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LIVE BLOG: Bournemouth vs United

December 12, 2015

Daniel Stapleton

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CONFIRMED LINE-UP: Bournemouth vs United

STATS: What has Nick Powell done this week?

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cantonafanclub December 13, 2015

nothing lvg does upsets me because i've only ever viewed him as a man to stop us sinking into oblivion til the man the board really wants becomes available. guardiola. im sure guardiola wanted just a little bit more experience before taking on Utd.

in 3 years, lvg's remit from the club is to only keep us in top 4 and rebuild squad. maybe there;s a requirement to win at least the league in his 3rd year. but what would be the point of sacking him if he doesnt win the league in the final year of his deal?

its pointless getting upset over lvg. hes clearly there to try and bring as many kids thru as possible so the board save money on transfer fees. we'd be far better off just getting behind the team so the next man has a project he can hit the ground running with. its not pretty but i think there'll be a massive upside down the line from all these kids getting blooded in big games.

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trevor knightsmith December 13, 2015

cantona,

The bloke is useless .

We do get behind the team, if they, and the manager played with half as much passion we wouldn't be in this predicament .

We have only won three of our last twelve matches .

We play the most tedious, mind numbing football n the division

Cannot even score at home against the might of Newcastle, West ham, Middlesborough, or PSV.

And how are Hernandez and Wilson doing?

I find it hard to believe that these players would be as bad under another manager .

Van Gaal a Dutch disease we cannot get rid off !

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trevor knightsmith December 13, 2015

"of"

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cantonafanclub December 13, 2015

ok, lets assume LVG gets sacked, who would you suggest we hire for 18 months til guardiola leaves bayern?

like i said before trevor, we dont know what goes on behind closed doors. when players come in players have to leave, and how do we know LVG wasnt told you can only keep 1 of chicha, wilson and welbeck?

which one would you have kept?

and who at the end of last season wouldve predicted such a massive plummet in form from rooney?

no-one.

i think Wilson is prob better off on loan too. He's a great talent but i think he's inches away from the 1st team at the minute. We've got injuries and it is what is it.

fergie never used to get this shit when we were riddled with injuries and playing shit. i've sat thru enough of those games.

what im hearing is people complaining that we arent playing sexy football when we're fielding carling cup sides.

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trevor knightsmith December 13, 2015

cantona,

He won't get sacked .

It is the dire football that is the problem.

He is a nice man, but has had his day .

Even with the injuries we still fielded a side costing £150M against Bournmouth, we we were out thought, and out fought by a side which until this season were used to playing sides such as Rochdale .
And if we're honest, they were by far the better side, so i'm not meaning to belittle them .

There is a reason why we are getting booed of the pitch at Old Trafford, and the reason is LVG, he is a cancer that is spreading through the club.

How anyone can defend him and his dismal football is beyond me

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cantonafanclub December 13, 2015

thats the point, im not defending him. im highlighting he was nothing other than an interim manager. interim managers dont have the same remits as longer term ones.

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trevor knightsmith December 13, 2015

cantona,

Don't think Giggs is the answer either.

Unfortunately I think we are entering a period similar to post Busby, when it took us a few goes to get it right .

Don't take to much notice of me though, I'm just grumpy

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb318/knightsmith/old%20git_zpsdcsbv5aj.jpg

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cantonafanclub December 13, 2015

ha. the thing thats always struck me with giggs is he just doesnt sound like a leader in the way gary neville does when he speaks. giggsys always had the deer in the headlights look about him.

i honestly dont think the futures that dismal. LVGs getting the place ready for pep like he did at barca, then the gary neville dream team will take over. we might actually have the next 20\25 years mapped out...

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trevor knightsmith December 13, 2015

Cantona,

Did you see the documentary about Salford City, owned by the Nevilles, Nicky Butt, scholsey and Giggs?

Giggs hardly said a word.

Gary Neville came over very we ell though

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trevor knightsmith December 13, 2015

"well"

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cantonafanclub December 13, 2015

i havent seen it cos i live in america now. gnev has a highly commanding presence. if hes truly as tactically astute in real life as he makes out on TV, then the very next fergie is sitting right there.

is that docu online anywhere?

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iamMatty December 13, 2015

Exactly how can i blame the players, when evidence shows they leave van gaal and almost always resurrect their careers else where.

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Mark Reid December 13, 2015

The thing that baffles me the most is why so many injuries?A few seasons now.

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trevor knightsmith December 13, 2015

"Cantona" That should have said

Mark,

I think one of the reasons we get so many injuries is because 90 minutes isn't enough time for them to get warmed up

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m09538061 December 13, 2015

People should put things into perspective. Yesterday's team was probably one of the youngest teams in Prem History 5of which came through the academy (reminds me of 1996 v Villa ) On the downside the reason why we had to play such a young side is because the Manager has got rid of to many quality experienced players.
In conclusion we have no right to win anything just because of our name and the future is bright.

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trevor knightsmith December 13, 2015

m09538061,

We were playing against Bourmouth for goodness sake, and still had De Gea, Blind, Carrick, Fellaini, Mata, Memphis and Martial .

How much did they cost compared to Bournmouth ? .

Of course we don't have a right to win, but it is the shameful way we meekly go about things that is so galling .

None of the players he has bought have really performed, I think his system is to blame more than anything .

We have won thee out of out last twelve games, and will probably be put of the top four later.

That is putting things into perspective

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Lims December 13, 2015

What I don't understand , is, this is the same manager the players played for last season. It wasn't preety but by the end of may we all new what needed improving and it seemed the only way was up. What happened at the start of this season I don't know but something did happen.
Its the Moyes situation all over again, the players aren't buying into the manager. Why I'm not sure, he may be strict and hive weird tendencies but he's brought good ideas to the table to take us to a higher level. Good defence with an ethos on keeping the ball. Its the fine details and that little bit of extra magic that's missing. That's where man management comes in I suppose and it looks like that's the Achilles heel of LVG

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Teezed December 13, 2015

Its clear as day that lvg is not right for utd

Hes wasted 250 mill and produced one of the worst lineups in premier league history yesterday.
Not just that,its been bloody awful football. Nothing gives you the idea that things are changing or that they will change.

Theres two options for the board

A.) get rid of lvg now.
B.) dont get rid of him. Chance of not qualifying for europe next year and see our adidas contract hit badly (there is a clause in there to see it significantly reduced if we dont get in the top four)

Its up to the board to choose between mediocrity or the best.

If spurs win today they will be fourth. I honestly see liverpool and spurs as huge threats to our top four hopes and are playing better than us.

Ancelotti is out there,pep is free at the end of the season.

How can they trust this boss with another kitty after what he has done with the previous one? He has sold off all our strikers and left us with a 20 yr old frenchman who isnt a striker in his mind and is already feeling lvgs philosophy the same way depay and di maria did. Rooney is too...he is still a good player. Just watch him for england.

Lvg has destroyed this team. Destroyed players and i believe he has lost the dressing room.

Its time for him to go

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Lims December 13, 2015

The LVG out brigade is in full force. Right let's sacknhim in the middle of the season. When are you simpletons going to realise these kind of decisions aren't made on a whim.
I watched the game yesterday and I'm not sure what LVG could have done that the players didn't know to do already. Add to that the young back line.
I can't wait till we get pep or ancelotti and if God forbid things don't go right, to hear the realist announce ,"don't you know pep is shit" he only manages world class players like messi, let's get rid before we become a joke

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Lims December 13, 2015

Teezed

Wasted 200 million plus you say, so its the players who are crap then, right? Is that what you're saying?

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Mark Reid December 13, 2015

The second half yesterday summed it up perfectly not one except for Carrick and DeGea should have been on the pitch,now circumstances as they are with injuries it's understood.The players we did bring in were poor replacements and haven't lived up to standard blame on bad scouting coaching or whatever but it's apparent.

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Mark Reid December 13, 2015

Lims I don't think Pep or Ancelotti will turn it around either it's a cultural thing unfortunately it's going to take time to get back.Can you imagine being the manager at Old Trafford 75,000 the Sir Alex stand looking down on you the history must be daunting we are going to have to be patient in this day and age though,,,

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ashtheking December 13, 2015

"I can’t wait till we get pep or ancelotti and if God forbid things don’t go right, to hear the realist announce ,”don’t you know pep is shit” he only manages world class players like messi, let’s get rid before we become a joke"

Shhh Lims you are not supposed to say that here as that may hurt feelings of many supporters here. ;)

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Xyth X December 13, 2015

@Lims

Right manager will do wonders. Look at Klopp at Loserpool. Yes they lost to Newcastle, but the sorry team under Rodgers beat Chelsea and Shitty away, and put 6 past Southampton. It only shows what change of mentality does and we desperately need that! At the moment it is obvious that United is a depressed team, with no clue whatsoever. And this is all down to LvG and his fucking 'philosophy'. For a club like United, injuries should never be an excuse!

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samuel_WE_stand December 13, 2015

What does your way of speaking have to do with your ability as a manager? Gary Neville likes to talk big but he is facing a challenge at valencia. They don't care about his romantic notion of how he sees the game. He will get maximum a few months to get valencia winning. No one has any proof that gigs isn't a leader, besides, your actions speak louder than words. I still believe gigs has to go out there and gain managerial experience. He should be no where near a top job. Neither should any of the so called class of 92.

This club has to wake up from the mess it finds itself. They are too slow to take action and in turn, they let the negative situation fester. If they had got rid of moyes earlier by being ruthless as a top club should be then they wouldn't be in this position. All they seem to do is get bogged down by "romance". That somehow time will change a situation. That's wrong, it depends on how an individual uses the time. Vangaal has misused not only time but also resources. He is an outdated manager who is desperately trying to leave his legacy. His tenure so far is reminiscent of an amateur who seemingly has lost his way and is experimenting to get out of it.

The problem with united is, the club seems ridden with people who have outdated ways of how a club should be run. In that sense, Manchester United has still not evolved progressively in terms of football. The marketing part of the club is seemingly great, in fact it is brilliant but one crucial thing they seem to forget is or at least reluctantly is the fact a team's performance on the pitch plays a crucial role. United symbolises a certain ideology and that's winning with style. It attracts sponsors which ultimately benefits the club. As of now, the footballing side is awful and inevitably, that will start affecting business. Perhaps they need to appoint people that do understand the game in a progressive way. I am not convinced Woodward does, his specialty is amassing profit for the club. All his decisions so far as a CEO have affected the club negatively.

Vangaal is just another latest chapter in United's history, he will placed on the scrap heap soon enough. The question the club faces is this, are they aiming to step out of this rot and into the light or are they prepared for a long period of decline?. They let man city get above them by being negligent and arrogant. If they are not careful, they will fall further behind. They have to be proactive.

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samuel_WE_stand December 13, 2015

What good defence did moyes bring? The team already had Chris SmalLing before he arrived. Blind is an average utility player who has been shoved into the center back role because he is left footed. Shaw was bought before he arrived. The only defenders he bought was darmian and rojo. Damian is not a bad player and rojo is just average. Vangaal turned united into an impotent force with zero productivity in order to make up for his poor management. He can't seem to find balance between defending and attacking. He gets lots of money and has bought erratically. The defence has always been shambolic. Only de gea and SmalLing are keeping it from being ripped into shreds. They've also got lucky because the clear cut chances by the opposition players get seems to get wasted a lot.

He is now playing lots of younger players to appease gullible fans with a sense of romance. He knows he has cocked it all up and hence comes out with gabbage in post match confernces. He is the only manager that over uses the term "philosophy". A manager should be laying the so called progressive philosophy on the pitch, as evidence, not in front of a camera trying to sound like a pioneer of the game. He is deluded and backward, he is getting found out in one of the toughest leagues.

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samuel_WE_stand December 13, 2015

What good defence did van gaal bring*

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samuel_WE_stand December 13, 2015

Trevor - it's not self entitlement. This club has standards that have been set and those standards ought to be met. No club can win all the time but they must have the desire to do so. Manchester United has an embarrassment of resources, and in that sense, it should have more chances of success. It's basic logic.

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trevor knightsmith December 13, 2015

Samuel,

I was just answering someone else.

Manchester United are meant to be a world class team, where are our world class players ? .

Of course we should have high standards, and being in the Europa League and being outclassed by Bournemouth shouldn't come into the equation.

The rot has set in, and has to be addressed rapidly .

We are truly shocking, and in years to come Van Gaal will be seen for what he is, one of the worst managers we have ever had

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trevor knightsmith December 13, 2015

Samuel,

I also have a feeling that something strange is afoot, why isn't Young being used ?

And although I don't like him, I have a suspicion that Rooney isn't injured

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thomas December 13, 2015

WTF rubbish are you spouting now? You have 'a feeling' and 'a suspicion'. Go join the police or stick to reading the Sun than assuming crap. I'm so glad (most of) the people who run football clubs don't base their moves on all these kneejerk and crybaby illogical decisions.

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trevor knightsmith December 13, 2015

Thomas,

Have you ever heard of "tongue in cheek" ?

Obviously not !

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thomas December 13, 2015

You need to get outside more. Every post on this site seems to be filled with your mundane comments.

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trevor knightsmith December 13, 2015

Thomas,

Well don't read them then .

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Lims December 13, 2015

Don't bother correcting yourself Samuel, its a mistake only you would make. And, what defence? Really?
Or how about keeping possession? I'll admit that it hasn't borne fruit yet the possession but like I've been pointing out, who's failing to put the ball in the back of the net.

Hes playing younger players because it is the United way, just in case you've all forgotten and due to the injuries. You can try and mitigate for all factors before a season starts but when the season does start you can bet a problem not planned for will rear its head.

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Lims December 13, 2015

Xyth

With a better insert whatever anything will be better. The point is its this man we have as our manager and collectively its not working as expected. Wasn't it the same LVG we played for last season, the very same one that finished on an upward trajectory. Only for the new season to come and we start hearing excuses about strictness, about the notebook or being afraid of being dropped. Try as he might LVG is actually doing his best to shield them but the players themselves are only to eager to hide behind the manager. I have a theory, the ADM sale didn't go to well with the group and has caved in by letting the other superstar play irrespective of form, he is after all the mascot of the club and all the players "like" him, they see him as a success if the club and something to aspire to

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Marko Maric December 13, 2015

First, Pep is free after summer. Not after 18 months.
What bothers me with Pep is new league, and actually he never showed me what kind of manager he is. Maybe he is world class, but it s hard to show what kind of manager you are with Messi in team, or MSN attack. And how he would adapt to PL.
I was saying that Klopp is good, but experts were saying that his results are nothing special, when you win 2or3 Bundesliga against team that has 2or3 times bigger budget. Now we see different. I just hope that Liverpool and Tottenham wont finish above us.
When people talking about Pocettino or Klopp, they basically saying that those manager who are not world class, with less money and average to good players, threating us and atracking top4. They earn less, and have less money for players, and still playing better.

Ancelotti, have been in PL before, so i think that he would be better choice. Pep said that he dont want to be to long in any club, so he wont be in United for 10 years, Ancelotti either....so like someone said forget about United WAY of haveing managwr for 25 years. That will never happend again.

@iamMatty "Like i said during the moyes era, the most painful thing is watching useful players get sold by inept managers. They tell you the players dont meet their demands and sell them to mask their actual tactical cluelessness."
The worst thing is that fans also believe that. It always about player, and when he dont play good, its coz he is not good enough. Hahahha i m having a fight with these experts all the time.

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United24 December 13, 2015

Another morning after, another set of excuses.
Fact: We have many injuries.
Background: Why is that, and who did not anticipate this? Who dissipated the squad because he preferred a thin squad. Who refused to buy another defender when everyman and his dog knew we had only 2 central defenders left, at least one of whom has a consistent record of being injury prone. Wasn't it his plan to play more square pegs in round holes and play touth? Now you have your McNair, Varela and Jackson featuring in important games, so why use that as an excuse for our performance. You can't have it both ways.

Fact: A lot of youth are playing.
Observation. How has that helped us or them. Which of them has made progress except probably Lingard. I ask again,if all LVG is supposed to do is bring youth through, have you seen ANY progress with Januzaj, Blackett, McNair, Perreira. Even Memphis and Martial are stagnating. What is the point of Powell? It seems we are playing the lottery here. Add Tanzebe, Varela and Jackson, and in 2017, two of them will inevitably make it, and we will boldly declare that LVG brought youth through . At what cost to the club before then?

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Dan Young December 13, 2015

okay so sitting back and THINKING about all this, i cant help but feel that LVG cant really stay beyond this summer.

people need to realise, he wasnt brought in to bring success, he was brought in to steady the ship and build the next great united side. any successes that we get along the way are just a bonus, but put simply, LVG was never and will never be the long term solution, he is simply a builder in charge of a transitional period

with that taken into account, i think he is actually a year ahead of schedule. the deadwood has been shipped on (only one that was wrong is hernandez being sold) when we arent fighting against a ridiculous injury list we have a very strong team unit that can solidly defend against the very best, the only thing really lacking is a potent attack, BUT until luke shaw was injured we were far more dangerous

one thing you have to realise is defensive solidity is created by management and coaching, an attack comes down to personnel. you cannot tactically coach an attack it comes down to the individual ability of your attackers. dont get me wrong a coach can make decisions to make an attack stronger, but ultimately it comes down to individual brilliance/ability/vision to create/score a goal.

we have an attack that is lacking form, experience and in some cases - pace. which is ultimately down to transfers and line ups decided by the manager. so, LVG is to blame.

but, any manager that comes in will have the same issues in attack. so sacking LVG right now dosnt make any sense as the new manager will be up against it from the very start.

personally, i would keep him on until the summer (unless we seriously start to decline) and then bring in a manager who will have a ready made defensively solid squad that needs an injection in attack. mainly due to the fact different managers would look to different options in the transfer window so having LVG spend millions again would be an expensive short term fix to a problem the next manager would have again.

looking at what we have got, i would say we have the next eras starting 11 mostly set up.

darmian - smalling - ??? - shaw
------------ schneiderlin
-------- herrera --- ???
??? --------------------------- depay
-------------- martial

so, on paper, i would say we need a LCB (unless jones steps up), a LCM (to compete with schweini) and a RW. on top of that i would say a striker is required to compete with martial and wilson in the future.

LVG seems to want stones, tielemans and ronaldo whilst sticking with rooney as the striker

pep/simeone/ancelotti etc may want very different

personally, i would go with bale (james rodriguez, mane), pogba (barkley, pjanic) and lukaku (kane, benzema). whilst seeing rooney, young, fellaini and maybe even valencia, mata sold.

i dont want to see mata go, but in a 4-3-3 (which is what i want and feel suits our players most) he does not fit in effectively atall

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samuel_WE_stand December 13, 2015

Lims - keeping possession? That's what Mr Louis Vangaal has laid as foundation in the last two years..? That's why he has done having spent the equivalent of a small country's GDP for the next 10 years. He is playing younger players because he is trying to paper over the mess he created. He got rid of several players and never really replaced those players properly. He knows a lot of fans are romantics and would fall for the "we are bringing youth through" policy. United's policy is to blend experienced players with younger players so they develop well. He is throwing them all in, in the hope that something will click. Go on, explain why Nick powell, a player that seemed to have lost his way suddenly finds himself coming on in the Champions league?.. explain bringing fellaini on for long ball despite the fact you claim "possesion" is his philosophy. He is an outdated manager hanging on desperately to his previous successes. He still bangs on and on about bayern and Barcelona despite the fact those teams inevitably sacked him. Still brings up Ajax because he has done nothing at club level management for years (AZ alkmaar doesn't count, even Steve McLaren won a title with Twente). He is as deluded as moyes was and still is. The only difference is, moyes has no leverage to stand on because he has won nothing.

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Mancdub December 13, 2015

Marko. You must really like Fabio. He's the only player Moyes sold. I think Kagawa and maybe Zaha should of been given more of a chance. Possibly Nani because of past glories. I was a lot more upset when Fergie sold Whiteside, McGrath, Ince, Hughs, Kanchelskis, Stam, Beckham and Ruud. Have I missed anyone?

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samuel_WE_stand December 13, 2015

I am still baffled as to what defence Vangaal seems to have laid. That back four is Marshalled by an improved SmalLing and a top class de gea. Beyond those two, I am struggling immensely to see what improvements there are defensively. Teams come to old trafford and create at least a few clear cut chances. They just never put it away and that somehow is regarded as a great defence. The next manager has a massive job because Louis has done little to nothing since he became manager. Secondly, you don't spend almost 300mill on players to steady the ship. Investors will want a credible return. Vangaal was appointed a goal to improve the club's standing in Europe as well as premier League. They've given him all the resources but has messed it up.

United are currently on the brink of dropping out of the top four. There is a huge chance that they may not make it for the 2nd time in 3 seasons. An absolute embarrassment on the club's part as a "global force". No one seems to have learned from Liverpool's decline.

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Dan Young December 13, 2015

samuel - your comment is ridiculous. we have one of the best defensive records in the league for 2 seasons now.
'investors will want a credible return' - how about UCL football and a complete squad overhaul which they clearly believe in as they funded it?!

not that i expect a reasonable comment from you. all your comments come down to personal opinion and your opinion has been called out many times as bullshit. my entire comment can be backed up by facts

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United24 December 13, 2015

We gave an apparently strong defence because we shield them, and we keep the ball, and teams pack the bus. We are a great set up for 0-0.
We dared teams to open up (and attack us). The end result is two big losses.
As someone said, LVG doesn't know how to set up a team to be both offensively and defensively sound...

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Lims December 13, 2015

Small country's GDP? What country would that be , "little Britain"?
You mock the possession ability, yet we all know its the way to go when trying to reach a higher level. What separates the great ones is the ability to do something with that possession.
Ami right in saying you think he should have kept an under performing Rio or a finished vidic. Or is it RVP? Oh wait I know, Hernandez, well kudos to little pea banging it in for Leverkusen but its not the same playing for United. He was bought as a starter for them, it was clear he was no starter for United. Or are we talking about Nani? Yeah I'd like to see you justify that one.

Long balls you say, at least he has balls to try something different. Usually resort to that in the last 10 or so minutes, especially if we're chasing the game. The fact that you're baffled at what defence he's laid tells me you're not being objective. If you take everything away you can't take the defensive organisation he's implemented

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Lims December 13, 2015

Been a rough week for me personally so I may have missed it but why did smalling miss the game last night

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ifeanyiumeweni December 13, 2015

It's as clear as day, there is a different crowd here when we win and a different crowd when we loose or draw.

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Lims December 13, 2015

one thing you have to realise is defensive solidity is created by management and coaching, an attack comes down to personnel. you cannot tactically coach an attack it comes down to the individual ability of your attackers. dont get me wrong a coach can make decisions to make an attack stronger, but ultimately it comes down to individual brilliance/ability/vision to create/score a goal.

This is what I've been preaching on here. One can't simply say its LVGs fault we're not scoring, as rigid as he's perceived to be we still create a fair number of chances. Its not like we're peppering the opposition goal but the chances are there. What I feel LVG hasn't done enough of and this could be man management, is getting our attackers to bond on and off the pitch. On paper the set ups are mostly good bar the odd starting 11 and substitutions.
Not sure why we just don't ask the players to choose who they want to work with, if every time someone's unhappy with the manager or whatever it is they're not happy with they have to bring mood of everyone down

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ifeanyiumeweni December 13, 2015

Smalling picked up an injury against Wolfsburg.
United24 pls be very honest do u think we would have had a better chance of qualifying and beating Bournemouth if we had continued with the style we've used all season, like I said before we ffans don't have a clue the manager always knows best. Funny Owen said something about our defence getting a lot of help from the midfield.