Tevez vs Neville.
The sequence of events…
1. Neville respectfully gives his opinion on Tevez, claiming that he is a good player, but if the manager believes the financial demands are too much, then he will support him, given his excellent track record over the two and a bit decades.
“The manager over the years has made many decisions with regard to players coming and going – and he has almost always been proved correct,” said Neville. “Over a period of 20 years he may have got one or two wrong, and I think he has admitted that himself, but he knows exactly what he’s doing and he understands when a player’s time is up. I can’t disagree with his decision on Tevez. He was a good player for us but, if the financial demands are too big, then that’s just the way it goes. Other good players have left this club in the past, it’s not the first time it’s happened. We have the best manager in the world at putting teams together. He’s done it successfully for 20 years. There have not been many people who have questioned him over the years and been proved right.”
2. Carlos Tevez scores a penalty, celebrates heartily (after claiming he had too much respect for United and United fans to celebrate if he scored) then makes a gesture to Gary Neville to suggest he should up.
3. Gary Neville sticks his finger up at Carlos Tevez.
4. Carlos Tevez scores a tap-in, runs over to the dugout in front of Sir Alex Ferguson, the bench (including Gary Neville) and the directors, and cups his ears, in the same fashion to when he was a United player, had just scored against City, and was desperate for a new contract.
5. Carlos Tevez complains that it was Gary Neville’s lack of respect which forced him to behave in the manner he did after scoring.
“Gary was very disrespectful, which is out of character, but he didn’t know the whole story of why I left Manchester United and I believe I deserved his respect,” Tevez said. “For the second goal I ran to the touchline and cupped my ears and looked up to the part of the ground where the United directors were sitting, and also to Ferguson in the dugout, because I wanted them to know this was my response to them saying I was not worth the money. I wanted to do my talking on the pitch because that was the best way of responding to all these people, such as Neville, who were saying United were right to let me go.”
Essentially, Tevez is trying to defend his behaviour but his reasons for going against his word don’t make a lot of sense. Neville is entitled to support his manager’s decision without Tevez taking it so personally. Had Neville said Tevez was shit last season and he was glad he had gone, that would be disrespectful. Don’t forget, Tevez scored one goal for every SIX hours he spent on the field last season! As it is, Tevez comes across as someone who has well and truly spat their dummy out. The fact that it’s over nothing just adds to the stupidity of it all. Why does he give a fuck what Gary Neville says anyway?
Oh yeh, that’s right, because he can’t get United out of his system.
It makes you wonder what someone does to earn respect. Is it claim you want to spend the rest of your career at a club then leave for their local rivals? Is it to claim you won’t join bitter rivals Liverpool out of respect to the fans but then join bitter rivals City instead? Is it to claim you are making that move for any reason other than money? Is it to score goals against your former team then stand in front of the most successful manager in history with your ears cupped like a twat? Someone should let the Argie midget know respect is earned, and he lost all of ours a long time ago.
Whatever the press or FA want to say about it, I fully support the captain on this one. Tevez has behaved like a cock ever since he left us and it’s nice to see that Neville’s opinion of him upset him so much.
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Tevez is coming across as the cry baby in the playground. He’ll get a very warm welcome on Wednesday night in the return.
As s*** as Gaz has been on the field this season, I love him for the way he adores the club. He stands up for the club in the ways we’d like to think we would. Unbridled passion, and f**k anyone who thinks it’s out of place. It’s a rarity in football these days, and I love him for it.
Both showed lack of respect.
Neville will and should be punished for this.as a captain and senior member and role model what neville did was completely wrong
i understand why you are defending neville scott but that was shameful from him
The fact is Tevez just isn’t a very sharp person. From all of his statements to all his actions, he just comes across a few pennies short of a dollar
Im realy behind our captain.what fucking tevez deed is unrespect to d club and the manager.he will cry for it on wednerday.UNITED TILL I DIE.
I really love it how he goes on and on about how he “deserves” respect and how United fans should still support him and how he doesn’t deserve to get booed… Well you know what, fuck you, you fat, ugly, curly-haired piece of shit. You don’t demand respect, you earn it and you fucking lost all the little respect you had when you so “nicely” decided to join Shitty instead of Liverpool, you hypocritical judas cunt.
You spent 2 years at United for fuck’s sake, have you absolutely no fucking idea about the rivalry between the two teams that you still expect to be held in high regard when you fuck us over in their favor?
This idiot’s logic is truly beyond me, he must be fucking brain damaged…
Well, Tevez may be obsessed with United, but he still did what he was supposed to do. Score, and be an attacking threat. We payed 31 million for Berba, and still he never delivered. No doubt he’s talented, no doubt he’s got amazing touch and silky skill, but that’s not enough. He’s a striker, so strike. Score goals. He sets up lots of plays, and all, but he’s not up to the price tag. Not that it’s his fault, he never said he was worth that much.
The Rooney/Tevez partnership was an effective one, but the manager tried to gamble on a Rooney/Berba. For me, that’s a no up until now. You can say that statistically Berba is better, but that’s not what we see on the field.
We need will, we need players that grow under adversity, that are up for the game and never stop until it’s over. That’s a player Carlitos is, despite his erros and failures. We loved him for the strength he showed every game. Too bad, he was a cunt backed by Kia, the biggest twat of all.
We could maybe do better with a headless chicken, than with a legless one.
I hope Berba shut me up, and show us the player he was at Spurs or better. I hope we can manage to find good form and play like we know and supposed to.
I BELIEVE Fergie and United. C’Mon, make them see who’s the only team in Manchester.
Well. As if anyone was wondering if Tevez is as ugly on the inside as he is on the outside
Well said Scott..Agree with every single word !
My take on the latest round of justifications by him, and the confusing line between professionalism and love for the club.
http://wazzasaidso.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/an-explanation-from-the-man-in-the-form-of-his-life/
It would make my fucking year, no, decade, if that prick gets his face punched in with someone’s boot and Diouf scores two to put us into the final on Wednesday. Damn, that would be just too perfect…
hope u guys at Old Trafford fuck him over in the return leg
Dani, You are 100% spot on.
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I think we should not loose any more time or energy on the Argie twat.
He is not worth it. Lads should take care of him next Wednesday night on the pitch.
So he has hit a run of form and scored a few goals. So he scored 2 against united. If he was that prolific in front of goal why did we never see it when he was on the red side of Manchester?
Soon he will start playing shite again and city fans will revert to banging on about how he wasnt worth the money they paid for him, like they were doing at the start of the season.
Comparisons between him and Berba are pointless because the manager made his decision. Whether it was the right one or not, I think the jury is still out for a lot of people.
i hate tevez cunt very much but u dont expect such a thing from a veteran like neville.the fact is tevez is making more contribution in man city than what gary neville is doing at man utd this season.hope berba scores in the return leg and show tevez is nothing but a crap.
All this fuss over Nev sticking a finger up to Tevez. It’s not like he went in with a crazy tackle as Gallas did in the game last night. I’d hate to imagine if Rooney had done what Gallas did last night – people up in arms, 2 year bans being shouted about and a debate in the House of Commons would probably follow.
I hate that the general public have so much sympathy for Tevez – he’s a complete moron. I don’t know if he is genuinely a dickhead or if he is too thick to know what he’s saying half the time and is being led by Joorabchian, but if he was playing for United and behaving in this way towards another club having come from them he would be universally despised. But somehow people love him. I should be used to double standards by now but it still baffles the shit out of me!
..i ope the guys @ OT silence him nxt wk,.thats the only way 2 make sure he sees reality,.hes just an ugly argie twat…i av hated Tevez ever since he went 2 city,ever since he disrespected Fergie,n now he has disrespected our captain!..
what’ll interest me, is the first time the dirtbag gets left out of the team for ‘tactical’ reasons now he thinks he the greatest goalscorer since batistuta. He sulked like a fucker when he were dropped last year and you know he’ll do same when shitty drop him. Then you’ll be able to listen to the city fans saying how bad he is again.
Tevez is comedy waiting to happen!!
He scores a few tap-ins and believes he is the best in the world…..what a joke. He was and never will be worth £25 million, yet the tabloids, shitty players and stupid commentators believe the hype that we never stumped up the cash for the useless cunt. Things have not changed, people forget he cannot do what Berbatov can, Fergie has just struggled to fit Berbatov in this system playing with Rooney up top. Fergie says Rooney and Owen are too similar but I completely disagree, Rooney and Berbatov are too similar as they both like to drop deep and influence the play.
If fergie wants to play Berba and Rooney together he must drop Rooney to the left and relieve him of defensive duties ( free role if you wish to call it that) and then play Berbatov and Owen/Diouf up top.
Rooney is most effective running at players and taking them on, we saw in the last twenty minutes at how he ran the show when he was made to drop off. He is our star player and our most creative, but his finishing does leave alot to desire especially one on one with the keeper.
Rooney’s goalscoring may suffer in the long run but he does get frustrated when he is not involved in the play and tends to drop deep to create the play which hurts our striking prowess in the box.
Players like Messi, C.Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rooney are most effective when running and taking players on, but they lose that effectiveness when playing uptop especially if they dont get much service.
I just realised I went wayyyy offf topic…lol. But i think i got my point across. Rooney back to the left and Berbs and Roonster will shine. Come on Fergie make me assistant manager!!
So the message here is what? No one is allowed to say THEIR OWN OPINION whether Tevez is worth 26 million or not? And Gaz did it quite respectfully. Does Carlos Tevez realise what Berbatov has heard from rivals, rags and even our own fans about his transfer fee? I am not debating whether they are correct or not, the fact is that critisism will always be there. Didn’t Kia teach Tevez at least that while he was pimping him?
Anyway, about the incidents themselves. I will accept a possible suspension for Nev under 2 conditions:
1) Tevez also gets suspended for provoking Neville and the entire Man United bench.
2) From now on, every single player who sticks a middle finger(I didn’t realise that Gaz was the first to have ever done that!), during a game will get a similar punishment.
So lets not make this out more than what it is. Neville didn’t act as a mature captain, but neither did Terry in the Ch.League final(when he spat at Tevez) and Fabregas last year(when he spat at the Hull assistant coach).
Oh and something else. Ryan Giggs also stated that Fergie was right about Tevez. So, since he “disrespected” Tevez, lets see what he does on Wednesday.
This is a pointless debate. The best way to get back would be to win comprehensively at Old Trafford.
Costas – capitans don’t do it in public
And only real capitans like Terry have the right to be forgiven when their actions were accidentaly filmed on the camera.
Costas – Between Giggsy and Tevez was all smiles on Tuesday.
I will be dispalying my feelings towards Tevez on Wednesday night- and im sure the Stretford end will join me. If he thinks he got a hard time in the derby- just wait till next week!
Stough like this used to wind me up, but not anymore. I couldn’t of cared less how Tevez celebrated his goal. Footballers are generally a bunch of cry babies, and this is handbags at best. Childish stough all together
@Corea
I saw that. But Giggs made those comments after the game, so it will be interesting to see what happens at OT.
I am not sure I understand the Terry thing. Captains don’t do that at all. But even if they do, no one should be forgiven, no matter how good they perform. In my eyes, Neville is more of a real captain than Terry, even if he can’t perform on the pitch as one anymore.
we need a player like keano to end his career he deserves it
Both are showing a lack fo calss. But hell, it’s a man’s game. why does everything have to be “classy” For the first time in a LONG time, people are buzzing about a United match long before the fact. Sleepy OT my arse – it’s going to be CL Semi final ELECTRIC !
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Tevez is thick. That’s the only conclusion I can make. I am disappointed he felt he had to celebrate like a twat after miss interpreting what Nev said, but I’m not surprised. I can’t blame Neville for giving him the finger but I wish he hadn’t. It would have been better not to rise to it, and just stuff them at OT.
Apparently, Tevez’s celebration for the second was motivated by that of fellow Argentine Riquelme’s own ear-cupping celebration, itself inspired by a famous character on children’s television show in Argentina.
The fact that he ran around the goal and made a beeline for the dugout was coincidental.
Twat.
I’m getting a little worried about this obsession with Tevez.He was a good player for us, he helped us win 5 trophies in his time, including the Champions Lge. He’s part of our history, and I would have liked to remember some of his goals with pleasure (late equalizer at White Hart Lane, cracker at Fulham, etc) although I admit his own behaviour slowly leeched all that pride in him away. I began to despise him long before he joined the bitters, and by the time he’d gone I felt indifferent towards him. However, now he’s got into a streak of good form, and there’s no point in denying it, he’s hot right now, I do begin to wonder if I was wrong, maybe he’s a better player than I thought at the time. Maybe Fergie got it wrong too, as has happened before.What I’m sure about is that the pre-match verbals directed at Tevez were very ill-advised. However politely put they were clearly intended as put-downs, and perceived in those terms by Tevez himself, as you could see from his frenetic display.Then Gary Nev’s finger gesture was an absolute shocker, not for what it was in itself but because it showed such childish indiscipline. He’s the club captain, he should be the one keeping a cool head (especially if he wants to be a coach or manager in future). Right now United should do everything to calm things down, not inflame them, on and off the pitch. Reports of golf balls and darts being taken into Eastlands by United fans as weapons are shocking, but, sadly, not entirely out of keeping with some of the things being said in the last 48 hours on this site and elsewhere. I hope it’s just sounding-off adolescent rhetoric, but sometimes I get quite disturbed by all the foul-mouthed talk of breaking legs and other violent expressions here, some with an unpleasant tinge of racism. If United are about to be overtaken by City – and , let’s admit it, that MAY happen – I hope Red fans react with dignity, not descend into barbarism. There were warning signs at Barnsley a few weeks ago when United supporters disgraced the good name of the club by trashing facilities and trapping terrified young women behind barricaded doors. Shockingly, there were some on this site then who defended that outrage, although thankfully wiser voices soon spoke up at the time.If we cope with decline so badly that supporters behave like fascistic thugs it’s a very sad day. Let’s hope there are NO weapons taken into Old Trafford. All the Red bile directed at Tevez has predictably taken the attention away from just how graceless he has been since his move. It’s just stupid to end up looking worse than him. Let’s see a great Old Trafford night, not with hatred and bitterness at Tevez, but with deafening support for the boys in Red. Let’s see the bitters intimidated , not by threats of violence but by tidal waves of support for a superior team.
Will the argie troll ever shut up? Its getting old and boring. He’s a bitter blue but he talks more about us than he does them. The orc is pathetic and clearly obsessed with United. Does anyone think that tevez looks like a morlock from the original Time Machine movie?
Excuse me, Neville stuck his finger up, in Manchester of all places, I mean what is the world coming to. I once saw someone eating in the street, the world I tell you has gone to the dogs….
I mean if he had stuck his finger up Tevezs missuses dirty slum bunny pussy and found a dead rat then I’d understand, you can get rabbies from vermin. But giving someone the bird is a gesture of affection. You tell me whats worse Gary Neville giving Tevez the bird or Tevez fullstop.
I’ve a pain in my hole with people turning everything into “yeah but berbatovs shit” sheer annoying asreholes. The way I see this is if anyone disrespected my father or a father figure to the hights that sir Alex is to the red nev the Carlos twattin tevez got off lightly with one finger in the air. I would have punched his frickin head in. That’s why I’d be worried about Eric the King having a job on uniteds bench.
Giles my friend that was a great read and I too am 15 months upset with tevez but I’m not jumping on the ,as jonny Giles said, sir alexs biggest mistake. Manucho is scoring for fun this season and then there’s the rossi one. But I don’t regrete them leaving .
Hi GHTT, good to see you in fine form. I don’t want to make a big thing about Fergie and whether it was a mistake not to ‘sign him up’, but I do think an awful lot of all this bitterness stems from the fear that Fergie did get it wrong. Personally I’m still not bothered about him going, and I’m certainly not one to criticise Berba, who I’ve praised endlessly, but either way, all this focussing on Tevez only boosts him up, and that ain’t good for United right now. Just ignore him – that’s how to deal with him.
@Giles
Very well stated. Agree completely with you, as irritated as I was watching him score, we should not sink to the level of acting like barbarians when it comes to city or anyone else. We have a history that most clubs would dream of, and need to use that as our motivation and show our excellence.
I hope that the fans at OT are alive for the second leg and make sure their voices are heard.
@Giles Oakley
Honestly, I don’t think you should be concerned with the Old Trafford crowd next Wednesday. For one thing, the internet is a different kind of platform where one feels the need to express their most angry thoughts. I have only been to Old Trafford once in my life, but living in a country where crowd trouble in footie games comes on a regular basis, I have to say that English football crowds are miles ahead in terms of civility. The worst thing that can happen to Carlos is to get loudly booed, like he did back in September. I am aware of the incident at Barnsley, and I was shocked to say the least. I hope it was just a rare case of football fans getting our of hand and we won’t see similar scenes again.
As far as Tevez the player goes, he has been in red hot form, but so was Diego Forlan after he left United. Fergie isn’t perfect by any means, but what if he felt that Tevez’s had given his maximum for us? I think it’s natural for Tevez (and this goes for Berbatov too) to score more goals for a lesser club, because he is the focus of their attacking game. He even has a better record now that Adebayor is missing.
Fantastic post Giles. I agree in every way and hope more behave in the way you have suggested. Tevez is not a bad player and I wanted him to get signed up at the end of the season. We tried, he didn’t want it (for whatever reason money or “disrespect”) but he didn’t take the contract. He choose to leave and no one forced him out. He is behaving like an immature child. That would have come out as some have suggested had Neville not stooped lower. Footballers are children and some need that extra motivation to get going. I understand why Neville did it because I would have wanted to do it as well but what good does it do?
On the fans I realize it is frustrating times at United with the debt and the sub-par performances as of late but we as fans do need to show our true metal. We can’t fold under this new pressure simply because it is bad times. We can not act like thugs that we openly dispise on these sites. Munich chants are equal to brining darts and other weapons into the stadium. There is only one reason for doing that and it is harm another human being. To me the chants, however bad they are, are nothing in comparison to the intent to do harm. Unforgivable acts in my opinion.
As fans are we to crumble under the pressure or do we continue to support our players and our club? I hope Old Trafford is at its best next week and United can go on into the final on the backs of the greatest fan display at OT. It has been a long time (since Barca in 2008) that OT has been the fortress i remember it being. Lets get behind our lads and give them the extra bit of motivation a 12th man can bring. COME ON UNITED!!!!!!!!!
Giles Oakley – I cant stand tevez hate the bastard but I think fergie made a huge mistake signing berbatov and not buying tevez because tevez has proved he is the much better player, because 25 million what is that in todays market. take into account anderson nani hargreaves berbatov have cost in total tevez is peanuts in comparisment especally if you compared hargreaves price with tevez.
2 things here
Cant understand why the berbatov vs tevez comparision comes up every time.Both are different and have their own strong points. Berbatov is currently a United player so it is better if we back him rather than keeping on slagging when he has been pretty ok this season.There have been players far worse than him.
Secondly i agree with some here that we SHOULD have signed Tevez.The main factor favouring him was that he was only 25 and was ready to sign a 5 year deal with us and also was not demanding too much money.Saying that we must also remember that we DID OFFER him a deal which he rejected. If he wanted to prove he deserved more starts he should have stayed and proved himself to be better than Berbatov for a starting place. he also would have got more chances because we had agreed to sell Ronaldo then.
but out of principle I am glad united did not sign tevez because he is tthe most classless TWAT I have seen since john ferry and collymore
I see the whole situation like this: at the end of last season we simply couldn’t afford to buy him, the impatient troll and his puppet-master started making a fuss of it, crying and whining to the press and looking for a new buyer. And then Real Madrid came in with 80 million for Ronaldo. Fergie bit their hands off and, finally being able to afford it, as I remember, made an offer for Tevez basically the next day. But by that time the Shitty move was already pretty much a done deal… So there we go.
Did Fergie make a mistake by not signing him up a couple of months sooner? I don’t think so, he’s perfectly aware of our financial situation and he didn’t want to make it even worse by spending pretty much his whole transfer budget (if not more) on one player. At that point he couldn’t possibly have known that Real would make an offer for Ronaldo, and even if he did he could never have predicted the ridiculously high amount that was offered. Once he got the money he put in a bid straight away but the train had left the station…
I remember Scott posted the financial figures from last year a week of so ago that showed we had made a (iirc) 30-something million profit. Now think about it, if Ronaldo had stayed and we had tied Tevez down where would that put us financially (obviously we wouldn’t have gotten Valencia though)?
30m – 80 – 30 (+ 20) = a loss of roughly 60 million with which our debt would have risen close to 800 million.
So again, did Fergie make a mistake in not signing Tevez? Definitely not, he acted in the interest of the club, as he always does.
So as I see it we again only have those fat redneck pricks to blame for what’s happening right now…
GLAZERS OUT!
aig alex is god – they compare the two is because many say tevez was not worth it because he did not score many goals, which in my eyes is very ironic and double standard from many people when united payed 32 million for berbatov whos scoring rate is worser than tevez, and he is not performing or taking games by the scruf of the neck. add the fact he would have been 7 million cheaper other than that I wish united never had either really because neither tevez or berbatov are good enough for united.
@Vass
Yeah, some interesting “what if”s there. We also have to wonder if the signing of Tevez would have meant United not going after Valencia(who knows how many funds were available). Honestly, I think we needed a winger more than a striker.
Kevin Philips scored 30 goals one season, that doesn’t make him a world beater and nor does it make Tevez one. He is on a very lucky run, which is our misfortune but we will be proved right in the end, he simply isn’t good enough to be a United starter.
Costas – thats not saying much, no offence to valencia but when united are up against it and we are needing game changing moments valencia falls short of that. because in every united defeat we have failed to come back and score mostly
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Berbatov wasnt worth 31 million. It was the way in which we conducted the transfer that made us pay that much money for him.It was not his fault that we had to pay that much money for him
Both Tevez and Berbatov were/are good enough for United. If SAF thinks a player is good enough i dont care what anyone else says. Whether the player will succeed or no depends on the confidence in his ability. That is what Berbatov lacks and someone like Ronaldo has and had when he was at United
It’s a wonder he even trains as he always seems to be giving interviews about Manchester United maybe when we decided not to extend his loan deal we could have given him a job on MUTV
@rooney the new king
I know Valencia is 24, but I think that he is under development with us. He could be a very different player in 2-3 years time.
The real question, is what other choices where there? Aguero? He is good, but we didn’t have the money for him. If we bought Tevez and had no money for a winger, then we would have to go through the season with Nani, Park and Obertan as our alternate right wingers. I think Valencia was a good choice given the circumstances.
I hear what you are saying about our defeats. Up until the City defeat, we were goalless in all our defeats. But even on Tuesday, the problem was the same. We couldn’t turn the game around, something that has to do with the shortage of matchwinners we have this season. If we are going to accomplish anything this season, out best plan should be not to concede.
now I want to see how Evra reacts to this incident
Neville is an absoulute legend at this club, he really does love United and I really respect him for that, so some fans on here should show some respect to his performances this season, he hasnt been that bad he just isnt up to his usual very high standards because he’s getting on abit now. cut the man some slack, he’s been one of our most consistant players we’ve ever had at this club.
And if he gets fined its fucking ridiculous, nobody in the stadium saw it, nobody on the tv saw it, and you can hardly see it even on the picture.
tevez is money grabbing cry baby, nothing more nothing less. United were right to let him go, he’s a good player but he didnt score enough goals and wasnt worth spending that much money on and he caused disruption by talking about Sir Alex. His celebration just shows he’s really bitter about being let go so he’s definatly at the right club now.
aig alex is god – players have either got it or have not, well united should not even have gone ahead with the berbatov transfer when fergies new model since 2007 is players who can adapt to different systems and are flexible, berbatov is just not flexible enough and he has proven he is just way to inconsistant to be playing for united.
ronaldo and tevez with their behavior add the glazers have tainted uniteds recent success, can someone tell me who watches the DVDS of uniteds success of the past phew seasons because I cant.
and also can someone tell me why in the hell did united even deal with tevez and their people, because to this day I am still baffled why they even got involved with such corrupt representitives of tevez and the vile person himself in tevez, it will always baffle me when for me there were better players out there in the summer of 2007, he has been nothing but trouble since they came to west ham.
Scott.
Almost 90% of what you are writting since last season is about tevez and you claimed that he is preoccupied with united. Why don’t you write about something else. I was disappointed with his behavious at the end of last season but no doubt he is better than “your great berbatov.’
Costas – well say united signed tevez in the summer of 2008 instead of going ahead with berbatov we would have payed about 20 million because united already payed about 5 million when he first arrived at united, thats about 12 million saved because berbatov cost much more, obvious united would have payed cash for some other players so when you narrow it down it would not have made much of a difference.
- even though I hate to say this which kills me to say, what we have learned is a settled and happy tevez even though I dont think he is not very good can be dangerous, but when people ad I have thought about this for the past phew minutes when we really have a think about it with what is out there for the past phew years he was propably the best we could have gotten.
think about it is berbatov benzama aguero huntelaar are these forwards that much better than tevez if we are going about value age.
“now I want to see how Evra reacts to this incident”
LOL. Anyway, most of the players meet each other when they play for their national sides. Drogba is also Evra’s good friend can you imagine ? )
Players don’t hate each other. Maybe fortunately, maybe not. But there is not much you can do about it.
Giles Oakley – welcome to the internet
Off topic,but talking about the upcoming atmosphere at OT,have we sold all our tickets for the return leg?
@dani : I couldn’t agree more, you summarized everything that i want to say…
I really hope all players start to deliver and do what they’re supposed to do!!!
Slightly off topic: having seen a Sky re-run of our win at Portsmouth, the referee that day was Mike Dean, the man from Merseyside who awarded a penalty against us for an offence that no-one else saw and baffled the entire crowd as well as every TV pundit.
Then look what Mike Dean, the man from Merseyside, did on Tuesday? He alone spotted a offence in the penalty area that no-one else in the crowd saw, nor anyone on television. Not just that, he alone saw Bellamy’s sliced cross deflecting off Rafael for the corner that gave City their winner (and we can’t defend corners at the moment).
Coincidence or what?
Now, I don’t want to sound paranoid or anything, but has anyone in authority looked at these incidents in the round? At Pompey it didn’t hurt us too much, but in the Badlands on Tuesday the referee’s wrong decisions (not just my opinion, but all the commentators and experts including Graham Poll) cost us the game.
I’ve a theory that ever since Fergie’s rant at Alan Wiley (who, incidentally, missed the Gallas horror challenge at Arsenal last night and, to me, looked a little lacking in focus), match officials, probably subconsciously, have got it in for United. Some of the decisions against us since the Sunderland have been ridiculous (think Fletch v Birmingham and the ‘missed’ Stephen Carr handball in that game).
If decisions even themselves out over the course of a season, we’re in for a helluva run-in!
just give them a lesson on football on 27th and that argie twat will keep his ugly mouth shout- and SAF -no more midgets, argies and disrespectful caracters, pls
@rooney the new king
The summer of 2008 is a different story. We let Saha leave, so we were coernered in a way. If we were going to sign Tevez, that obviously meant no Berbatov and probably no other striker. Wasn’t it a risky to go through a demanding season like the last one with just 2 strikers(Rooney and Tevez)? Was there someone other than Berbatov available at the time?
I honestly can’t compare the strikers you mention. I haven’t seen some of them in action I am ashamed to admit. But i am of the opinion that we can only compare them when they play in the same league. Would Tevez be a hit in Spain for example?
rtnk
berbatov can play as striker or playmaker. He lacks confidence . Once he tells himself i can do it, he will because the class is there to be seen
I have watched the dvd of 07-08 atleast 20 times. I respect them for what they did on the field for United and Ronaldo and tevez were 2 of our best players in 07-08. Their behaviour off the field should in no way belittle the part they played in United’s 2nd most successful season ever.
tevez did well at West Ham and was a very hardworking player and still is.Most of the fans loved him to bits till jan 2009 including me. His head was turned after that by someone that caused him to behave this way.
Corea – I was angry how giggs was smiling and talking to tevez, garry maybe aging but for me gary neville represents the passion the fire the heart and emotion of what united and its die hard fans represents, there truly is ony one gary neville and he is the only one that will despise players who have disrespected the club. I wont be suprised after gary neville retires if he helps the fans fight against the glazers.
anyone knows what Rooney told the twat seconds before he gave as a penalty-undeserved- goal???Roo was trying to confuse him ot make him angry,but…
MKRed – i honestly can’t blame our failings on referees. But some of them were plane awful. Good mention, mate.
boohoo crybaby. Scott, I’m sorry, but you’re really talking up too much of what Tevez does these days. You’re obviously bitter and dispapointed he left. WE GET IT. I miss him. We miss his industry and pace. The energy he brings to the field is very impressive. We could’ve used a spark like him against city.
Yes, he’s a twat in the media, but was a decent player for us. I don’t know why this site needs to be constantly slagging him off.
Neville himself has said and done some some pretty ridiculous things.
Rooney was unreal again against City. He was the only bright spot on the night. In the last ten minutes he pretty much destroyed the entire City team. I love his energy and enthusiasm. In frustrating games he just seems to say “fuck it, I’ll do this shit on my own if I have to” and he does. Let’s hope to hell he never gets injured EVER
@lidija
I found this article about Rooney and Tevez before the penalty. I don’t know how accurate it is:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1244858/So-Wayne-Rooney-did-say-The-secrets-Carlos-Tevez-penalty-Manchesters-dramatic-derby.html?ITO=1490
Costas – actually united would have 3 strikers ronaldo rooney tevez because ronaldo is versitile. like the old saying goes dont fix what aint broke, yes its a little risky but the reality is long term it would propably be worth it, because lets face it berbatov has proven he is just doing very little in a unied shirt and united are just playing 1 upfront most games, even if we hate to say it united are a much better side when we have had 2 strikers like rooney and tevez settled like we done in that season. but I will say this time and time again tevez is not good enough for united nor is berbatov. but tevez fits much better into systems and the way united played
aig alex is god – actually rooney and ronaldo was our best attacking pair not tevez and ronaldo, remember that stat every time rooney played and started we never lost a game, whenever rooney started united had a far better balance and bite to uniteds attack.
Rtnk
the ‘holy trinity’ as they were called were extremely deadly becasue all of them were able to interchange positions and Ronaldo could make those late runs in the box. It also used to unsettle defenders with rooney, tevez and ronaldo all taking turns at playing up front and causing havoc in the opposition defence. All three were great together
@costas
:):)I;m not worried we’ll beat them at Old Trafford,and we’ll enjoy it to the max
thank you, it’s funny, but I think it was more then that
Point number 4 is far worse than anything Gary Neville said/done but there’s only one person being investigated by the FA!
I’m sure the FA will come to an amicable agreement and be fair throughout!
aig alex is god – like I said I hate to give tevez credit but tevez is far more flexible than berbatov tactically also and movement is a key factor to any succesful side tevez pulls defences and midfieldees out of position and it wears teams down.
- what also made that 3 such a brilliant patnership is united could play carrick anderson fletcher in a 3, and not needing another wide player because all 3 of ronaldo rooney tevez all had great movement and they could score from any angle ronaldo is a hybred striker cross forward.
- tactically valencia and berbatov do not give fergie enough flexibilty in attack when united play 433 to get the goals to win us these tight games, and thats what a lot of united fans dont want to face and admit that fact. berbatov just does not offer and is not invlved in tight games and he does no pressure or put defences on the back foot, valencia I can see offer flexibilty but I really feel a holy trinity of valencia rooney and aguero could offer united a new holy trinity that ronaldo rooney and tevez offered because rooney has got no one exciting to play along side.
@rooney the new king
I won’t say this because it’s Berbatov, but a turning point for last season was last January when he and Tevez carried the load in Rooney’s absence. We know that Rooney usually gets an injury that keeps him out for a few weeks, so imagine going through that period just with Tevez. Ronaldo can play as a striker, but last season he started scoring a lot after January. Last season wouldn’t have been as succesful with just 2 strikers (and a disgruntled Ronaldo) at the club. Just my feeling, in hindsight of course.
We would really do well with a roy keane or cantona now! I bet they will make sure tevez neva play the game again
Costas – to be honnest you are propably are right and you make an interesting point about ronaldo being very unhappy. and in my eyes ronaldo last season was uniteds most laziest player no doubt about it. I feel say ronaldo was happy staying at the club and he was commited to the club in summer 2008 just after the european cup success in moscow and we never had all these stroys in the papers, would fergie have gone out and bought a striker I dont think he would have he would have propably stuck with ronaldo rooney and tevez.
I fully support our captain Neville on this one. Tevez he behaved like mice or pig’s shit smell like his mother’s ass this teverz thing it’s just rubbish like my pair of shoes well done captain Neville we are behind you LEGEND captain Neville
Have not had time to read this yet or the comments but the cunt REALLY is bitter :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/21/carlos-tevez-gary-neville-boot-licker
“When the ball goes wide you get into the box, in a good position. The most important thing is holding the ball up, though, because if you can’t do that, it brings pressure on the team.
“You have to accept you’re not going to get as much of the ball as you would as the man playing off; you won’t get as many chances but it’s my second favourite position after playing off another striker. Out wide would be third choice.”
http://www.tribalfootball.com/rooney-prefers-lone-striker-role-wideman-589801
Of course we knew it, Wayne
Eh.
ive lost all respect i had for tevez after watching the city game in which he claimed he would never celebrate against us
King Eric – the TWAT called neville a weasel, is it me or is ronaldo seems to be the only player in terms of how much he is a high profle player that has left the club on good terms with the manager and the club in general.
@rooney the new king
I think you are right. If Ronaldo was committed to the club like Rooney, then we might have went through last season without Berbatov. It’s amazing that he managed 26 goals on a season where his head was at Madrid quite a few times.
At the end of the day though, the Glazers would have sold Ronaldo anyway. They wouldn’t be able to resist.
it just baffles me how united seem to be the only club when they get a player they seem alright, when they have left united they are such TWATS and how they disrespect the club and the manager does anyone find it strange why this happens, ronaldo seems to be the exception in almost every way.
@King Eric
Thanks for the link. Kia has fucked with Tevez’s head so much that I often wonder how many brain cells are left. Reading these comments, you would think that Neville insulted his mother or something. Sad bastard.
Well I don’t think becks acted like an idiot and said too many ridiculous things. RVN was upset but wasn’t out for blood. I think Tevez is different because of where he went to. If he was in Spain or Italy he would be a distant memory. He sadly is just down the road. I want to hear Evra’s and Park’s thoughts on their boy now.
Rooney was great but why is it that he explodes when he has to? Why can’t he play like that from the kick-off? That is what I do not get. He was a spectator for large parts of the game but all of the sudden takes control in the last 10 minutes plus stoppages. Why can’t he play with that intensity from whistle to whistle? Am I the only one who feels this way? Do not misunderstand me here. Rooney is by far our best player and for me the best in the world. He can do it all and a bag of chips but I can’t help feeling he only really turns it on when it is nearly to late. Maybe it is just me but thats how I saw it against City.
Costas – yea I think fergie did have big plans for tevez and ronaldo he did not have plans to buy berbatov I think it was a panick buy and we can tell its not working out because berbatov just does not fit into the systems united play.
- I think fergie was taken by suprise on how quickly ronaldo decided he wanted a fresh challenge in summer 2008 especially after winning the double and retaining the prem, look at when united played ronaldo rooney and berbatov in a 3 last season they never mixed well in a way ronaldo rooney and tevez did and it looked disjointed and thats the problem? berbatov is not very impressive in a fluent system and it limited fergies optons to play berbatov in systems like a 433 or 4231 system, beause his movement is very pridictable and its a help for teams stay in positions.
- ronaldos great 42 goal season I think decieved fergie that he would not get enough out of rooney and tevez the following season with ronaldos mood swings he wanted to move to madrid which was also a concern for fergie he lost the faith in the trio because ronaldo was unreliable last season.
to be honest and, no disrespect scott, it seems you can’t get over tevez just as tevez can’t get over united. why do we need to devote so many articles constantly berating tevez for being a cunt and a money-grabbing whore? by now, all of us know that about him. time to put this issue to bed and move on.
I just wish Gary was on the pitch – would have been more fun – take note SA for next week )
Gary Neville is a Hero. He stood by his Manager who he sees as a Father figure. He bleeds red and wears his heart on his sleeve. Not only a player but a lifelong fan of United. His passion and love for United is second to none something Teves will never understand. Teves pines for our club but saw fit to leave even when offered a contract. Money grabbing Whore.
Gary Neville He’s a red he hates Teves.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/mancity/7046544/Carlos-Tevez-weighed-down-by-silverware-won-while-at-Manchester-United.html
This is a good article on Tevez. Interesting read and interesting take. I think he speaks for most United fans.
Kevin – Yeah Jim is spot on. He has a column in red issue or United we Stand.
how much brain do you have to have OR NOT to be 4 years in England and not learn the language- you’re moron-brainless twat, I can’t believe it’s possible- I’ve never been in England and I’m doing this- I know I’m not correct all the times – but still- Tevez is brainless,headless chicken- and once and for all stop talking about him-he’s not worthed
fuck tevez. stupid argie twat. can we please not have anymore articles about him?
Let’s reboil Tevez’s head.
ANGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
I’m gonna be really controversial. Kinda devil’s advocate. Apologies in advance.
It just makes me laugh how we all slag Tevez off, but if it was the other way around (utd v his old club city) we would all back him up.
In fairness like Tevez has said before it is all banter. Neville is utd through and through, it’s why we love him and everyone else hates him. i imagine a lot of people hate him as much as I hate Bellamy or Savage. We shouldn’t be surprised when he get’s dicked on by others…
I truly think it’s 50-50 between faults. i think we treated him badly and he has shown he is a bit of a merc. But still let’s not just call him a ‘cunt’ without truly seeing both sides. it seems that utd is never wrong, when we know deep down i’m sure we are pretty cunty on many levels. I do also believe he said he wouldn’t celebrate, but changed his mind when we boo’d him at OT. Either way, i’m not saying i love the guy or anything, i just think we should see his side of it a bit more. He’s not from Manchester, he’s never supported the club as a kid.. what do we expect?
Plus re: his English, he’s already admitted he’s a thick twat (as most footballers).
The only thing that pisses me off is of the FA charge Nev and not him when he has admitted to a personal riposte to Nev during the game. Nev was only reacting to provocation.
Now i expect a bit of backash, but it’s how i see it. the best way forward is to stuff the cunts in the 2nd leg and THAT is how you get back at him.
Why the idiot tevez still thinking the pass?
he always wanna to show united respect and friendly with some united players?
what he trying to said?
He trying to said he love MU.
Fuxk off, MU doesnt need you.
This site makes me ashamed to be a United fan. Insulting someone’s wife and mother, insinuating that they are mentally inept because they cannot speak English – how bitter and pathetic.
The thing that makes me laugh the most is the majority of those slating Tevez’s language abilities seem to struggle with English themselves – imbeciles.
If you’s hate the guy so much then ignore him, so much repressed love here but I feel.
He did what was required of him when he was at the club and scored many important goals. Oh but that’s right – goldfish like memory spans and fickleness are the name of the game on this site.
I take it you lot all work at the club and goes on behind the scenes considering how much you seem to know and how and why he left? Nope? Didn’t think so.
Bootlickers!
I’m with you on Neville. Neville didn’t even say a bad thing about him. He just support the manager as he is experience for the past 20years. Tevez is the one with the small minded brain and had no respect for us. I’m with you on Neville. Many people slate Neville for his stick finger at Tevez but it’s tevez who started by doing nonsense and childish celebration. LOL
JD
Spot on re Gazza.
Spot on re Tevez.
I know which one I’d prefer to have in a red shirt AND ON THE FIELD just now.
If we’d had the ugly little tw*ts 13 goals in 11 games we’d be well on the way to Wembley rather than tottering on the fringe of getting there, we’d still be in the FAC and we’d be 5 points clear at the top of the Premier League and STILL the numpties slag him off as a FOOTBALLER.
Get real. He might be a poor man’s Rooney but he’s a site more use than anyone else we can put upfront and that includes Berbatov.
Nice post Snoopy.
Umm, what did it mean?