Around this time last season, Sir Alex Ferguson confirmed that we would be making Carlos Tevez’s loan deal permanent, and that we would get him on the cheap.
Tevez said the club was treating him well, meaning he was happy to stay for the next few years before returning to his beloved Boca Juniors. However, following the great success of his first season, Tevez has changed his tune, claiming he plans to stay here forever. Yet still no deal has materialised.
In July, there were reports claiming that United had signed Tevez for a new British transfer record of £32 million. But it appears that despite all the talking from David Gill and Ferguson, Tevez still doesn’t have any guarantee of a future with the club.
“We have spoken to Carlos and see him as part of our long-term squad,” Gill said during the summer. “But it’s not a problem. We can do it in September, October, November or December. Sir Alex Ferguson has explained it to him and he is very comfortable with it.”
However, this relaxed attitude is not something I think we can afford. We went down to the wire in securing the Dimitar Berbatov deal and I don’t see why we should take that kind of risk again. If we want to keep the player, and the player wants to stay, why do we have to wait until November or December to resolve it?
We have to remember that things aren’t the same as they were in the summer, as now Tevez has to fight off Berbatov for a first team place. He didn’t get a minute against Chelsea and was a second half substitute in our weekend’s victory over Blackburn. It wouldn’t be hard for another team to turn his head, pointing out our lack of commitment in not offering him a contract, and letting him know how much first team football he could be getting with another club.
For now though, Tevez seems eager to get a deal signed, which is something the club urgently need to act upon.
“Ever since I came here I have wanted to sign a permanent contract,” Tevez said. “I had a very happy first season and I would be very happy if the chairman would put a permanent contract in front of me. I would sign it without a doubt.”
So, what are we waiting for?
£32m for a sub does seem very expensive, maybe we are trying to neg the deal down somewhat.
I love the lad but the money is far, far too much money as he doesn’t play week in week out.
Thank you Scott.
Very important topic to be honest.I almost brust into tears last night when reading the Daily(shit)mail report…
The boy has been brilliant for us .Look at his contribution when he played against Blackburn,he created two (one on one) chances for both Ronaldo and wazza and then hit the post with a superb shot(though we’re leading by two goals)absolutely amazing player.
I really cant understand ,why we didnt tie him to a permanent deal
YET?????????
There is no rush – I have to agree with Gill. There is no point paying the cash and giving him an new improved contract in a mad rush. We can take our time and get everything right with all parties.
Unsurprisingly it was the Mirror who ran this silly story this morning, and no surprise it contained no quotes from anywhere.
I really wouldn’t worry about this
I have to agree with you Stephan, I think £32 million is far too much. I love the lad, think he’s quality and definitely want to keep him, but thats far too much. Id of thought he’d of cost in around the £20 million (and I do also think that we paid over the top for Berbatov). When I originally heard the ‘deal’ was for £32 million, I heard it also included his wages for the two years of the loan deal. Does anyone know if theres any truth in that???
Yes, lets be cool on this one, all the positives are from the quotes NOT the tabloids who as usual are only out to make a scoop so they sensationalize it.
It wouldn’t make sense for SAF to let Tevez leave when he has always stressed the importance of having four strikers available, and buying Berbatov was the final piece of the missing jigsaw.
stephen – tevez has been a sub recently, but to classify him as a sub overall is unfair. berb has gotten playing time being new, but to deny the impact and importance of tevez.. and generalize him as a “sub” is uninformed at best. his impact whether he walks out to start or comes off the bench has truly been invaluable since his arrival. you never ask “is tevez on the pitch” during a match.. he makes his presence known.
32 million on an impact player who was in the top goalscorers of last year and has a work rate that is rivaled by very few – easy choice in my book. we must make carlito permanent.. and soon, imo
Whether the money is to much is not really the issue as we have bought into the deal the moment he came to the club.
Think its more a case of the money men at OT keeping it in the bank until we have to spend it .Assurances must of already been given to Carlos or we would be hearing more rumblings of discontent from his camp .
All of us would like to see it sorted for his sake bench or pitch he is invaluable to us .
I would like him permanently but I don’t think he’s done himself much favours by saying he definitely wants to return to Boca Juniors before he gets too old.
i know this might shock some ppl in this country but im afraid i need to speak the truth. We are going to lose Carlos Tevez if we are not careful. Why he hasnt been playing before waynre rooney is beyond me. Tevez is a better player and i dont know what he has to do at united to prove this. Unfortunately most of us in the UK dont want to accept this and we still think rooney is the white pele. Its a shame for man united
what bollocks tevez is a top player but when rooney and tevez are both fit and in form its rooney, and by quite a margin.
only cos he is english mate. and thats a fact. no one outside of our country thinks that. I respect and understand your opinion and i know it will never change. But Rooney is an overrated player. He is a fighter yes and very determined but we will see at the end of his career that he will not fulfil what we all hoped he would. And thats the problem with us here. We always want to heap praise on everything that comes out of the UK hence the many disappointments which are evident in many sports over the last few years. We want to convince ourselves England has an incredible team but the fact is we dont fullstop. Im just being realistic
jsos, £32m for and impact player are you sure? He is a good player no doubt and really important last season, his heart and sole is in the club, but if he is not going to be a regualar starter then surely we can spent the money more wisely, or re neg? I am not bashing him at all, but to me the figures don’t stack.
A very good topic..and its an important topic too..Tevez is a fantastic player..he’s got an unfinished engine and always runs his socks off in each and every matches..i dont care how much United need to pay for him but I think it would be a foolish work if we let him go…i see some people saying £32 million is way too much..tbh i dont give a damn to it..because at the end of the year I dont get any percentage from United’s financial profit.. And its not us who are to be blamed for United’s huge debt…they do their own business.. If they can cough up the money needed then whats our problem in it?
I have to agree that the price tag is over-inflated. We’ve already paid £10m (?) for the two seasons on loan, so to pay another £32m seems extremely excessive.
However, let me give you a different angle – what if they know that Ronaldo will leave next summer? We may not be able to accomodate Tevez in the starting line-up at the moment, but that would change without doubt if Ronaldo weren’t around.
jamie, plenty people outside England rate Rooney. It’s you guys who keep saying he’s overrated.
Penguin, it does seem excessive but i repeat what i posted earlier that Fergies goal was to have four strikers available and that is what he now with the purchase of Berbatov! What is the point of selling him! his bigest problem ( and what a problem to have ) is keeping them all happy, but then he is the master of man management.
Just imagine, Tevez leaves in the new year and we get major injuries to say Rooney or Berbatov or both, that is the point! we need all four strikers, so for that reason i cannot believe Tevez will be allowed to leave.
Sorry Jamie, Im with the majority here, Rooney is above Tevez. Its only an opinion, as much as you are entitled to yours, but you’re being harsh on Rooney there. Granted, he hasnt quite got to the heights yet that we all hoped he would of reached by now (I do believe he will get there, despite being messed about a little by Fergie), but he is more important to the team (and the club) and has more ability than Tevez. Im not trying to knock Carlito, I think he’s class, but he doesnt compare. And like Oooodz says, Tevez wants to return home to Boca sooner or later.
jamie is right. Rooney is a top player but not as good as the English rate him. Tevez is the better player, Rooney just gets the benefit of the doubt because of his passport.
Before you neanderthals jump down my throat I repeat “Rooney is a top player” so don’t mid-interpret my comments.
Mj, why is Tevez a better player?, personally I don’t see it, their workrate is similar, finishing is similar, Rooney’s awareness on the ball is better and passing probably better, and I am not a neanderthal.They are both top players no doubt and have their faults, but to me Rooney is better, but only slightly.
Lets stop the who’s better banter. The facts are Tevez is CLASS..they guy really added sooooooooooooooooooooooooo much to our team last year. And scored in my opinion the vital goals ( rovers, spurs, lyon, roma etc) that pushed us on in both prem and clge wins. And on top of that…he has shown his commitment and love for the club in BUCKET LOADS……so fuckin what he wanted to go back home to boca in 5 years…that is understandable. And even then he retracted that and stated how much he loves utd, SAF and how evra is his best mate etc etc.
His die hard commitment…spirit…workrate and dying for our team make me adore him. Have we not forgotten Champions league final…drogba incident. Have we not forgotten the 100 kilometers he probs covered v barca at OT. Have we not forgotten…how he even went mad and celebrated the comm shield like it was the clge….because he felt it was another trophy for us.
And also in my opinion…the fans worship him. He is class..and his and rooney’s partnership was incredulous last year…that trimvarate of ron roo and tevo was awesome.
For me he is being hard done by by being dropped to the bench. When he hasnt done owt wrong and has been outstanding when he has played. To me he was in charge and in possession of the jersey. And berbs should have been on the bench, Upto the new player to win his place…not a performing player to drop out.
And i agree with scott….he is brilliant and if we re not careful…his head could be turned and we could miss out on him. WHICH WOULD BE A FUCKIN TRAVESTY. Sign him NOW……no matter how much. 4 strikers is ESSENTIAL. And you’re not going to get that kinda quality anywhere…as europe at present doesnt have many outstanding strikers.
Carlitos loves us….can fans not see that. And we bloody love him toooooooooooooo. SIGN HIM
Eh Mj, less of the ‘neanderthals’ remarks please, thats completely out of order. You dont know anything about me, or anyone else posting here, as we no nothing about you. If you have a point to make, go ahead and make it, but dont insult us cause we dont all agree with you. Leave that for the scouse shites and the blues…
suhayl, mate don’t get me wrong I agree on all your points, and agree it is a stupid debate on who is the better player. But we do spend too much sometimes on players, clubs hold us to ransom, my belief is that Carlito does not want to play for anyone else and we should use that to our advantage, maybe for the first time on a transfer negotiation we hold the upper hand?
guys im not from the uk. Im from gibraltar which is British but i am fortunately, due to my geographical location, able to see many other football people talking from places like spain (Julio Maldonado, who is one of the most respected and informed football person in the world hence his nickname – Maldini) and football people from all over south amaerica and the mediterranean including north africa. And im sorry guys they all talk about this topic time and time again. They all agree Tevez is better. Rooney misses many more chances and we forget that for Tevez first year he scored the amount of goal he did. He loses the ball less than rooney. Dont get me wrong rooney is a very very good player, but outside the uk i can guarantee you that most people think Tevez is better. Just look at what we keep on saying abour rooney and its being going on for years now. “We all know what he is capable of and his potential and he will eventually come good”. If we keep saying that its cos he isnt as good as we think. He just isnt the incredible player most people here think he is. And the sooner we accept that the better and less disappointed we shall be. Be honest and before Tevez had been dropped to the bench this year we MUST all agree Tevez was playing much better than Rooney. Again i respect ones opinion but all im saying is that i can confirm and guarantee that outside the uk he is not generally seen as he is in the uk. Which i also understandable
You’re right stephen..we do and have always paid over the odds. Berba, carrick, rio, maybe even rooney. But thats always going to happen seeing how big we are…and supposedly are the richest club and have ‘billlions’ to spend. Thats how clubs see it, hence try to scrimp every penny out of us.
I feel there isnt much we can do about it. Its just part and parcel of being manchester united. If we were a shitter smaller club we wouldnt be in the market for top players and hence wouldnt need to pay much for avergae joes. But seeing we are the best and biggest. I think thats just the way it is.
We cant have our cake and eat it too. If we want a top player..the other party will up the price by 5 mill for us atleast. thats what the rboys have found in recent years. clubs know they have monies so put an extra 5 mill icing on it. We found that with berba and carrick and rio.
And i agree tevo like berba isnt worth anything above 25. 22/ 23 mill for tevez is good. But what happens if we try to bargain start negotiating and procastinating. Kia jarrobchian….lets face it ala many clubs and people who represent players these days…will want every penny..will tout him and milk him to other clubs.
Look at robinho…1 min chelsea..next minute oh extra 3 mill…off to city.
I dont want that to happen to tevo..i love this guy….i wear his name and have 32 on my back. If we negotiate and pay a little bit extra then ok…..but we cant be fool hardy and say we will pay only 20 mill for example. Or else we will lose him
Agree haggle a bit…lower the asking price a bit….BUT not too much that we lose him.
One last thing though stephen…one apt point. You always remember fans always saying oh we paid too much for him and him. We got plenty of the with rio and carrick. But after a few years brilliant service commitment trophies class performances. Those same fans wont grumble anymore and will say blimey we cant remember the fee..” rios the best centre back in the world’ ‘ carrick is awesome’.
Berbas price will be forgotten too when he bangs in 20 + goals. And same for tevo if we sign him for a big fee.
5 years service..goals commitment etc etc etc etc…and i think transfer will be worth it. And nowadays also you have to pay the market prices..and they are high. I mean if robbie keane is worth 20 mill? darren bent 17 mill? david bentley mill? jo 19 mill? Etc etc. Carlitos not better and worth more than them by a few mill atleast?
Hope you agree mate…lol. Just my opinion
Tevez is better player cuz he is tech better, gets his temper in check better plus he has only played in the prem for 2 seasons only imagine when he`s on his fifth season like ronaldo.
RONALDO= £12M
ROONEY=28
RIO=29
BER=31
TEVEZ=PRICELESS
We will sign Tevez i have no doubt, its all about balancing books.. and financial years etc.
Plus dont forget, they are unsure of the AIG situation.
Its a fact.. not a good one, but we have to make the payments on the debt, but i am 100% sure that he will be a permanent fixture at united for many many years..
1. The united fans love his work ethic.
2. Hes a bloody good player (ok needs to work on his 50p heading technique but apart from that very explosive and very impactive)
3. He is proven so it isnt a real gamble.
4. United will not allow him to leave to go to a Rival.
5. Fergie has said that he wants 4 top strikers, and if you include CR7, then you have the 4 that he is on about.
He will sign definately, plus dont forget, like someone put earlier, they are probably trying to negotiate a few million off, coz they have paid a loan fee of £5 million estimated for the 2 season loan, so they prob trying to get that amount off the transfer fee.
Jamie
I suppose the Barca fans last year saying that Rooney was our most dangerous player were just doing it for the laugh? Don’t get me wrong, I would still prefer Tevez to be in our starting lineup but at the expense of Berbatov and not the second most productive player on our team (FACT!!!)
really? People in South America think that Tevez is better? Surely not
Gill already said his deal would be sorted out during the summer, so its just Daily Sh!te printing nonsense as usual. I really doubt we’ll lose him, however i do disagree with the fact that he is priceless. Tevez has not been starting because judging by what we’ve seen so far, Rooney-Berbatov is a lot more productive than Tevez-Berbatov.
jaime, i’m not english either, i’m australian. i dont care where they are from, it doesnt affect my judgment. and rooney is the superior player.
i’m from india . love both players but think wazza is better without any doubt . dont know what you’re on about jamie . tevez is great , rooney is greater . period!
suhayl, good points mate.
Have to disagree with Jaime as well. I’m Norwegian and the majority here agree that Rooney is the better player.
Myself I don’t care who’s better. I love that they both play for my club!
I hope we don’t sign him.