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ALLEZ LES BLEUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ Gooner77
If you want “healthy, balanced” comment I suggest you go and discuss the most recent production of La Boheme with the rest of the chaps from the rowing club. As we have been trying to tell you and the rest of the hunting set for the last two days, this is A MANCHESTER UNITED BLOG FOR MANCHESTER UNITED SUPPORTERS. Your selective version of revisionist history has no place here.
Are some of our comments biased? probably, but what would you expect from A MANCHESTER UNITED BLOG FOR MANCHESTER UNITED SUPPORTERS? But it’s interesting that you only seem to take exception to the comments made by United fans – you don’t seem to have any problems with the fallacies and half-truths being parroted by your stock-broker chums. Why is that?
“some of you people need to get a life. Spitting bile on an internet site can’t be good for you” Seeing as you have taken time out of your day to register and comment on A MANCHESTER UNITED BLOG FOR MANCHESTER UNITED SUPPORTERS, I would suggest that you are the one with too much time on his hands but maybe that’s just because the London Symphony Orchestra is on tour, right? Do they not teach irony at Eton?
Redbeard, for one I didn’t take any time to register on this board I just had to add my name. Secondly please point out exactly where I took exception to any comment made only by United fans? My question was that how has a match between Ireland and France which featuring a blatant cheating incident from an EX Arsenal player become an argument between Manchester United and Arsenal fans, the point I made was that the bile that has spewed out as result of it in the name of support for both clubs is pretty sad. You have to admit the image of someone steaming with fury behind their computer screen is a sad image right?
Revisionist history? Please enlighten me.
As for comments about Eton, Stock Broker Chums and the London Symphony Orchestra – well yeah I need something to with my time when I can’t catch up with my old boy network Tory friends and yes the orchestra is on tour and no rugger this week so I thought I’d watch the football.
Your prejudice is comical mate and your clearly one angry man.
I’ve come on this board several times in the past and engaged in good banter with decent Man Utd fans, who unlike you, realise that genuine fan rivalry should go on in and around the ground not by running your mouth off behind a computer screen.
@ Gooner77
I am not angry at all! I am just really really tired of reading all of this crap from you and your mates.
I still think the fact that you come to a Man United site and make posts about how people need to get a life means you are in far greater need of getting a life than the people you criticised. You asked “How the hell has this turned into a United Arsenal row?” The answer is simple – plastic, insecure Arsenal fans like you who are obsessed with what other people think of their club so they have to come to other clubs sites and spout their bollocks. This became a “row” because you lot won’t let anything lie.
Why do you think we want to hear your opinion?
“I’ve come on this board several times in the past and engaged in good banter with decent Man Utd fans, who unlike you, realise that genuine fan rivalry should go on in and around the ground ” So the fact that my hatred is permanent means I am not genuine? If you switch you rivalries on and off like a light switch then that only further proves my point that Arsenal have the most plastic fan base in football.
If I’m not supposed to run my mouth behind a computer screen that kinda invalidates this whole venture, doesn’t it?
Anyway, have fun at the polo!
To be fair Gooner77 is a decent poster. Talks alot of sense.
@ King Eric
Morning, mate.
You have to admit he also talks a lot of bollocks:
“when he did play for us he was almost a model pro”
Crap from me and my mates? If another Gooner posts on here it doesn’t make them my mate. I got no time for fools and have trouble resisting whenever I see nonsense being championed.
My point remains the same, this shouldn’t of been a row between Arsenal and Man Utd when neither team was involved in the incident in question. I have no problem admitting that Henry cheated in a disgusting manner, what a footballer, who used to play my club who earns stupid amounts of money, did whilst playing for his country is no reflection on myself or most other Arsenal fans. That’s the stupidity here.Basically your assumption is that if I don’t seeth with blind hatred at mention of Manchester United then I am a plastic fan? In reality the only way you speak to me like this is either behind a computer screen or in the more legitimate surroundings of an actual game. The nature of modern life means there must be a few Arsenal fans that you may come into contact with in your day to day life ( I know I come across plenty of United fans in London, some are even from Manchester) which means you either behave like bitter, twisted person you present on here or your bottle it all up and save it for ranting on the internet. Either way to get so bent out of shape over football suggests that something must be wrong.
Trust me there is no ‘insecurity’ about the support from my club, I’m a born and bred Londoner that is happy when my team does well and accepts it when we don’t win something. I am no plastic fan that demands my team win a trophy year in year out, it’s really simple. May I point out again that I did not join this discussion to defend Arsenal our my team, I joined it simply to illustrate the idiocy of many of the posters here Arsenal and United fans alike.
Why do I think you want to hear my opinion? Well your response suggests my opinion stirred something in you…so if you didn’t want to hear it then you could of ignored it.
David Beckham has just been booted out of the legends list of Manchester United, by backing Thierry THE CHEAT Henry after that handball.
As for all the cheat comments flying around, Gooners calling Rooney a cheat United fans calling whoever a cheat.
Some of you must of played football in your lives. Pretty much every coach of any team no matter what level will always tell their players to work the ref which leads to treading a fine line between cheating and playing within the rules. Is Rooney a cheat? No more than any other player who plays at the top. He’s a striker who will go down if a defender/keeper makes the wrong challenge just like any other player would. There’s no moral high ground to be had here
@Gooner77 lol are you getting disturbed by my comment? I didnt mention Arsenal, and I certainly didnt mean to relate Henry with Arsenal. If you are feeling insulted by my comment, then just go away. Naming Rooney just for the sake of naming any United player is a pathetic reaction you know, when you have have Eboue and Eduardo now…
“Basically your assumption is that if I don’t seeth with blind hatred at mention of Manchester United then I am a plastic fan?” No, that is not my assumption at all, but nice try! You’re initial assertion was that “genuine fan rivalry should go on in and around the ground” This implies that any rivalry expressed elsewhere is somehow improper or fake. I don’t agree. I realise that it may be improper for you to express your dislike for other teams on the floor of the stock-exchange but that doesn’t mean it should only be expressed in and around the ground. Sites like this are a perfectly valid forum for such expression- it’s part of the reason they exist!
I don’t seethe with hatred and the mention of any club – I am a little more emotionally evolved than that – but the fact remains that this is a Manchester United blog for Manchester United fans and one of the things we do here is talk about players, clubs and other things we don’t like. If you don’t like the views of Manchester United supporters, then perhaps you should go elsewhere but the fact of the matter is you chose to come here to read those views. If I want to read the views of Arsenal fans then all I have to do is pick up any national newspaper or, if I were really desperate, go to an Arsenal website but I don’t because I am not interested in their views. That is why it bothers me so much that every time the word Arsenal appears on this site we get invaded by Hampstead’s finest. I still for the life of me don’t understand why you are all compelled to tell us what you think – frankly it smacks of a need for attention, I may be wrong but none of you has provided a better explanation. You say you’re not insecure but you still haven’t explained why the opinion of Manchester United supporters concerns you so much – you suggest that I could have ignored your posts but you could have ignored this whole site, but you didn’t you -came here and complained.
I am not angry, bitter or twisted I am just annoyed by this incessant intrusion. You’re right, I could ignore it, but would you ignore a nasty bout of hemorrhoids?
I’m not disturbed by your comment at all. In case you hadn’t noticed I’m not seeking to engage in any tit for tat arguments between Arsenal and United fans. Did you not read my comment? I said there is no moral high ground to be had here from any fan from any club, regardless of the fact that nothing you or I say on an internet forum has any bearing on what goes on in the mind of a footballer during a high pressure game, EVERY player is coached by his manager to work the ref. I mentioned Rooney as an example because his name was flying about from Gooners on here. Eduardo dived!!! Yes of course he did, he’s a striker was in the box and the keeper went for him, nearly every striker in the premier league does the same. Whether it is right or not is a different matter. Admittedly certain players are worse than others, Eboue has long been an embarassment to Arsenal fans with his diving as was Pires. My point is that every team has them Gerrard has dived for Liverpool, Ronaldo has dived for you. IT HAPPENS week in week out and I repeat, there is no moral high ground to be had.
What is hard to understand about that?
@ Gooner77
I have to agree with you on one point. You claim that this should not have turned into a row between Man United and Arsenal fans – you’re absolutely right but the only reason it became a row is because Arsenal fans insist on coming here and having their say.
@ Gooner77
“Eduardo dived!!! Yes of course he did, he’s a striker was in the box and the keeper went for him”
Of course he did? Of course..? You know, he could have NOT dived! Has watching Arsenal twisted your mind that much?
Yeah he could not of dived, in fact he could of done what Arshavin did last season when he was wrongly awarded a penalty away at Portsmouth and he told the ref it wasn’t a pen, but he didn’t and if I recall neither have many other players of many others clubs including yours over the years. We could sit here and find instances of good sportmanship and bad sportmanship from players from all over the world at different clubs all day long but it would not change the premise of my argument. It would take a particulary one eyed fan from any club to suggest they have never had a player who dived/cheated the ref in some way. It’s no reflection on a fan if a player from their team dives, what is a reflection is how those fans seek to defend it.Eduardo dived yes. What more is there to say? Are you honestly trying to tell me that United players have never conned the ref or dived?
Gooner77
You do seem like a reasonable person but you still misunderstand your own presence here as what Manchester United fans are telling you is that there is a moral high ground and we have it.
@ Gooner77
No, I am not trying to say that at all. United players have dived in the past they have also been accused of diving when they haven’t (Rooney against Arsenal springs to mind). Ronaldo dived a lot but it was addressed by the management and largely bred out of his game. He still dived occasionally but noweher near as many times as fouls against him went unpunished.
The problem is you said “Of course he did…” like this is the normal course of action, like not diving would have been crazy. This is the crux of the whole argument that has been going on here. Arsenal may not outwardly condone cheating but it is a club where cheating is par for the course. Since Wenger took over, dishonesty has infiltrated the very fibre of the club. Viera, Pires, Lehman, Cole, Eduardo, Gallas, even Bergkamp developed a cuntish streak when Wenger took charge.You claim that Henry was a model pro. Maybe a model Arsenal pro, but not a model pro. Just because all the tugs, elbows and kicks went unpunished doesn’t mean they were okay and doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.
I used to wonder why Howard Webb was England’s number one referee, then I saw him ref an Arsenal game. He is the only ref I have ever seen clamp down on the sly, viscous tactics Arsenal have employed for may years. Then they complain they’re getting picked on. Then whenever you lose a game Wenger wants to complain about the physical treatment they got from the other team – do me a favour!
As Scott said, “Once an Arsenal player, always an Arsenal player”.
@Brett Honestly I really don’t know how any set of fans can claim to have moral high ground over another, I really don’t. Either way I’m not coming on here to defend Arsenal or attack United as I previously mentioned. Any issues of morality should stick with the individual anyway, like I would not claim responsibility for the actions of any player at my club ( how could I possibily) nor would I take responsibility for many of the idiots that I regulary come across who support the same team as me. I don’t believe anyone should and nor would I defend someone with blind loyalty.
@Redbeard Your view is one eyed and blinkered. We’ve had dirty players, we’ve had players that dive etc etc I don’t say it as a matter of course like I have come to accept it, a good few years before Wenger arrived we also had a massive brawl at your ground, that had nothing to do with him. Viera dirty? Yes maybe sometimes but players in that position are always likely to get more sendings off that others, Roy Keane was hardly an angel either and Scholes has had his fair share of incidents. Fletcher also knows hw to handle himself, does this make him a cheat? No he is playing his position and he is doing what he is paid for. Our tactics are no more sly or vicious than your teams or many others. Objectivity is lacking here.
yeah not disturbed.. but then you quickly responded to my comment, even though i didnt mention Arsenal.. LOL.FYI, i didnt read the earlier comments, i came here straight away after reading Beck’s comment. So much for “not seeking to engage in any tit for tat arguments between Arsenal and United fans.” hahaha.. clearly disturbed! That’s why i told you to go away instantly. because you are getting too emotional that you cant see clearly, making your comments less and less objective.
If you want this to stop being a MU vs Arsenal thing, then YOU should go away from here first. Because this is a Manchester United blog.
@cantona7
Honestly I’m really not getting emotional about this. With regard to football I save my emotions for the games, winning,losing and the subsequent feelings. Ireland vs France does not feature on my emotional radar but I accept it does for Irish fans of Man United AND Arsenal. My comments are objective and you have totally misread/misunderstood what I’ve written.
Legend.
http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/30198/Roy_Keane_slams_hypocritical_FAI_claiming_What_goes_around_comes_around_.aspx
At leat Roy Keane calls a spade a spade, lets not hide behind a finger. Out of the 5 clear cut chances in the second leg, how many did Ireland put away, only 1.
I think Henry saved them from further inquisition.
@ Gooner77
Yes objectivity is lacking, but not from me.
Why is my view one eyed and blinkered? Because I have a different opinion from you? I never said Keano, Scholes or Fletch were guilt free – you keep trying to put words in my mouth. Paul Scholes has had more than his fair share of bookings/sendings off but that’s because he can’t tackle to save his life but keeps trying. Fletch “knows how to handle himself”? That’s a good thing for a central midfielder, but dirty? No! That’s just a story made up by your manager to cover up for the fact that the Woolwich Ballet Company can’t hack the physical side of the game – and you lap it up!
Compare this to a nasty, viscous coward who likes to play the hard man until he comes up against a real one:
Anyway, you’re comparing apples and oranges. Getting a bit overzealous in midfield is a completely different kettle of fish to the sly cheating tactics that have come to characterise your team for anyone who sees through all that nonsense about your “beautiful football”.
Here’s your famous hard man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwcpFXOsrY8
@ cantona7
“If you want this to stop being a MU vs Arsenal thing, then YOU should go away from here first. Because this is a Manchester United blog.”
Here Here!
@Redbeard
You clearly have a prejudiced opinion. I was making reference to some of the United players not to highlight them as dirty players but to emphasise my point that every team has to have these kind of players. Either way I’m out of here. I hope you continue to enjoy living your life through your team and all the pantomime hatred that goes with it which you clearly take far too seriously, in the meantime I’ll continue to enjoy the football and reserve my hatred for people genuinely deserving of it. Objective argument is clearly beyond you given the petty, playground jibes that you continue to include in every post you make about someone you have never met and know nothing about ……oh no I forgot we’re on the internet and it allows people to be this rude with no fear of the consequences.
Wow, there’s a hell of a lot of bile flying round on this thread. I think what Henry did was despicable and should remain with him as a stain on his reputation for ever but I’m shocked at some of the abuse being hurled round here as a spin-off. Why are United fans tearing at each other’s throats like this? I’m particularly amazed to see the vituperative attacks on Costas and GHTT, two of the best, most entertaining and well-informed posters on this site. Is it really impossible to disagree, even passionately , without this kind of shit? I’m all for some tasty no-holds barred arguments, but calling people cunts or telling them to fuck off does very little to make this a ‘Must Read’ site. As an example of how to do it, I agree with a lot of what Redbeard is saying about Arsenal.He stood his ground and crafted some well-expressed arguments against Gooner77 (who’s always welcome in my book, even if I sometimes disagree with him), and it’s so so much more effective and readable than yet more ‘fuck offs’.
@gooner
Fans collectively have different traits and values which associates them with a particular club.
Some groups will have more integrity and fair play than others in society, the same in football.
And therefore some groups can have the moral high ground.
@ Gooner77
You really are not the open minded figure you like to think you are. You keep referring to objective argument but you haven’t really made one. True, every team has their cheats but we are not talking about absolutes. We are dealing with degrees of culpability and it is clear that Arsenal are far more culpable. If we follow your logic, I can’t condemn a rapist because I once got a speeding ticket. You can’t see that because you are just as biased as those you criticise.
You’ve been trying to bring us around to your way of thinking for the past couple of hours. Every time you make a post and somebody points out your talking bollocks you claim that they have missed your point – maybe you should learn to right more clearly! Now, because your pseudo-intellectualism hasn’t worked, you try to be condescending about my “pantomime hatred”. If anything has been “pantomime” it has been your half-arsed attempts at appeasement.
Not being swayed by your feeble attempts at persuasion does not mean objective argument is beyond me, nor does it mean I am prejudiced, it just means I can think for myself – you should try it some time! Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean I don’t understand you. That’s your problem, you see – you can’t even countenance the fact that you might be wrong. Probably that famous Arsenal arrogance!
As for being “rude with no fear of the consequences”, you’re right that is one of the advantages of the internet – just like being able to make thinly veiled threats without any fear of having to back them up (twice)!
Anyway, seriously? You’re going? FINALLY!!!
@ Giles Oakley
Thanks for the ‘bump’!
It is nice to know that Henry thinks it would be fair to have a replay and feels sorry for the Irish.
Just when I thought he couldn’t dig the hole any deeper, he still thinks people will listen to what he thinks is fair. It is you I feel sorry for Thierry.
You Arsenal fans have really showed yourselves up by defending a player who fucked you over. He signed a new deal in August 2006 and then promptly fucked off to Barca the following summer after making promises of staying at Arsenal for the rest of his career. Total lack of class. Pat – you are a cunt.
is this still ragin, replay the damn game and tie everyones hands behind their back
I hope you lot have read the most recent interviews from Keane and Henry.
1. Henry would replay the game if it is possible.
2. Keane is a legend. Rightly said. I don’t remember Ireland asking for a replay against Georgia. wonder why?
“what goes around comes around”-Keane
Btw, didn’t Arsenal agree to replay a game against SHeffield Utd before? I think we did.
Pat
What has Keane’s view of “what goes around comes around” got to do with the points you are trying to prove previously in this topic. That was a reference to John Delaney and the FAI going back to 2002 and Roy Keanes treatment at the world cup. Did you support Keane’s stance back then? I’ll bet you didn’t. What has the Georgia penalty got to do with the opinion of Manchester United fans about a culture of cheating at Arsenal? It may be hypocritical of Irish fans but not United fans.
You’ve been caught contradicting yourself in this topic already and now you are asking people to believe that you think Keane is a legend and implying that you support his stance on the administration of Irish football. Stop bluffing.
I hope you lot have read the most recent interview from Pat’s mum:
1. He’s a dick
2. Even she doesn’t like him
3. He’s a dick and she doesn’t like him
Another mint comic @ Studs up
http://www.studs-up.com/2009/11/this-one-goes-right-to-the-top/
This is another instance that shows how badly video replay is needed.
When the stakes are so high and after two years of qualifying things like this can’t be allowed to happen.
It’s bad for football. It’s bad for sport in general
Saoruladh
for the record the polish came to belfast with intent in causing damage, they clearly chose the wrong city to do so..but thats my pop at you, this is a united blog, so wel leave it at that eh?
ridiculous gif game with henry hahahah
http://www.jeu-de-main.com/
@ RedDeviled Egg
Brilliant! LOL!!!
Hope you read the most recent interview with RedBeard:
1. He’s a clueless cunt
2. Pat knows more about manchester United than he does
3. He sleeps with his sister
Red Deviled Egg – That link is excellent. Scored 43.
nothing will happen, as both henry and platini are frenchmen. yes henry cheated, but a number of players would probably have done the same for their national team to win. still, henry should be banned for the group stages of the WC.
@ Pat
1. I’d rather be a clueless cunt that a pointless dick!
2. Yes, you know more about Manchester United than I do, I know. Let me guess, the year we were established, the name of our stadium and the amount of money we got for a new shirt sponsorship deal? I told you before, reading wikipedia does not constitute knowing a lot about football. You’re reading of the Rooney penalty incident in your earlier post was laughable. Pundits, journalists, referees and (real) football fans were all in agreement that it was a definite penalty. The only people who disagreed were you and your chums from the Latin Club who think that the rules of the game change as and when it suits the Woolwich Ballet Company – the trouble is, they don’t!
3. I don’t have a sister! Even if I did wouldn’t have the energy to sleep with her given your mum’s insatiable appetite. Still, nice to see your adversarial relationship with the truth hasn’t altered!
It’s funny how my mother jokes are childish but a sister joke is your idea of sartorial elegance. Like I said before, you really need to know when you’re not wanted. Why do you come to this site? You’re not making any friends, you know.
Now, if exchanging these barbs with you is preventing you from selling crack, stealing Ford Focuses or stabbing 13 year olds with a kitchen knife then I am happy to do my bit to keep society safe but if not, then I am going to move on to bigger and better things – like giving your mum the elbow!