Wonder What Platini Makes Of This Cheat?

Furious. Absolutely furious. This cheat knocks the Irish out. I’m hoping someone gives him a Zidane before they walk off. Furious!

Video replay has GOT to be introduced. This is what I would call a ‘fucking disgrace’. Can’t wait to hear what platini who was against the whole idea say on this.

He wasn’t a bad ref or assistant, to be fair — which proves that we MUST have video technology NOW.

The fucking Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey Basketball Team amke it to the World Cup Finals. Cunts.

@Fze123: im saying that all season long mate, and i think it wont wait many years for that if the referees are shite like this

unlucky ghtt and the irish lads on here. Your team were robbed.

Same old arsenal ( player ) , always cheating.

I hate the frogs V V V V

cheating cunts V V V V

just watched the full game, and as an irish man, i’m proud and disgusted all in one moment. Our lads battered the frogs, anelka dived and stuck his leg back at Given about 4 yards away from him in the second half too, this was geared into the frogs tonight to do anything to win, the cheating bastards!! May Henry’s kids be blinded and bang into each other

anelka cheat, henry cheat
congratulations to patrice evra!

@ jack evra was muck tonight he done fuck all mate don’t know what game you were watching

I know it is fanciful but if France were kicked out of the competition for cheating and Ireland reinstated would there be anything wrong with that at a moral level?

I’m not that bitter about it really, Henry is a cheat, it is there for all to see- it is his proper legacy to football.

I would be annoyed if it wasn’t so expected.

Catastrophe. France are going out in the group stage anyway, especially if they keep the joke that is Raymond Domenech in charge. Trapattoni thoroughly deserves to manage during a World Cup, it’s really sad that now he most likely never will.

doncobaino
well said mate

France is an absolutely horrible team! So many player I utterly detest playing for them. Henry, Malouda, Gallas, Vieira… the list goes on. I even catch myself disliking Evra in that kit (even tho he’s a hero for us). Disgusting

@ jack

muck on saturday except the block in the six yard box, and i’m struggling to recall what he done tonight to say he was their best player. The keeper Illoris is their best player

Blood is boiling here. Henrys legacy is that of a cheat. Ireland kicked the shit out of the frogs all over the field. French keeper was man of the match.

FIFA made France seeded to stop them getting knocked out, we beat them, so when we beat them inspite of the obsticles put up the they resort to cheating. No chance of Henry putting his hand up?

Video replays now!

As you say — Henry will only be remembered for one thing now.

No matter what happens how, Henry will be remembered as a cheat, and I hope ref’s give decisions go against them in the World Cup

Cheating scum

dont get me fuckin started
same old arsenal??????? bollox
same old refs, always fuckin up
this song is fucking needed to be sung
I am pissed off at refs for fucking up
video evedence is one thing but a compleat uphoul when it comes to refs is another
THE REFS NEED TO GO
I fucking hate phil dowd but long story short hackett needs the boot in england and alot of refs in the world need to be fucked out
im pissed and pissed off
2 offsides which leads to a handball maybe 2 handballs to knock Ireland out old the world FUCKIN cup
The refs need to go and new young fit refs need to come in

Just gutted! Henry is the real face of FIFA. Smug and a cheat! To see him lording it around the stadium at the final whistle make me feel sick.

The will be stoney silence by FIFA tomorrow. They’re scum!!

I’m fuckin gutted. We could have won 2 or 3 nil after normal time. But to go out because of a blatent handball, sickening.

jish inc.
if my counrty where put out like that, i wouldnt be able to calm the fuck down and take things into perspective..and either would you

brett1985

totally agree

imagine if this happened to England

I think Rooney would have knocked out Henry and then ripped his heart out and kick it in the goal

Headline in tomorrow:

Hand of Frog.

Dreadful. But it just reinforces my feeling that United > Country. I can get over my country losing in ANY game. Even a World Cup play-off or the Final itself. I will be over it in hours.

If United drop points against Everton on Saturday I will be crushed.

Still, video refereeing will undoubtedly arrive soon. This is the most high profile example of refereeing incompetence and will prompt FIFA into action.

i dont care about the match i was watching out for 1 thing the united boys get through with no knocks on the plus side vidic played

but Scott If a player cheats it lands on 1 man to sort it out
shockin ref
Im pissed

brett1985
calf strain not a calf injusy
nothing to worry about come saturday

GET
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FIFA
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OUT

GHTT

If FIFA banned Henry for 10 matches and the Premier League bans Ngog for 7 matches…players would stop cheating tomorrow

It bcoz they can get away with it, they try and cheat

HENRY is a CHEAT

FIFA are bigger CHEATS

Ireland should be sent to the world cup

Sayyid
as I say Ronaldo can dive as much as he likes in a united shirt
henry could catch the ball and run into the goal with it
ngog can cause a team like a birmingham 2 oints ,which will be like gold piss in may , each and every week and it all means nothing if the guy who is paid to stop it did it
but they dont
the phil dowd fan club was out agin
but they get paid by the guys who make up new rules when the argies the french and the fact Ronaldo might not be in the world cup bring in seeding
Im pissed

Sayyid shut the fuck up and get fuck in the face with a rusty screwdriver.

Henry’s got wonderful skills but I’ve never warmed to him, with all that narcissistic posturing, but his double hand ball was just sickening. It may be ‘human nature’ to do what he did, and maybe we would all fail to do the right thing, but that doesn’t mean what Henry did was in any way acceptable. It was cheating of the very worst kind, especially because of the context of the game, because it has deprived Ireland of their well-earned chance to get to the World Cup Finals. Some of those Irish lads may not get another opportunity. The whole thing made me angry beyond words, but the one consolation is that for evermore Henry will be remembered as a cheat. There’s nothing he can ever say or do from now till Kingdom come to expunge the stain on his reputation. You can take Henry out of the Arse, but you can’t take the Arse out of Henry. Anytime he turns up on our shores the word will rain down on him, ‘Cheat, cheat, cheat!!’ And we’ll all know why. If a little kid sees him for the first time and asks, ‘Dad, why is everyone booing Henry and calling him a cheat?’ all round there will be people only too happy to explain. As a whiskery incontinent old man with palsied hands and suffering from dementia taken out for the fresh air in a wheel-chair, he’ll be pointed out in the street, ‘Oh look, there’s the man who cheated to get France to the World Cup Finals in 2010′. So it’s not all bad.

im pissed

Henry same as Maradona.

Even though my country qualified today, i do feel a lot for the Irish. Because the same thing happened to Greece in the group stages. We had a referee who butchered us when we played Switzerland thus sending them automatically to the World Cup. And do i need to remind where the FIFA president hails from?

So Platini and Blatter got to send their countries to the World Cup undeservingly and all is right with the world again.

Costas
who’s gonna stop Platini and Blatter
they are doing what they want
they want ronaldo argies history and the french in the world cup
and the got what they want
Cheats , HENRY?? NGOG??? RONALDO???
NO!!
the cheats are Platini and Blatter

That handball was clearly deliberate, Henry should get a ban that will take affect in the Wold Cup next summer, shouldn’t apply to friendlies.

Feel sorry for Ireland, that was not fair.

@ Scott – Do you have videos of the two goals Berbatov scored for Bulgaria against Malta today?

Lads,

We all know what he will do…

Will use some of the gob shite arshole wenger has previously used!

Erm Ammm ermm i did no seee ze inzeedent

Tuftys gone
and mopbucket is here
shocking

fuck you GHTT im Irish and from Robbie Keane land

you a real Muppet Costas… thinking cheating is ok!!! muppet

wait wait….. Costas…. are you french????

GHTT fuck off

@GHTT: No prob. He probably thinks that this sentence was in a serious tone:

“So Platini and Blatter got to send their countries to the World Cup undeservingly and all is right with the world again.”

Anyone with an IQ over 5 understood that it was sarcastic.

Mopbucket
i get it
im gotta hate tiny tears
a well know name on this site
why dont you jump on my coattails for a ride and try and get yourself noticed
scott just yanked someone off them today so theres room for one more

guys,stop your complaining,what did you expect henry to do? not cheat to take his country to the worldcup? would rooney not do that for england? would ireland not be a happy place tonight had robbie keane had that chance? its up to the referee to call it and he didnt, all this cheating talk is crap,these players are expected and paid to win and win and win regardless!

To the Irish lads on here – sincere commiserations from an Englishman who was roaring for your lot tonight.

No one should feel in the slightest bit surprised that Henry did what he did – let’s see what that fucking chinless twat Piers Morgan and the other Arsenal-centric middle class media establishment has to say about their darling Henry being collared big time as a fucking dirty cheat. They’re probably all busy wanking themselves silly over his ‘daring Gallic avant-gardism’ or some such bollocks.

The Irish were top drawer tonight. The French were – no surprise – gutless. It’s a shame that gobby little prick Diarra didn’t get his come-uppance.

@Arsene Wenger: Haven’t seen you in while mate. I also think blaming the players is not the main issue. The culprits is the two people in power at the moment: Platini and Blatter. But it is a very bitter pill to swallow to lose out in the Play offs in such a manner.

@GHTT: No need to continue this mate. I will let bygones be bygones due to today’s events.

Have a goodnight everybody.

yes you are a muppet…. you love yourself and think your a know it all LOVE xxx… i wasnt talking to you i was talking to costas and just as normal you starting farting off yet again…

to costas.. as i said i did type before i read your post properly and i should say sorry so i do…. i blame it on to much booze i wont do that again….

but GHTT… you really are a loud mouthed gobshite…. night night love XXX

costas how are you mate, in my opinion there should have been no seeded teams in the draw that lead to the fixtures, portugal and france unable to draw each other,this was the con, fifa chose which teams would be favourites

Mopbucket
you called a man like Costa a cunt
then jumped on me for saying its out of order
so you jumped on me
while your at it why dont you make fun of Giles Oakley
I dont give 2 fucks if you dont like what I say because I believe what I say
but do you not think that your points should be noticed by its words than slagging people who have a name people notice

can we expect more from the guy? he is an x gooner and french haha

the thing about platini and blatter is they are fans of leagues in particular and even clubs inparticular, now why cant they get someone from withing sport but another sport other than football to run fifa? if the boss of asda can fuck off and run t mobile why cant someone from rugby league in botswana who has never been to the bernabau come and run fifa?

If there was a justice in this World, FIFA and Platini would void this match and would have another one off match played between the Irish and the cheats, but the Earth will go flat before that will happen. The whole play off was a shambles, the draw was seeded so France gets easier opponents.

What a shame that Henry is not playing in England any more, so we will have to wait for a bit to show him what we think of him. Even, fucking Gallas was not celebrating as he did not expect the goal to stand.

Xyth and what if the replay ended with an offside winner? andy grays machine cannot run the game!

the thing is GHTT ireland wont rip into the players,if england came home losers they would be hung drawn and quartered,also france,this creates a mentality thats a bit dirty, ireland just werent nasty enough,see france are just like chelsea, dirty and they pounce on opportunitys like wolfs, they have good players but play dirty ugly ball,they will probably win the world cup now

look at the mighty russia. they walked over everything until spain played keepball at the euro’s,and they have been done up by slovenia

The problem with the whole idea of Video technology is

1) Watch any game on Sky and they will show an indecent from 10 angles at various speeds and every angle tells a different story. Even with all the angles its simply not clear and you see disagreements between the commentators and panellists

2)The sports that employ video technology are ones that pretty much have a break after each ‘play’. Footballs a more free flowing and while some incidents do have a break in play some don’t. What do you do about that, every time the players complain have the ref stop the game and check the reply. You risk being like American Football then where it takes over twice the allotted time to complete a match. If you only use it when a play stopping event happens then some are still going to go unpunished and even if you were to allow an indecent to be reviewed when the game next stops that could be just as frustrating. Imagine the ref turns down a penalty and the next stoppage is when the other team scores, how annoying would it be to have that goal chalked up and the last minuted rolled back to the penalty. Or do we leave it upto the ref on when its used, a ref who no doubt believes fully he made the right call so has no need to call for a reply

3) Imho Footballs not as black and white as many sports. No matter how much they study the footage at the end of the day most decisions will still need a judgement call due to the Grey Areas. Look at Carrigher on Carrick. He lunged in, went over the top of the ball and took the player BUT did touch the ball, some say its a penalty others say the touch makes it a good tackle. Both views are perfectly valid by the letter of the law . Its not like Tennis where its in or out or even American Football where you are in the endzone or out of the field. Its still the refs judgement.

Technology shouldn’t be added just because it can, it should be added because there’s technology out there that works with the sport in question. IMHO this tech doesn’t exist yet in a form where its realistic and viable

What a fuck ton of a disgrace! I normally don’t post much to forums but JESUS H. TAPDANCING CHRIST!!

I think this game sums up everything wrong with football and where it’s going. On one hand you have a group of no so skilled players but who play the game the right way, show pride in the shirt and give it their all.
On the other hand you have a bunch of posing pricks (Evra & their keeper excluded) who think they just have to turn up and show no passion whatsoever.
When it doesn’t go their way, they cheat. And who reaps all the rewards? The cheating cunts thats who!
FIFA are laughing all the way to Le Bank. Not even a mention of handball on the FIFA match report – it was simply ‘luck’.
It’s time for Platini to remove the fucking snails from his ears and listen to the punters – WE NEED VIDEO REPLAYS!

Roll on the weekend so my faith in football can be restored by the Reds.

Wakey
it has more positives than negitives
and if Video technology was called into a weekend of premier league football for every wrong desision by a ref then it would not only show the world of fooball the need for Video technology but the shake up needed in refs in football
Fuck Phil Dowd

People will love to vilify Henry… but Scholes did the same thing last year. He didn’t get away with it, does that make it any better?
Also easy to forget that our Pat should have had a pen on Saturday.
One thing this result is doing is that a lot of people that usually slag off Fergie (not on here obviously) for complaining about bad decisions are doing pretty good impressions of him.

should we just turn all sports into a version of professional wrestling? let’s just have a player knock out the ref with a chair and then the rest of the players on the pitch can just carry the ball around rugby style. it’s up to the refs to control cheating not the players, right?

in boxing, boxers should just wear brass knuckles or put plaster in their hand raps like margarito tried to do against shane mosley. or we’ll just let fellas like mike tyson bite off evander holyfield’s ears then? how about we just let all rugby teams carry around fake blood capsules and spit out blood anytime they want to sub out players after maxing out their substitutions?

forget rules, sportmanship, and laws of the game. let them all take performance enhancing drugs, let’s secretly hook up motors onto cyclists bikes for the tour de france. just don’t get caught. how awesome watching sports would be then!

i would hope most people would see these things as ridiculous suggestions.

what’s the point of competing if the competition is decided with unfair play? how does henry doing what he needed to do to get france through doesn’t make it wrong, unfair, and not cheating. when tyson bit off holyfield’s ear, was that not doing what he had to do to win? does that make that deplorable act acceptable?

the worst bit is that the french team seems to be playing stupid, won’t admit guilt, and are pulling the “i didn’t see the replay” routine. florent moluda was asked point blank on sky whether henry had cheated and handled the ball, and all he could say was that they were lucky. lucky! hopefully some of the french players can be asked about the cheating question in front of a video monitor so they can see the replay and comment. then we can see if they will still go on about being lucky.

break a leg theirry u cheatin scum, wish Keano was palyin can u imagin what he wud hav dun, i wud pay money to see it!

@wenger

i couldn’t stand it when ronaldo or any united player would dive. and if i ever caught either of my two young sons flopping about diving, cheating, whatever, they would be in a world of trouble with their old man. if patrice evra comes on tv and starts denying unfair play, it wasn’t a hand ball, there was no offsides… i wouldn’t ever forgive him for that.

it’s not just the french, or maradona and the hand of twat, it’s the public acceptance that this is gamesmanship and part of sports. i won’t tolerate it. if henry goes on tv and admits that he handled the ball, even if he says it was an accident (which i am not inclined to believe) i would give him the benefit of the doubt and say fair play, bad calls happen all the time, good luck france.

but if like molouda (however its spelled) they take the cowardly path of denial through ignorance, well they will then deserve all the criticism they get. if the roles were reversed and ireland went through the same way, i’d be going on about cheating and robbery just the same.

but let’s see what happens i guess.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1229094/Hand-God-II-Thierry-Henry-confesses-cheated-rob-Irish-World-Cup-place.html?ITO=1490 there rooninho,henry is a gent!

@Gotta hate tiny tears

No it doesn’t have more positives than negatives and the positives that people do bring up are hardly ‘positives’ because all they are doing is saying “It would stop things like X and Y” without any any thought into how it would be implemented and how it would actually stop certain things.

FIFA have run tests on Video Technology in the past only to find there is no system they can find thats not only fair and consistent BUT ALSO doesn’t destroy the whole nature of a football match.

Perhaps if all those who harp on about the need for Video Technology would put on their thinking caps and come up with a system to go with the technology that doesn’t ruin the flow of a football match and ensures that decision making is actually improved then the positives may outweigh the negatives but until then Video Replys have no place in football

rooninho,lol tell your sons do the right thing,im sure thierrys dad raised him to do things properly and he is stillproud even now,today he did the wrong thing but for the right reasons, he isnt proud that he did it that way im sure! its a blatant referee’s mistake, thierry was being cheeky an got away with it! but had the ref blown he would have accepted the booking!

@wenger

i’ll tell my sons that henry is a former arsenal wanker, that we hate arsenal, we hate henry, wenger, liverpool, rafa, chelsea, leeds, man city…

i’ll tell my sons that fergie is god, and that manchester united is our religion.

i’ll tell them to never cheat even if they can get away with it, and that cheeky sneaky play is for cowards who can’t play it straight.

i will also tell them that henry did the right thing by admitting the truth to the public.

cheers mate, good conversation today!

anyway gents have a good one!

im gutted!

the boys played their hearts out tonight. we were the better side over the two legs and deserve to be going to the world cup. i cant help but feel bitter about the whole thing.
ireland were let down by the ref and linesman. firstly it was offside before the ball even reached henry. it reminded me of the chelsea game.
im fed up of refs getting it wrong. it actually sickins me.

what will platini say about the whole thing?
the fact that the draw was seeded in the first place was injuctice enough but add the handball goal on top of that and im left with a very bitter taste in my mouth.

the world cup will worse off for not having the irish fans in attendance. we usually win award for best fans. i would have gone to south africa, now i will have to make do with watching it on tv.
i hope the french are drawn in englands group and rooney fucks them up for us. i will be cheering england on next summer (thats a big deal for an irishman!)

the next time ireland are back in that stadium is next feb for the rugby and i hope o driscoll and the boys kick seven shades of shite out of them.

hopefully they will now be forced to bring in video refs and at least something positive can come out of this whole thing.

thanks for reading – a very disapointed irish red.

It has all been said. Absolutely disgusting. Worst part was seeing the smug cunt sat down with Dunne at the end in mock sympathy. Strutting round the place like he is some big man. Horrible horrible cunt.

@king eric

i saw that, too. how dunne didn’t go over and choke the crap out of him is beyond me. henry did go on to publicly admit that he unfairly handled the ball, but he didn’t bother to tell the ref that did he? fair play to henry for admitting it to the public, but he couldn’t really deny it could he? caught red handed, as they say.

fuck thierry henry. i’m embarrassed evra has to be lumped in with that twat.

rooninho,what you getting upset about?

rooninho – No spot on mate. Henry shouldn’t be “applauded” for admitting to it. Like you say, he was caught red handed.

Cheats could be punished retrospectively. Any goal scored could bear thirty seconds scrutiny by a video ref to confirm it was fair. These measures could be in place within weeks. That’d kill cheating. Make the job of the ref so much easier, means they could concentrate on the important stuff.

It’s got to happen. I can’t believe people still accept bullshit refereeing in this day and age; particularly as in the long term nothing is going to improve without changes.

so by the rule book,is evra’s handball with both hands not as punishable as henrys handle twice with one hand? in retrospect?

Wayne “I’d never dive” Rooney.

At least Henry doesn’t fooking deny it when its obvious. Obviously Wayne isn’t the brightest lad!

Pat – “Bias cunts, seriously. If you want to talk intelligent football with me”

Are you even serious? This is a UNITED blog pal. Anyway please do provide all these incidents of Rooney cheating. Typical Arsenal fan taking the moral high ground.

How can you compare Evra’s handball to Henry’s? Pat’s didn’t lead to the goal that sent Ireland out of the World Cup.

@king eric

fair enough. maradona never came out and said he handled even though the rest of the world saw it, so henry still could have pulled a diego. but yeah, i guess henry didn’t want to come out a cheat and also a deluded liar.

evra should’ve been booked for handling as well.

what i don’t get is how a player who hasn’t even played for arsenal since 2007 has to still be vehemently and blindly defended by arsenal supporters for such an obvious questionable act. get over henry already, talk about being bias. that’s real mature, your former hero goes and does something out of order and you all go on the offensive and accuse everyone else of various misconducts in the past.

rooney cheated by stomping you say, fine… wait red card, sent off, england lose- stupid behavior rooney,stop playing emotionally out of control. oh well, maybe you’ll learn to control yourself and win some trophies some day…oh wait he did. a lot of em.

ronaldo dived a lot early on, fucking cheating wanker…oh wait, the legendary veterans had a word with him about diving and he publicly admitted he did it when he first arrived, but he apologized and stopped doing it in our trophy years.

and comparing poland getting cheated to ireland being cheated… seriously?

united have supporters all over the world, but with the close proximity, keano, and george best (who all my irish mates claim) just to name a few irish greats- after celtic, the republic is hugely red. does that really have to be explained?

anyway, it seems arsenal supporters don’t have much to grab on to these days in regards to current players and current glory, so i guess they have the right to live vicariously in the past through henry and france. btw- is he also a hero for joining the club that beat arsenal in the champions league final?

i wonder why united supporters don’t follow beckham and cry about the abuse he takes in america and the mls, or cry foul every time ronny is almost crippled in la liga, or worry if ruud and holland qualify. oh that’s right we are always marching on and don’t live in the past like liverpool and arsenal.

Pity, I was really rooting for France to fall, although that might hurt Evra’s feelings.

Cheating as a whole should be outlawed and video replay should be introduced. In fact, I hate cheats so much that the players who do this should be penalized far worse than a red card. And yes, I don’t even care if our players get hit for it, cheating as a whole should and must get out of the sport.

CR stopped diving when you started winning trophies? Really? hahaha sorry mate. You must have only watched MOTD highlights then

Mic, what exactly are you on about? Did Rooney get punished for his dive against Villareal? Thought so

Why do you hate the russians styy? I actually wanted them to qualify more than France. I was neutral in the France game.

Russians play some lovely football and they underestimated the Slovenians.

i guess you are an expert on diving with eduardo and van persie on your club, i stand corrected.

ronaldo was the most fouled player in the epl in the last few years whether they called it or not. if you believe he was diving then that’s your opinion.

would you arsenal lot be going on about this france ireland match if say, diarra or benzema were guilty of the game winning handball assist? would you even care? because we would be ripping those players to shreds just like henry, if that were the case. torres was a diving cunt when we played at anfield, do you lot want to go and defend him?

why are you defending henry when what he did constituted cheating and left a whole country in shock, disbelief, and anger? what is the point in calling out united players, instead of looking at an incident which happened in the last 24 hours and seeing it for what it is?

in all honesty, i would be hugely disappointed and upset with evra if his unfair play directly resulted in ireland losing and wouldn’t be going on an arsenal blog defending his actions. to be fair, i would have forgiven him if he admitted cheating, but i would have never defended it and played it off as gamesmanship and doing what he had to do to get france through.

it was funny that pavlyuchenko was talking to press before russia’s match and saying he needs to switch clubs to get starting XI spot in world cup, funny eh?

True styy. And Arshavin said he’d never seen SLovenia play and that they’d be through if they won the first leg 2-0 or 3-0. Complacency set in towards the end of the 1st leg. Russia are the better footballing country, no doubt about it, but they dug their own grave

Pat — at least we can come together and all agree that Drogba and Gerrard are the worst culprits!

@drew vader

here here

pat-
what is the difference in van persie admitting that he helps refs see that he is being fouled by over playing it? he’s got to be kidding, right?

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/arsenal-striker-van-persie-admits-to-exaggerating-falls/102226-5.html

where do you draw the line with this? if you can stay on your feet stay on your feet. if you are fouled and are sent to ground, then it’s a foul. are you saying that van persie can in milliseconds understand and decide that he was bumped or nudged enough in every single contact situation of his career, to fairly embellish it and go to ground?

the first thing they teach you as a child learning football is to always stay on your feet, if you are fouled they will call it.

how is exaggerating your falls not a form of diving? in 50-50 situations contact is almost always the result, so if van persie and whoever collide in open play and the other player tries to stay on his feet and van persie exaggerates the contact as he admits, and goes to ground theatrically, that is not diving?

fucking rubbish! go ahead and tell me he doesn’t dive, he only exaggerates. tell us, are these ronaldo and rooney dives you speak of, were those merely exaggerations like van persie speaks of?

and how even if he was fouled, does exaggerating not influence whether or not the ref decides if a player gets a yellow or even a red card? is that not cheating through diving? wouldn’t an exaggeration get the offending player a harsher judgement by the ref?

and yes if eduardo dives once it makes him a diver. or do you not understand how diving works? did he trip on a ghost? it was ridiculous and it was obvious and it was cheating. he will always carry that tag now.

anyway have fun winding us up,but i’m not falling for it any more. every time you’ve been called out for some ridiculous defense of arsenal or henry, or are made to be shown why the ireland result matters, you latch on to some other comment to go on about instead of admitting that you might be wrong about a few points yourself. it makes your arguments weak and your credibility non existent. i could tell you that 1+1=2 and you would probably try to convince me that 1+1=11 because that’s how it looks when you put those numbers together from your perspective.

i will freely admit that i don’t know as much about arsenal than an arsenal supporter would. but do you really think that i don’t know about manchester united’s players, history, academy, triumphs and tragedies, because you say so? seriously? do you think that you come here to the united blog to save us from ourselves? oh, what a savior pat is for showing us the light. you’re nuts mate.

rooninho — quality post

remember last time i commented on my disgust towards Henry? haha…

please somebody tell me a better word than “fu*cking disgrace” for this… my vocab is at the limit..

@rooninho just for jokes sake mate, but the first thing i learned in football was how to kick the ball. :p

@rooninho,
So Henry left Arsenal in 2007 and he was playing for Barca so far. He didn’t commit a handball on his days at Arsenal and he committed it as Barcelona player.

So what the fuck is this sentence “Once an Arsenal player, always an Arsenal player?” Lollz… You should tell that to Scott first then the Arsenal fans defending TH14 here.

By the way, wasn’t it Paul Scholes who tried to score notoriously with the clearest handball ever against Zenit? Wasn’t it Paul Scholes who acted as a second keeper side-by-side with VdS and blocked a clear goal in that famous Fulham match?

Yes, TH14 cheated and he admitted it. But, look, you have Darren Fletcher in your squad who fouled Arshavin and then handballed in the penalty area (2 penalties in 1) and then came and publicly said that Arsene Wenger was responsible Man United’s loss to Liverpool and Chelsea.

Yes, Eduardo cheated once, Henry Cheated once, David N’gog cheated once, CR and Pires cheated professionally, but apart from Drogba many British players (including Gerrard, the Keane brothers, Rooney, Martin Taylor, Darren Bent, Scholes, Duff, Marlon King, Craig Bellamy and Ashley Young) are serious cheaters and the media ignores what they have done…

Anyway, Ireland lost, it was unfair more like the way Arsenal lost to Liverpool in 2007-2008 CL, Man United lost to Chelsea lately and Chelsea got knocked out of the CL last year by Barca..

It was the referee’s fault, coz, every player would do everything possible to carry his team/country to success. Scholes would never defend with his hands or would never score against Zenit with his LONG hand unless he wanted a Man United victory… Respectively, the referees sent off Scholes rightly, last night’s ref didn’t and he should be blamed of such thing…

Here’s one for yous sky sports cameras have Terry Henry telling dunne that he cheated as the camera went by but ” because we couldn’t hear the words there’s no way to prove he said it” even thou you can clearly read his lips………….12th man anyone

RE: GTHTT
Cheating French bastard has admitted to it: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/republicofireland/6599687/Thierry-Henry-admits-to-handball-that-defeated-Ireland-in-World-Cup-play-off.html

My heart goes out to the Republic, robbery of the highest order, a total disgrace!

Domenech said: “I didn’t see the hand. You people [media] are talking of this after seeing it from 80 yards. The referee gave the goal, but I couldn’t see anything from where I was. I didn’t see the replay.”

That is funny, Domenech must have gotten too old for football that he forgot about instant replay and the number of cameras behind the goal.

Henry’s admitted it was hand-ball but was accidental. Fuck Off.

Henry’s exact words:

“I will be honest, it was a handball. But I’m not the ref. I played it, the ref allowed it. That’s a question you should ask him.”

@goodness

once an arsenal player, always a something… i forget what you said, but i think i learned a different ending for that saying anyway.

btw-how does adebayor fall into that saying?

i get that you support arsenal, and henry is a hero and all, but as i’ve asked earlier, why take a stand on this thing?

what is the point of defending the actions of henry who said that he handled the ball? it was illegal, influenced the outcome of the game,and sent a whole country into an uproar and a feeling of being robbed.

say what you want about how united did this and united did that, but how does that make what henry did acceptable and justifiable? that is the point of this blog post. if it were benzema or diarra who did the deed, henry wouldn’t even had a mention on this blog. would you lot have defended benzema or diarra the same way, or even cared?

the anger and outrage is that the republic of ireland deserved a better and more fair chance to win and go to the world cup, and there is a rightful sense of injustice about it all. again, say what you want about united and your opinions on united cheating, but how does that absolve what henry (or whatever player it could have been for france) did to the republic of ireland?

it looked like it was going to pk’s and if france would have won that way, they would have deserved it, but even as an arsenal supporter can you say that this was a fair result? isn’t the anger towards the offending player justified? the ref missed the call, but come on, henry was out of order, he should take some blame, right?

It was not Henry who helped France to qualify. It was the ref. If you watch the movie in the slowest motion (1 frame per second) you can see that Henry controls the ball with his hand… the ref and the linesman are close… the Ireland players are calling for a handball… the ref ignores it… Henry passes the ball with his hand… the ref ignores it… Given tries to collect it… the ball passes by… Irish lads are still calling for handball… with confidence Willy Gallas touches the ball and puts it back of the net… Ireland was robbed and the ref was responsible of it…

But it seems as Scott the Red (and many commentators here) thought that Arsene Wenger cast the evil spell over Ireland; saying it was all about Arsenal’s fault.

However, I don’t wonder with this. Fletcher said before that Manchester United is not winning anymore because of mysterious treble magic by Arsene Wenger, referees and St. Stadium Highbury…

Same ol arsenal always cheating.. http://www.goal4replay.net/VideoWatchF.asp?ID=34291&Ln=

@ Goodness

“but apart from Drogba many British players … are serious cheaters and the media ignores what they have done.”

Drogba is from the Ivory Coast, that is in AFRICA! AFRICA IS NOT IN BRITAIN! ERGO, DROGBA IS NO A “BRITISH PLAYER”!

Come on! Don’t they teach Geography at boarding schools anymore? Or were you being broken in by Crispin and Tarquin that day?

@Redbeard, I didn’t say Drog is British, I said, apart from Drog… The listed players are the biggest cheats… Clear?

@ Goodness,

The use of the phrase “apart from Drogba many British players…” suggests that you thought Drogba was English. I apologise, it appears I was wrong.

Apparently you were being fucked up the arse by prefects during your grammar lessons!

@Redbeard, Eduardo and Gallas (and Henry in his days at Arsenal) didn’t cheat, but I agree Ashley Cole (a Chelsea player) and Eboue do…

How about thus cheat you hypocritical sad as fook eejits!

http://www.theoffside.com/europe/paul-scholes-with-the-best-handball-ever.html

@ Goodness

Eduardo doesn’t cheat? What was that against Celtic, a homage to his favourite New York breakdancers from the early eighties?

The fact that Cole is now a Chelsea player is irrelevant, his despicable behaviour started long before he moved to Chelsea. he was a product of the Arsenal youth system who spent the formative years of his career under Wenger. Arsenal are wholly responsible for unleashing this horrid little reprobate on the football world!

Spike…. at least he got sent off for it… the fact is last nights ref ignored it…

@Redbeard;

Well Arsene was responsible of the Ireland defeat… Well, cos he hates Robie Keane, a typical Spuds man.

@ Goodness

What? We’ve already established you were otherwise engaged during your grammar lessons but that wasn’t even a coherent sentence! Is it the inbreeding or have boarding school standards really slipped that much?

Mobucket
I was just defending costa mate that’s all
and if I came on strong then it cold be cause I was pissed and pissed off , I don’t think I did but if you did which is most important then I’m sorry mate, and just to
add my daughter is not my step daughter she’s all mine

@all the Arsenal trolls on this site taking time off from their accountancy jobs / shopping at Waitrose / Guardian reading / planning their holiday in Tuscany: stroll on or get fucked! This is a United blog – if you want to indulge in a wankfest of apologies for that narcissist poseur ex-player of yours, do so on your own (vastly inferior) blogs.

@Redbeard – perfectly articulated pal.

GHTT… fair enough.. I was being a prick to you too… sorry for that..

I think this is just degenerating into a slanging match.

Yes, the Irish have lost, where they should not have.
It Hurts…
Hurts like hell

But let us just give it a rest here.
No point spouting off obscenities at each other and going on for things said in bad taste/anger.

@Long John O’Shea – what difference does it make whether he got sent off for it? It’s hardly Henry’s fault that he didn’t get caught. Scholes did it twice last season and everyone’s ignoring that. All this Henry bashing is a bit ridiculous really.

fifa.com’s review of the key moment of the game

they’re sweeping it under the carpet, wankers!

“Les Bleus came into the contest after the break but remained vulnerable to Irish attacks, meaning the tie had to be resolved in extra time, when William Gallas equalised to send his team through to their fourth consecutive finals.”

Goodness – Shut up about Scholesy’s hand ball against Zenit St Petersburg. It was a pointless Cup final that he couldn’t care less about . He didn’t actually expect to get away with it and claim an advantage. It was a volley ball punch for fuck sake. Fucking clown.

Hello Everyone.

While we all will admit that cheating is a part and parcel of the game today(n gog,eduardo,henry etc etc) the sad part is until video technology is used to punish the culprits there will be no improvement.Being a neutral i was least bothered about this game but suppose this had happened to United in a Champions League knockout game? i would have been gutted.so no wonder GHTT and the other irish fans are righly furious about it.The refree was not in the best position to see this but the linesman should have detected this.The Irish will know that such a chacne will not come very often for them and therefore their reaction was understandable.

As for henry,there are 2 sides to the arguement.When you play for the country you try to win at all costs and thats what henry did.The 2nd side is, what example are you setting to football fans across the world and that too a popular player like henry who is considered by many as one of the legends of the game.

If players like Eduardo and N Gog had been severley punished atleast players will think twice before throwing themselves on the ground or cheating blatantly like this.

BigPhill, The differance is the Ref seen Scholes and took the right action by booking him for a second time which righty reduced United to 10 men.. That Ref last night chose not to seen Henry’s cheating. The Ref looked at the linesman and bottled it. Henry Cheated and got away with it for and that makes football the real loser.. Scholes got caught and rightly punished. It was the way henry went on after the goal was a disgrace.. he is a cheat and should always be remembered as one…

@JD

Just goes to show – people can never stop thinking about United!

offside as he ball gets crossed in hts a hand to go out for a goal kick but is kept in by a full on hand ball
Im pissed off

Not seen the incident but after trying about 10 sites the video is no longer available…i smell a french rat!

any links that work??

A.I.G. MATE
DISNEYLAND WAS FANTASTIC
I JUST GOT HOME ABOUT 5 MINUTES AND IM DOING BETTER CAUSE EMILYS SINGING
Irish players where diving and a yellow card was given at one point
anelka dived in the box and the ref played on but didnt book the player
2 handballs after an offside was not seen
I dont blame the french They cheat They Irish tried cheating to gain advantage
Its just the shit refs

ghtt

good mate.atleast spending time with Emily will make you feel a lot better.

The refreeing was pretty ok to be fair and the ref made some good decisions like not to give Anelka the peno but that one decision he made wrong made the difference in the end.Dont worry,Ireland have some good players and with players like Gibson coming up the FURURE IS BRIGHT FOR THE IRISH.

remember when saha scored against fulham and was offside but it was giving Chris “hide your wives “Coleman went straight to where the forth ref stands and check the reply on the screen then gave out that it was off side
Coleman had got to a screen checked it seen it was offside and started protesting to the ref all in the time it took saha to celebrate
video tec will not slow the game down if it was brought in for goals and penos only

@DogHouse;

Quote: “Life isn’t fair, but sport should be.” — That’s wisdom, mate…

Redbeard – Post at 10.20am was genius mate.

redbeard,thats not very polite,whats the point of a debate with only agreement?

You really are a dickhead GHTT

@ King Eric,

Cheers, pal!

i can guarantee you at some point vidic has tried to hold a forward off while sheparding the ball out of play and has decided shit i better go down this guy could get this ball@ghtt every defender has

@ arsene wenger

Who said this was a debate? this is a Man United forum for Man United supporters! We don’t want to here from you! We don’t go onto your blogs and mock the fact that you haven’t won a trophy since Britney Spears was a virgin so why do you feel the need to come here and bother us with your asinine twaddle?

What’s the problem? Can’t find any Arsenal fans to talk to? try the following sites:

http://www.balletislovely.com
http://www.ilovepolo.net
http://www.operaforum.org
http://www.publicshcoolwankerpretendingtobeafootballfanbecauseitiscool.co.uk

arsene wenger
Im not saying he didnt I just never seen him take a dive I am also not calling any player a diver at united except maybe 1
taking a dive and been a diver is alot different
gerrard is a diver drogba is a diver nani is a diver diouf is a diver lumpard is a diver
terry is a cheat gerrard is a cheat ball is a cheat
as you said “every defender has ” its part of the dfenders game

So we should agree with him and tell him how great he is just because we’re United fans? I’m not the only one with this opinion

this is exactly the reason why i never made anything of this chump as a footballer….. awesomely gifted but morally devoid…… what i hated even more is this guy would prance around the football field like he was not only gods gift to the game but also like he was the most gentlemanly and clean players ever to be born…………. complete cunt…
perfect wenger product……

MUFC E236 – Not at all pal but you aren’t disagreeing with his points or putting up an argument, just calling him a dickhead. How often do you come on here anyway? If you ain’t happy don’t come on, simple as.

@ MUFC E236

I thought you were banned from here yesterday, Tufty!

right enough with ROI, any chance we could get some united news on here I cant wait for saturday!

God, I’m sick of these retards who come on, say “GHTT, you’re a cunt.” or “Costas, you’re a cunt.”

Scott, can you please ban or at least warn the guys that they can’t insult people?

Havent been on in a while but the main thing I noticed when I came back was how a group of people just seem to pat each other on the back and agree with each others points all the time. If thats what you want to do then fair enough. Fuck it I dont want to keep up a slagging match. I just dont agree with the youtube videos and all that. Rant over

Interesting reading the comments and all.

I just couldn’t stop laughing, people saying its AW and AFC’s fault. Keep it up.

But seriously, how did Ireland miss that? 5 clear cut chances and they score only 1? No wonder Liverpool sold Robbie Keane (Roy Keane’s cousin).

Don’t worry Scott the Red has Realised a posted yet.

He will ban me in the next minute

I’d hate to be band from this site nor would I ever want anyone to be band
but I dont understand why people just slag people for the sake of it
I think Tufty knew alot about manchester united but he never let it out true all his shit
Shame

does that mean that England should also appeal to replay the 1986 WC Quarter-final with Argentina too?

http://www.fifa.com%2Fworldcup%2Farchive%2Fgermany2006%2Fnews%2Fnewsid%3D27212.html&h=285ddbfb87d3544c74c90b101f22652f

@Hurdy Gurdy

What happens if a replay is granted and someone dives to win a penalty for France.

Up steps Benzema or whoever and Ireland lose 1-0.

I can understand your frustration, but these replays aren’t the answer.

And you’ll not get one, considering a certain other Frenchman rules the roost now.

Gotta Hate:

FIFA invalidates Uzbekistan-Bahrain result; match to be replayed(FIFA.com) Tuesday 6 September 2005
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FIFA confirmed today that the result of the 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany™ qualifying match between Uzbekistan and Bahrain on 3 September 2005 has been declared invalid and must be replayed. In order to respect the drawn order of the matches, the first leg is to be replayed in Uzbekistan on 8 October 2005, with the second leg match to be rescheduled for 12 October 2005 in Bahrain.

The decision was taken by the Bureau of the 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany™ Organising Committee following a formal protest from the Uzbekistan Football Federation concerning a technical error by the referee of the match.

According to Art. 12.4 (b) and 14.1 of the Regulations for the 2006 FIFA World Cup™, all protests, including those against technical errors committed by referees, are to be decided by the Organising Committee for the 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany™. A bureau of the Organising Committee may pass a decision in lieu of the plenary committee in urgent matters.

The Bureau, composed of Chairman Lennart Johansson, Deputy Chairman Julio Grondona, Dr Chung Mong Joon and FIFA General Secretary Urs Linsi, took the decision based on the following facts:
1) At the score of 1-0 in favour of Uzbekistan, in the 39th minute of the match, the referee decided to award a penalty kick to Uzbekistan;
2) The penalty kick was taken and led to goal in favour of Uzbekistan;
3) Before the penalty kick was carried out, an Uzbek player entered the penalty area;
4) Consequently, the referee awarded an indirect free kick to the Bahrain team;
5) However, in such a situation, the Laws of the Game require the referee to order the penalty kick to be retaken;
6) The captain of Uzbekistan team protested to the referee immediately after the mistake had taken place and before the game had restarted. This protest was confirmed after the match;
7) This technical error was confirmed by the match commissioner and the referee inspector in their respective reports;
Uzbekistan protested the decision of the referee in a written request, asking for the match to be “cancelled” and be evaluated with a 3-0 forfeit result;

The bureau, taking into consideration that the referee in the match in question had indeed committed a technical error, established that, as a consequence, the match needed to be replayed. As a result, the protest put forward by the Uzbekistan team for the match to be considered a forfeit with a 3–0 result is rejected. In accordance with Art. 12.6 of the Regulations 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany™, this decision is final and binding.

If there is a precedent for games being replayed as indicated above then really this game should be replayed. Henry admitted it was a handball, it was the decisive goal, get it done. It seems like a pretty clear cut case.

Although to be honest I think FIFA might be getting sick of all the hoops they are having to jump through on this issue and may simply release a statement saying, “France are going to the world cup regardless of rules, results or sportsmanship, because we like France more than you.”

A lot of the comments on here sound like some little bitches on their period. Henry did one of the most disgusting things last night in football history along with Maradona, and I am pissed off he did that and it was allowed, to the point I wanted to kick him in the face. But go and blame Arsenal. Not like United never had any cheats in their lives.

I’ve always disliked Henry, there’s something about his smug narcissism that winds me up, so I have to be honest, I’m pretty partisan when it comes to commenting on this incident. However, I honestly think that this was the worst piece of cheating in world football, that far exceeds Maradonna’s in the World Cup. Henry didn’t just react out of desparate instinct, which he may have done for his first hand ball, but he deliberately took another touch, coldly, calculatedly and precisely and rather than be man enough to admit it there and then, which might have swayed the ref, he let it go. A man of honour would not have done this, he would have tried to put right his wrongs, but not Henry.

I really hope that Henry is now and for all time known as the man who cheated to knock Ireland out.

I am an English United fan from Manchester,thruthfully I don’t care who went through, but Henry cheated, the seeding was elitist but it is the World Cup in saying that what are New Zeland doing there? In reality France would of likely won on pens, but now FIFA what are YOU going to do about the posing twat? Nothing I would imagine.

“Henry didn’t just react out of desparate instinct, which he may have done for his first hand ball, but he deliberately took another touch, coldly, calculatedly and precisely ”

What a load of crap. There were milliseconds between his two touches. Life doesn’t actually happen in slow motion you know.

@ Arselicked

I have to defer to your expertise here. I mean, if anybody would know about delusion…

@ the savage,

if you’re a consultant neurologist, does that mean you can explain why Arsenal fans feel this compulsion to write bullshit on Man United blogs? Is there any way it can be treated?

ye’ll never beat the irish!! unless your a cheating frog scum who are in the world cup because of cheating and a greedy fifa who want money and not passionate football, look at the irish fans in paris last nite and you would swear it was their home game… blatter, platini, henry especially, FUCK YE!!

I advise you to start drinking heavily

fuckin disgrace! fifa again shows that they do not care about football. they’re fuckin up the game, sitting in their ivory towers…

this passage is from the Fifa Fair Play Code: “Play fair. Winning is
without value if victory has been achieved unfairly or dishonestly.
Cheating is easy, but brings no pleasure. Playing fair requires courage
and character. It is also more satisfying. Fair play always has its
reward, even when the game is lost. Playing fair earns …respect, while
cheating only brings shame. Remember: it is only a game. And games are
pointless unless played fairly.”

hm, shouldn’t fifa inforce this? to have the balls and say that the game should be played again becuase henry cheated and it is too important to resolve like this? basically what they say is it is ok to cheat. fuckin cunts..

the thing that also bugs me is that henry admitted that he cheated?!?!
what the fuck! he admitted the crime! he’s fuckin laughing at the system. he admits, and nothing happens.

and to say that henry acted on reflexes is just idiotic. so his reflex is to cheat? well what can you expect from a (former) arsenal player…

henry is going to find out that this will haunt him for a while. i really hope that he’s going to get shit for this for a long time.

UNITED RELATED!!!!!!

What is this about Rio gonna be out till the new year?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1229171/Rio-Ferdinand-2010–injured-Manchester-United-England-ace-miss-15-matches-return.html

So anyway, Everton at home on Saturday, half 5 kick off, could do with a convincing win really to state the mind smashingly obvious.

text my mate last night just after it happened. something along the lines of cheating cunt etc etc. he text back simply: “i hope him and his family dies”. ok, a tad over the top, but i thought it was fucking hilarious.

henry is a cunt. guardian did a great article –

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/nov/19/thierry-henry-handball-france-ireland

i sincerely hope someone does his knees in before the world cup. any time before it. just end the cunts career. for some of those boys getting to the world cup would have been the pinnacle of their career. he robbed them and my nation of as big a feeling and swell of pride and jubilation as is possible to imagine. we go out, but with our heads held high. would have been easy for one of the boys to lose the rag and deck the checking cunt. would have been easy for andrews to lose it and give diarra all that he deserved, right there in the fucking cruciate. i can only admire their reticence and willpower. i could never have kept my cool or my sanity or my boot out of henry’s smug cunt face.

bastard. absolute bastard.

@ the savage

LMFAO! Funniest thing I’ve seen in a long time!

A little perspective:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/gabriele_marcotti/11/19/wc.qualifying/index.html?eref=sihp

thierry handry is the biggest cunt of all time, wiki post was hilarious brightened the mood a bit but irishred#1 is spot on, the players are most undone by this cunt

Chin up irishred#1, not easy to do when something like this happens, I’d buy you a pint if you were nearby (The Toucan off Soho Square), which is what I’m off to do with a couple of Irish lads I work with in a moment. it is especially sad for the players, I thought they played well with a lot of heart, I imagine they’ll get one hell of a cheer the next time they play.

jandsdad
haha very good!
@saoruladh (free ulster)
i see your back, the one person i would like to laugh right in thier face about last night it would be you! so here it goes hahahahahahah fucking hahahahaha!

So all the Irish players are cheats too, since almost all of them have came out and said they’d do the same in Henry’s position. Face it, thats what football is about these days, unfortunately. Everyone tries to trick refs.

Raising your hand to claim a corner kick when its obviously a goal kick is cheating just as much as diving. You’re conning the ref and winning a goalscoring opportunity.

Same goes to a defender “diving” when he sheparding the ball out of the play.

You have to be much more objective. Its the refs fault. They’re responsible for everything that happens.

i did mate but i do feel for the roi, if that had happened to our wee country i dont know what i would have done!

well im away out for a few Kronenbourgs!! catch yas later!

@ Pat

You lot are like a dog with a fucking bone!

Why does it bother you so much what Manchester United supporters think about Arsenal and it’s former players? I know you like to think you’re setting us straight, but you’re not. You’re showing yourself to be a partisan twat who clearly knows nothing about the game of football beyond the ridiculous, ill-informed, conspiracy theories circulated by a bunch of spoilt children who throw their toys out of the pram whenever they don’t get their own way and who, quite frankly, seems to have far too much on his hands.

I have never been to an Arsenal website; never wanted to! Why? Because I have no interest in the opinions of deluded hedge-fund managers who want to play football supporter because they’ve read a book written by a former hooligan and who think that being based is a des-res area of London makes Arsenal superior to the rest of the footballing world.

Coming onto the sites of the big boys and getting up our noses might get you noticed but it still doesn’t make you relevant. You’re pathetic little rants won’t change the fact that all of your best players will fuck off to a bigger club first chance they get, or the fact that, despite being based in one of the most densely populated cities in the developed world, you still can’t fill a stadium with a capacity of only 60,000 even when you sell tickets to Japanese tourists for 10 quid a pop.

Take your tweedy impertinence somewhere where it would be more appreciated. Surely there’s a wine bar where you and the rest of your “gooner” chums could go to discuss the upcoming season at the Royal Opera House or what your plans are for next years Henley Regatta.

Pat.. 1 your a twat….. 2 Henry is also a twat… 3 fuck off you twat

Redbeard, how about you usew your intellect and try to prove me wrong? What was bias in what I said smart guy?

I’m only 18 but I know a lot about football. I supported football before I supported Arsenal and I’m usually not bias unlike my fellow gooners. I plan to manage amateur teams and I have a dream of actually getting a job in football and I rate my chances, personally. I’m not good enough to be professional, but I sure as hell know a lot about the game.

It doesnt matter where one writes. So, are you capable of having an intellectual argument or will you continue to spur your useless shit?

Up to you mate.

Our best players fuck off to different clubs eh mate? Learn a thing or 2. Our system makes mediocre players into much better ones. Obviously Vieira and Henry don’t go into that category, but no player has done well after leaving us. Oh yea, cause Ade is banging in goals atm, right? So once again, our best players struggle when they leave.

What does our stadium, fans, etc have to do with the argument at hand? How old are you? Certainly younger than me unless you’re a complete dumbass.

Why can’t United fans be civilized like GHTT? Seriously.

@ Pat
So what your saying is If you do something once then you should not be labeled as a perpetrator of that act only if they do it persistanly.
For example, if and this is a big if, Thierry Henry was caught molesting a horse but he stated that he had only done it the once would it not be ok for people to call him a horse botherer.

Could i get some clarification on the rules?

Pat – Who cares mate that you play football and want to manage? Certainly nobody on here. You come on to a UNited site and slag our idol Rooney off then wonder why you are getting abuse. I have forgotten more about football than you will ever know.

@ Pat

“I’m only 18 but I know a lot about football.” – Saying it doesn’t make it true! And nobody asked for your life story you attention starved little prick!

“Our system makes mediocre players into much better ones… no player has done well after leaving us.” That wasn’t my point! My point was that they all leave first chance they get because they all view your piss-ant little club as a stepping stone to bigger things!

“It doesnt matter where one writes.” Yes, it does. None of us want to read your opinion – we don’t care what you think!

“What does our stadium, fans, etc have to do with the argument at hand?” Your delusions of grandeur seem to have led you to the erroneous conclusion that your opinion matters to us. It doesn’t! I was trying to make you aware of the fact that your club is insignificant to us and all your bitching and whining won’t change that.

“How old are you?” what does that have to do with the argument at hand? But, since you asked, I’m old enough to be your father and going by those telephone calls I keep getting from your mum…

You don’t get it, do you? We don’t care what you think. We are not interested in your opinion. How can I make this any clearer?

Now get off too bed, it’s a school night!

I dont know if any one has mentioned it but for FIFA it just makes more money sense to get france to the wc. I mean think about the french companies who are the sponsors of various fifa events, think about the TV money thats involved. To be honest a lot more people will see a france vs protrugal match than ireland vs greece. Thats whats the thinking when platini gives his instructions to the ref that france has to qualify no matter what.
I think the game of football is in crisis, everyday in any tournament big or small we see major mistakes by refs and the other officials. I dont know why the linesman did not spot this. Still there is nothing done to change that, no new technology, no new stricter law.How long will this last, how much will it spoil our beloved game.
I am no international footballer but what would I tell my son when he asks me if I did handle the ball and then claim a goal from it, what will I tell myself.
I guess to be successful international footballer you have to be a cheat.
Henry has conceded that he did handle the ball(as if with all the TV replays he could deny it), my question is how could he run around and celebrate after that. At least if he would have had a subdued celebration it would have shown that he has remorse for his dreadful act.
I am an Indian, but I feel terrible for the Irish, but if there is anything called justice I hope it is done, against the those cheating BASTARDS.

Also RedBeard, if Arsenal was insignificant to you, then why does this site often have articles about Arsenal.

Like this one, for example: “Once an ARsenal player, always an Arsenal player”. Thats a bit obsessive, no? I believe so.

Funny though, the only player, current or ex who they could get to slate Henry was the Burnley keeper… Who ever he is? While the Burnley manager and loads others said he aint a cheat…

I thought it was bad earlier, now it is really quite vicious. Thing is, Sky dont give a shit about Ireland, it aint about that at all, its more about prolongin the xenophobia about foreigners, and you know they want the contract for the video refs!

Had it been England-Ireland and Rooney had done the same thing, SKY would be saying, “these things happen in football and will continue if no steps are taken to stop it…”

Every Irish player knows they’d do the same thing and are refusing to call Henry a cheat. He did an atrocious thing, but we see things like this every week.

@ Pat

The petty nonsense you’ve been bothering us with all day is hardly a shining beacon of maturity.

Repeating crap you read off the internet and pulling trivia facts out of your arse does not mean you “know a lot about football”.

I didn’t say I wasn’t interested in opinions, I said I wasn’t interested in YOUR opinion! Why? because you are an Arsenal fan and what other club’s fans think of my club means nothing to me. My love for Manchester United is not based on the opinions of others. You think Rooney is a cheat – I don’t care! If the fact that I don’t need other people to agree with me or tell me what to think makes me small-minded, then so be it.

You, on the other hand, seem desperate to bring us round to your way of thinking. Why do you need us to validate your opinions? Why are you so insecure?

Seeing as you’re only 18 I am gonna cut you a break and give you some advice. Nobody likes you! All this crap you’ve been writing on here today, that’s why you’ve got no friends and why girls won’t go out with you. You’re a snotty impertinent little turd and that’s not the kind of person people want to be friends with. Why aren’t you posting on an Arsenal blog? Because they all hate you too, right?

You should really learn to know when you’re not wanted.

knightsmith, he cheated at times, no denying that but at least he lookd for contact.

Something like Giggs vs. Pienaar in stoppage time a few seasons ago. Giggs saw his leg, it was walking pace into the box. He “conveniently” tripped over it. Pires did it more than Giggs, I will admit. I’m not a bias cunt.

saoru, liar + cheat = CUNT, eh?

Rooney: “I never dive”. He dives a few games later, so he lies as well. SO, Rooney = CUNT by your logic?

Brilliant mate. Thinks things over before you post them. That made you look like a complete idiot and hypocrite.

CR cheated and lied.
Fletcher nd SAF said Fletch didn’t foul Arshavin when everyone saw he did, an he handled the ball as well. SO they’re cunts too? I’m only basing this on your logic mate. Thankfully, I don’t think like you.

mara, I don’t recall any gaffs in the Slovenia-Russia game. I was hoping Russia would go through, but tough luck.

No controversy in the Bosnia-Portugal game and probably 80% of the world wanted Bosnia to win!

Ireland were cheated out of it, but happens to many teams. We all can’t just sit there and feel sorry for them. Australia vs. Italy was even worse.

The real controversy begins if France were to win the world cup. That’d be interesting. A little bit like Milan winning the CL a few seasons ago after originally being banned.

Henry = CUNT… il be supporting engerland in june so, only way il feel abit of justice if england win the world cup cause we all know it would get a sepp and platini, cheating cunts…, fairplay what a load of bolox…

England will win fuck all, I can tell you that much. Portugal looked in trouble, but it seems that Queiroz has found a good balance. I really expected Bosnia to give them trouble but they were always in control. That may also be due to the fact that Misimovic was out.

In Bosnia game…was stoping game all the time by the reff…also…They didnt play well eonough and didn t have luck, but…reff is alway s do the job.

@ Pat

Why are you contradicting yourself?
In an earlier post @ 20:24 you state “I think it is unfair to label rooney or henry a cheat” but then when trying to argue a point with saoruladh you basically label rooney a cheat and a liar so equating him to a cunt.
Your arguments seem to be a fluctuating and therefore seem to only show that you were only trying to gain support for yourself on this blog by not fully calling rooney a cheat.

Your never got back to me on whether hypothetically Henry could be called a horse molester.

Wenger breeds cheats
Pires, Eduardo, Fabregas, Lehmann, Henry, Anelka, Wreh, Lauren, Eboue, Rosicky are all divers and cheaters

@ pat. i had no input or comment to make on you or your consistent baiting of others on this thread. i was making a single comment of my own and there was no overlap into your funny little world where its ok to be a cheating bastard.

i guess its just something you learn to live with, being an arsenal fan. but, since you baited me also, against my better judgement and every ounce of reason in me telling me to ignore you, i shall answer.

there is a MAJOR difference in someone saying something and doing something with 3 weeks inbetween. henry came out last night, straight after the game and denied several times that he deliberately handled the ball, when it was clear for the whole world to see. it was a bare faced lie directly after the incident.

when united players dive, i hate it. when nani goes over like a sack of spuds, he gets a rollicking from SAF because its just not how we play the game. united fans, for all how we loved ronaldo, we were also often embarrassed with his conduct. rooney, well, he goes down too easy at times also. and yea, rooney’s a bit of a cunt at times. its the scouse in him. he’s young. he’s learning. when its time enough for him to be united captain, we’ll have trained it out of him.

you say im a hypocrite and an idiot. but my friend your lack of any coherence and fairly weak grasp of the english language and its rules of grammar would infer that it is you, friend, that is the idiot.

not only did that dirty bastard rob us blind last night through his cheating, but he then had the gall and the disrespect to further insult my country and its people by lying through his teeth.

LYING. CHEATING. CUNT

Pat Said,November 19th, 2009 @21:11 England will win fuck all, I can tell you that much.

Kid, you know nothing about football. Please, for the sake of our previously enlightening & equally entertaining convo, just don’t come back. As much as I’m enjoying these lads ripping you to shreds (and still? NOONE agreeing with you) you need to learn how unimportant you are to MOST of the world. We all are. That’s Life lesson No1.

You will not agree with anyone about anything on this site! Period!
So stop trying.. This ain’t the ‘Hampstead Debate Club’ or the ‘Arguing in English Masterclass For Polish people’. It’s a United blog.

all you gooners, why the hell are you all coming on here to defend the name of a man who left you for greener pastures? just like lil fab is gonna do when arsenal win fuck all again….

andy, even as a gooner, surely you must be able to see that the instances of cheating and cheaters do seem to be more prolific and more consistent within arsenal. moreso than any other club in the premiership. maybe its not wenger, maybe its just the breed of players he has signed.

maybe as a united fan i am just blind to any instances of united players cheating, but i really dont think it happens anywhere near as much. and when it does, it sickens me, it makes my mother and brother’s argument that football is just a game for cheats and liars.

i read somewhere today: “So this is football now? Cheat until you get caught? This is acceptable? That’s not a sport worth watching.”

i have to say i agree.

oh. and henry is a cunt.
as united fan, i had a begrudged respect for a great footballer.

as an irishman, i hate the CUNT. cheating lying cunt.

Andy @ Arsenal FC Blog Said,November 19th, 2009 @23:23 @ AntiWenger – And United have never cheated? Give me a break.

Fuck off! We know everyone has cheated in their lives… blah blah…

fact is, United has more Irish fans than any other prem team. So they are discussing it from their perspective.. the club comparisons started (funnily enough) when ‘gooners’ started coming on here with their, ‘what about rooney… blergh CR.. bleet..’
Not one Frenchman has commented, only overly protective ‘Gooners’ over a player who couldn’t give 2 shits about your lot anymore. This is Ireland vs France. Most United fans posting are Irish. What are you???

Tip:go back to Arsewank FC Bog and think up something to write so ‘your lot’ have something ‘intellectual’ to read rather than coming here to bore the life out of us!

Yey!! Pat has come to a conclusion!! This may spell the end of this sad little twat.

@ Pat

now you have just shown yourself up to be the childish mummies special soldier that you are.

I simply pointed out the inconsistancy in your extremely flawed argument and the best you can come back with is “Your too thick”

You sure are a delicate genius.I reckon your about 11 or 12 years old.
Are you looking forward to your next open day with the junior gooners?

saoruladh (free fuck all)
here someone give me a hand i think ive caught a big one here!!! biting like fuck so you are, so fucking what if you can type bigger words than me you twat. ill give you the biggest here – Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious – does that make me more aware of english grammer because i typed in mary popins into google and got this up?? you say hooligans from Northern Ireland but if you dont know already we are officially the best fans in europe mate, not like you sad fucks wishing death on henry and his family, which you said yourself was “hillarious” the only thing i find funny is your existence as a human being..

“not like you sad fucks wishing death on henry and his family”

Ulster Red

I’m not siding with either of you but the case of Neil Lennon springs to mind which was only seven years ago? Seriously it is not worth anyone going down that route. Kiss and make up, the two of you.

brett, this guy is incapable of seeing anything from anyone else’s point of view. he is bigoted and intolerant, as i incontrovertibly proved in our last public slanging match.

the fact that he says gibson is a sectarian bigot just says it all.

nope, it really isn’t. but i bite everytime. always thinking maybe he’l actually see the ludicrousness of what he says. never has, never will.

he thinks im sectarian because of my username. he’s a long way off. its just about the only irish i know, and ive just used the name for years because its rather difficult to come up with something witty or memorable (something il always remember). and so its stuck.

but he googled it last time and tried to use it as a big stick to beat me with. but with arguments as weak as his, its just never really a problem to come away from it comfortable in my own being.

he’s very much a sort of life-affirmation……at least im not as dumb as that.

He used to be a cheater as he usually goes to the ground very easily to
get a free kick or a penalty, but it is as if he has added another way how how to cheat by playing volley ball in a football match. Born cheater,
Die cheater.

http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/national-football/Beckham-backs-39cheat39-Henry.5842820.jp?

@ Pat

Why are you still here? go away!

@ Jandsdad

Some might say a chronic mess debater!

Some really healthy,balanced people commenting on this thread
ex-Arsenal player Henry cheated playing for France. How the hell has this turned into a United Arsenal row? He has not played for us for 3 seasons, when he did play for us he was almost a model pro. He has performed two outrageous acts of cheating in his career, once the other night and once in the last world cup I believe. In both instances he was NOT playing for Arsenal, some of you people need to get a life. Spitting bile on an internet site can’t be good for you.

@ Gooner77

If you want “healthy, balanced” comment I suggest you go and discuss the most recent production of La Boheme with the rest of the chaps from the rowing club. As we have been trying to tell you and the rest of the hunting set for the last two days, this is A MANCHESTER UNITED BLOG FOR MANCHESTER UNITED SUPPORTERS. Your selective version of revisionist history has no place here.

Are some of our comments biased? probably, but what would you expect from A MANCHESTER UNITED BLOG FOR MANCHESTER UNITED SUPPORTERS? But it’s interesting that you only seem to take exception to the comments made by United fans – you don’t seem to have any problems with the fallacies and half-truths being parroted by your stock-broker chums. Why is that?

“some of you people need to get a life. Spitting bile on an internet site can’t be good for you” Seeing as you have taken time out of your day to register and comment on A MANCHESTER UNITED BLOG FOR MANCHESTER UNITED SUPPORTERS, I would suggest that you are the one with too much time on his hands but maybe that’s just because the London Symphony Orchestra is on tour, right? Do they not teach irony at Eton?

@ Gooner77

I am not angry at all! I am just really really tired of reading all of this crap from you and your mates.

I still think the fact that you come to a Man United site and make posts about how people need to get a life means you are in far greater need of getting a life than the people you criticised. You asked “How the hell has this turned into a United Arsenal row?” The answer is simple – plastic, insecure Arsenal fans like you who are obsessed with what other people think of their club so they have to come to other clubs sites and spout their bollocks. This became a “row” because you lot won’t let anything lie.

Why do you think we want to hear your opinion?

“I’ve come on this board several times in the past and engaged in good banter with decent Man Utd fans, who unlike you, realise that genuine fan rivalry should go on in and around the ground ” So the fact that my hatred is permanent means I am not genuine? If you switch you rivalries on and off like a light switch then that only further proves my point that Arsenal have the most plastic fan base in football.

If I’m not supposed to run my mouth behind a computer screen that kinda invalidates this whole venture, doesn’t it?

Anyway, have fun at the polo!

@ King Eric

Morning, mate.

You have to admit he also talks a lot of bollocks:
“when he did play for us he was almost a model pro”

David Beckham has just been booted out of the legends list of Manchester United, by backing Thierry THE CHEAT Henry after that handball.

@Gooner77 lol are you getting disturbed by my comment? I didnt mention Arsenal, and I certainly didnt mean to relate Henry with Arsenal. If you are feeling insulted by my comment, then just go away. Naming Rooney just for the sake of naming any United player is a pathetic reaction you know, when you have have Eboue and Eduardo now…

I’m not disturbed by your comment at all. In case you hadn’t noticed I’m not seeking to engage in any tit for tat arguments between Arsenal and United fans. Did you not read my comment? I said there is no moral high ground to be had here from any fan from any club, regardless of the fact that nothing you or I say on an internet forum has any bearing on what goes on in the mind of a footballer during a high pressure game, EVERY player is coached by his manager to work the ref. I mentioned Rooney as an example because his name was flying about from Gooners on here. Eduardo dived!!! Yes of course he did, he’s a striker was in the box and the keeper went for him, nearly every striker in the premier league does the same. Whether it is right or not is a different matter. Admittedly certain players are worse than others, Eboue has long been an embarassment to Arsenal fans with his diving as was Pires. My point is that every team has them Gerrard has dived for Liverpool, Ronaldo has dived for you. IT HAPPENS week in week out and I repeat, there is no moral high ground to be had.
What is hard to understand about that?

@ Gooner77

“Eduardo dived!!! Yes of course he did, he’s a striker was in the box and the keeper went for him”

Of course he did? Of course..? You know, he could have NOT dived! Has watching Arsenal twisted your mind that much?

Gooner77

You do seem like a reasonable person but you still misunderstand your own presence here as what Manchester United fans are telling you is that there is a moral high ground and we have it.

@Brett Honestly I really don’t know how any set of fans can claim to have moral high ground over another, I really don’t. Either way I’m not coming on here to defend Arsenal or attack United as I previously mentioned. Any issues of morality should stick with the individual anyway, like I would not claim responsibility for the actions of any player at my club ( how could I possibily) nor would I take responsibility for many of the idiots that I regulary come across who support the same team as me. I don’t believe anyone should and nor would I defend someone with blind loyalty.

@Redbeard Your view is one eyed and blinkered. We’ve had dirty players, we’ve had players that dive etc etc I don’t say it as a matter of course like I have come to accept it, a good few years before Wenger arrived we also had a massive brawl at your ground, that had nothing to do with him. Viera dirty? Yes maybe sometimes but players in that position are always likely to get more sendings off that others, Roy Keane was hardly an angel either and Scholes has had his fair share of incidents. Fletcher also knows hw to handle himself, does this make him a cheat? No he is playing his position and he is doing what he is paid for. Our tactics are no more sly or vicious than your teams or many others. Objectivity is lacking here.

@cantona7

Honestly I’m really not getting emotional about this. With regard to football I save my emotions for the games, winning,losing and the subsequent feelings. Ireland vs France does not feature on my emotional radar but I accept it does for Irish fans of Man United AND Arsenal. My comments are objective and you have totally misread/misunderstood what I’ve written.

@ Gooner77

Yes objectivity is lacking, but not from me.

Why is my view one eyed and blinkered? Because I have a different opinion from you? I never said Keano, Scholes or Fletch were guilt free – you keep trying to put words in my mouth. Paul Scholes has had more than his fair share of bookings/sendings off but that’s because he can’t tackle to save his life but keeps trying. Fletch “knows how to handle himself”? That’s a good thing for a central midfielder, but dirty? No! That’s just a story made up by your manager to cover up for the fact that the Woolwich Ballet Company can’t hack the physical side of the game – and you lap it up!

Compare this to a nasty, viscous coward who likes to play the hard man until he comes up against a real one:

Anyway, you’re comparing apples and oranges. Getting a bit overzealous in midfield is a completely different kettle of fish to the sly cheating tactics that have come to characterise your team for anyone who sees through all that nonsense about your “beautiful football”.

@ cantona7

“If you want this to stop being a MU vs Arsenal thing, then YOU should go away from here first. Because this is a Manchester United blog.”

Here Here!

Wow, there’s a hell of a lot of bile flying round on this thread. I think what Henry did was despicable and should remain with him as a stain on his reputation for ever but I’m shocked at some of the abuse being hurled round here as a spin-off. Why are United fans tearing at each other’s throats like this? I’m particularly amazed to see the vituperative attacks on Costas and GHTT, two of the best, most entertaining and well-informed posters on this site. Is it really impossible to disagree, even passionately , without this kind of shit? I’m all for some tasty no-holds barred arguments, but calling people cunts or telling them to fuck off does very little to make this a ‘Must Read’ site. As an example of how to do it, I agree with a lot of what Redbeard is saying about Arsenal.He stood his ground and crafted some well-expressed arguments against Gooner77 (who’s always welcome in my book, even if I sometimes disagree with him), and it’s so so much more effective and readable than yet more ‘fuck offs’.

@ Gooner77

You really are not the open minded figure you like to think you are. You keep referring to objective argument but you haven’t really made one. True, every team has their cheats but we are not talking about absolutes. We are dealing with degrees of culpability and it is clear that Arsenal are far more culpable. If we follow your logic, I can’t condemn a rapist because I once got a speeding ticket. You can’t see that because you are just as biased as those you criticise.

You’ve been trying to bring us around to your way of thinking for the past couple of hours. Every time you make a post and somebody points out your talking bollocks you claim that they have missed your point – maybe you should learn to right more clearly! Now, because your pseudo-intellectualism hasn’t worked, you try to be condescending about my “pantomime hatred”. If anything has been “pantomime” it has been your half-arsed attempts at appeasement.

Not being swayed by your feeble attempts at persuasion does not mean objective argument is beyond me, nor does it mean I am prejudiced, it just means I can think for myself – you should try it some time! Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean I don’t understand you. That’s your problem, you see – you can’t even countenance the fact that you might be wrong. Probably that famous Arsenal arrogance!

As for being “rude with no fear of the consequences”, you’re right that is one of the advantages of the internet – just like being able to make thinly veiled threats without any fear of having to back them up (twice)!

Anyway, seriously? You’re going? FINALLY!!!

It is nice to know that Henry thinks it would be fair to have a replay and feels sorry for the Irish.

Just when I thought he couldn’t dig the hole any deeper, he still thinks people will listen to what he thinks is fair. It is you I feel sorry for Thierry.

is this still ragin, replay the damn game and tie everyones hands behind their back

Pat

What has Keane’s view of “what goes around comes around” got to do with the points you are trying to prove previously in this topic. That was a reference to John Delaney and the FAI going back to 2002 and Roy Keanes treatment at the world cup. Did you support Keane’s stance back then? I’ll bet you didn’t. What has the Georgia penalty got to do with the opinion of Manchester United fans about a culture of cheating at Arsenal? It may be hypocritical of Irish fans but not United fans.

You’ve been caught contradicting yourself in this topic already and now you are asking people to believe that you think Keane is a legend and implying that you support his stance on the administration of Irish football. Stop bluffing.

Another mint comic @ Studs up

http://www.studs-up.com/2009/11/this-one-goes-right-to-the-top/

This is another instance that shows how badly video replay is needed.
When the stakes are so high and after two years of qualifying things like this can’t be allowed to happen.
It’s bad for football. It’s bad for sport in general

ridiculous gif game with henry hahahah

http://www.jeu-de-main.com/

Hope you read the most recent interview with RedBeard:

1. He’s a clueless cunt
2. Pat knows more about manchester United than he does
3. He sleeps with his sister

nothing will happen, as both henry and platini are frenchmen. yes henry cheated, but a number of players would probably have done the same for their national team to win. still, henry should be banned for the group stages of the WC.