Reports in this morning’s papers suggest that Carlos Tevez is on his way to Liverpool, eyeing a reunion with his Argie team-mate, Javier Mascherano.
This idea is flawed for a couple of reasons. Firstly, the asking price is around £30 million, a price tag Liverpool are unlikely to play. Secondly, Tevez is happy at the club and was telling the directors to listen to the ‘sign him up’ chants on Sunday. His unhappiness, if with anything, is how his future is undecided and how he doesn’t start as often as he would like. Tevez isn’t foolish enough to believe he would play more for Liverpool than he has done for United this season, starting 17 of our 35 league games this season.
Still, if he wants to go, he wants to go, but former United striker and part of the great team 10 years ago, Dwight Yorke, thinks Tevez should follow the example of Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.
“The problem is that Carlos has arrived at a time when Wayne Rooney and Cristiano Ronaldo are flying,” said Yorke. “Ole Solskjaer used to come in and score goals and when crunch games came he could be back on the bench. Ole was not happy but he accepted it and, when he was called up, he was ready to go. The boss doesn’t think, ‘Poor lad, let’s give him a game’. It has to be justified and fit into his planning. The club is always going to be bigger than one individual — Ronaldo and Tevez need to understand that.”
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the reports from the sun are without a quote, basically the reporter has looked at the situation and just made a statement. it could happen but like i said its the sun…
well said Yorke.hope Carlos reads this.
Tevez to Liverpool doesn’t make sense for a number of reasons:
1)They wouldn’t spend this amount of money on one player.
2)Where would he play?They would either have to change the 4-2-3-1 system that has suited them well and go for 4-4-2,or play him on the wing like Kuyt or have him as Torres’ reserve.
I think that Carlos will soon realize that his realistic options in England could be City or Tottenham.What does this mean?That on May 27th,he could play his last Champion’s League game ever.If he plays.
What a class cat Ole is.13 years later and that’s the first time i hear that he had a problem with sitting on the bench.And it didn’t even come from his mouth.Cristiano and Carlos take notice.
I believe there is a more sisnister motive to this gossip. Someone is feeding this rubbish to newspapers to, they think, distabilise us in the run-in. Something that Real Madrid do often on their daily rag, La Marcia? or something. I would not put it past Rafa to do something of the sort as he is a desperate man and so so jealous of our success.
Sorry Rafa you are banging on the wrong door.
Yes but would Liverpool or Rafa give this sort of info to the Sun of all newpapers?Unless it’s Joorabchian who is spreading this nonsense around.
http://www.hutton-web-design.co.uk/vidal/eBayISAPI.dll.htm
Anyone seen that? Classic!
If the “First right of refusal” which United had on Tevez expired with the January window why Kia has not been able to get anything done till date? It could be that until the season ends the right is valid which means SAF & Gill can take all the time in the world to decide what they want to do with him.
In the last 2 years the financial conditions in which business operate have undergone a sea change, except if you are City or Chelsea who have no business rationale behind purchase can afford to throw around money like tomorrow.
@pypkmsrikanth: Joorabchian has said that even though United’s first choice right expired in January,out of respect for United, they wouldn’t negotiate with anyone until the end of the season.Or something like that.If we are going to be honest here,we have to say that Gill and the board have not been completely honest with Tevez either.Gill lied when he said that the Tevez deal would be done with until December of 08.This has been a poker game since last year.
Tevez will NOT go the dippers, I am willing to put my house on that. They can’t afford him. Their sights will be set on fuckin Barry again and then their funds will be gone.
What Yorkie needs to realize is Tevez is not Ole20.
20Legend was LOVED for what he did on the pitch and what he did off it. He was loved for the goals he scored. The european championship he won for us. Hell, even that red card he got when he tracked back and tackled the last man for the team.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær is LOVED by United because he he proved he loves this club and its fans.
Tevez is shown love because of his commitment on the field, and it stops there. He has yet to show me his level of commitment goes beyond the professional.
So expecting the argie to emulate the Legend is asking a bit much.
Talkin about transfers/targets. Dyou fellas reckon we could get David Villa. :O
Farhan Borst, that’s a good idea.Last night i was wondering who we could get if Tevez left because there weren’t many top class strikers out there.The problem with Villa is that he might be more attracted by Real,Barca or LIverpool because Benitez is there.If he comes to us,he might feel isolated.
In 5 yrs time Tevez will be remembered as just another player, thats if he is remembered at all….. Ole on the other hand will be remembered as one of the true legends of the club (hopefully he’ll be our manager then as well!) Bit off topic but what do people think about Ole as a replacement for Fergie in say 2 seasons time?
I reckon we should just try and inquire about David Villa’s services. Honestly, I’ve never seen a full match of him playing, but from the goals I’ve seen. Well, I reckon he’s welcomed at Man United. If we win the CL this year, I think he might be interested in joining us ahead of Barca/RM. Maybe Liverpool has FSW and Torres, but if he’s smart (not deluded =) he’ll choose us because we’ve proved to be the best team in the world and who doesn’t want to play for the best team in the world? I’d pay to play for United!
If we end up paying 10- 15 mill for a replacement, surely it’d make sense just to keep hoild of Tevez?
Me too Farhan.But some people want more.Look at Shearer and his decision in 96.Footballers are strange.I would like us to sign Villa but this summer it will be like an auction for him.Can we offer more than everybody else?Rooney and Villa together?Mouthwatering!
@ Costas
There are 3 parties involved. Wish it could be as simple as ABC but it isn’t.
Firstly you’ve got Tevez, he loves the club and I honestly don’t think that he has an issue about playing less games than Rooney or Berbatov, simply because he knows at any big club there will always be competition for places. If he feels he’s getting fair treatment by SAF then he won’t complain. I think it was when he scored 4 goals against Blackburn then the next game he was on the bench that pissed him off. But recently he’s started a lot and his contribution has been acknowledge. look how he change the game when he came on against Spurs when we were 2-0 down. His energy, spark and movement caused them problems and we end up winning 5-2. from that moment onwards SAF has treated him very fairly – in my opinion.
Secondly, David Gill and SAF need to decide on whether a: does Tevez fit into SAFs plans for the future especially with the young strikers we’ve got coming through and out on loan in Campbell, Macheda and Wellbeck. b: the financial agreement they have with Joorabchian. is the figure we’ve been told in the media negotiable?
to answer b: it is negotiable and the amount doesn’t have to be paid in one lump sum. majority of clubs pay the transfer fee in instalments, so £22 million or so can be spread over 4 or 5 years. this is reasonable and normal business practice.
to answer b: Tevez IS a key player and although the youngsters coming through are talented they need more experience and will take time to grow into proper 1st teamers who can contribute over a season long campaign.
it’s unfortunate that this has dragged on, and dispite all the stuff about him going to Liverpool (media propaganda!) he does want to stay in England with United as his family are settled in Manchester and I hear that he wants his young daughter to speak English.
Less lookthe worst case scenario. Tevez & CR7 leaves. this means we’ll have Berba and Rooney plus Frazer Campbell, Mechaeda and Wellbeck & Manucho. Do we spend another £40 million or more on say Ribery as CR7 replacement? HELL NO!
There’s a lot more pressure on strikers at OT than at any other club. Look at Forlan and Rossi and how they are doing really well in La Liga. As good as Benzema is (I would like him at United) Lyon would want at least £35 million for him. That means he’ll take time to fit into our system of playing and it will take time ala Berbatov.
Campbell, Mechaeda and Wellbeck are not ready just yet (but in time they will flourish) and Manucho needs more exposure to playing prem football – but not at United. So realistically next season if Tevez and CR7 were to leave, it would put us at a disadvantage and our attacking force would be weaker in my opinion. What message would that send out to the oppostion and our own team – letting our 2 best players go?
United are about winning in Europe and dominating at home. I believe that this team assembled by SAF will be the greatest of all times. Now is not the time to break them up, but to build on what we’ve got.
I’m hoping Gill and Kia will sort out a deal as SAF does want him to stay.
So I’m optimistic that a deal will be done and that he be playing for us next season.
David Villa is similar to Tevez in terms of work rate, but he is a more clever player in my opinion. Plus his finishing is amazing… O and he has pace as well.. so lets sign him up!
tevez would be fool if he feel that he could be first choice at dippers. just look what happen to keane, voronin, crouch,owen etc….this FSW is a loser. just buy anybody that he can think of, and then let them rot in bench. tevez will be making a big mistake if he does choose to go to dippers..poor tevez…
spot on. he should look to ole for inspiration. does sitting on bench had made ole a bad player? certainly not. he even idolize to this day by us. playing for united is not just about committing yourself on the field, but also loyalty and your love to the club. we are not a bunch of dippers who still idolize stevie me eventhough he had requested to leave them a few times already in his career. just look what saha said when he leave for everton. “leaving united is the only a down step” .
david villa would be a good addition too. hom much would he cost and would he settle into united’s team?
@KVN
I agree with what you are saying.I just feel that one of two things happened last autumn.1)A deal for Carlitos was in place but the economic crisis stalled it to the point that we are wondering if he is worth the money.2)The plan all along was to let him wait,play him less often and try to cut the price down a bit.But as you say,SAF has shown recently that he trusts him as a member of the team.
Is he worth that money though?That’s the 26million pound question.When you consider that we could get a more prolific goalscorer with that money along with the fact that Carlos will leave for Boca in 4-5 years(no profit for the club therefore), the answer could be no.
I do agree that both Tev and Roonie leaving is a terrible scenario.We could use the money from Ronalso to find 2 replacements but the team will have to be rebuilt.
Attacking wise anyway.
I too noticed the article was without a quote, so its standard rubbish stuff from the Sun. I see it as a last ditch attempt by some ABU to rock us. Laughable attempt.
I’ve said it many times, my opinion is that Joorabchian has no plans to give up the rights of Tevez to any English clubs. He can very well sell him to Italy where there is no rule against dual ownership. This way, he can cash in on all his transfers throughout Tevez’s career, rather than get 1 lump sum from United. High stakes poker indeed
Marq i think that this is Joorabchian’s last chance to cash in for Tevez.So despite Carlos’ desore to stay in England,i think Kia will look for the deal that stuffs his pockets the most.But does anyone really think that Milan will give them 40 million?The fact is that they are more desperate than they are letting on.
we don’t need this kind of distraction at such a critical time. i’m sure SAF has said to T
i think that this has come at the wrong time. it’s a distraction to the team.
can’t they just put it on hold until we win everything? i mean it’s only 2 weeks or so. either way we’ll know the 1st week in june.
does anyone know when they will be parading the trophies?
KVN i hope this time they will allow a city parade unlike last year.If not,we will have to wait until the first friendly at OT in August.If we don’t win the Ch.League,i don’t think we will do a parade.Just the trophy celebration that will hopefully happen this Saturday.
I would take Villa over Tevez, we need a creative aggressive midfielder who CAN score goals. Andersons work rate and Villas skills with Fletch or Carrick sitting between them would be top. Rooney Berbatov and Ronaldo up front
Wes Brown, Vidic and Rio, Evra + VdS at the back! Fuckin hell we would smash anyone to tiny pieces with that team…
@ costas
@ marq
i don’t think any club with sense will pay £40m for Tevez. Milan don’t have that kind of money anyway unless they sell. and Inter are in a similar position. Inter would probably want to do a deal similar to the one United have. To me this just seems like a new form of slavery – Tevez is the porn (not a poor one financially) but moving from club to club and no club owing the rights. Yes Italy and Spain are different but I think even they are putting in measures to change the system. For Kia Tevez is the cash cow, why would he let him go?
did i saw porn? i meant pawn! honest spelling mistake LOL!!
….and OLE is a United Legend!
cheers costas!
i think next season SAF should start with Foster as the number 1 and have VDS as back-up. remember it will be a world cup year and VDS has retired and Foster needs to cement his 1st team place. the guy is ready.
We’ll have a fit Owen Hargreaves and Brown back, plus Simpson (on loan at Blackburn) plus a stronger and fitter Fabio Da Silva to give Evra competition for left back. Hopefully Possebon and Gibson will challenge the 1st team for places too. then there’s the two serbs Tosic and the other one. Evans will be stronger as Rio back problems will not go away so he’ll need to be nursed on game-by-game basis.
If it ent broke don’t fix it.
The players in the team play in a system that works.
spot on KVN. i also like to see foster more on the first team roster next season as he need to be accustomed to playing for the first team. VDS could be part bit player next season as playing foster in the first team will enhance his confidence. gibbo and rodrigo had to break into first team next season, but they had to be patient, just like fletch. he and ole is the living evidence that in this club, chance will come your way, but you had to be patient. hear that tevez and nani!!!
with hargo and all loanee going back to united next season, hopefully we will get a good backup and team players. certainly wes and hargo will be challenging back their places in the first team, so its a good “headache” if you like for SAF. a lot of players and great depth in the team as we will be challenging at all fronts like this season.
can’t wait…..
United > England.
Fellas, I’d like to have kept Van Nistelrooy WITHOUT the attitude; I’d like to have kept Saha WITHOUT the endless injuries. I’d also like to have kept Rossi/Pique WITHOUT the personal ambition and Forlan WITH his present form.
So, let’s seque to the real world. Money always matters but I don’t think it’s the be-all and end-all in this situation. The crux of the matter pivots on Carlitos’ attitude – is he willing to be the odd-man out and play in a catch-as-catch-can role like John O’Shea and Darren Fletcherinho OR does he expect to be one of the first names on the team sheet ? O’Shea’s near-constant presence in the first team shows that injuries happen and the odd-man-out gets lots of playing time. Fletcherinho’s season has included a great many “big games” but lesser playing time, according to how the manager has chosen to deploy him.
With SAF it’s always going to be “my way or the highway”; even Ronaldo and Rooney get moved around according to the manager’s tactical plan.
If Carlitos thinks he’s ‘special’ then he has another think coming – even his idol Diego Maradona doesn’t believe that ! Maradona plays Carlitos BEHIND both Lionel Messi and Sergio Aguero and if Hernan Crespo were ten years younger then Carlitos wouldn’t be in the first team at all.
From the UTD perspective, Tevez is a talented player but he’s not a crucial part of the team. He can be replaced – Rooney and Ronaldo can’t be replaced. This member of the jury is still out on Berbatov.
costas : David Villa is a world class striker, no doubt about that.but his age is like 27 now.Berba is 28.do we need to pay another 30 odd million for a 27 year old.would definitely go for some young talent like Aguero, Benzema or many other young strikers around.
Off topic slighty why is it we keep hearing this crap about CR7 and Madrid?
it’s like the Chinese water torture. every 2 seconds there’s another story propaganda comes out!!!
just read this
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/12052009/58/la-liga-real-strike-71m-ronaldo-deal.html
besides £71m is cheap for CR& if they’re serious he’s worth over £150m.
but i still wouldn’t sell him.
however in the Times today they stated that he’ll stay another season.
this is another distraction. football has changed it’s a squad game now rather than a team game. Tevez has to realise this and humble himself. footballers like him have to think – do they want to be at a club where they can win trophies and play an integral part in that clubs success or do they just want to play 1st team guaranteed football with limited or no chance of silverware? Tevez could stay with us knowing we’ll win trophies and know that he’s played his part in the success of our club. Then when he’s around 30 or 31 go back to Argentina and just play guaranteed football like Veron Juan Roman Riquelme et al.
Yorkie = legend. What a partnership he has with Cole. It has to be our best strike pairing ever, or at least in the top 3. Wise words of his as well.
KVN – its just the bullshit spanish media again, perez will have leaked that story so he gets elected as president. what a cunt
maybe it was part of a masterplan to sell the sun on merseyside?
@wazza: Yes,Aguero or Benzema would have been ideal.But i feel that Villa’s price is closer to what we might offer.Benzema could be out of our reack.These 3 might be our only choices if Carlitos left.The world class striker market has kind off dried up in recent years.
@KVN: Unfortunately,with those dam elections this kind of thing will happen a lot.Lets not get into it.The title is still there for the taking and take my word for it.If we go to Rome and win,no one will take me down from cloud 9 even if Ronaldo starts ruining it from the next day.But as you said, the Times report something different.What a great world it would be if newspapers ceased to exist!
Paul the Red i thought so myself. I know a scouser and there is no way he would veer buy the Sun.Not even if it said that Baggio was coming to Liverpool.Baggio was the first player he saw and admired as was i.
Im really thinking that there is no chance of Ronaldo going to Madrid, say what you want about the Lad but he’s a winner. Madrid are in a mess right now and even he wouldnt be fool enough to think that he could turn it all around by himself. He’s got a chance here of being in the greatest football squad ever, he’s not gonna pass all of that glory by.
we need to be realistic…
Tevez could easily go to Liverpool. They could buy him on loan like we did. I agree with every1 that he wouldnt fit into the Liverpool side but the last interview he gave about leaving he said ‘i dont feel part of the family here’ and his celebration proved it. If an offer from aboard dont come in I can see him signing for liverpool more than spurs, city or villa.
Secondly, as Scott’s article on Kaka and Ribery brilliantly pointed out SAF is against spending rediculous amounts on players. Benezma’s price will be massive even if Lyon dont make the CL, Jean-Michel Aulas the lyon chairman is a genius, getting amazing amounts 4 unproved players, Essien £24mil Abidal £18mil so noway Benzma will go for less than £40mil. Same with Agureo and Villa, even though Valencia are in financial trouble they will not let him go on the cheap.
Plus, I don’t see where all this money’s coming from. £30mil for Berbatov and £14mil for Tosic and Ljaic plus increased debt the only way was could afford a £30mil+ player is by selling ronaldo. If we lose tevez I would like to see the return of Rossi. Watched him against Barca and looks like the real deal, would be ideal for us! if his buy back clause is still valid reckon he wouldnt be 2 expensive!
He cannot go on loan again as it’s not allowed. The Premier League have changed their rules and third-party ownership is outlawed. So that rules out United negotiating a fresh short-term deal. Or anyone else.
When RVN left it was the best thing ever.
We changed our whole system to accomodate him and consequently played complete shite.
When he left we went back to our more orthadox way of playing.
Well, what I was trying to imply is he can sell Tevez for 20M to Inter. 2yrs later 20M from Inter to Milan, 2yrs later 20M from Milan to Real, etc…
Doubt that Marq. Tezez is alsways on about his family being settled. i wouldnt say he would move about that much.
looks like City it is then, Tezez wants to stay in England and City have money to burn
Some statistics regarding Tevez vs. Berbatov (PL-matches only):
Matches:
Berbatov 28+2
Tevez 17+10
Minutes:
Berbatov 2478
Tevez 1760
Goals:
Berbatov 9
Tevez 4
Assists:
Berbatov 10
Tevez 3
Key Passes:
Berbatov 58
Tevez 28
Shoots (On goal):
Berbatov 43 (24)
Tevez 45 (20)
Passes (Sucsessfull):
Berbatov 1213 (77 %)
Tevez 775 (83%)
Tackles
Berbatov 23
Tevez 13
well said by Yorke..
More of the same shit:
http://www.setanta.com//uk/Articles/Football/2009/05/12/Prem-Agent-on-Tevez-future/gnid-52604/
Why can’t they shut up until May 31st?Is it that hard?
Off topic:Does anyone know why we keep getting linked with Luis Valencia of Wigan….Seems like a decent winger but the kind of price(20-25mil) being bandied about is a bit over the top….also papers claim that we could replace Ronaldo with him…Now I know Ronnie aint going anywhere but even in a hypothetical scenario that seems pretty far fetched to me.
All over sky sports news all day. This English reporter who lives in Spain is very confident about big transfers happening at old trafford like tevez and ronny to Real with united almost guaranteed Ribery and Kaka. The guy covers Barcelona and Real and says that Ribery would prefer us then a Spanish team. He is the 1 player I want to see at United.
Exactly my point 10-wazza-united…even if Ronnie does leave Ribery is the only available(Messi isnt) player who could go some way in filling his massive boots..Valencia is not United material of what I’ve seen of him.
jeez sky sport must be having a slow day if all they want to do is talk about Ronaldo… Fucking Idiots
10 wazza UTD
that was graham hunter, do not believe a word he says.. he is as bad as Marca and those spainish rags.. every week he comes out with some transfer waffle, saying his “sources” told him so and so is going here.. never turns out to be true… and he didnt say a deal with ribery and kaka was guarenteed… he said there would be a transfer merry go round, all around europe and just threw their names out.. hunter is an ok pundit, but a compulsive liar
denton davey has for the trillionth time hit the nail on the head, when stating,”is he willing to be the odd-man out.” But I don’t see Villa, or Benzema, or whomever star be willing to be the odd man out either. So this leaves us with quite a dilemma. Ferguson knows this, so, we can forget about buying another big name (unless Ronaldo goes to Madrid).
off topic : has anybody got the link to tonight’s reserve cup final ?
http://www.justin.tv/vip_pub/popout….Hers the best I can do…coudnt find a sopcast link…but you can stream MUTV using FLV player…pretty quick and good quality.Details on myp2p.eu.
http://www.justin.tv/vip_pub/popout correction….this is the link.
Tosic gets his first goal!!!!
thanks a lot rooney_thebestest.just couldn’t find it
Today his agent and Joorabchian have come out with more comments.For a player who is wanted by the best teams in the world,he is sure pimping himself a lot isn’t he?
what was tosic’s goal like
Free kick 25 yards out…got a deflection and went in…considering how many times he had been hitting the woodwork in the previous games he sure deserved it…btw Welbeck is playing brilliantly…Bolton cant get close to us at the moment
dude that link has gone now. you got the new one ?
Sorry mate…Cant do anything now.
never mind.hope the boys win the cup.Welbeck was really good on the ball.
these days are gone.
if SAF will keep buying strikers and swap players like Campbell in order to get players it won’t happen.
do you honestly think that Macheda will sit on the bench in 3-4 years time ?
Tevez will be at Liverpool for the following reasons:
1) They are a top english side who are playing at the ighest level on all fronts.
2) There are plenty of fellow spanish speaking players as well as a spanish speaking manager.
4) There is Mascherano
5) Rafa is obviously keen to add another striker after making the Robbi Keane mistake. When asked directly about Tevez, he smiled and declined to comment.
6) He would link up so well with Torres and Gerrard.
7) He wants to contunue playing in England.
7) Unlike the Hienze scenario, Utd will be powerless to stop Tevez from moving to their rivals since they do not own him.
I’m a United fan but I’m not blind to the obvious choice for Tevez and Liverpool.
1) Yea, they went out on all fronts
2) Did Argentina start using spanish as 2nd language?
3) Mascherano said recently he will consider leaving Liverpool if the right offer comes
4) Tevez & Keane are similar players, I doubt Tevez is so stupid to do a Keane. Benitez smiled because that is the only remote way he can disturb us
5) Keane, with more pace couldn’t, what makes you think Tevez can?
6) There are hundreds of other teams in England
7) Yea, we are powerless. But if Tevez would try a Heinze, he will go down as a traitor in our history, especially after so much talk about loving us. Its up to him now
btw, try counting correct first
Marq, spanish is Argentina’s official language. And as for the counting that Duncan did, he gave eight points, you responded to them all, yet you still only labelled 7
. 5 should have been benitez smiled because…
Does Tevez have much say in the matter? Surely it will be decided by kia, and whichever clubs are stupid enough to pay the obscene amounts of money?!?