Ashley Young has sung the praises of our latest number 7, Antonio Valencia, after he won the Fans’ and Players’ Player of the Season in 2011-2012.
Young thinks that Valencia, who doesn’t have an agent, has it all and deserves all the praise that comes his way.
“Last season he had everything,” he told Inside United. “He attacks, he defends, he can shoot, he can cross, he can pass… he has it all and that’s why he scooped up everything at the end-of-season awards. It’s why the players voted for him and it’s why the fans voted for him. He’s fantastic to play with. Antonio, like every other player, knows how to look after himself as well – he knows what to eat, what to drink and he works closely with our fitness coaches.”
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Antonio Valencia’s was red carded in Ecuador’s 1-1 draw with Uruguay last night
He will now miss the next round of games in October.
More for us!
He’s a true professional nonnomsense player. Talented yet grounded. A shining example of the type
Of character we want at this great club.
Great photo!
Love seeing these flashes of colour from the otherwise quite dour Valencia.
Going mental after his Blackburn stunner
Planting a smacker on Young’s little round head
And this! http://www.goal.com/en/news/3790/world-cup-2014/2012/09/12/3370824/the-referee-is-a-total-clown-manchester-united-star-valencia?source=breakingnews
Yes Young, youre right Valencia has everything. Now shut your mouth boyo and copy him, your time for writing a book and saying the bleeding obvious will come when your playing days are behind you and you work for Sky. Shut it, knuckle down and immitate the great man.
Valencia has to leave his home (albeit adopted) and fly all the way to South America to play in a match for his country only to find the referee is complete tit. It has to be very frustrating investing so much time and effort only to find that the man in the middle isn’t up to the task. I haven’t seen the incident but Valencia is a fair player and I’d take his word for it.
I remember a few years ago retired rugby player Neil Back saying how frustrating it was to train and prepare yourself to be the best you could possibly be only for your efforts to be unfairly penalised by poor refereeing. It’s like lightening fast moves that unlock a defence only to be flagged incorrectly offside. It kills.
I bet FIFA will get involved with this Valencia issue and ban him.
I hope he doesnt use the Suarez defence and say that clownos is a harmless world used for all south americans – no matter how close to the truth. lol.
If they do ban him it should be on an international level. He didn’t do any wrong in a United shirt why should we suffer
utd_fc
Because we’re United thats why, hes a good lad he’ll get a ticking of thats all. Unless Sepp Blater and that corrupt Brazillian cunt who generally has it in for English Football become personally involved.
Wonder why Scott hasn’t put up a video of Chico’s goal against Costa Rica? He did for RVP’s against Turkey.
Perhaps there’s none available.
While we do get harsher sentences I’d find it highly unusual if we bear the brunt of an international related offense (if u can call it that).
You’re right though valencia is a good guy. Doesn’t burst out like this unwarranted
@Arthur
Chicharito scored his 26th international goal for Mexico in their 1-0 World Cup QF win over Costa Rica. Watch: http://t.co/x..
No, no. Look. This shed business — it doesn’t really matter. The sheds aren’t important. A few friends call him Two Sheds and that’s all there is to it. I wish you’d ask him about Chico’s goal. Everybody talks about the sheds. They’ve got it out of proportion — he’s a great commenter. He should get rid of the shed!
Then he’d be Arthur ‘No Sheds’ Jackson, eh?
Ashley young showed a lot of promise at start of last season, but injury holding him back abit.
He seems to have lost a yard of pace now and wouldn’t beat his man even if it meant for his own survival
Maybe the new medical centre will help slow down the non stop growing list of injuries
Michael Oliver will be the referee of United’s game with Wigan.
Man utd 4 life
Anyways
Here’s chico’s goal
rtsp://v2.cache3.c.youtube.com/CjYLENy73wIaLQmFqABTnD-3JRMYESARFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSARSBXdhdGNoYIuon7Px4_rLTww=/0/0/0/video.3gp
DreadedRed
WUT?
We r going to hit 4 against wigan
@Mark
And probably concede 4 as well, based on recent displays.
Red goat, may I introduce you to orange cow…
http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/arthurtw.htm
Goodafternoon everybody
Good afternoon indeed Mark!
DreadedRed
Cheers mate I dont think Ive ever seen that one, surprising as I thought Id seen it all. Reading it sounds like the soundtrack of my life, lol.
Mark
Good afternoon is it? And to everybody is it? Not happy with a normal afternoon, a life in the work house knee deep in excrement! Has to be good does it? To everybody as well! No one particualr person here is good enough for you on their own that you have to hog the lime light and make an entrance like some fat glitzed up prom queen wobbling down the stairs sporting opera glasses and talking all so loudly as to get everybodies bleeding attention – well excuse me if we all just stop what were writting to say good afternoon to the oh so happy diva going through life full of gay abundance. You make me sick! You come in here ……………………………………………………….!
He’s another wum goat ‘MARK’ my words
Make your mark Mark. No marks for remarks that mark time.
goat – I expected you’d know Art Jackson’s outbuildings, I’m glad to top up the bin for you.
Epic dread
Proverb – it was a marquee signing.
DreadedRed @ 11:23: “Antonio Valencia’s was red carded in Ecuador’s 1-1 draw with Uruguay last night He will now miss the next round of games in October.”
FANTASTIC NEWS FOR MUFC.
About AV7 – he used his left foot TWICE in the game at Soton; on his way to becoming a complete player!
Denton Davey – two lefts don’t make a right, but I too was pleased as punch to see the effective variation from Valencia. More to come, no doubt.
hahaha LOL!!
On top of ic, Love Tony’s game. A lad from poverty. He is happy for what he has. A humbleness that hunger can give most people.
DR Dread your thoughts on the resv. game.
Anyone who saw the resv. game thoughts.
Valencia is a beast! Have to say though, I hate the expression “has sung the praises”. Imagine Ashley Young singing “Valencia, he haaaas everything. Oh, Valencia, this sing is for yoooou”
Good afternoon, hahaha
shiting blood, back hurts so bad I have to lay on the floor 1/2 the time. No weekend game, the Wigs game is not on TV. Basement flooded 3 weeks back now I have rats. The women in my life for the last 7 years wanted to get married. Had a brother die and moved one in a nursing home IN THE LAST 3 MONTHS. The blood in my stool is from drinking 2 much this weekend. I do not drink and post any more. A just paid for Trailblazzer by 5 months was totaled. My favorite player is a soar that wont heal for 16.382% on RoM. Grinding my teeth away at night. And to top it all off I turned into a dirty old man, and fucked a girl more then half my age. BUT GOOD FUCKING AFTERNOON!!! LOL!!! 
all good.
GO ROONEY!!!
GO MAN UTD
GO RVP
GO KAGAWA!!!!!!!
Zibbie – Good question, I couldn’t find coverage of the reserves. I would ask Rio as I have the number for his car-phone on speed-dial, but it seems the service has been suspended.
Shinji Kagawa plays down injury http://t.co/mncaY02J
Correction!!
TonyV used his lefty to cross 3 times actually!!!
He just broke his own left foots record
3 times in the same place wow, Rio.
Thanks Dr Dread.
I like Goats thoughts on formations and personal.
I so look forward to how this season unfolds. So far a wild ride.
Rooney’s gash. Milometers from a long lay off. $ weeks a silver lining?
Nani’s saga
The lads? Who can and will stand up.
SAF getting his house in order for what is sure to come. His stepping down. I for one, feel it will be sooner then later. So this or next year. He will ride off into the RED setting sun.
4 weeks a silver lining. oopps
Re- a marquee signing
Ha, dread the scouts spotted a crop
New signing on debut, nervously wondering whether he will shine for his new club:
“I’m a marquee… I’m a big-top… I’m a marquee… I’m a big-top…”
Gaffer: ‘Calm down lad, you’re two tents.’
meanwhile, hernandez knows only to score goals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY55c0PmEl4
Wow Tony looked good for is Country
I just watched a replay of the Ecuador Uruguay game. Tony is a stud.
As a 4-3-3 set up could have Rafa, Tony and Nani/LilPea on the right side of death!?
His recent crossing suggests his left foot is fairly effective. He managed to get the ball in to the danger area pretty well with it. I think it’s probably a confidence issue, rather than ability. He so good with his right that it doesn’t matter much, but it’s odd to watch him contort in order to deliver a left foot pass with the outside of his right.
He’s a great player Tony. I’m sure all of our wingers will come in to their own as the season progresses. I really don’t get the Young-bashing. He’s a handy player with a bit of everything in his locker.
great player
Zibbie
4-3-3
intersting
Young is an answer for smaller teams, he cuts in quite nicely & leaves room for evra to bomb forward. Let’s face it that evra can take out the opp right back better than young. Also Young can do the defence if evra can’t track back.
But Nani is our weapon for bigger opposition… He is a must have in big matches. GO NANI…
@Proverb & @gexmex
Thanks for the links, guys.
@Dreaded
They do have it all out of proportion, don’t they? LOL.
“”Everyone involved in the cover up of Hillsborough is a disgrace and need (to be) punished” – Manchester United striker and Liverpudlian Wayne Rooney.
Absolutely. It’s Thatcher’s “watergate”.
Tony V HAS used his left foot in the EPL this year. It has gone unnoticed.
He would not publicly speak on the terrible ref in the Uruguay game unless it was justified. Hopefully it will embarrass that inept clown.
Zibbie, find some Oil of Peppermint. Make sure it’s the good stuff. It will come in a small bottle. Put some on cotton balls and scatter them through out the basement. Wipe the baseboards with them especially the thresholds. Make sure you treat the entrance to your upstairs. The rats will flee the concentrated peppermint smell because. their very sensitive olfactory senses will be overwhelmed. I have used this old school technique several times.
Ice I see a 4-3-3 at home in a variance of a 4-2-3-1, 4-5-1, 4-4-2 diamond on the road. 4-1-3-2??? .
LSR thanks I will get some tomorrow!
@ Zibbie
Use a small ziptop bag to impregnate the cottonballs. Fill it with the balls and put the drops into the bag. Seal it, shake and that should do.
@ Zibbie
You are welcome. Did you ever check out The Swiss Ramble post on MUFC going public?
For Stateside based MUFC supporters, Fox Soccer Plus has a free preview week coming up. It may start on the 15th. I will confirm. If so we can catch the Wigan match!
No. I have not this thread?? Please fill me in.
cool LSR they want 15 a month great!!
I always read what you link, I might have missed it. Going public?? wow
Love the picture.
Off topic, watched Fletch play. He’s looking good. As in healthy and normal and fit. A good weight, shaven and ready for action. Stark contrast from the terribly lost-weight sunken face last year. Excited to hear Fletch’s name being called onto the pitch again!
@ Zibbie
Just lookup “The Swiss Ramble” . He is a finance type who blogs on the economics of football. He did a particularly excellent piece on the Glazers taking MUFC public on the NYSE. It is entitled ” ….Tuning into to capital” or something to that effect.
@ King
Fletch looking good is GREAT news. Is he SAF’ s answer to locking down the DM? Stay tuned….
Thanks LSR I did see that thanks.
GO FLETCH!!
Swiss ramble has a great piece on FFP as well.
Zibbie – United match is on my TV this weekend… Fox Soccer Plus, stop being cheap and get Directv…
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/09/12/3371142/manchester-united-are-in-the-best-shape-to-avoid-financial?source=breakingnews
Video on FFP
Well done Young, expert analysis almost up to the standard of Alan Hansen: A list of all the basic attributes you need in order to make an adequate player and then attributing them to a a great player. Lol, I know it’s good that team mates stick up for one another but I don’t really know why journalists bother asking footballers about team mates. Unless they’re Roy Keane, they’re never going to slate their team mates for the whole nation to read about it are they?
FFP
http://swissramble.blogspot.com/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2202305/Robin-van-Persie-Shiniji-Kagawa-Patrice-Evra-doubtful.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DIan%2BLadyman
“I would like to reaffirm, without worrying about contracts, that my focus is on winning every game and every trophy with my team-mates and all Madridistas,” c ronaldo
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2202247/Rio-Anton-Ferdinand-snub-Ashley-Cole-handshake.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DSami%2BMokbel
“We all know what level Robin van Persie is at. What he did with Arsenal – not many players can reach that level,
“Obviously he went to Manchester United, and you’re expecting him to take a little bit of time to settle in.“But he proves everyone wrong with a phenomenal display against Southampton.”Roberto Martinez
i just hope rvp injury is not serious,we will be ok against wigan but we need him in ch league opner
God bless all those innocent people involved in Hillsborough.
Bryan Robson answers questions:
Fergie’s recipe for success?
“He has great passion for football. He motivates his players well. He has an eye to spot a top player and that’s why he’s stayed at United for so long. That’s what makes him such a top manager. ”
Who will succeed Sir Alex?
“People have been asking this for the last 6-7 years and he’s still there. As long as he is healthy and fit, Sir Alex is going to be there, hopefully for another 6-7 years.”
Is Mourinho a candidate?
“(Laughs) I don’t know. Maybe you will have to ask David Gill about that.
On Van Persie’s arrival?
“It’s great for United to have signed Van Persie. City were interested to sign him, but Van Persie was determined to play for United because he loved the club’s tradition. Not every player goes for money, some do make decisions for their careers as well.”
City versus United?
“City are a strong side but with the signing of Van Persie we are a lot stronger than what we were last year. Also, we cannot dismiss European champions Chelsea.”
Nice Dread, frank answers as well.
This FFP is coming big cuts will be made. Man Utd to be strong and getting stronger. Burros is smart he snapped up the shares
SAF question he wants nothing to do with the next gaffer!
Hillsborough. In just this last few days I understand the depth of this, God bless is correct.
Zibbie – Robson always answers well, and seems to be very much in-the-know about finer details of events at United. On Sir Alex’s eventual replacement, Robson has consistently emphasised that he expects SAF to be around a lot longer. I agree with him.
I was wondering about those rats of yours. Plenty of needy dippers would be well pleased to find a gift-rat in their christmas-bin this year. Feed the scousers.
This team is in my blood now.
A sickness of a type.
The addition of RvP is awesome.
SAF and Gill tried to sign more as well so more $ is there.
Gill off to a EUAFA spot. In 5 years FFP in place Man Utd with no dept. The new TV deal after this one a 50% jump to 4.5 bill and Asia taking off with it’s biggest star Kagawa is 28 and a Red
Rooney hitting his prime as well Tony and Young wow look the fuck out.
LOL the place next door has cattle and they showed up here, LSR has giving me a weapon!!! There nose!
My team for Wigan would be:
De Gea,Rafael,Rio,Vida,Buttner,Carrick,Scholes,Nani, Valencia,Welbeck,Chicharito.
Gives Clevs a break – too much hype around a kid has grown because of Internationals.
RVP,Kagawa,Evra are doubts, Hope TV7 is ready to fly in. from South America like Chicha.
Roy Hodgson trots out the same old about Rooney:
“The sooner he comes back into our fold the better. We are short of experienced and quality front players in England. We’ll get the best out of him because he’s desperate to play for England. Wayne is an excellent footballer and with quality players the quality is permanent.”
“The general opinion after the Euros was that he didn’t play well. I’m not going to stand here arguing and defending and debating that but I’m not certain I totally agree with it. I still think I’ve got a very good player in Wayne Rooney. I’ve spoken to him and I know he is very anxious to do well for England. He’s had a nasty injury and we’re hoping he gets over it as soon as possible.”
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We’re damn fortunate to have RVP. Usually we approach Rooneyless games with trepidation, yet for once we are strangely calm. Yes, Danny and Chicharito are quality players, but RVP and Rooney are globally feared and respected. Match-winning, game-changing, integral performances of quality and desire are standard fare from our world-class strikers. Thanks Sir Alex!
Thanks SAF!!
Don’t believe the nonsense these papers tell you. I can bet my arse that you’ll see RVP AND Kagawa against Galatasaray at least.
Bad news. Buttner got injuried as i heard..
@papii – so Evra i guess. same old.
Refs for Manchester United v Wigan Athletic:
Referee-Mike Oliver
Assistants: Ledger, Scholes
4th Official: Phil Dowd
3pm start. Sat Sept15
Scholes ?!
Sir Alex gets his Bronze………………………… er….. Should be gold surely!?
http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1588676_manchester-united-apply-for-planning-permission-to-site-bronze-statue-of-sir-alex-ferguson-at-old-trafford
Platinum anyone?!
That statue should be solid fucking gold encrusted with diamonds and a ruby nose!!!
Only thing is the fucking gold digging bitters would be sniffing around.
With all the injuries going around with our players you’d think people would appreciate a player who is reliable and (touch wood) stays fit and injury free. Yes I’m talking about evra. We sign a relatively unknown face with no experience at top level football and all of a sudden people are calling for him over a pro who’s had 6 years of experience with just us alone. Vice captain and stand-in captain. Some people just can’t be pleased.
Regarding Kag and VP I’d love to see both of them starting against wigan too. Maybe take em off once we get the game under control. Or are they really that badly knocked up that they can’t start on Sat? I thought it was just a minor back tweak and a precautionary Sub?
Gold
He deserves that
Platinum it is! No gold, we’ll leave that for the sheikh’s gaudy golden City boys. And no ruby red nose ffs I can already see the ABU’s lining up the ‘Old Red Nose’ comments.
utd_fc.
People are calling for change because the pro has rapidly went downhill and is turning out costly.
Parry
I understand that and competition should be given to him. No doubt about that! But there is a way to go about things. Slating a player who falls short only cus of the obscenely high standards we’ve come to expect from him over the years isn’t the best way. Plus with all our injuries I’m grateful that we at least have someone consistently in our back 4. He’s far from perfect but he provides some much needed, currently lacking, consistency to our defence.
TheFA say FA about Hillsborough.
I mean …. honestly?! No “we were missled” or sommat?! What a bunch of tools
http://www.thefa.com/News/2012/sep/hillsborough-independent-panel.aspx
I don’t give a fuck what any new report says, they killed their own fans. Murdering cunts.
@Proverb
You’re a monumental cunt if you even pretend to believe what you just said.
Some things are bigger than football, yeh?
Allan Mufc Drummond says
I don’t give a fuck what any new report says, they killed their own fans. Murdering cunts.
You’re missing my point @kamcheskis
@Proverb
What is your ‘point’? Do explain
Proverb – you are wrong about the cause of death, and very wrong to incite hatred. That you don’t care what the report says, shows that your opinion on this matter is worthless. Please refrain from continuing your unsupported, unnecessary and unwanted attack.
Please refrain.
United hit by triple blow as RVP, Kagawa and Evra could miss Wigan clash (Mail)
Tweet from Dan Roan @danroan
But, in light of yesterday’s apologies from Government, Opposition, Police, Sun, MacKenzie, none from the FA inevitably stands out.
Spot on from Dan Roan! Football fans, and I mean all football fans, were massively let down that day.
But they were also let down by standards in the weeks leading up to that event and probably many others at the time and that was at the door of the FA to put right. The FA sanctioned that event and many others based on poor standards.
In my view, the FA really does shoulder a massive burden for the events leading up to the disaster and that has to be recognized. Many will focus on the diabolical series of misteps by the police and paramedics on the day, and for years after. The FA can’t imagine that it couldn’t have done more.
Was just pointing out what other fellow united fan thought about the hillsborough tragedy
Didn’t have a clue about this until recently
Still don’t know what actually happened on that day
I’m on the move now will explain that better with time
Proverb says:
Still don’t know what actually happened on that day
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I think the point is we now do. Which makes comments like the one you pointed out all the more despicable.
@ Proverb:
Good way of wriggling out of explaining yourself you horrible piece of shit.
As a Club who too suffered a tragedy the least we can do is pay our respect.
Ashamed to say that I have something in common with you
Proverb – falsely accusing a group of people of murder is NOT excusable by claiming that you were merely repeating what you heard. Especially when your initial accusation was NOT accompanied by a reference to it’s source.
You now admit to knowing NOTHING about the events that you claimed were murderous.
Take responsibility for your gross error.
Retract your 9:12 without mitigation. Apologise for spreading unsubstantiated accusations.
Refrain from copy pasting comments without reference to their source.
That’s still the point the police were overwhelmed by the Scousers army who the majority had stayed drinking in pubs … They rushed the gates and the head coper panicked and opened the escape doors the fans outside who had no tickets then rushed in overpopulating the Scousers end… Causing panic. And before anyone questions that…
I was actually there and saw it all.
Yes the copper who owned the gate was wrong but the crush was started by too many fans trying to get in…
The other bollocks is all about the cops trying to shift blame and they should be held to account for that …. As should the fans who rushed in and started it all
TonyBee – what a terrible experience that must have been. Lives with you forever, I guess.
Agreed on the responsibility issue, especially the cops shifting blame. Despicable.
@TonyBee
Football fans get rowdy and pissed. It is to be expected and should be planned for. To imply that fans of no other club would behave in this way, or that it was the actions of the fans alone that caused the tragedy, or that the behaviour on this occassion was somehow so much worse than on any other, is preposterous.
They key words from your post are ‘the head copper panicked and opened the escape doors’
He shouldn’t have done. Just one of many insitutional failings that were the difference between having some pissed fans at the ground (and a whole host of other factors), and 96 people losing their lives.
It really is the absolute nadir of football tribalism when people are prepared to distort their perception of events to shift the blame of what was essentially mass murder on to fans of a rival team.
Sickening.
To be truthful I always blamed the
Fans that stormed the gates they gates were opened to let fans already in to leave as it was too congested already . Liverpool fans must be partly to blame wether they got pissed or not. I hate the Scousers bastards as much as ever and blame should be jointly shared but the Scousers are trying to blame everyone else and trying to come across as all innocent when it simply is not the case
TonyBee, Chilling stuff mate. The issue about the songs will return as well.
As has been discussed on here repeatedly, many don’t sing about the dead and I am one.
Just not in it for me.
But the songs the pool supports seem to dispise most are the ones about Heysel Stadium disaster where Juve fans died.
In any event, Didn’t see any reduction in Munich songs and doubt there will be. See the airplanes everywhere don’t we. So tell me this, what’s that about then?!
I don’t sing about any dead, Feel those are just not for me. But before the preach about the songs, they need to get there own hate filled house in order.
Sorry about the typos. Very upsetting this. Cheers
Never trust a man without an opinion, as always heres mine: enjoy.
The Hillsbrough disaster was an accident. Why do we live in a world where we have to find someone to hang for a fucking accident. The fact of the matter is, the police were at fault for opening the gates. The fact of the matter the scummy Liverpool fans were at fault for going to a family event pissed as newts acting like louts. There are many events that hold a good many people but you never hear of drunken loutish behaviour at Rugby matches, cricket matches, operas, ice hockey matches athletic events etc etc. They dont have stampedes. The simple thing you have to realise is put your self in the possition of one of the first scousers at the gates just as the policeman opens them. you run, you come up against a group of people and carry on going forward barging through them as the people behind them do. How fucking thick do you have to be to not understand that something could go wrong. OK they may not think that it would be 90 odd deaths, but they are bright enough to realise that a few youngsters could get broken bones and for their few seconds of loutish fun – that was allright.
To sing about Heysel or Hillsbrough in my opinion is blue, a bit like a rape, jew pedo joke. Its blue buit you are directing it AT the people who caused it. And no the police didnt cause it they had a hand in it. Singinging about Munich is wrong, not becasue Im a United fan but because no one from Manchester United were flying the plan, it was thrust upon them by a fucking retard
Pissed off with the 1 million philosophgers of Liverpool claiming some overlord status on the rest of us because of The Beatles and tradegies caused by their fucking stupidity. Fact of the matter it couldnt happen to a more deserving lot and Boris Johnson is fucking spot on.
Yeh cause all 96 people who died were pissed and acting irresponsibly. Especially the kids. Stupid pissed loutish 7-year-olds who died before they’d lived.
Fucking hell.
The list of institutional failings that led to the deaths is as long as your arm, and you want to single out some pissed fans, the like of which you get at every single football match week in, week out. Beggars belief to be perfectly honest.
kanchelskis
The 7 year olds or kids in general I feel sorry for and the parents left greaving. There were failings on behalf of the police, there were failings on behalf of ground safety, there were failings on behalf of the ambulance service BUT non of those forced fans to run, non of those forced them to arrive late, non of them offered alcohol before the match, non of them foresaw as individuals what was going to happen. IT is a fucking accident. Yes there was a cover up in alot of documents but a cover up making people look better than they otherwise would DOESNT make the person guilty of a crime other than document fraud. Creative writing AFTER the event DID NOT kill anyone. That is the issue and the scousers are out of order expecting some sort of justice.
The ones to blame were the shit head louts arriving late and pissed who crushed the early arrivals already in place fans. Yes I feel sorry for them but in that day and age (not the same as today) they should have known better taking their kids to a fucking Liverpool match. They knew there were risks whether it be a crushing, a fight, a racial riot, just a kick off against the police etc etc Taking a kid to a footy match in the 80′s was a bit dicey at the best of times.
kanchelskis
The list of institutional failings as you mention could also be made accountable for september 11th. Even there we saw congress trying to hang the government of the day for failings of the system. A system that wasnt known to be needed before the event takes place.
In life we LEARN from accidents and when these accidents happen, we mourn but we dont fucking go on about it trying to hang a party for not going to a fucking gypsy and seeing the future in a crystal cunting ball.
What should we do, go round the pilots house and do a kangaroo court on the pilots familly and property? No its a tragic ACCIDENT.
Sorry guys I’ll take the responsibility
But it seems this guy know one thing or two about what actually went down in 1989
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Me: why do you think they killed their own fans?
Allan Mufc Drummond says:
They purposefully over sold hence over crowded the stand to get a bit more money (around £800) therefore making them the cause of death as the stand couldn’t hold the extra weight.. Therefore murderers! X
@goatinaunitedshirt
The fans – they were the difference were they? They were the difference between the average death toll at every other football match (around about the 0 mark I’d say) and a death toll of 96.
You’re saying the fans shoulder the blame for 96 more deaths than you’d expect and hope for, because of the exceptional manner in which they were behaving on that day, which was presumably incomprehensibly worse than any other set of fans has ever behaved at any other football match?
The capacity was grossly overestimated. The turnstiles weren’t fit for purpose. The ground was understaffed. The stewards were guitly of severe deriliction of duty. The police and ambulance services were guilty severe deriliction of duty. But you think that the real cause here is because the fans were SO much worse than any other set of fans has ever been…
Does your tribalism really blind you so much to the utter logical fallacy in what you’re trying to claim?
@goat
I don’t think anyone’s trying to claim it wasn’t an accident. I think the phrase ‘accident that shouldn’t have happened’ comes to mind, no?
@Proverb
Would you like to push your obviously magnificently enlightened Twitter source for some documentary evidence of his claim?
Last night Kagawa (on his injury) said:
“It may be due to travel and fatigue. I can get by if I take good care of my body. I’ve learned a good lesson from this. After moving to the Premier League, I’ve realised that I need to limber up and strengthen my body trunk.” (Kagawa is 172cm tall and weighs 63kg)
“I think I can come back (play) soon. I have to consult my medical staff and do my best until the next match. Tough games are going to start and I will have to fight for a regular spot. I want to go out in perfect condition.”
Nicky Butt on Tom Cleverley:
“I think he needs a good season behind him, where he plays 30 or 35 games. He had a few injuries in his early days, but he’s got to a level now where he needs to get games under his belt. He’s a phenomenal young footballer and he’s at the right club to develop, with the right manager, the right coaches and the right players around him. He’s one of those players who can go on to great things but he needs a good run in the team and to get used to playing week in and week out for a massive club.”
kanchelskis
I think we may be coming in at different angles. Ive read the justice for hillsbrough lot are trying to get the verdict of “accidental death” overturned through the courts. They are trying to pin this on individuals (not Liverpool fans may I add) for manslaughter.
I dont like to see any man die, I feel sorry for those that get left behind but I cannot spend my entire life boo hooing about something as I want to get on with life. I cannot hang someone for an accident, I cannot blame someone for not believing in a crystal ball. BUT i can get thoroughly bored of an issue with people whining about an imaginary injustice and trying to ease their suffering by piling it onto the living who witnessed the whole event first hand. People should try and remember that the police, the FA, the fans etc etc are people, individuals non of which had any power to stop what was happening, non with the foresight of what was going to happen SO why hang them.
DreadedRed
We had this with Park, Fergusson knows about it and we shouldnt expect too much anyways. Kagawa has had a great start but he isnt Uniteds stand alone saviour. Hes a squad player and will do a job when hes fit to do so. Im pretty sure Fergie has games pencilled out around far eastern internationals, he did with Park.
Kanchelskis
Let’s leave it right there, I’m to blame for posting shit with no fundamental facts
I’m to blame
That’s why ROM stands forward as the best bog around. That was crazy of me for doing that
Actually, now I realise how much I screwed my sanity on here
Lesson leant!!!
I’m going to have tough questions with the OP
@goat
Ground staff. Whoever sets ground capacity. Police. Ambulance staff.
All are in positions which involve the safeguarding of human life, and are paid accordingly. All failed in their duty to do so. They DID have the power to stop what was happening, both preemptively and in some instances once the crush was underway.
I don’t know the legal ins-and-outs of how death verdicts are reached, so wouldn’t want to enter that debate. My point is only that I do not believe the fans should accept the huge share of blame that you clearly think they should. They were football fans, doing what football fans do, and what everybody KNOWS (and knew) football fans do. Not defending them, obviously, but their actions were essentially predictable and should have been accounted for. The failures of the above mentioned insitutional parties were aberrant and acute. They did not do what was expected of them, and failed in their duty to protect human life.
goatinaunitedshirt – yeah, at 172cm and 63kg, Kagawa needs protection from the Kevin Davies types, or else he’ll suffer as Cleverley has done.
Proverb – well done for manning up, and taking responsibility. We all live and learn.
Nicky Butt on replacing Paul Scholes:
“I think it’s always a worry when such a great player is coming to the end of his career. We’ve seen it in years gone by with Bryan Robson and when Roy [Keane] left as well. All these players come to an end and you do worry how we’re going to replace them but the one thing about Manchester United and the manager is he does find them.”
“He’ll never find another Scholes and will never find another Keane but he will find players to come into the squad and make whatever shirt number they wear their own and be their own player in their own right. That’s what Sir Alex is excellent at doing and I’m sure he’s got one or two up his sleeve for the next couple of years.”
“They will be massive boots to fill, the same as with Eric Cantona and Keane and the players I keep mentioning, but somehow he’s replaced them with a different kind of player who are top drawer in their own right.”
Mikael Silvestre (35) is on trial at West Ham. Silvestre spent 2 years at Arsenal, 2 years at Werder Bremen, and was last seen on trial at Wolfsburg.
The OP confused me when he said the club is to blame
WTF
Who sold the tickets? Police or football club?
@dread cheers mate
this makes sense
http://www.google.com/gwt/x?hl=en&u=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster&q=the+Hillsborough+myth+the+police+opened+the+gates+liverpool&sa=X&ei=jrdRUMWsIMSu0QWFloHwAw&ved=0CCUQFjAD
kanchelski
The day of Hillsbrough was much like any other day. This had happened at many games before, pushing wasnt new, drinking before matches wasnt new. It was a series of events that transpired to make the worst possible scenarion come true. There are all the time around many more near accidents then there are actual accidents but some little piece of the jigsaw is missing. On this occassion all the peaces were in place. Its tragic but untill it happens in its worst possible form then you can only fix the problem with knowledge of what happened, not what is possibly going to happen.
To change the grounds from standing with those deadly bars to all seater was an issue that could only have taken place if money was made available from public coffers and that usually only comes about if the press get on their case. Thats the way of the world.
My point is, there were many failings from ALL sides including may I add the owners of Hillsbrough and the owners at ALL of the football clubs. It was an accident waiting to happen where countless near incidents happened before but nothing was ever going to get done untill the powers that be hand was forced.
You do realise that even after Hillsbrough there was a long debate, what should be done, an inquiry, reccomendations and essentially the FA had to remarket the old 1st division into the premier league to get enough funds together (selling tv rights for years to come) to get the reccomendations implemented.
Just look at the whole september 11th issue. The government of the day were crucifide in the eyes of the people by allowing muslim pilots to get their private flying licence or atleast take a few exploratory lessons. People now cant take baby milk onboard a plane. Imagaine if all the restrictions that are now in place were put there before september 11th. No one would say we stopped that as no one would know it was a possibility becuase the restrictions would have prevented it. BUT wouldnt people shit on the government on the day for a massive step up in Big Brother.
You can only learn retrospectively, you can only be found at fault retrospectively. To punish someone for a crime an element of pre meditation should be taken into account whether it be full conscious and desire to commit a barbaric act or be so “lazy” as to be fully aware that your “laziness” WILL cause an accident. You have to realise that the policemen and women who witnessed many a near miss in the past may not have been aware of what they saw, it may well have been their first match. The same with the chief of Police or the supremo for football ground safety may not have had the insight or knowledge adequately passed down from his predocessor. There are too many variables to blame any individual. Its an accident. Yes there are failing but the powers that be are not some single cored super computer that never has a human tought or failing, never gets replaced. The powers that be are an ants nest of activety and for every chatter amongst themselves is a big game of chinese whispers.
Couple of thoughts on Hillsborough.
1. If it were Utd fans who died that day, we would be taking the same stance as the Liverpool fans are now, so I can’t accept the statements that scousers are reveling in the misery
2. I think some of the senior officials should be charged with Manslaughter, the rest of them with perverting the corse of justice.
3. I fail to see how Liverpool fans can be blamed, they rushed in as we did back then but even if the onesat the front of the rush wanted to stop, they would not have been able to get the message through or physically halt those who came behind. How are those lads going to know whether the stand was full or not or the capacity.
I hate everything about LFC, but that is on the back burner for this tragedy. I hope they get justice.
Goal.com claim (unsubstantiated) that United have sent Kagawa for scans on his back to determine the extent of the injury he picked up on international duty. Their ‘sources’ have said that he returned to Carrington still feeling discomfort in his back. United’s medical staff are said to be now taking steps to get to the bottom of the intermittent back problems suffered by Kagawa since starting his professional career.
It is also understood (also unsubstantiated) by goal.com that Van Persie will undergo a 48-hour assessment as United adopt a safety-first policy because of his chequered fitness record.
Kanchelskis were you around at that time.., you certainly have differing views … None of the dead on that sad day were part of the stampede. All of the dead were already in the ground waiting for the game to start… They got pushed and shoved by the late arrivals from the back and were crushed as safety barriers collapsed.
Dreaded that’s why I haven’t been to a game for years… But will be going to my first game Later this year …. Reading v Utd hopefully
And my final word on it… Brian Clough always blamed the fans
TonyBee – totally understandable mate. However, we have missed your presence!
Please, when you do return to the stands, shout a little loader on my behalf.
Represent the far-flung absent Reds from RoM.
So Evra doubtful apparently.In that case we will hopefully see our Tinker playing.
DreadedRed
http://www.goal.com/en/news/596/exclusive/2012/09/13/3373443/-
FA issue apology for Hillsborough via David Bernstein.
http://www.thefa.com/News/2012/sep/david-bernstein-hillsborough.aspx
Parryheid there was a rumor that Büttner was injured. Curse of the United defense!
Probably all to put off Wigan
View from the Enemy anyone?
Fletch THEMAN.
Oh.No mention of it after he came off in the reserve game.
Bighanky. – scousers do gave a reputation for rebelling in misery but on this issue it’s fully justified. Mire than misery it’s a sense of utter injustice that drive them on. As you stated. Could have been any clubs fans , hence the support across different clubs / cities ect.
Hope they find. True accountability , justice and closure.
Regarding injuries, we’ll get the headsup tomorrow morning in the weekly press conference taking place every friday at carrington. Hopefully there are no new cases and the trio (kags, rvp, buttner) will have recovered by then
Parryheid, Cheers, I haven’t heard anything official. Probably nothing in it. Kind of think Büttner would play from a wheel chair if he was offered a start. Like the lad so far, but agree he looks a worry to give away a couple extra free kicks per match.
No more a liability than Patty Evra his first 15 matches
BTW. For those of you who want a bit of history on this whole Liverpool history thing. Scott the Red has posted several insightful and fairly well balanced topics over the years. You can pull up the best by searching scott the red and Heysel.
Here is one from 2009. Would like to here Scotts 2 pence worth on the days news ofcourse.
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/munich-heysel-and-hillsborough/
As long as Family don’t show up in their caravans
http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/alexander-buttner-vitesses-confident-left-back.html
And yeah I think he may be a bit tough,likens himself to Athur Numan.
@fletch
Thanks mate, a huge one
That was the best article I’ve read on ROM so far written by the great STR
My thoughts also with the fans who never returned home
As for the fans who keeps singing about the munich tragedy us calling hem ‘murderers’ is a rebound
Had they behaved themselves after that much disaster I’m sure we united fans would of behaved as well…
Its a tasteless provocation but us united fans might have felt aggrieved hearing those fucking scousers having a laugh at our disgrace.
Now I understand why some fans call the scousers murderers!!! Cheers again FLETCH
ex huntspost:
Anne Turnbull has been battling cancer for four years. The 70-year-old grandmother was recently taken back to her native Manchester to watch an Olympic football match at Old Trafford by her son-in-law Martin Furner.
Mrs Turnbull said: “It was out of this world. We arrived just in time and we had VIP treatment. When they pushed my wheelchair into place, the players were just coming onto the pitch. The music was going and it was as though they were welcoming us. I couldn’t believe it – I burst into tears. The match was brilliant.”
When they got home, Martin e-mailed the club to thank them for their hospitality – and a little while later he received a letter from Sir Alex who said: “I believe that you are a massive Manchester United fan and I would like to invite you to a game. I have arranged a place on our wheelchair platform with an adjoining seat for your guest with my compliments. I do hope that you enjoy the whole experience of your visit to Old Trafford and, hopefully, a very enjoyable game.”
Mrs Turnbull said: “It was a complete shock to get the letter – I couldn’t believe it. The last time I went to see one of their matches, I was 17. I was in the WRAF and five of us went – all in our uniforms. I had been going with my father since I was 12.”
Her favourite player?
“Rooney. He’s my favourite, everybody always says ‘No, no, no!’ but he is.”
Serie B club Sassuolo director Nereo Bonato on 18-year-old striker Domenico Berardi:
“The interest from Manchester United? The player is followed with great attention by many clubs, including the Red Devils.”
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/man-utd/news/united-interested-in-teenage-striker_45034.html
iced earth
Thanks for the link. That was the article that I got the ‘unsubstantiated’ claims from.
I only link articles with declared value.
Since this has become a Hillsborough forum, I just wondered if there are plans for a minute’s silence at Old Trafford this weekend. If so, I really hope it’s respected. I’ll be embarrassed if United fans around me begin a chorus of ‘It’s Never Your Fault’. Even if you have no sorrow for the victims whatsoever, United fans really don’t need any more bad press.
TheyAlwaysScore
I echo your wishes. Im not Manchester born so I dont have the natural hate for Liverpool and even though its easy to jump on the band wagon point a finger and laugh at the unemployable tossers you have to remember that after Munich they were one of the first teams to offer Jimmy Murphy Liverpool players from their reserves to help us out in our hour of need. There is a time and place for sporting banter and rivalry and a time and place for respect. Mind you if they keep there heads bowed past the minute then let the singing begin. Give those fuckers an inch and they take a mile.
Its bloody quiet in here isnt it. Hasnt Cedars come back? I realise they started a new forum but it seems a bit slow and tired without the regulars.
P.S. Im not ignoring you Zibbie, just every time Im on your off and vice versa. No doubt come match time the crew will be back.
There is always a finger to blame when there is a tragedy.
The sad thing is it takes the light off the fact that the disastrous incident could have been avoided by competent staff that followed procedure.
Munich or Hillsborough, are terrible events that nobody would wish on another club,lessons should be learnt and as human beings we should have empathy and respect the dead and celebrate how such a sad day has united the victims families and those affected to be more of a family club.
Justice is just a perceptive, I’m just glad the victims families no longer have to worry about the name of their loved ones being besmirched.
TonyBee
The report says quite clearly that alcohol was’nt a factor.
The report also says that the gates weren’t rushed, there was a build up of pressure caused by inadequate turnstiles and relieved when the gates were opened.
There weren’t too many people on the terrace, just in the middle pen because poor stewarding didn’t sort that out.
Brian Clough blamed the fans! What does that fucking proove he was an idiot as well although not as big a one as you.
Sometimes I’m actually ashamed of my fellow supporters.
Yeah cedars has left a big big hole to be filled here
He could master 200 odd comments on a single thread, which is very remarkable
I’m with you on that @goat I hope the regulars would return home.
This a united blog, and not one should upset them to the point of abandoning the best blog around, if there are issues should be addressed now.
Quote from Gladiator: ” He knows what Rome is. Rome is the mob. He will bring them death- and they will love him for it.”
Few would deny that football brings out the visceral in many. That is expected and accepted. Add lots of alcohol and large crowds to that primal behaviour and you will find yourself in places doing things which would stun a sober person. Many people who have viewed video of themselves participating in riots after sporting events say they hardly recognize themselves. “What was I thinking, I don’t know” is a common statement. ” I can’t believe I did that” they say as they view themselves turning over that car and setting it on fire.
Ochlocracy or mob rule in common parlance ,is at it’s core an uncontrollable , unpredictable beast. One does not need alcohol to provoke it. Large numbers and strong emotion suffice. And as either of those grows, the beast becomes harder to control and less rational.
As I watched the British Prime Minister and the South Yorkshire Head Constable trot out their heartfelt apologies, it was hard not to be cynical. As I watched the obligatory Labour MP (who is much more for the people that the Conservative, or so we are told) castigate whomever for what happened I found it hard not be cynical. The PM seemed the most sincere. He should, as he is probably the best actor of them all.
Long before us mobs have done terrible things which history has mostly been able to sweep under the rug or forget. Sometimes not but mostly. That Hillsborough has endured is testimony to many who would not forget. But again my cynicism wonders. Only a few of the many officials and chairpersons and community leaders trotted out to comment seemed to really care. Too many seemed to be there for the influence or acclaim. True tragedy has a way of taking away one’s desire for limelight and giving one a sincerity which is apparent even on a flatscreen. I saw too little of that sincerity yesterday. But I did see it in some and that portends hope for us as a race.
As the cause and blame was assigned and the mean culpas were wailed ,I noticed something missing. The Police were blamed. The ambulance service was blamed. The government officials were blamed. The health service was blamed. That leaves me with a question.
What part of the responsibility do the fans take in this? Who was consuming the alcohol? Who rushed the opened gates with no tickets? Who pushed forward and was suddenly gripped with the fear that the beast they were a part of had a will of it’s own?
There are those who say that the crowd behaved as crowds are expected to. The fault of this very real tragedy lies with other parties. That many in authority neglected their duty that day there is no doubt. That those who are entrusted with the public safety were derelict there is no doubt. That those who are elected to lead and govern have not rooted out and made public the facts until now is a travesty is no doubt. But at the core of this is what Tonybee referred to when he spoke of seeing it all occur. The mob of fans, who were there to support their team were central to the deaths of other fans who were there to support their team. They were and are at the core of blamed that should be shouldered and shared with those agencies and leaders now added.
@ Andy
The report says alcohol was not a factor. I suppose none of those who went in with no ticket and those who cause the overcrowding had been drinking.
@ Goat
Excellent post about how things were at all stadiums at that time, what has to happened to get things to change and what had to happen to fund that change.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2202632/Paul-Scholes-700-games-Manchester-United-Memorable-moments.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DAdam%2BShergold%2B
“I have a very good relationship with David de Gea. We are very good friends. I have a lot of respect for him and I feel he has a lot of respect for me too. Anders Lindegaard
The point for me is the vast majority of blame was aimed at the Liverpool fans. This was clearly a lie and good for them getting the truth at last
@ Redbilly
There is plenty of blame to go around. The LFC fans were the easiest and least influential to blame at the time so they got the brunt of it. This time around those agencies and officials who should shoulder some of that blame were finally named.
I think the majority of Manchester United supporters always knew this was the case, many reds supported the scousers calls for justice, obviously the minority that sang Munich/Hillsborough chants taints that view but even those who sing it only do it to piss off the scousers. In general Mancs hate thatcher myself included, and im glad the truth is out. Who knows what happens from here though, very interesting to see who gets punished for this.
BigHanky – Spot on pal. Teenagers and young people died that day and I would not wish that on anyone, even the vermin. A scandalous cover up.
MancunianRed – Spot on pal. Like a mickey said on talksport tonight the Police won’t stand trial. Think of all the cases they have been involved with SINCE Hillsborough which could open a right can of worms. People been sent down will want their cases reviewing again as could the evidence in other cases be tampered with.
RedBilly – Good posts pal. You well?
@ MancunianRed
Gracchus the Senator in “Gladiator” who spoke the quote from my first post said something else at the beginning of that scene to a fellow Senator who was surprised to see him at the Coliseum to view gladiatorial matches. He said ” I don’t pretend to be OF the people but I do try to be FOR the people.”
How many different PMs have there been since Thatcher? Have any been of parties which say they are OF the people more than the other? What have they done to uncover this? Nothing. They continued to obfuscate and cover-up. Our elected officials say way too much and do way too little to truly serve the public good.
As for individual culpability in all this, the end game may well be for some lawyer to come in and initiate a class action lawsuit to redress the “wrongs” perpetrated on “these poor folks who were victims” . Of course if they are successful they will get to keep a not too small portion of the “award” with the rest divided amongst the aggrieved. I for one hope that does not happen.
@ lone star red.
I imagine some people had, have you had a pint at a game? The report said it wasn’t a factor. We either believe the report or we don’t. If we choose to not believe it because we don’t want to we can hardly carry on insisting that Suarez was definitely guilty of abusing evra based on the evidence simply because a report says he was. We can’t have it both ways.
andy,,go fuck yourself you cunt
andy…and fuck the report…I was fucking there and saw what went on so dont go shooting off at the fucking mouth quoting reports…and Brian Clough was an idiot…you fucking soft twat
Aah if it isn’t Andy? From where have you slithered to give us further evidence of your dearth of intellect? Have you ever heard the saying ” Better to keep silent and have people think you are an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.” What was that you were saying Andy?
@tonybee
Don’t call me a cunt you “never attend a match no mark”
As i’ve just said. You didn’t say fuck the report over the suaraz incident. Like the rest of us you wanted to believe that. You don’t want to believe this because of your horrible sad little prejudices. Kanchelskis pointed out what a prat you are earlier he just didn’t want to antagonise you. I don’t visit this site often so don’t give a shit what you think. You are am absolute tool of the first order. Every decent normal person accepts what was written in those 400,000 pages with the exception of 1 or 2 people. You probably think the earth is flat and that elvis is alive too and tbh if 1 or 2 others on here weren’t so bothered about upsetting you they’d call you the cunt you balatantly are too Crawl back under whatever rock you live under you fucking prat, I’m ashamed you I support the same club you do.
as I said before Andy …GO FUCK YOURSELF
@ Andy
Few who know me might call me decent or normal. With that said I have not read the “400, 000″ pages of this report. How long did it take you get through it?
Comparing a 23 year cover-up where 96 people died to the vile actions of Suarez is just plain pathetic.
If the Liverpool fans had not climbed over the wall to get in for free none of this would have happened . if just the fans with tickets got in the ground and no else the tragedy would not have happened.I saw it unfold with my own eyes.Evey thing that followed was was terrible but to blame every one else is wrong.
September 13, 2012 at 17:53
andy says:
“Sometimes I’m actually ashamed of my fellow supporters.”
HECK!! i thought u’re liverpool’s fan!!!!
Hope Liverpool fans will learn from this, The hatred they show when they fly imaginary planes when we playing them, that they’ve been through hell like us!
@ Capitano
Don’t hold your breath for that.
@ Dazbomber
That is at the heart of the matter . No matter what happened afterward this was a major reason for the deaths. I have to think that there was NO WAY the local officials were prepared for a mass casualty scenario, thus the slow or no decision making , follow up actions and ensuing deaths of those suffering from avulsion (crush) injuries.
As Ive said before, a tragic accident but fuck me if the scousers arent milking this.
I honestly believe that if the Nazis during the war were Scouse they would still be whinging and whining over a very high gas bill.
@ Goat
Tasteless, funny and yes they milk EVERYTHING.
@Goat
yes they sold the word “justice” CHEAPLY….
Being a Salford red and brought up to hate the scousers I have to say I’m ashamed to read some of these “fans” bigoted views on the Hillsborough disaster. Yes the scousers were involved, but it could have been utd on that day (of course all of our fans are just fucking saints aren’t they!). It has now been PROVEN BEYOND DOUBT that they were not to blame, what more proof is needed to prove the contrary? Did some of you pricks bother reading the report, or are you just too stuck in your ways to accept facts? On Saturday ill be more careful what I chant but it won’t change my opinion of Liverpool – after all I’m there to support utd, like the fans of Liverpool were there for the 96. Maybe some of you keyboard trolls might see a game at OT one day! I fucking love united but more importantly cherish life. Stop being low-lives and show some level of respect.
96 people died at a football match, some people need to fucking get a grip. Imagine if that was one of your family. There are some major fucking arseholes and they give club’s a bad name. Hillsborough was nothing short of a national tragedy. I can’t stand how they forget Heysel, but I also have sympathy for what happened in Sheffield.
Just think, the the police proceed to change official police statements to suit their cover up, a inquest that was a farce and then lies spread to the media. They then hide the truth for 23 years, both Labour and Tory governments kept that from people who had lost their loved ones at a poxy game.
I don’t give a shit if it is Liverfool, this shit is bigger than football, it just happened to happen a football match, it could have been one of ours.
This country is corrupt to the core and it’s only getting worse, this is just one of the symptoms. We have consistent governments spying on us, it’s CCTV, communications monitoring and soon to be everything you do and say on a phone and everything you do on the internet……all the while trying to bring in SECRET COURTS! We help the yanks torture people who have not been tried by any court, let alone a kangaroo one and we are Allies in a couple of illegal occupations with the Yanks, who blow people who they SUSPECT as bad people in other countries with drones. No wonder people have issues with us and we need surface to air missiles to host a sporting celebration like the Olympics FFS.
This shit with Hillsborough is part of some wider shit that nobody seems to bothered about. Well, not until it’s one of theirs…. This shit matters, because it highlights to people how bad things can be. If it takes 23 years to get the facts released on Hillsborough, what else do we not know.
sorry for the rant, but this is a tip of an iceberg. I hope they get justice.
Goat.., you summed it up … A tragic accident… But now ‘Andy’ and his like will try and justify their own agenda over this report …as will the Scousers ….. Not interested in anyone else’s views .., I have my own views over this sad affair and if that makes me out to be a cunt then so be it …. been called worse.
@TonyBee
What exactly is the ‘agenda’ of Andy ‘and his like’?
Cos yours is pretty fucking obvious. Petty tribalism at its most warped extreme.
What’s Andy’s? Ice Cube’s? Could it be decency? Rationality? The realisation that some things are bigger than what team you support?
I know which ‘agenda’ I prefer.
Lone star red . Apologies didn’t read fully your post at 18:07.
Agree that all are to blame fans, police even the FA… All should shoulder some responsibility but the Scousers are looking for scapegoats
Goat and Proverb…. There are a few on here that won’t want Cedarsdevil back on ROM.. You know .., the ones that have had spats with him…. Disappeared then resurfaced since his departure saying the blog is better without him and his so called clique
Ooooh didn’t think it would be long before the blog policeman slithered in… Slimy little weasel .
Kanchelkis agenda in this casei feel is to shift the ble soley onto the authorities. I am not being ‘tribal’ I’m my views . As I have said previously on here I was there… I attended the match and after and during the’incident’ I assisted the hugely overwhelmed emergency services. I know the pressure that the ambulance services and police were under at the time and no report now will change mind.
I consider myself both rational and decent and slightly tribal .. If this upsets you or offends your reasoning to be honest I could nt give a
shit
We can see there is a problem between us here on ROM as our views differ and before we start a slanging match shall we just agree to dislike each other. I shall not respond directly to any of your posts again as it would be a waste of time dealing with someone as sanctimonious as yourself
@TonyBee
Fine. You wallow in your ignorance. You’re obviously beyond help.
All I can say in summary is is thank God that in the end there were enough people around entirely unlike you. to finally get to the truth.
By which I mean the one that’s in a 400-page rigorous report that’s taken 3 years to put together with some 450,000 evidence documents.
TonyBee
Simple way to sum it up. Go to a liverpool match, ask the fans who they are and what they do for a living. You will find one or two are policemen, one or two ambulance staff, some might work for LFC, some may work as administrators at the council. Some might work as building safety officers, some may work at the 999 call center, some may work ………………………
All the people at fault? Why do the uneductaed general populous have this view of us and them. We are them, they are us.
Kanchelskis
The report DOES NOT put blame on anyone just highlight some failings. Changing a report to make people look better in the light of day is a million miles from condemning someone to the courts and toi stand trial.
It really is sad with this pathetic hard done by attitude that isnt solely the bed the scousers seem to want to lie in. Grow up and realise it was an accident, the emergency services and the FA are made up from the general populous not some heartless computers.
Everyone is out to get us! We are the enemy.
Haha. So now we’re supposed to feel sympathy cos the people who failed are people, with feelings and that.
Never mind the feelings of the families of those who died because of their failings; failings that were insititutionally airbrushed out of history.
Proper mental the lengths that some people will go to to justify their ridiculous viewpoint. Proper mental.
kanchelskis
where have i said i dont care about the dead people and airbrushed them out of history.
May I tell you something that might shock you. Every single person who is born at some point dies. If you dont move on then you spend all of life thinking about death.
You also say that it is “proper mental” the lengths that people go to justify their ridiculous viewpoint. How is just let it go, enjoy life and that the people who made mistakes are people themselves a ridiculous view point. Its you that is blinkered, its you that havent changed your stance despite differing opinions to your own. Now thats mental! Of course the people who have lost loved ones will grieve, thats only natural but to blame people for manslaughter is madness as no one was in charge of a tradegy. It was the first time. There were failings but thats all they were.
I wont discuss it more as now its boring.
@goat
“Every single person who is born at some point dies.”
SHIT! NO WAY!!!1
Oh, it’s alright them. Fuck ‘em all.
Jesus.
You said it … You are the one that won’t drop
it …, seems your point of view MUST be valued above all others….
everyone else is a cunt or tribal for not agreeing with your point of view. No one commented on the grief and suffering held by relatives of the deceased rather focusing on others trying to lay blame whilst avoiding part blame themselves .., called passing the buck in anyone’s language. If the’report is to be believed and I stress believed many were at fault. And if the police falsified evidence they should be held accountable of course… But they won’t be as the fans that forced their way in won’t be either
Also, I never said you didn’t care about the dead people, merely that your argument seemend to imply that you cared more for the precious lives of the people who committed errors that day, than the lives of people whose loved ones died in appalling circumstances.
I also didn’t say you did any airbrushing. I said the authorities did. The report has concluded this beyond refutation.
Stop twisting people’s words.
YOU ARE A FUCKING FINE ONE TO TALK …. TWISTING PEOPLES WORDS….IN NO WAY DID I IMPLY SUCH A THING….
I took issue with ANDY and you jumped in, on your fucking high horse as usual, opening mouth before engaging brain and started posturing about this and that…I think we are agreed that we each think the other is a cunt and the no amount posting is going to change my view of that tragic day….
Now that is the last I will post on this subject