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CONFIRMED LINE-UP: United vs West Ham - League Cup

November 30, 2016

De Gea, Valencia, Rojo, Jones, Shaw, Carrick, Herrera, Mkhitaryan, Rooney, Martial, Ibrahimovic.

Scott Patterson

Scott is the editor of RoM and has a season ticket at Old Trafford. He started The Republik of Mancunia in March 2006. Follow @R_o_M on Twitter or @R_o_M7 on Instagram.

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WeAreUnitedddd November 30, 2016

@mirainashe I agree with you 80%, he should have been at least on the bench many times as you put it

this being said, rememebr that willian Ithink had similar case with mourinho that he did not play him from the start or something similar, cuadrado instead was playing and could not cope with PL
bare with me since I really agree with your points, but jus tsaying that
at first Mkitharian was slowly starting to play well, then he got injured, played the city game where he crumbled which is both Joses and his fault, and I think Mourinho was too quick to judge on that game and thought he needs rest for the injury and get integrated slowly

so did not rush him, this being now he's here, the past is the past. now we have him and he's not even at 100%.

Same with Martial although he got gametime, chances after chances and he fluffed them, even though he was not that bad in the games but did not show the desire of last season. wel l iguess Mourinho has managed him well and he responded well o nthe critique he got on thr TV, so kudos to Mourinho

anyway
a trio of martial zlatan mkitharian is deadly
add rooney mata pogba carrick herrera and bastian, and we really are looking a big threat

talking about stepping up!

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ChiRed November 30, 2016

In winning in cups enough games for all good attacking players! Matta has got toughened up playing great!
Martial getting a brace wonderful!

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Mirain November 30, 2016

Zlatan

For me this whole assist argument is not the point. It's the manner and style of player. It's the quality. Look at Zlatan's position for Martial's first goal. This guy is a world class CF. It's that simple. At the beginning of the season i said he needs quick thinking players around him that move around. The only player to have taken full advantage this season is Mata. Zlatan plays with a certain level of intelligence that in my opinion is too obvious. You look at his movement for the first goal. It becomes easy for players like Mhki to take full advantage. Excellent football all round from Zlatan.

When he went on his goal drought we said relax. This is Zlatan. When he starts scoring like this he is unstoppable.

The next step is Mourinho's. Mhki has to play. Mata has to play. Zlatan has to play. Pogba and Herrera have to play. Selecting these players is not rocket science. They clearly select themselves. It's a matter of who plays where. You can't drop Mata for obvious reasons. But we have all seen what Mhki brings. Mhki right. Martial left. Zlatan central. Midfield of Herrera,Pogba and Mata. Even if you put coffee mugs and oranges in front of De Gea i don't care. Don't get the front six wrong. I'm still skeptical about Rooney at 10. But hey, he seems to be in form in whatever position they play him. So he is the dark horse here.

Christmas is a super busy time. Everyone useful should get a game or two under their belt. And please no Fellaini. I don't know what is required to make this happen. If anyone knows please. Get this guy far away from the team. Honestly. There's clearly no fucking room for him. Clearly.

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WeAreUnitedddd November 30, 2016

please no @mirainashe don't start it again HAHA

we've been through this many times, I already said it, in the last 7games 5goals and 3assists (own goal included) + he's been involved almost at every goal as the second passer or something like that

let's be glad we got martial and mkitharian reborn 3.0 and continue with this

no ppoint on arguing with them lol

WeAreUnitedddd November 30, 2016

agree on the all points you made after the zlatan comment

brilliantly put!

ChiRed November 30, 2016

Hope all has been well with you WAU!

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ChiRed November 30, 2016

Good to read Rooney got fiesty and a yellow card! Good United needs that Rooney!

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Ash November 30, 2016

Really happy for martial. No way should lingard should be starting ahead of him. This should be our team against with Everton with pogba instead of rooney.Mkhi has to play. The problem is how to put Mata. If Jose again messes up the line up against Everton then he has to be blamed.

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WeAreUnitedddd November 30, 2016

well Rooney is suspended

SO if we go with a #10 then
Zlatan
Martial Mata Mkitharian
Pogba Herrera

if we go with 433
then
Martial Zlatan Mkitharian
Pogba Herrera
Carrick

what do yo think?

WeAreUnitedddd November 30, 2016

as for Martial, i fuckin love that kid, I know I rave about a certain player but Martial is in the same bracket for me, my favourite last season and favourite this season THE man.

WeAreUnitedddd November 30, 2016

favourite this season with***** THE man

Mirain November 30, 2016

WAU

Wasn't arguing. I always give credit when a player does well. I don't need to argue about Zlatan. The facts speak for themselves. I only remind people here and there. But in truth it's obvious to me. Zlatan by end of season will prove himself to the doubters. In fact, there's very little to say. He is doing the talking on the pitch. But you should obviously know if he plays well I'm going to talk about it. 100%

The truth is the ball is now in Mourinho's court. Truth be told it has always been. He made big blunders along the way. Too many. But the difference is he seems to be willing to concede his mistakes and errors (make no mistake those are errors). The fact that even Schweinsteiger is back in contention is a sign of progress. Exiling players never works well in most cases. The players who know they will be selected relax because the competition is eliminated without being given a chance. Look at Rooney. That was Mourinho's best decision at United so far. Rooney is playing like he is possessed. He just realized "uh oh, this ain't David Moyes anymore. This guy is serious about dropping me. I better pull up my socks". Now that Schweinsteiger is back in business and in contention, players like Herrera know there's no time to relax. Martial seems to have got the memo too. Competition is what will drive us to better standards. Rojo and Jones , I'm not fully impressed but I'm impressed still. Which is different from being completely unimpressed. That's something. Luke Shaw will have his job cut out for him.

Going forward all Mourinho has to do is stop messing up the line up with one two unworthy selections or bad positioning. This group of players as I've always maintained is good enough.

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WeAreUnitedddd November 30, 2016

you misunderstood me,

I said, please don't start it again because it's me and you who go in arguments with them and even if we provide them stats, proof, video etctec they still deny, for me I'm letting from now on Zlatan do the walk and talk lol

But I applaud you for still going at it! from now on I will let you argue with them

as for the rest of your post. SPOT ON SON SPOT ON!!!!!!!

Mirain November 30, 2016

WAU

For me Mata has to play. I know it's hard for people to trust Mata fully. We have been subjected to torturous years of defensive minded formulas. That's one of the reasons why people still find it hard to fully trust Herrera in a two man midfield.

I agree with your lineups though. I'd only add Mata in all of them. The only player that can be dropped is Carrick or Herrera. Because both are just about good enough playing the same role. Herrera plays with urgency and aggression. Carrick plays with stability and tactical superiority. End result is the same. We dominate midfield. So either of them can be dropped. But a case can be made for each of them. Herrera really is more adaptable and agile. Carrick glues midfield and attack together very well. It's a super tough choice. But they can play together as well. Mata can't play all the time given our schedule. But I know he tends to be the least appreciated by all the managers so I'm not too keen on him being dropped. Playing both him and Mhki is easy in my opinion. How do you do it? Well you just do it.

Rooney though, you could be right. You have predicted a bunch of things already so I will oppose at my own peril. I just don't like Rooney at number 10 or worse in midfield proper. Any other forward role for me is ok. But he did play will tonight.

It's exciting though. All of a sudden things are coming together. And I have to say Rooney and Mhikitaryan should take big credit for this.

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Mirain November 30, 2016

Wau

"But I applaud you for still going at it! from now on I will let you argue with them"

I probably will take the same approach of letting him do the talking himself. I'm honestly at a loss to see why people don't see his quality or the facts at hand. It could be about everyone wants Rashford to not fail. And Zlatan to many people stands in his way. And to be fair, Zlatan did go on a horrendous goal drought and missed a bunch of easy chances, which is actually very uncharacteristic of him. And it could also be general frustration with the way things have gone so far.

But that's the past as you say. I was on Rooney's back for years. But when he came on for the Arsenal game I was really impressed. And ever since really he has been impressive. Sometimes players just prove you wrong. I'm not fully convinced yet but I'm at least on the road that gets there.

Let's hope we get another top level performance this weekend. We are looking better and better. It's just the freakin results and a few faults of our own but I've seen a huge huge improvement from the previous managers. He still rubs me the wrong way with his mentality but more often than not he surprises me too.

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WeAreUnitedddd December 1, 2016

I propose you to do that haha

It has o do with rashford but for me it's plain silly, because rashford is getting valuable gametime, not as a striker but so what, look at martial for instance. it's the players that make themselves what they are not the ones playing with them lol

horrendous goal drought? it was 6games in all competitions LOL take the zorya winner goal, then it was 6in PL, BUT Cantona went 13games without goals and RVP 10games or so with us, so yeah that does not loook bad anymore.
this being said he missed easy chances a HUNDRED percent but fekin hell it's a team sport, sanchez and aguero went missing for their teams for a motnh and look at where they are now. others stepped up. it's not only 1player.

I already explained the rooney situation but DITTO½!

"Let's hope we get another top level performance this weekend. We are looking better and better."

I'll leave it like that!

WeAreUnitedddd December 1, 2016

I had to double check so people dont think I lie and this is one of the last ones of stats

before the after the zorya winner in europa, he was 4games without goals
then after the zorya he was 6games without goals in all competititon

and if we dont count europa but only enlgand competition, he was 8games without goals in english competition althoutg in his 8th game he assisted in the city cup game

take the 2cup games off and include only PL, he was 6games without goals in PL

BUT because he scored in the middle of this all against Zorya

he was only 6games without goals in all competition

WeAreUnitedddd November 30, 2016

@mirainashe

I understand you willingness to want to play Mata no matter what and agree he's the easiest to be dropped by the fans and the manager. I like this, that we now have options.

so you'd add Mata even in the 433. in the 3midfield making it
Pogba Mata or Pogba Mata
Herrera / Carrick/Bastian

for me it's hard to do that, because herrera and pogba work so well together and just because of that urgency and aggression ican't see that working, because herrera is everywhere.
Although I do understand dominating the midfield and with this team we can do it everytime, but come the bigger teams, Mata can't be played in a 3man midfield against them, can't see it, ALTHOUGH I understand what you say, but for me it's too risky.

AS for if we play with a #10, then Mata with rooney can fight for that place, it's so even at the moment ,that if we play next sunday against everton with a #10, Mata got lucky rooney got suspended although mata has done even better than him.
but it's a great question to be answered and to analyse. I have to admit.

As for Rooney, he has been dreadful for the past 4 years, okey last seaso nthe 7goals in 7 he was amazing but still full of lackluster, BUt these 4games (agree on the arsenal game him changin the game as you mentioned to others) he has been a monster, he seems to click with zlatan martial and mkitharian, so how i nthe hell can you drop him if he clicks? EVEN if Mata plays amazingly. I just can't see Rooney to be dropped if he continues this way.

for the last 4 years I have not liked rooney anywhere else than as a striker, but fekin hell, these 4 games makes him number one for that #10/second striker role IF we play with a #10. but no matter what rooney has a big role to play this season!

also thanks for the recognition on predictions! it's luck mixed with some knowledge!

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Mark Reid December 1, 2016

Couldn't see the game happy we won Miki mom I read ,delighted for Martial,who needs Pogba we are much better without him.
Big game Sunday away to the Toffees need to win and then beat Spurs get us in contention for top 4.

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WeAreUnitedddd December 1, 2016

a shame you did not seee the match, it was amazing

and also don't get us started on pogba, REMEMBER

I already said to you, be patient and you will see at the end, BTW these kind of performances we've had with Pogba in the lineup also, this time only someone else stepped up and scored also ;)

but be patient my friend, be patient

Ash December 1, 2016

I don't think people understand the Importance of pogba. As much as I love Herrera and Carrick, pogba offers more going forward than those two and is much stronger. Anyways I am not here to defend pogba as I know he is a regular for us so no worries for me over his place.

Like pogba, Herrera Mata and mkhit also need to be regular. I am inclined to drop Carrick but then stats show he starts and we score goals for fun so it cannot be coincidence he does something really good. Dropping Mata would be a sin considering he has been our best player. The choice will always come whether to play 3 man midfield or 2 midfielders with 4 attackers upfront.

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WeAreUnitedddd December 1, 2016

exactly about pogba and his importance + Martial needs to be a regular

look as I put it and now you added it

the frontline of Martial Zlatan Mkitharian has to be a must in most of the PL games and the important games outside of it.

so if we play with a #10 it has to be Mata as a #10 but the way rooney is playing and becoming a force and with the history between mourinho and mata and mourinho loving rooney, rooney will probably top it BUT Mata and Rooney in this kind of form has to fight for the #10, if roone ydrops his form, we all know how easily is to put Mata there

if we play with a 3man midfield then I just can't see Mata there in the middle although @mirainashe gave good examples of it, so mata will fight for those wing-spots against Mkitharian.

this is in all honesty very good for us, we as United supporters need to be happy that we're so close of finding the perfect team and on top of that having hungry players competing for the places!!

CMON UNITED!

Mark Reid December 1, 2016

WAU ha ha mate knew I'd get you going.

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WeAreUnitedddd December 1, 2016

You little fe(u)ker HA HA

Marq December 1, 2016

So what was the discussion about Zlatan again? Lol

I'm expecting those naysayers / Mourinho & Zlatan haters to come out and say it was only West Ham etc

Sure we have lots to improve. Especially the part about conceding really really soft goals. But cut that out, and you can see us doing really well. For all the finger pointing, you need to remember most players need time to get used to our league, even ultra established ones

On Zlatan alone. Just touch your heart and ask yourself. Were you ever worried that he would be a flop during his drought? It was never a concern for most. Sure he ain't gonna bang in 30 goals, but he is definitely up there amongst the best strikers in the league. Arguably with only Aguero being a sure pick ahead of him

Zlatan is not here to bring us to the next level with his goals. He is here to bring out the best in the players running in behind him, i.e. Martial, Rashford, Mkhitaryan & Mata. Its not how Mourinho uses Martial & Rashford. The ball is in Martial & Rashford's court to use Zlatan the right way and benefit for themselves

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WeAreUnitedddd December 1, 2016

Mate in all honesty
Im just enjoying that martial mkitharian zlatan and rooney got to play together + add pogba and mata with bastian later in the mix and voila

As for your main point, mate never concerned, there have been many outrageous posts and claims, people habe been scapegoating the wrong guy, anyway, like i said to @mirainashe, imma let him do the walk and talk, because this is getting ridiculous

PS watch him go 3games without scoring and all the doom and gloom coming back lol

Also one more point, if your main striker goes on a drought, others need to step up
Now it seems martial rooney mata and mkitharian are able to help him with this
Long may it continue!

WeAreUnitedddd December 1, 2016

Just to make it fun
In 20games he's started involved in 15goals directly
He has 11goals 2legit assists + that own goal and rashford watford goal

+ all the second passes like to valencia tonight or rooney that one night

Amazing stuff, now imma really leave it here!

Peace

Mark Reid December 1, 2016

WAU watched highlight wow very good the passing,the interchanging the movement and the finishing more plz.

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WeAreUnitedddd December 1, 2016

Long may it continue!!

Also same answer for you too
I just enjoyed that martial mkitharian zlatan and rooney got to play together + add pogba and mata with bastian later in the mix and voila

Hopefully the same on sunday, i'll take a scrappy own goal at the 96th minute!!!
That is how much we need it

CR December 1, 2016

The first thing that stood out for me in this match was the crowd. The atmosphere was great, and it permeated onto the pitch, which is where I noted much more urgency, pace and free-flowing football. I'd go as far as to say this was possibly the best match I've seen post-SAF. Not necessarily in terms of quality, but in intention.

Perhaps the biggest revelations were Martial and Mkhitaryan. Whatddayaknow listening to us the fans clamoring for these two on each side of Ibra actually worked. Especially Martial seemed fired up, if we can get the best out of him we are a force to reckon with. But Mkhitaryan too - I think he showed he should be our first choice right forward which we all suspected he could be. Maybe Mourinho will take note of this and listen to us more on other issues as well.

But it wasn't just those two. Everyone played well. Rooney for one has definitely hit form. I think it only benefits him to be a squad player as it means he gets some extra rest, which will prolong his career. I've also said I hope Schweinsteiger can stand in for Carrick in some games. Maybe this was the beginning of that.

It doesn't matter that DDG made a mistake, that Ibra should have scored at least one more goal, that this was only the league cup against West Ham etc. If we play like this we will get either top four or win the EL this season, I'm convinced of it.

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Marq December 1, 2016

Another good thing about this game & win is that we can stop reading about how Liverpool have unearthed the next Messi and that Klopp will have their academy churn out stars after star, just because they had a young boy score a pretty normal goal

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CR December 1, 2016

@Mirain,

"I'm honestly at a loss to see why people don't see his quality or the facts at hand"

Personally I see his quality. All I've said is that he should have played less, in favor of Rashford and/or Rooney. That he shouldn't be immune against critique or being questioned.

What I don't see though is a striker that will get us back to the very top (league title, challenging in the CL). Two very, very easy goals against West Ham, plus decent overall play, plus a few missed easy chances has not changed my mind on that.

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Zana December 1, 2016

Morning and happy united win. It was a stunning performance. Yes it was only carling cup game and yes it was only Westham but the reality tells you that the game was like a final for us and in all honesty Westham is one of the finest team when it comes to defending and taking rhe scarsest opportunity, they are still one of those team that is hard to be broken in defense. So yes that was a great victory and pur form tells the story of great things are coming.....go united

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Yusuf_Israel December 1, 2016

My three saddest part of this season isn't really we dropping points. They are:

-When I see fellani on the bench
-Mourinho and how he suffered we fans in the Micki fiasco
- Condemning Bastian even before he kicks a ball.

Really happy for last night.

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Marq December 1, 2016

Reading about how Liverpool & Leeds supporters singing together 'stand up if you hate United"

Freaking hilarious they dedicated their time to sing a song on us instead of supporting their team. At least Liverpool can bang on about history, what have Leeds got?

Such a sad bunch of peeps with so much jealousy in them

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Mirain December 1, 2016

CR

"What I don't see though is a striker that will get us back to the very top (league title, challenging in the CL). Two very, very easy goals against West Ham, plus decent overall play, plus a few missed easy chances has not changed my mind on that."

I have a feeling your mind will be changed. Ibrahimovic just a few months ago was being talked about in the same breath as Messi and Ronaldo. When I say a few months ago I'm not saying that's when it started. I'm just saying it's not long ago that he was being hailed as the best of the best. So if he is not good enough for top honors then who is? We can't talk theoretical issues like "he is 35 he can't play every game". He's one of the fittest players we have. He clearly can play every game. But I think he will prove himself more and more. Let's see by the end of this month how things go

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Hendrix knightsmith December 1, 2016

Mirian,,
I must admit I thought Zatlan had run out of steam and as finding the premiership tough .

But he has come back with a bang and is scoring again, so not a lot can be said, he is doing his job.

Some of the other players seem to be getting back on track which is good

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lims December 1, 2016

That's was some second half, you could smell the intent from the off and you have to give that to the manager for getting them ready, though the players would have felt bad after the weekend and boy did they put it right.
Rooney needs to be up against it to show what he's made of it seems. Gotta give a nod to herrera as well he's coming along nicely.

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Zana December 1, 2016

I am irked and frustrated by the ongoing blayant referee decisions, the goal Keeper Bryan could break Zlatan's leg just above his knee for cheap in the first goal, he deserved a yellow card at the least of all possibilities. And Rooney's face laceration that caused by a leg held right to his face, that could have been fatal to be honest...As usual we will get all the shit from referees!!!!our players should be protected the same way FA protecting a bottle of water kicked by Jose!!!!

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CR December 1, 2016

That's pretty funny how some haters downvoted my thoroughly positive comment.

Mirain,

If we end up winning the league this season with Ibra in the starting line up, then I'm willing to change my mind. If not, then I'll still think he's a good player, just not the final solution of what we need at 9 right now. I thought he played pretty well last night. I'm not going to say anything other than that most in-form strikers would have buried those goals too, though. Plus scored at least another one.

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WeAreUnitedddd December 1, 2016

@mirain

No he wont see it, he will continue doing it, i even brought stats and ive seen sweden play with him before he's been 35, all of the stats and football show how crucial he has been for them helping them go to the euros and go through qualifications and he still said zlatan has done nothing

So even winning will not change his mind

You keep contradicting yourself with zlatan @cr, you dont like him point and blank. You say any in form striker would habe buried those eh? What or he missed both and was on 0 goals, your response would be outragrous

Now you claim that and then tryong to be sneaky on the comments by saying "it was only west ham in efl, could habe scored one more"

LoL give it a rest matr honestly

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WeAreUnitedddd December 1, 2016

I myself downvoted you brcause you tried to be sneaky on that comment

In the others i gave you an upvote!

CR December 1, 2016

WAU,

"You keep contradicting yourself with zlatan @cr"
Not sure whether you understand the meaning of contradict. I have said that he is still our first-choice striker but that he should played "a bit" less and frankly should have been downright dropped for a few games during his drought (when you were away hiding from the inconvenient reality). Like all or at least most players should be during such circumstances.

That his goals in this match were easy is a fact. Also that he had more chances to score which he missed (happens to all strikers). I did say his overall play was decent. It wasn't spectacular or Messi-like or even Cantona-like. Possibly you've over-interpreted my criticism of Ibra as me slating the player.

"No he wont see it, he will continue doing it, i even brought stats and ive seen sweden play with him before he's been 35, all of the stats and football show how crucial he has been for them helping them go to the euros and go through qualifications and he still said zlatan has done nothing"
What I said/meant was the Sweden has won nothing with Zlatan. I compared that to pre-Zlatan years when we finished third, second, fifth and third in the World Cup. All of that is just fact. It doesn't contradict other facts, like Ibra being the highest scorer etc. Football is a team game though.
And currently we (here I mean United) are sixth in the table, but I'm very hopeful of the team improving that. Like I said in another post, this was probably the best I've seen us play post-SAF.

"You say any in form striker would habe buried those eh? What or he missed both and was on 0 goals, your response would be outrageous"
If he had missed those chances pretty much everyone except for you would have criticized him, yes. FFS they were a one-on-one with the keeper and a tap-in.

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WeAreUnitedddd December 1, 2016

okok fair enough, Ithink zlatan is doing the talking and we are misunderstanding each other a bit, nothing personal though I bet in both fronts! but you do contradict. anyways

but while you did win before zlatan something, it is a team sport, and it has been highly unlikely even when larsson ljunberg zlatan were at their top form for you guys to go past italy brazil spain argentina france etc in euros or world cup although you've gotten close.

after larsson and ljunberg mellberg etc retired, it has been zlatan keeping yo u guys up while playing with the likes of kjallstrom larsson (the bad one) etc
it was never the same like it was with ljunberg etc

so it has nothing to do with zlatan but the fact, sweden just wasn't the team to win anything ALTHOUGH you were at that time one of the best european teams in my opinion

he's (along with the team, but he's provided the goals) got you through into the euros world cups etc, so he's done something, one player does not win games though, the same applies when you won something, one player was not the reason!

CR December 1, 2016

*What I said/meant was the Sweden has done nothing of much note with Zlatan in the team.

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WeAreUnitedddd November 30, 2016

cheers and nice seeing you also here! hopefully all is good mate!

yeah that cunt scored 2.

btw rooney is game after game showing what he was about, you see @chi, if he gives us these performances like he's done for the past 4games, trust me, I will never get on his back!

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WeAreUnitedddd November 30, 2016

this was for you @chired

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