. makes you realise we’ve been brilliant to be where we are at this stage with the changes to the team we’ve had… hopefully by the end of the year, Carrick, Nani, Rooney and Welbeck.
That’s just his team of the season SO FAR. Come May, it will be full of United players.
Hey Gary you turncoat, want to guess which right-back DIDN’T make my all-time United team?
KingEric, interesting that I no longer think of pool as a title rival. Always did under Benitez. How far they have fallen eh. Time waits for no one.
OFF TOPIC
Daniel Taylor is no favorite of mine, and never fails to get a dig at Ferguson. But this write up on Ravel seems at least level headed. Just don’t know how this will sort out. Do know that I feel the press have us all dancing on strings on this and I for one am not amused.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/21/ravel-morrison-manchester-united
kev e – it’s not about choosing people on merit, mate. He’s a Red and should’t have filled his team with Bitters. Can you imagine if Raul did a team of the season and filled it with Barca lads? He would be hunted down and beaten by Madridistas, and rightly so.
Fred… you’re right of course…
…red he may be… he’s trying to hard to look impartial right now!!! 
Who rattled Fred’s cage?
Hellooo everyone! Hope everyone is having a great night. Sorry my post is completely off-topic but I got some amazing news which I just HAD to share with you guys.
Robbo & Yorke are coming to my city (Dhaka) as part of the Premier League trophy tour & I just found out I’ll get to be on a tv show with them with 14 other fans…& they wanted a passionate female United fan & a bunch of people recommended me so I’m in……AAAAHHH!!!! Am so excited & nervous
Fred. Ha. Well said pal. Pound to a penny the abu press pick up on this and make a big fucking deal out of it. Yes I know he has to sound impartial but imo sold his soul to sky. Should be a fucking united defensive coach or summat not cosying up to cunts like tight trousers and ed Chamberlain. Shows City far too much respect for my liking.
RedNev trying reverse mind trick on the bitters. Get them believing their own hype. I’m glad we’ve got someone on Sky. Too many years of having to listen to Redknapp junior has done my head in. Guy talks shite! Gets paid for it too….
Cedars
http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2012/01/22/fergie-reveals-robin-van-persie-could-have-joined-manchester-united-102039-23711154/
it’s worth reading the article… rednev puts seven united players in the team he would want to play with to win the league….
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2089936/Gary-Neville-Spurs-Manchester-City-dominate-team-season-far.html?
interesting article on ravel in the observer as well… suggests real frustration behind the scenes at his behaviour and attitude. maybe they have had enough… maybe this is just the boss and the club making a real and final point… I suppose we’ll only find out come the summer if he ends up somewhere else.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/21/ravel-morrison-manchester-united?
Willie. Yeah there is that too!
Jellybean. Hey up. How’s tricks? Good to hear from you. That’s great news for you! Take care.
I said when wee beat arsenal 8-2 it was only papering over the cracks we have rode ur luck since then Until we get a decent midfielder(sneidjer)We will struggle to dominate the midfield of any premiership team……fact . I fear for tomorrow
I fear for you Jason. The pills aren’t working mate. Try yoga.
Haha, to be fair to Nev, I think he’s just going out of his way to prove his impartiality, like Kev E said. I bet Fergie still gives him a bollocking if he’s too critical of United though. Class pundit and from what I’ve seen he has relegated Jamie Claptrapp to the background and become the new face of Sky’s football coverage. “To be honest with yer” seems to be his catchphrase LOL. I hardly watch Sky’s coverage really, can’t be doing with all the hype and over-the-top video packages (or the ad breaks.) Just show the fucking match!
Jasonpark. Fuck off. You are a cunt mate along with your alter ego captaincunt9. Have you even seen Sneijder play this season? If you think he would grab hold of a midfield in the prem on last few months form you are sadly mistaken. You only come on here for the wind up. Bore off you sad little boy.
“Unlimited United” – the center pages is a photograph of Manchester United players and Leeds United players all fighting on the pitch. They’re ripping the strips off each other. In the background, the fans are silenced.
Well not in the section of the ground where I saw it – “fuck me” kicked off 2 hours before the match and as I remember a few scalps were taken. Personally got cracked across the head with 3 of the old pennies and still have a scar under the right eye. Bastard Bremner/Giles and the rest of that fucking kicking crew called Leeds – aye somethings you do not forget.
Now let’s smack the Gooners on the pitch on the morrow – COME ON YOU REDS!
United 20/12 – 2012 – (and maybe The Europa Cup)
Happy Match-Day Reds!
Come on United!
TonyBee – Happy Birthday my good man! And may you have many happy returns!
jellybean – That’s wonderful! Well done girl! Be sure to link a youtube clip of your passionate meeting with our Legend Robbo and our star striker Yorke!
Youtube clip please!
Gary Neville is doing a Fergie.
He hasn’t scorned or spurned our players, although the media may chose to reflect it that way.
He has highlighted players that will be (slightly) distracted by his praise; in a similar fashion to Sir Alex talking up Spurs title hopes recently.
He could’ve selected Carrick and Nani (and Valencia), and should’ve selected Giggs. Scholes and even himself for old times sake; but it ‘s not likely to help.
Lay off our Red Nev! He is a top Red.
ps Fred – I enjoyed your digs at Gary, because they came from you; very funny!
The Daily Star – I only read their articles when I can’t find the topic elsewhere. They say:
Darren Fletcher has ‘returned’ to Man United – as a reserve team coach.
The midfielder, 27, who has a chronic bowel condition and is out for the season, has replaced Paul Scholes as part of the second string’s management team.
Carrington insiders say he’s been putting the reserves through their paces and has been joined by former United players Quinton Fortune, Bojan Djordjic and Danny Webber, who have been training with them as they look for new clubs.
Sir Alex Ferguson explained:
“I think that when he missed the penalty last week, it affected his game a wee bit. All players can improve when they are 25, including Wayne. I don’t know who will take the penalties against Arsenal. Absolutely, Wayne wants to keep on taking them. It’s a question that’s down to him really, definitely. If he is happy take them, I am happy to suffer.”
Rooney is adamant:
“Of course I’ll still take the penalties. These things happen – sometimes you miss. It’s not nice to miss but I’m not worried about it. I thought I played OK (against Bolton). I got two assists.”
Sir Alex on Antonio Valencia:
“He’s been up and down but he’s back to his best. Every time he played against us for Wigan he caused us problems, that was how he came to my attention. I phoned Steve Bruce [Wigan manager at the time] and received only positive reports. He told me he could play in three or four positions but I wanted him on the wing. He’s not got Ronaldo’s goalscoring knack but he’s a powerful player who can put in a cross, and any striker worth his salt should be able to benefit from a good cross.”
“If you can identify good wide players I think they are an important asset to a side, as long as they have the appetite to work. Antonio certainly has that. It’s not an easy position to play, but if you look at the wingers we have used in the recent past, from David Beckham to Ryan Giggs to Nani, what they all have in common is a fantastic work-rate.”
I never realized that Sneijder was this desperate to join the club that he joined ROM. Under 3 differrnt usernames nonetheless. But no matter how much he moan RedCaptainPark, Sneijder isn’t coming.
@iced earth
Either way we need another player in defence whether it’s a right back or a central defender. De Laet has rejoined us, but guess what? He’s injured. Any team needs a solid defence and we can’t do that when half of our defenders are injury prone.
‘They will not be here for much longer if that is the way they perform,’ said Dalglish. ‘We expect a much higher standard than that. It is all very well saying they might be distracted by a game on Wednesday, but every game is a massive game for us.’
‘If they think they can turn the clock on and off, they will not be turning it on and off at this club,’ he added. ‘If it is a one-off, fine, but if it is going to be repeated then there will not be too many repeating their appearances in a red shirt because we won’t stand for that. Respect is a huge part of being a successful club and if they do not have that respect for other teams and, most importantly, this club, they are in a bit of trouble.’
‘If they thought they could just turn up and get a result then they got a lesson today. The most disappointing thing for me is that I don’t think we were ready to play the game. I don’t think the approach was correct, I don’t think the way we went about our work was correct.’
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He’s in charge of preparation.
If the players weren’t ready – Dalglish is to blame.
If the approach was wrong – Dalglish is to blame.
If they went about their work incorrectly – Dalglish is to blame.
If they were distracted by a game on Wednesday – Dalglish is to blame.
Now he issues ultimatums to the players. Fool. If they lose the next 2 games will he have the balls to carry out his apoplectic threats? No. He’s painted himself into a corner, I expect that a Mr Bean explosive solution will follow.
Smartalex
Good news to see Fletcher being kept in with the club like that. I am concerned that this may be the last of Fletch on a playing side.
If anyone ever deserved to play for Manchester unitwd then it is Darren Fletcher. Top guys, top footballer, real high end professional. Everyone wrote a young fletch off and he proved everyone wrong.
Smartalex
Completely agree on Dalglish the cracks are appearing and we all know Kenny can’t hack it. He will be gone before long and that will be a travesty as they might bring someone in who can manage.
Just for the record, Rooney is 26 and has moved past the “improving” phase of his career. In my opinion anyway.
@Giggs12
Fletcher will probably have to make an important decision next summer and I am fearing the worst. I love that the club is keeping him around in some capacity, but it’s also very disheartening when you hear that this is all a player in his prime can do at the moment.
On another note, Djordjic? Webber? Should those two still be playing?
Costas. Well said mate!
Smartalex. Morning pal. Yeah well done dogleash. Therein lies the difference. No matter how shit our lads have performed , from Leeds to Crawley to Palace he NEVER slags them publically. Dogleash thinks he is Fergie. A tough gritty no nonsense glaswegian. He is a cunt.
Giggs12Gerrard0 – Hello mate1
I winced at Fergie’s words yesterday. He was answering a question on Fletcher’s possibly return this season, but when not taken in that context, it initially sounded harsh.
“I don’t expect Fletcher to come back,” said Sir Alex. “Darren will be out for the season.”
We are all trying to think positively, but it is natural to fear his non-return, for that is a very real possibility. It’s heart-breaking to consider his lonely fears as they try to overcome his steadfast intent to regain full health, fitness and top performance levels.
Darren Fletcher is a son of United. Get well son!
Oops, didn’t read that properly. Webber and Djordjic are still active. Webber was released from Portsmouth in the summer. Bojan was at Blackpool, but was released over a contract dispute.
1st Mate Giggs12Gerrard0, this is your Captain speaking. I’m taking a cruise, you’re in charge!
Hi King Eric.
In other news, City have apparently made some enquiries about Bale and Spurs demanded 150 million.
Last piece of news from me:
http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/football-hotline/2012/01/22/real-madrid-monitor-manchester-united-striker-danny-welbeck-102039-23711183/
Real monitoring one of our players? That hasn’t happened before has it?
Costas
I agree mate roo is 26 and has been a prem player for a decade. Yhe only improvement he needs is consistency, if he adds that he is tge best player in the world outside of Ronnie and Messi.
King Eric
How are you mate you looking forward to the game today.
Smartalex
Mate I don’t think I can handle the responsibility if filling your boots. Your my main source of united news and updates lol
I’m too emotional erratic with my tribalistic views.
Just to note as well I’m so glad we have not bought anyone…..
Believe when I say 2013 will see United emulate yhe heights of 99, 2008. I have never been so excited by our blend of youth and experience.
King Eric – Good Morning!
I thought exactly the same. Sir Alex protects his family, and handles internal matters with due privacy. Dalglish, and also Boas, are undeserving of their player’s respect.
Costas. One hundred and fifty million!! Ha. Which paper have reported that? What a joke. Twice what Ronnie went for despite only managing about seven goals a season and having just pace and no tricks. Injuries all the time. Ronnie was a one off as we all know. Pace. Power. Tricks. Goals galore. A physical specimen. Consistency. Rarely injured. Spurs have got serious ideas above their station. Fucking piss take. Fuck off Madrid and Mourinho. Can’t you bring through your own players and scout properly. They only buy players that may have performed at a world cup or are well known. Fucking scum. The press really are doing their best to unsettle Danny. Again. Fucking scum.
Giggs12. Hello mate. Good thanks. How are you? Yeah can’t wait mate. Just wish we were on first so as long as we win we could sit back and enjoy the spurs bitters game. Mind you we tend to perform at four o clock sundays. As long as we are on our game we should win this. No need for a five man midfield in my opinion like previous seasons. Rooney can drop back when needed. Arsenal don’t have the same midfielders that could hurt you. Ramsey is ok if he feeld like. Arteta out. Leaves Song and that shite Rosicky. Tony V and Nani could have a field day today.
good morning,bale for 150m,both city and spurs are shit,harry think he is great manager and coaching a big club,every season he bring 3 to 4 players and spending a lot,any other manager will do what he is doing with team like spurs,bale is overrated,valencia is far better than him,modric linked to us 50 million,another overrated spurs player good passe range but never manage to score or assist more then 3 to 4 goal in whole season
ex Daily Mail:
Harry Redknapp’s trial on charges of tax evasion will begin at Southwark Crown Court on Monday.
Redknapp, 64, and Milan Mandaric, the 73-year-old who is currently Sheffield Wednesday chairman, face two charges relating to payments of £96,000 and £99,000 alleged to have been made by Mandaric to Redknapp when they were chairman and manager respectively at Portsmouth. The money is alleged to have been paid into a Monaco bank account opened by Redknapp. Both men are accused of concealing the payments from the taxman in order to evade the payment of income tax and National Insurance contributions on the two amounts.
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“Wheeler-dealer? Fuck off! I’m a Football Manager.”
King Eric
Morning pal, touche about our game v Bayern in 99! Without my red specs on I can clearly see the resemblance!
Morning all
Really pumped up for today and feeling quite optimistic…. Come ON UNITED
With his current form hopefully Tony V will rip them to shreds and I also agree with KE, we should play two up top
today game is massive,i am bit nervous,we must take the 3 points,the result of shity-spurs wil good to us no matter the winer,even if spurs lose,
hope by the end of the day all of us will be celebrating,united the winners of the week,chelsea draw,liver lose,arsenal lose to us,spurs&shity draw
iced earth, is stone cold any relation?
While you wrestle with that, I commend your wish-list, and agree that our game is all that really matters. Three points at the Emirates is our target. Come on United!
Happy match-day CedarsDevil!
Just watched highlights of the Wolves v Villa game, terrific stuff and multiple club Keane with 2 great goals. No wonder why the PL is the best in the world.
Funny thing about that game is the first four goals were scored on minutes 11, 21, 31 & 51!
I think that the chances of 4 out of 5 goals occurring in such a manner are 1 in 500.
Cheers smartalex. I was wondering what happened to Redknapp’s taxes case. I expect him tobe cleared of all charges ahead of his employment as England manager. Mandaric put the money in that account without Harry knowing anything about it.
@KE
The Bale news was posted by the Daily Mirror. It was probably a figure to scare City away, but the notion that Bale is twice as good as Ronaldo (or even the fat retired Ronaldo for that matter) is laughable!
The Welbeck story on the other hand could see some twists and turns as long as an agreement doesn’t happen. I think it’s in our best interests to tie him down before Euro 2012. If he plays well there, he’ll attract clubs like Real even more and his wage demands won’t budge..
agree with you costas,we should tie him before euro,wellbek will be a great player in the nxt few years,if he is fit today he will score,2-3 win for us
Hi smartalex
Happy match day indeed, just under 6 hours till kick off…. Really looking forward to it
Welbeck & Rooney up top with Hernandez coming on and scoring a brace, I have missed his goal celebrations, they lighten up my heart.
I was at the Arsenal 5 2 United game featured in your rather interesting article and would like to make the following points: It was Arsenal’s last home game where perhaps they wanted to finish on a high despite a very poor season. It was played in a season where United finished 7th and Arsenal finished 13th so there was nothing on it for either Club. Given that it was an end of season game many players were perhaps already in ‘looking forward to their holidays’ mode. Certainly back in those days far fewer games were played flat out every week, especially so at the end of season where youngsters were often given a game or two in the first team (no league cup to let them play in). Arsenal had been erratic all season conceding loads and scoring quite a few. As I recall the game Danny Clapton scored a stunning goal running from the half way line down the wing before cutting inside. That certainly lifted the crowd and made the game a tad more special for Gooners. I don’t recall the game’s scoring sequence but do recall we scored late in the game so perhaps it was reasonably close till the end. I was only a young teenager at the time so less able to read a game than now . I thought at the time that Arsenal had played well but maybe on reflection it was just one of those games where one team wanted it far more than the other.
What if all the players start believing that the grass is greener on another field?
What if they all decline to renew or extend their contracts? What if the staff leave too?
What if everybody leaves?
What will we do? Oh dear, I’ve gone and upset myself again.
From here to every horizon, all appears so bleak.
Unless we win! Then I’ll know that everything is okay!
But … but … what if I’m wrong! Oh no … here we go again.
Woe is me.
Costas
Hello my Greek friend.
Regarding Welbeck, there may, just mat be some truth about his contract negotiations and if that is the case he deserves his pay rise. Silly money is paid out to footballers these days and in comparison he is on peanuts. Cannot see him going anywhere though, he is a Manchester lad and United through and through
looks like rio is really injured! if the news is confirmed scholes maybe will start.
Morning all
Started following Darren Can on twitter (as recommend by someone on ROM, forget who?) but tends to be pretty level headed with decent information. He tweeted yesterday “As expected, no worries on the Welbeck contract. No chance he will reject a deal. Not even a 1% chance” he also says Diouf is on his way to Hannover, loan deal with option to purchase.
Mike
You’re not on twatter too pal? Deary me, the world is coming to an end, and now Willie has joined up as well. Thank God for folk like King Eric and my self for keeping some sort of sanity….
On a serious note, I cannot see Welbeck going anywhere, proper RED he is. Sir Alex will sort it out, if there is anything to sort out in the first place.
Come ON UNITED
Hello RoM
Great article as usual by Sir Giles. Lyon-Zagreb tie was fixed. I feel Lyon being a french club and Platini being french is not taking action on Zagreb.
Eagerly waiting for the match. I feel spurs can take some points from city. They have players who can make city look like shit. Hope they get some points from city.
It will be an interesting game against goons. I really hope we get 3 points. It could be a great game.
Very disappointed that Kiko is not getting time For QPR. Warnock getting dismissed hasn’t helped kiko. I am not biased but Kiko is much better than DJ cambell and T.smith. He deserves to play. I feel Hughes is not interested in playing Kiko.
I have faith in Macheda. Like Sir alex says he is a natural goal scorer and It would be waste of talent if he doesn’t succeed at United.
“I jumped,” Nani is quoted as saying in the Daily Star on Sunday. “I jumped in that tackle. If I didn’t jump I might not be here to play. It was a very dangerous challenge. It was two feet. He didn’t touch me, it’s true – but sometimes you see very bad tackles on the legs and it’s just a yellow card. Or no card.”
Nani has been accused of being a diver:
“This is funny. I don’t know. The quality I have got makes people jealous. Of course the fans who say that are not Manchester United fans. They’re not the ones who like me. If I play against Spurs, Liverpool or Chelsea and someone gives me a tackle or pushes me I go down. But they will say he goes down easily. Yes, it’s not a foul. Of course, they will defend these players. That’s why they say I go down easily.”
“But if you ask my team-mates, the people who work with me, they know me. They don’t say I go down easily.”
Cedars
Haha. Just got an account a few weeks ago cos my mate who plays for Sale Sharks us on it and wanted to give him a bit of shit. Don’t really know how to use it properly and am currently following my mate, Rio and this darren can fella!
I agree with the earlier poster, what is the point of sending Kiko out on loan when he sits on the bench. He could do that at ours??
I believe that Nani is top notch, he does frustrate me at times with his final ball and does seem to have his off days, however he has scored some crackers for us and when on song he is class.
As for the tackles, fuck me, if the one by Mr Liverpool and Kompany are not deemed as dangerous then the rules should be changed.
Come on Luis, get stuck in today, such a pity that Clichy is no longer a gooner, he always ‘loved’ playing against you
Mikey – Don’t listen to old Cedric mate! He’s just jealous lol. Come on and join the party CedarsDevil!
Cedars – Well Nani had the most assists of all players in the PL in the year 2011. Can’t be that bad, eh?
Willie
Haha, not a chance pal. Will never cross over to the dark side, further more the site is too blue for my liking and I could never get to grips with them @ thingies! Never sure who the fuck is addressing who!
Cedars – I was the same lol. I’ll never join! Embrace the darkside Cedars!
Willie
Your convincing skills are crap, I would have sooner had a hot chick in bed by now! hahaha
You, Costas and Mike can take twatter and shove it pal….. Never gonna convince me
zelh
Ya he is a waste of space is our Nani, probably should have loaned him out to a League 1 team!
Cedars- You forgot about me on Twitter, I’m offended
. How are you, sir?
King Eric- Hello sir. Long time no speak. How are your kid and wife and you doing?
Mike, willie- Hello guys. What’re your names on twitter?
Cedars – Your jealous tendencies are funny lol. Dinosaur!
Bertie Mee said to Matt Busby
‘Have you heard of the North Bank, Highbury?’
‘No,’ said Matt, ‘You cockney twat,
But I’ve heard of the STRETFORD ENDERS!!’
Theboogeyman
I think I need a twitter tutorial. Don’t really know what I’m doing. Think my name is monkeykello.
theboogeyman
You as well young man? Its a tragedy!
I am well, great to see you here posting again
Hows it going lads. Come to the dark side Cedars. Join us!!! Its not all blue you can change the background to your twitter. Just ask Willie what my background is Champ19ns setting at OT!!!!
@ Sir Giles. Brilliant article, I actually read some stuff years ago on Enoch West. I’m also of the opinion perhaps players took bribes because they were paid poorly. Especially those who’s clubs were floating at mid-table obscurity. Money can be an evil thing, I still think match fixing is rife today. Perhaps not a PL level but somewhere round the world.
I said last week Rio would be lucky to play today if he had suffered concussion. People do not take that injury serious enough for me, think its just a knock on the head when medical science says otherwise. This stuff about Rio’s back going is a myth, found 2 sources reporting it. One Daily Fail and the other Goal.com. The Dandy and the Beano are more reliable publications to get team news from.
boogeyman – Hello pal? WRN99 is my handle.
Cedars – Wish we would have signed Downing, Arshavin or Walcott.
@ mikekelly12 – What do you need to know? Following you now on twitter.
Haven’t heard a peep out of Rio on twitter the last few days? Don’t know if that means anything….
Cedars- Twitter is awesome lol. You should join us there!
Mike- It really isn’t that hard!
NRD- Mate am I following you? What’s your handle?
TonyBee- Apparently it’s your birthday? Have a good one!
willie- Done, followed!
zelh
You missed out on Adam, what a gem.
Willie
Your handle? hahaha you forgot the @ sign….. Twatter toddlers the lot of you
@ Boogeyman mines @Rajman4Eva.
@ Cedars – For you insubordination I’m going to get #CedarsDevildinosaur trending on twitter!!!
@@@@@@@@@@@Cedars
That’s a given for us tweeters lol. Still love ya you big old dinosaur!
NRD
Hahaha, I would much rather follow someone in person and get the said person i.e. babe in my bed rather then do a follow them on the web…..freaks the lot of you hahaha
Where is King Eric? Bloody cornered here
we beat arsenal’s butts before countless we r gonna do it again
He’s on the ropes!
All twitter followers copy and paste this in your What’s happening box
Tried to get my mate to join twitter wasn’t having any of it #CedarsDevilDinosaur
I just RT your tweet lol. DinoDevil!
NRD
When I send or reply to a tweet I dont know if I’m doing it right. Tried to send a tweet to talkshite but dont think it went?
Cedars
Come on in you handsome devil, the waters lovely!!
@ MikeKelly12
1.Click on Home
2. On the right hand side at the top should be something saying Your tweets
3.Click on that
Then tell me if its sent or not. If not to send a tweet
1.click on the name e.g GNev2
2. Click on view full profile e.g @GNev2
3. Should be a box in light grey saying Tweet to @GNev2
4. Type away!
Piss off the lot of you………. King Eric, help! I am being taken to the cleaners by frigging twatters
Finally to reply – Click on the tweet in your timeline and there should be a reply button. Click on that and type away.
@ Cedars – Everyone loves a twat Cedars, even good looking women love twats!! I believe it was Kate Beckinsale who said “I’d rather eat pussy than sushi!”
As if thats a bad thing!!!
Cedars – I’m gonna bug ya till you join? My mate bugged me till I sold my soul lol. Mikes there already. James is half there…….he’s on FB. Come on!
@ Willie – Once we get Cedars to join our next mission is 2Pac. He can tweet from Jamaica!!!
Even having educational lessons on twatter now I see…. @ me @ them @ you @ Cedars! hahaha
NRD – Been a great laugh, pity King Eric was not around
NRD – That might be beyond us lol. We can try anyway!
Back to football matters! Big day for United. Really do fancy us to nick it. hopefully spuds will get a result at the wastelands.
Come over Cedars. Become a fellow twat.
For me the real crowning moment would be to get King Eric on twitter.
Indeed football matters, going to get some snacks and watch midnight Monday!!!! My team would be
Lindegaard, Rafa, Evans, Rio, Evra, Tony V Carrick, Jones, Nani, Rooney, Welbeck
Bench DDG, Smalling, Scholes, Giggs, Berba, Hernandez Park
http://www.eatsleepsport.com/manchester-united/fergie-poised-to-swoop-for-defender-1371104.html?#.TxwIem_9P3Q
Hmm…
Hope Spurs fulfill my expectations of them today.minimum point for sure.
Let Super Sunday begin! Laters RoM
I have a feeling that we will emulate City’s result today. Whatever that is.
Hey all… big day for united can’t wait for the game
Btw NRD I think welbeck is injured
NRD
Cheers pal, I’ll try it out. Sorry for delayed response, had to nip to sainsburys for some Yorkshire puds!
I’d hope Spurs beat Shitty weather they were top ,midtable or bottom. ‘Cos each and every one of us fuckin hate shitty. We fuckin hate shitty’
We are in a good position to beat the Goons today having the better team and better options for subs. Keep RVP out of the game and I don’t think they’ll score. Although I felt we should have taken the points last season but we threw it away. Every Utd game is a cup tie, look at the scousers yesterday they were awful but come next Sunday and they’ll be a different side, looking like title contenders.
Loved watching Eagles run rings round them, He’s an ex Red and he hates the scouse.
King Eric will disagree but I think modric is the answer he is absolute class
Oh each and everyone of us we fucking hate city we fucking hate city we fucking hate city…….
Each and everyone of us we fucking hate city we fucking hate city we fucking hate city…….
Giggs
Stop winding King Eric up, Modric’s not his cup of tea.
M19ke
Yorkshire Puddings from sainsburys, make your own yer lazy git only Egg ,milk and flour.
James
Not really a dab hand in the kitchen. Besides, everyone knows Aunt Bessies are best!!
It’s a top-of-the-table clash tonight between Arsenal and United, both teams running away from the rest of the league with the most players on their treatment tables.
Lebomanc
How you doing? Big day Indeed!!
Mikekelly12
Am good… Btw what does the number 12 in your name stand for?
lebomanc
wat r ur predictions for the game?
Lebomanc
Nothing exciting, just the date and month of my birth. James21 is far more intrigueing!!
Shark faced blue cunt!
55 minutes of ennui, 5 minutes of mayhem. That’s the Premier League for you.
this fucking match. great strike.
Fuck me. 1-0, went for a piss and it’s 2-2!!!
@MikeKelly12
No kidding. So that means this year’s pretty special for you!
I checked the calendar and 12-12-12 is a Wednesday. Could be a Champions League night. Gonna plan anything?
Didn’t see this coming. I actually ranted on Spurs after 2-0 and they scored on both occasions.
Lindegaard – Jones, Smalling, Evans, Evra – Valencia, Carrick, Giggs, Nani – Rooney, Welbeck
First Lescott, now Balotelli. I wonder what would happen if Rooney did something like this.
Not bad. Would sooner have seen rafael at RB with Jones in the middle and giggs on the bench.
Well if Fergie wanted to play 4-4-2 in this game, I didn’t think he was going to play Rafael at RB. So any hope of Jones playing in CM lied on Rio’s fitness…
Bit worried about that midfield tbh.
Bench: De Gea, Rafael, Fabio, Scholes, Park, Berbatov, Hernandez
Regarding the 2 incidents today, both guys could face a suspension if the referee hasn’t seen them right?
That’s the same line-up that won 3-2 at Wastelands, but with Evans in place of Rio.
Huge gust of wind just blown across the ethished – or was it savic breathin a huge sigh of relief!!!
Penalty won by someone who shouldn’t be on the pitch.
Well. A couple of things were made certain today. a) City have the refs in their back pocket. b) You can always bet your house on Spurs fucking up.
Shit Shitty looking good with these 3 points. FML.
Damn Defoe missing that sitter…
Expensive game for City that’l be Lescot and Balotelli getting retrospective bans.
@parryheid
Maybe in theory, but I wouldn’t count on it. If even one of them gets banned I’ll be shocked.
defoe is such a donkey and balotelli is a cunt. two things that are highlighted so emphatically with this game
fucken spurs. guaranteed to fuck up everytime.
Parryheid – like hell it will. Where was the retrospective ban when Toure slapped Mata in the face?
bloody hell for all the trouble he makes baloteli sure does make up for it for city big time all the time.
Fucking bastards!!!!
What wonderfully pathetic luck Shitty have had today.
Lescott should’ve been red-carded for the elbow check on Kaboul.
Balotelli should’ve been red-carded for the stomp on Parker.
Defoe misses by inches.
And then they get a penalty from King of all defenders.
I’m feeling nauseated right now…
Oh and good thing Howard Webb is a Man United fan….
Fucking Kaboul or whatever his name is. he should have let the ball roll out, waste a few seconds and keep possession!
We should now win or it will be difficult way back!!!!
and id be seriously surprised if baloteli gets a ban. not saying he shouldnt but the fa’l claim reasonable doubt.
Fucking King. I couldn’t believe it.
Well the Lescott and Baloteli incidents better be reviewed. It would have been reviewed if it was us for sure.
No excuses today. Arse are there for taking and we need to do it to keep it touch. I hope out boys make us proud today.
I know people hate Redknapp on here but he should go on a tirade in the post-match interview and every other interview he gives till Klingon and Bottojelly get banned. Both red card offences that. Also, sitter missed by Defoe. Lets go and win today then see what happens
What a frighteningly inexperienced defense we’ve got lined-up today.
Real easy run of games coming up for City now. I can’t wait for the ACON… oh wait a minute.
Spurs, Spurs, Spurs…. You will NEVER make it!
City were poor in the 2nd half. They were there for the taking. You might just have handed them the title today. Thank you. You are utter garbage. Useless shit of a team. Hope you lose all your “stars” and that ‘arry go on to “manage” Ingurrrrrrrrrrrrllllland in the summer.
Bale: Never involved in goals unless he scores them. And let’s face it, it’s not that many. Strachan, Kanchelskis, Hill, Olsen, Sharpe all of them were better goalscorers than you, AND giving crosses that made goals. I’m not going to mention Nani and his 18 assists last season (3x as many as Supersilva) or Giggs. Not to mention Ronaldo. That your name is uttered in the same breath as him is a JOKE! You are worth around £18m, that’s it.
Let’s give Arsene a bad time no.
The only way we’re gonna win today is if we outscore the Gunners on their home turf. We cannot get a 1-0 or 2-0 lead and think our defense will preserve that. Not being pessimistic, just preferring not to put any bets on that young defense.
@Costas
“City have the refs in their back pocket”
Ridiculous. That’s exactly what every ABU has been saying about us for the past 15 years. The truth is far simpler: they currently have a (much) better team than anybody else.
Huge pressure on us, now. Hope we don’t blow it. Or today might be the day the title was lost.
Arsenal are going with their speedsters to test our young defense. Smart move from Wenger.
Arsenal: Szczesny, Djourou, Mertesacker, Vermaelen, Koscielny, Rosicky, Song, Ramsey, Walcott, van Persie, Oxlade-Chamberlain. Subs: Almunia, Park, Squillaci, Arshavin, Benayoun, Miquel, Yennaris.
Man Utd: Lindegaard, Jones, Smalling, Evans, Evra, Valencia, Carrick, Giggs, Nani, Rooney, Welbeck. Subs: De Gea, Berbatov, Park, Hernandez, Fabio Da Silva, Rafael Da Silva, Scholes.
Referee: Mike Dean (Wirral)
Saad – it’s the same defence as we played in the 8-2 win.
@fred
Ah forgot we played the same defence last time.
Arsenal have put out a very strong line-up. Speed of walcott and ox is definitely gonna be an issue. I hope we manage to control them
Must win game now. 3 points or it looks worse than Defoe’s miss.
Defoe’s utter shiteness could have possibly cost two teams the title today – his own and us.
Who’d believe the last five minutes – Errr, Shitty score in “FergyTime” ! They are certainly riding their luck. Can that continue -THAT is the question.
I ma bit worried about fucking Mike Dean. I hope we do not give him an opportunity to harm us!
@Fred
It’s not the same Arsenal. Not the same venue. Not the same circumstances.
That game made me sick!
Saad – We’re still much better than them. They were beaten by Swansea and Fulham in their last two games. Why should we fear them?
I’ll take a 3-0 win, but hopefully it will be 5 or 6.
‘arry Redknapp won’t say much about the thuggery Spurs were subjected to today, just like he didn’t complain much after getting hosed by the refs away to chel$ki last season. He’s so desperate for that England job he’s scared to say anything that causes the FA any difficulty. Then they’ll go and mug him just like the city players and Howard Webb did today.
stream anyone?
Just seen the team,decent but still rather Rafael and Jones alongside Carrick and Giggs on bench.As for Lescot and Balotelli definate retrospective bans 4 for Balotelli as he has already had a ban so 1 extra tee hee.
We need the win lads. Come on Reds! United!
Surprised Smalling at right back over Raphael but looks like we have a strong team – per SAF “we have a job to do”. We should be ready !!
Watched City v Spurs – fucking commentators all raving about Spurs – truly amazed though how they are now calling for the FA to action on the Balotelli stamp. Deliberate no doubt. But not up to these second rate pundits to influence action. I hope they do Balotelli but the inquisition I’m watching now is just totally shit journalism.
Any way fuck Spurs, fuck City
Come on Reds
United 20/12 – 2012 (and maybe The Europa Cup)
@AntiScouser
Better team or not, they were still let off the hook twice today. Or were those not red card violations?
Fred
Except against Barcelona (whom I feared would beat us simply because they’re better than us), I’ve never feared United losing a game because of the opposition. I’ve always feared defeat because either of health of our squad or the circumstances of the occasion, etc.
It is clear tonight’s weakest link will be our defense. And that’s what I’m worried about. I got no worries about the other end. I think our front six will have a good go at them.
Could be the makings of an end-to-end game.
According to sky, Smalling is at CH.
Looking for a stream.Bloodzeed HD really just sky is on Rojadirecta.
http://atdhenet.tv/43024/watch-arsenal-vs-manchester-united
oh god not another injury
this has started rather well….NOT
Come on United!!
FFS. Jones crocked. We really didn’t need that.
http://www.livescorehunter.ro/streams/1/lshengland2.html
What happened to Jones guys? My stream decided not to work….
Jones turned ankle badly. Looks more like possible ligament issues rather than a break.
This takes the piss now it really does!!
Antiscouser. Nonsense. Much better team my arse. Lescott. Dzeko. Milner. Barry. Clichy. Nasri. Savic. Wouldn’t take any of those cunts. Aguero silva and Toure are their only players I rate. Oh and Kompany. Even saying that Aguero is hit and miss. Like Costas said its fuck all to do with that. That fucking cunt shouldn’t have been on pitch. Bet not as much fuss made like it would be had it been Rooney. A disgusting football club. Thatll teach Collymore to state pre match King is the best english defender of last few years. The bloke can’t even train.
Boogeyman. Very good thanks my friend. How are you?
C/mon Giggs, enuff with flicks. Make some proper passes.
The story so far just says how much they’ve grown in confidence since the 8-2 massacre. Waiting for the devils to kick in. Cmon United!
have I missed much……..
its all Gibson’s fault……
There was absolutely no reason for King to make that tackle, there was plenty of cover just stand the fucker up! Hey ho, 3 points blagged by the cunts again, we have to do our job now!!
Nani is gonna get an earful at half-time …..playing like prima donna……
TonyV needs a talking too as well
fucken oath! tony vee
NANI YOU BASTARD….MAKING ME LOOK A TOOL….
They heard you TonyB, at least AV, think Nani has a case of wax in the ears
RedRum…. do you think I can claim an assist?
we’re playing well.. if we keep persisting, we’ll put away more.
think evra and carrick and both having very good games
TonyB
If the dubious assist committee gives it, I’ll not protest.
TonyBee
Happy Birthday pal. Hope you get a decent present from the boys in about an hours time.
I just love Antonio Valencia. Not so much the goal. But the lad has been on fire in the last 2 months. He’s the reason we are turning on the style again.
Great performance by the team thus far. Solid at the back, commanding in midfield and dangerous going forward. If we keep our cool, we will win this.
Gutted about Jones. Hope the twist didn’t do any serious damage, but as always, I expect the worse.
Only one team in this game. If we stepped up the gear we’d bang 3 or 4 past them.
Dean always makes me nervous, but good game so far. SAF gambled by relying on the wings (as we tend to do these days) and that’s where the goal game from..Giggs left side cross, Valencia right side header. Just before half-time as well, so the lads will be pumped up going in.
Chamberlain is an obvious problem, and the left foot (or right sometimes) of RVP can put the cat amongst the pigeons. How does SAF and his staff play the 2nd half, continue to concede the center midfield and wreak havoc from the wings? Or take one winger off (probably Nani by evidence) and get Scholes to sit behind Carrick. Either way United have been strong here and have played with serious intent to chase $hitty to the wire.
Let the chess games begin!
And like I was telling Fred recently, another example of Dean’s bias against Rafael…
@King Eric
Where I come from mate, if a player scores the winning goal in a game where he should have been sent off, that’s a direct alteration of a match result. That’s what happened at the Etihad today. Spurs did bottle it, but it wasn’t City’s superiority that won out today.
I know many will say we are unlucky with injuries but Fuck are our players made of glass. Really soft way of getting injured. This has become the story of our season. The injuries that are happening to us are frustrating now. We would have thrashed every team if not for th e injuries to cleverley and other players in early part of season.
SAF needs to sort out these injuries.
We have played well in the first half and if we continue to play like this we will win this match.
But for Nani’s selfishness and at times stupidity, we would have had at least another goal.
@Ash
I agree in general that some of our players get injured far too easily. Like when Javier collapsed at Villa Park. Or when Tom got injured on his own at Goodison and he has yet to return. Jones’ was a bit more obvious. He twisted his ankle. Now the question is how serious it is.
BTW,
We now see the method in mancini’s card-waving madness. Disgrace yourself loudly enough and you get a get out of jail free card next match. Course Webb is the most easily neutered ref in the league. Can’t forget how all that ‘United’s favorite ref” wind-up ahead last season’s home cfc match and his total dereliction of duty in refusing stone-cold calls against chel$ki because we were so on top of the match at that point.
Should be at least 3 up – have to feel for Jones
Arse have just brought on “Son of Oddjob”
RVP has Torres moment. I’ll see that 50 mil…
RVP.> CUNT What a miss
Who’s the ref?
Who’s the ref?
what we are doing?kill the match arsenal are very weak,defoe is a cunt
Valencia really can’t use his left foot.
come on SAF….GET Scholes ON
Reports suggest Jones injury is just a twisted ankle so better news there.
Costas
Should be 8 weeks on the sidelines then eh?!
it s dangerous score line,one mistake or 2 could cost us the game
WTF are we playing at?
Could be 7-6
i really dont like the way we always slow the tempo in the second half
fuck off,weak up,kill this fucking match
arse look to have a goal coming. Can’t understand Rooney not imposing himself on this match. Damn that boy was born to make you imagine conspiracies.
Welbeck spurning the chances, but very good work ethic from the young striker.
FUCKS SAKE
Ah, well, it was about time.
what a shit team,what evans &lindgard are fuckind doing
shit, shit , shit
We were fucking napping. Welback is wasting chances
lindgard is a joke
Fucks Sake Nani’s gone off injured
Rafael off, probably held responsible for the goal. Hm.
Yeah Raffy…. you are a fucking defender,,,,,
we are playing for a draw right now
Stop being stingy and buy a midfield player…we need to kill games like these
fucking hell Lindy dont stop the game cos of that cunt………watch he’ll get up and play on
antiscouser – rafa is on a yellow remember. SAF probably worried he would get sent off
iced earth – your a dickhead
it s not rafeal mistake,the whole team are shoking me,fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
welbeckkkkkkkk
Oh Danny Boy! I forgive u for not diving now
FUCK YEAH WELBECK!!
Arshavin just got shaved by Valencia
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees gooooooooooooooooooal
Fucking get in.
get the fuck in ……….
Dean doesn’t have the character to make the call
come on Dean …send the cunt off ffs
What is this I hear about Welbeck wasting chances?hehe
Bruce Lee AND Odd Job on. Can Pussy Galore be far behind? Oh wait….Arshavin’s already on.
if that was Wazza …..Dean would have had the red ready and waiting….
Thank you Valencia
@United4ever- Welbeck might have spurned chances but Rooney has been appalling apart from his trademark passes wide to the winger.
@Ice earth- Gk got on tip on that ball, that was the best he was going to ever do with a clinical strike from RVP. Blame the defence for falling for the disguise pass.
Arsenal and their fans are a right bunch of wankers. I hate playing this mob.
lindgard?the new carool
dirty gooner bastards trying every fucking trick in the book
Arse lumping it into the box. Do tell
UTD UTD UTD. COME ON.
that’ll do
iced earth would you fuck up? lindegaard the new carroll.. give it a rest. and at least spell his name correctly if your going to have a dig at him
frustring match rooney jones nani could be out
Arene is going to get a huge rollicking from the Gooner faithful, his decision to take off Chamberlain and put on the hapless Arshavin has royally backfired. Good win for us- Go on you REDS!!
Arene is going to get a huge rollicking from the Gooner faithful, his decision to take off Chamberlain and put on the hapless Arshavin has royally backfired. Good win for us- Go on you REDS!!
Huge sigh of relief.
Could have gone either way. Still in the race, though. 
Gutty victory considering the gold-plated win Webb served up to city earlier.
If this game lasted 5 more minutes, then we would have lost half the team to injuries. This is utterly pathetic now and has little to do with bad luck. I am pleased like hell about the win, but we can’t keep chasing City like this.
@Mike
Don’t know mate. Never had a twisted ankle. I suspect 3-4 weeks? Depends on how quickly the swelling dies down.
Fucking Great three away points rock on United.
Excellent win considering the circumstances. The lads gave their all and deserved this win, unlike Shitey.
” I’d 8-2 be an Arsenal supporter. It’d make me 1-2 cry “
Don’t care what SAF’s transfer policy is, we simply have to get reinforcements for our defense. They’re dropping like flies.
Our squad of glass might just be able to muster together a 5 a-side team come the end of the season.
Parr, but today could have turned out a lot better. The trouble is City have an easy run now and we don’t.
Said Jones weren’t that bad of an injury, just a precaution. Oh and Arshavin is crap.
Cunt arsenal fans blaming arshavin coming on for losing..
yeah he played shit but they taking credit from our performance..
it was a well deserved win!!
matos
lindgard is weak gk,maybe carool are better than him,not because he is fuuny and speak good english he is good gk,and matos please speak with more respect,
Why do we have to do things the hard way? We could and should have been at least 3 goals up b the time they scored. I thought Arsenal was so poor, they were in the game only because we let them.
We need to wrap matches like this much more comfortably.
saad
totaly agree with you,now fergie should go for someone
iced earth
why would i “speak with respect” when you don’t? your a dickhead.
Xyth
Not today, man. Emirates is a tough place to go, we dont have a great record there, our boys were dropping like flies with this injury curse and no doubt some of the boys might have been a bit deflated about the result at Shitey. It was a good win acquired under tough circumstances. This will do a lot to boost our confidence for the games in the coming weeks.
James21
Where’d you hear the news about Jones?
We should highlight the performance and endurance of our captain, who’s been phenomenal. He runs up and down the pitch each game and gives his all and keeps himself solid as a rock. Thank God for Patrice Evra.
Blame on Rooney for their goal – poor pass in their end lead to the beakaway.
Baffled by Wellbeck – could have killed the game twice. Baffled by the decision to take off Raphael.
TV,Evans and Smalling MOTM – dead concerned about though about Nani. Jones just a twisted ankle but it looked like a bad one.
When do we get Ando/TC and Young back -ffs we need them now.
And Dean did us no favours at all.
COME ON REDS
United 20/12 – (and maybe The Europa Cup)
Heard Arse are in for Morrison – take him on an exchange for Oxlade Chamberlain that kid will be a player
torontored – im assuming rafael was taken off cause he was on a yellow card and arsenal were putting the pressure on. would have been risky to leave him on, considering our injury woes at the back.
iIced earth.
Your a havering sod.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLbOMb7F40k
New Arse fullback already on youtube
iced earth – we all know you’re sachu, dude. Give it up!
saad
It said it at half time on Sky Sports.
Thanks. Fantastic piece. I didn’t know this site had good writers.