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CONFIRMED LINE-UP: United vs West Brom

September 28, 2013

De Gea, Jones, Ferdinand, Evans, Buttner; Nani, Carrick, Anderson, Kagawa; Rooney (C), Chicharito

Scott Patterson

Scott is the editor of RoM and has a season ticket at Old Trafford. He writes for The Mirror, Paddy Power and Red News. He started The Republik of Mancunia in March 2006. Follow @R_o_M on Twitter.

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samuel - united WE stand September 29, 2013

I get bored of coming on here to either read the doom and gloom or the self annointed super "supporters" that point fingers at who is backing the club better and who isn't. Who gives a fuck, opinions will vary on here, let's see some tactical talk, jabbering on about being better whilst sitting on your high horse is equivalent to those that claim united are about to turn into a puff of smoke.

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Joint Junior September 29, 2013

I am no glory hunter or troll. I come here, read multiple of comments and it really gets on my nerves. I comment only when I want to but the most annoying and painful thing on here is when you say the truth about the team or critisise and tell our real problem, people will start calling you glory hunter and so many times.
Don't get me wrong, Yes we need to support the team and back Moyes throughout as he's the manager and I'll always do so and give him some time but lets be honest, we have many average players in team and some of our starting eleven wouldn't even get a place on the bench in some european teams and we are a top club too.

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matty September 29, 2013

SAMUEL, you my friend is indeed a learned gentleman and an observative football fan. By far the post seen in this blog by a long mile.
Spoozypizzas stfu u gloryhuntint twat and go support lester or wycombe were mediocrity is accepted. Stupid plastic fan!

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matty September 29, 2013

SAMUEL, you my friend is indeed a learned gentleman and an observative football fan. By far the post seen in this blog by a long mile.
Spoozypizzas stfu u gloryhunting twat and go support lester or wycombe were mediocrity is accepted. Stupid plastic fan!

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matty September 29, 2013

SAMUEL, you my friend is indeed a learned gentleman and an observative football fan. By far the best post seen in this blog by a long mile.
Spoozypizzas stfu u gloryhunting twat and go support lester or wycombe were mediocrity is accepted. Stupid plastic fan!

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matty September 29, 2013

Imbeciles with rose-tinted shades lacking any form of football knowledge or tactical grasping of the game. They only feel good by calling others trolls and anointing themselves real fans. Yall should go support leiciester,wycombe or some other low-class team to really enjoy being a long-suffering fan.

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Hans September 29, 2013

I hope Ed fucking Woodward and Glazers see this

http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/28/manchester-city-offer-adnan-januzaj-big-money-to-quit-manchester-united-4126866/?

Surely they cannot let this to happen?!!

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pissedOffRed September 29, 2013

I will not whine if Moyes' team showed some fight or the will to win or some tactical attacking play.
They did not and they seemed lost & I hate the fact that we are punting long balls up for our strikers. Typical Everton style.

Pardon me if I am not behind the manager. I am enraged not at the lost. I am enraged at the MANNER of the lost. We hid behind the fact that we lost to bigger teams. Now we have lost to West Brom Albion who had never won in OT for 29 years & we have lost in the same manner we lost to the bigger team which is, the team HAD ZERO tactics and ZERO imagination.

IF we had plundered WBA's goal and didn't get any ball in the net and we lost, I will be upset but not seeking for Moyes to go. The fact is, Moyes is out of his depth.

Don't even get me started on Fellaini. He is the replica of Moyes on the pitch.
I will get behind Moyes if he stops WHINGING to the press about this tactic, that player, lack of intensitiy, finding shinji ETC... Spend more time managing than talking.

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xyz September 29, 2013

@Samuel - interesting post as usual. I agree with a lot of your views, particularly that Smalling deserves a run as first choice centre half, probably alongside Vidic. The one area I don't agree with is writing off Fellaini. I know he announced he wanted to play holding midfield when he arrived but I agree that isn't working alongside Carrick. I was a little depressed yesterday when he came on and sat deep beside Carrick - home and a goal down isn't the time to play 2 deep players. But I would like to see him playing more advanced in a midfield with Carrick - not the off-the-striker roll he played at Everton but just as a central midfielder in front of Carrick. He played there in the second half against City and although you could argue the game was already over, he enjoyed some good possession there. So between now and the next transfer window I'd like to see that combo tried a few times to see how it goes.

The second alternative is to rotate the midfield - Carrick with a lively partner (Cleverly for now, maybe new buy in jan) and Fellaini in the deep roll with a more creative partner - Kagawa maybe? Even Rooney? We are way too reliant on Carrick and I think he hasn't had the best start to the season which explains some of our performances this year so far. I'm clearly not writing him off but it would be nice to have a midfield combo that could be rotated.

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Joint Junior September 29, 2013

Some people are just here to write off Moyes and I hope Moyes proves these fuckers wrong.
Just support him and give him sometime, this ain't his players and so we must be patient and give him at least 2 or 3 seasons.

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The Hound September 29, 2013

Well here is the team I'd like to see start away to Sunderland. De Gea, Evra, Evans, Vidic, Rafael, Carrick, Cleverley, Carrick, Kagawa, Rooney, Januzaj, Van Persie. I'm not conceited about the title no more. That's as good as gone as far as I'm concerned. I want to see Shinji given an extended run in the side for once. Young and Valencia have had their chances and although I like the latter of the two I don't want to see him as a regular no more for United. I want to see Zaha on the bench from now on. Just what is he being excluded for after his promising pre season. Moyes approach has been far too cautious for me and his interviews have rubbed off on the players and inspired no one. Like or hate Mourinho when he talks you listen to him in his interviews like after the Fulham game last week. It was the same with Sir Alex, when he spoke everyone listened. Moyes has been so unconvincing in his speeches and the way he holds himself. Rubbishing the clubs champions league hopes is unacceptable and I don't want to hear any excuses as to why he would do that. He's manager of Manchester United now but he doesn't seem to be able to grasp that. Sir Alex would never write of the clubs chances to compete for the best trophies.

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parryheid September 29, 2013

Joint Junior.

Here's One Fucker who knows he won't be proved wrong,but if your happy with what your getting what does it matter what I think.

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parryheid September 29, 2013

Midfield Man

It already is 1 3 and what bothers me is in a month it could easily be 1 8 or 1 9 with this mug but surely even he couldn't get us 2 0

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matty September 29, 2013

Xyz i respectfully disagree with you sir. Carrick can never operate as a sole dm. He's too slow for that. When u play 4-2-3-1 it affords you the chance to play 2 DMs (carrick and marouane) with one operating on a box to box style and the other as a deep lying playmaker. But like samuel pointed out, they are both too immobile for that and fellaini does not give us the passing range carrick gives us from deep DM. Fellaini is a good player but he's sadly not what we needed.

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Joint Junior September 29, 2013

@Parryheid
No real Man United supporter would be happy with the results but wtf do you expect us to do after six league games? You can't fucking let him go and neither can I so juss get your ass down, support when we lose and support when we win too. You have to give him some fucking time you sucker!

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martin the Nairobian September 29, 2013

no matter how dismally our CB's perform, vidic and smalling should NEVER play together as some of you seem to suggest ...both are terrible passers of the ball,very uncomfortable with the ball at their feet and neither of them has enough confidence to drive forward with ball when our midfielders are marked out.They just keep passing the ball back to De gea too..Johnny Evans should be our first choice CB. noticed majority here don't rate him.Has all the attributes you need for a ball playing defender.From now on vidic should partner Evans. smalling should come in for vidic occasionally while Jones can come in for Evans to partner vidic at times.Rio should be used sparingly until he regains his form.
smalling and jones are pathetic RB 's going forward ..NEVER again should moyes try them there so as to give them game time. its either CB or the bench for them.
Rafael, fabio,Valencia should be the pecking order for RB .evra fabio buttner the pecking order for LB.
On the wings nani should be the automatic choice on the right. Valencia so poor going forward he wouldn't even get into the stoke team .on the left we have to try zaha or januzaj. Young and giggs aren't good enough for this top level.
Rooney has played 6 times as a playmaker behind the main striker this season.his last assist from open play was for welbecks goal vs Swansea.he's been scoring freekicks and taking shots but as a playmaker you need to be opening up defences with creative through balls.I'm of the opinion kagawa should take up the playmaker role for a few games see how performs.left winger ain't working out.yesterday we saw Rooney of last season but because he scored a free kick he's immune from criticism.poor first touch,dropping too deep,indecisiveness in the final third just to mention but a few.
moyes should play kagawa in his preffered position at least before writing him off.Rooney is not undroppable .nobody is.moyes can even try him on the left to accommodate kagawa who imo is more creative ..
maybe I'm too critical but since nothing seems to be working experimentation wouldn't be so bad I suppose.

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xyz September 29, 2013

@Matty - No problem with you disagreeing with my but I don't think you are! You say Carrick can't play as a sole deep midfielder but then say he sits deep beside a box to box midfielder! That's exactly what I'm saying! So I'd like to see Fellaini tried at that more advanced/box-to-box role rather than standing beside Carrick which is what he's been doing most of the time so far, except in the second half against City when he was good. So I'd like to see that tried.

If that doesn't work I'd like to see a rotation of Carrick and (for example) Cleverly, rotated with Fellaini in the deep lying role alongside perhaps Kagawa - I know that isn't Kagawa's first choice position but I'd like to see him tried there.

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dMuzikManUnited September 29, 2013

Sad always when we lose, more so when our play is dissapointing. Hope never lost though. This is Manchester United. Die hard support always. My problem when i see players in a United shirt seem uninterested. A United player must exhibit desire and to that end, no wonder some easily become fan favourites on account of their serious mindedness on the pitch. Got a list, may include some unpopular ones for some off field antics but these are proper United players: the aggressive and skillful, less aggresive but extremely skilled and exciting to watch. In recent times, no particular order: Giggs, Scholes, Fletcher, Ronaldo, Tevez, Rooney, Park, Evra, RvP,Vidic, Ferdinand, Berbatov, Rafael, Evans,Nani, Hernandez, Smalling, Jones, Valencia,Januzaj, Shinji, Zaha. Examine this list carefully n you can add to it. Carrick, i love but think he can do way better. He is awesome but i struggle to see if he's better defensively or attacking wise. Also glad about Fellaini, if he show more aggression, together with a skillful central midfielder, midfield is sorted. Moyes is doing well n will do better. Tell him to play nani always, and januzaj too. Cracking, proper United players always going at defenders. All in all, we'll come good. Got a great squad bar a couple more. No fears. GGMU.

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parryheid September 29, 2013

Joint Junior.

Fucker or Sucker what I want us to do? Empty him pronto he's a liability but hey your happy.

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matty September 29, 2013

Martin you deserve a nobel for that observation you just made. Rooney has been below par in his primary role of a playmaker this season and infact since the days of his patnership with tevez. Rooney is the chief problem the team has had tactically for years now. He means we cannot play a real playmaker behind a more cultured striker. He drops too deep as a playmaker and even deeper as a striker. But barring the rvp buy, i bet him and shinji would have been the magical pairing. I feel like just tearing my. hairs out everytime i see him punt those 40yard passes to the wingers instead of looking for more interplay with rvp and shinji. The english media may love that, but its kinda of a stale buildup tactics. For fudge sakes build it through the middle, give us those interchangeable triangular one-two passing and fluid buildup play of the pre-2010 years. Everything is so mechanical, boring and predictable these days. Just so painful.

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matty September 29, 2013

Xyz, you cannot set up to play only a sole deep lying playmaker as a DM. You'd just leave the team susceptible to counter attacks, you always need a faster more aggressive box to box kinda player to supplement them. Eg xabi alonso(deeplying) and sami khedira(box to box), bastien schweiny(deeplying) and javi martinez(box to box),john obi mikel and ramirez, yaya toure and gareth barry etc.

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Joint Junior September 29, 2013

@Parryheid
Where in my comments did I say I'm happy? I just said lets give him sometime. I personally did not like his apponitment but now that he is our manager and the board has appointed him, all I have to do is to support albeit I personally wasn't a fan of his football at Everton.

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xyz September 29, 2013

@matty - I'll try once more - we are agreeing but you don't seem to see that.

I am proposing trying Carrick deep with Fellaini supplementing him. Not standing deep beside him the whole time but attacking from a little bit further ahead of him and dropping in line to defend - the aggressive box to box role.

If that doesn't work I am proposing alternating a combo of Carrick deep with Cleverly box to box, or Fellaini deep with perhaps Kagawa in the box to box role - failing that Cleverly.

Do you see how we're saying the same thing now?

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Andromeda September 29, 2013

Samuel, mattey and xyz.....enjoyed reading your posts genetleman, specially Samuel"always coming with new ideas"thanks pal!!

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Andromeda September 29, 2013

gentlemen***

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Tommy September 29, 2013

I read about a month back comments from RVP (although he denied saying it) saying he basically did not like Moyes training methods, Well if players don't like their manager in football they don't perform for him! How many times do we see in football players basically get their manager the sack then as soon as a new man is appointed suddenly they look like world beaters! Worried for the weekend if Sunderland have a new man in charge expect them to put in a shift!

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parryheid September 29, 2013

Joint Junior.

Okay I'll accept your not happy.but I would give him the elbow.How a nonentity was hired too manage this club defies belief,with the exception of the C/L game he has emphasized his lack of management skills Zero capabilities imo.

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RedOne September 29, 2013

@Tommy

Kagawa is still 24 and he can be easily taught of being the playmaker. Although I agree that he works best in role behind striker, I believe he possesses the right qualities to become one. Atm, we can`t sign anyone that would complement Carrcik or Fellaini in the midfield. The only options are either Kagawa or Cleverly.

Fergie tried to do that with Rooney last year, but Roo didn`t want that nor had enough breath to do that.

As for the Ando he`s no go for me. He hasn`t been wonderkid for 4y now. True that he had problems with injury setbacks but In my view this wonderkid just hasn`t evolved. Too many mistakes during the match. Maybe true to the fact that he gets tired very quickly. But that just shows that he either has low stamina or has no work ethics. Anyhow, he shouldn`t be played atm when we re in short crysis.

And people, please stop nosense about Moyes getting fired, he just came and needs to settle. Players also needs to settle with Moyes so it could take a while. Remember that Fergie was at 12th place his first season. But then again hadnt the whole season and that were different times. We can only hope that Fergie`s call to appoint Moyes was the last right call in his rich legacy. I think we should be happy with 4th place in this transition time, maybe even hope for sth more if it all plays out well. Let`s just not hope for quick manager changes as that only brings misery long term.

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Tommy September 29, 2013

@redone

Only 2 men to blame for us not having any midfielders and that's a combination of Moyes/woodwood, although it was moyes that decided he would spend all summer chasing a player who never wanted to leave (fabregas), If we finished 4th this season, no top player will want to sign for a club who've just finished 4th and I have my doubts whether any top player will want to sign for Moyes and his outdated tactics. Anything less than 4th and it dont take a genius to work out that Moyes will be sacked!! The club cant afford to miss out on champions league football!!

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Tommy September 29, 2013

I am also sick to death of hearing about transitional periods, How do you go from winning the league by 11 points to struggling, Do Barca, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich go through transitional periods when they change the manager?

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xyz September 29, 2013

@Tommy - didn't Ozil just sign for Arsenal who finished 4th....

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Tommy September 29, 2013

@xyz

Yes he did after holding out for other clubs to come in for him, when it become clear other clubs were not interested he then signed for Arsenal!! That rarely happens!!

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fitz'em'good'n'tight September 30, 2013

matty your a prick

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