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LIVE BLOG: Bournemouth vs United

December 12, 2015

Daniel Stapleton

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CONFIRMED LINE-UP: Bournemouth vs United

STATS: What has Nick Powell done this week?

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iamMatty December 13, 2015

Lol dan young's comment about managers having no influence on attacking football explains why the english are regarded clueless in the modern game and unlikely to win anything in the near the future.
So you just buy attackers and send the ball to them to do magic with without any plan?
Lmao.
All in an attempt to bash youngsters clearly crippled by an inept manager's tactics.
So let me paint this scenario "united recovers the ball in midfield and bastian/carrick sends a first time ball 40yards to an isolated /martial with the oppositions defence stretched and lingard running in too to create a 3vs3 situation....as opposed to united recovers the ball in midfield and bastian/carrick plays it back to blind, who side passes to smalling who finds darmian, who then gives it back smalling, who inturn returns the ball to initiate an attack all the way from the back (just as lvg loves it) via 52touches as the opposition regroup to have 10men behind the ball.

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iamMatty December 13, 2015

So mr young enlighten me. In your infinite wisdom, you feel the slow timid from the back does not affect the productivity of our attackers or the amount of obstacles (opposing players) they have to get through in each move to get clear cut chances?

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RedOne December 13, 2015

Lims

Has the balls to do something different by playing long balls with Fellaini? How is that even a plan? That should be a plan Z, not plan B and you don`t need special training for that.

You could see in the past when things weren`t working SAF did a double sub and formation and tactics changed completely. Even when Chelsea won CL, someone was interviewed after Terry was sent off against Barca. Can`t remember who it was but remeber what he said. It was that they had a plan for every variable, if someone is sent off they had a plan, if someone from the opposition was sent off, they had a different plan, if a particular player came on the pitch they had a plan, if they went ahead or behind in scoresheet, they had a different plan.

I think most managers have different strategies and tactics, different variations and instructions of the same tactics. It seems that only LVG has one version tactic during the game...oh well maybe 2 with long ball Fellaini. Not to mention his choices when it comes to subs, just plain wrong...or should I mention keep playing players out of position or handling the media? And now that he is feeling a pressure, he lost his head, doesn`t know what to do. He tried listening to the fans so you can see the ball going forward more often and less often back to DDG but I`d imagine this should be instructed last season. Of course we will concede this way as the players are simply not used to this strategy and instructions. So basically he is messing with this now in the middle of his 2nd season. I mean wtf?

To be fair though I can`t say I was bored last two games we played. Disappointed and angry yes but at least I was awake for a change..

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cantonafanclub December 13, 2015

@dan - you made a good point about Shaw. we were looking very dangerous before he broke his leg.

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iamMatty December 13, 2015

@ifeanyiumeweni
The manager knows best? Wow
You idiots said the same thing through out moyes' reign, he ended up getting sacked for all the mistakes every sane mind pointed out earlier in his stint.
The manager knows best? Every man and his dog said the 3-5-2 wouldnt cut it in england, the manager stuck to it in his typical stubborn way, who later turned out wrong? Who later ended up costing us any chances of mounting a title challenge with just the first 8games of the season?
Dont say stupid things you read in your self styled best fan handbooks.

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cantonafanclub December 13, 2015

youre not seriously upset cos a new manager didnt win his first 8 games on the trot in a new job?

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Dan Young December 13, 2015

iammatty - shut up you fucking moron. firstly i have no interest in explaining myself for a dickhead who told someone on here to go have a fight with cancer.

what nationality are you anyway if the english are so clueless?

firstly i didnt say managers have no influence. BUT, attacking units are NOT made on the training field. yes you have various parts to a team which helps the attack such as midfielders advancing at certain times and the fullbacks supplying width whilst wingers go in-field. you cannot coach an attack to do things a managers way otherwise it becomes predictable.

if you cant see the difference between how defences are set up by a coach in order to stop an attack where as an attack largely comes down to the abilities and performances of individual talent then you are the one that is clueless

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RohitChat2611 December 13, 2015

Klopp lovers should check the scores :D
LVG is not doing good but that doesnt mean Pool and its manager is better. shove Mr. Klopp up your sorry Arse!! haters.

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United24 December 13, 2015

Ifeanyi. I'm being honest here. I agreed that we were defensively sound and boring, but acknowledged that it was necessary especially in the bigger games. You can look at my pregame line up before Wolfsburg. Much as I hate the double pivot, there is a place and time for it. When you are playing a makeshift defence away to Wolfsburg is the wrong time to put a position ally undisciplined Fellaini, in central midfield.
I'll never be a better tactician than LVG but what he does sometimes baffles the mind. On the day he gets the fwd right, and we start scoring 1-2 goals a game ( some progress), he messes up the style that has worked defensively....

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iamMatty December 13, 2015

Dan young you are an idiot and conspicuous imbecile. You sit there type rubbish, then claim you cant explain the same rubbish you type.
You fucking daft cunt trying to knock on the abilities of youngsters who were known for excitement until the philosophy happened. You fool, coaching setups are usually made up of attack experts who also work on movements/finishing/interplay with the forwards. You think the chemistry just happens? Smh what do i expect from a man who thinks football is played and won by just "desire".
And yes, considering he's a racist who's attacked africans, germans etc i'll tell wayne barker to battle worse things.

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iamMatty December 13, 2015

DECEMBER 13, 2015 AT 18:14
cantonafanclub says:
youre not seriously upset cos a new manager didnt win his first
8 games on the trot in a new job?
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No, but i was silently disappointed those games effectively ended any hopes we had of challenging. Dont you just stop and wonder what could have happened if the infinite wisdom of the manager had done what we clueless arm chair fans saw from game2 and played the 4-3-3 everybody knew him for?.
Fast forward into the new season and again he's tweaked it and discarded the 4-3-3 again. Why complicate an easy sport?

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cantonafanclub December 13, 2015

if im not mistaken last season when we went 4-3-3 co-incided with the return from injury by michael carrick. in fact any success last season totally rested in carricks availability. the moment he got injured again in april we dropped points.

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Dan Young December 13, 2015

where the fuck do i say football is won by desire?!

also where do i try to knock the abilities of younger players? im the one on here argueing against people who shit on youngsters like depay, januzaj etc.

fucking calling me out on stuff i havnt even said

'coaching setups are usually made up of attack experts who also work on movements/finishing/interplay with the forwards'

LOL 'attack experts'

i fucking said coaches can do stuff that help improve an attack but ultimately when a goal is scored it comes down to a piece of skill/vision from one of the players. defending on the other hand can be coached as a unit with various players covering a back four, height of defensive line etc - thats all chosen and coached by a management set up. as far as attacking goes it is unpredictable and cant be set up as the situation can change very easily.

hence why a team can be coached to be solid defensively - best example a tony pulis team. but you cannot coach a team to be solid in an attacking sense, it depends on team chemistry, individual ability amongst other things, most of which cannot be coached!

most our opinions are surprisingly the same so why the fuck call me out on anything?! i think your a cunt so it dosnt bother me but shows how dumb you are

also, what nationality are you? considering you insult me and the english so i want to see where the fuck a self righteous result of a split condom like you came from?

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Marko Maric December 14, 2015

ADM 3 assists today :)

Dan young...maybe you didnt read when i wrote...but when i saw start line ups for last game and formation 4-2-3-1 hahaha i started to laugh and thinking:"well here we go again..Dan Youngs favourite formation" hahaha

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Dan Young December 14, 2015

marko - haha i missed that one mate. 4-2-3-1 isnt necessarily a bad formation, chelsea won the league last year with it, borrusia dortmund were great with it a few years back .. but when its as rigid as ours is with a serious lack of penetration going forwards it makes no sense.

4-2-3-1 is usually a counter attacking formation. the 2 deep lying CM's cover the back four when the opposition attacks and once you get possession you attack with pace. but we never counter attack we play the possession game so it makes no sense for me

4-3-3 on the other hand is made for possession based football. the fullbacks can advance easier, you have 1 deep lying mid who is always an option to pass to, the 2 other cm's can advance to join the attack once it comes and there are so many options to pass to you can easily hold onto possession.

i genuinely think if we switched to a 4-3-3 we would immediately see a change in fortunes. not a title win yet, but an actual improvement

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cantonafanclub December 14, 2015

even if we played 4 at the back - when both full backs havent even got half a dozen games under their belts between them - you cant advise them to keep getting forward too much. theyre young and theyre gonna get caught out positionally.

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NefariousVirtuoso88 December 14, 2015

Van Gaal discovered the magic formula last season.

4-3-3
The football was damn near everything we desired. The team kept possession well and attacked direct when opportunity presented. Herrera established himself as the best United midfielder since Scholes pomp and Fellaini found a role to take advantage of his assets.

I was hoping we would just feed the good players we signed into the system.

The consistent misuse of his assets should be the reason he is sacked. I am convinced no matter who we buy he will waste.

Pep Guardiola has EVERYTHING and will be available. The criticism he always had the best players like Iniesta, Xavi and Messi is dubious. Those players become who they did in no small part because of Pep. He played Xavi further forward, intergrated Iniesta and made Messi the False 9. He made that Barca team press nullifying much of their of defensive strength. He promoted Busquets and Pedro to first team players. An incredible reign at Barca.

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Tyler_Ross December 14, 2015

Results are all that matters, the last few titles we won under SAF we didn't play stylish football, we got results. With the young kids that had to play due to injuries we didn't have a strong enough squad to handle a team that would finish top ten in every other league in the world. We are rebuilding and in time will be back to the top of the EPL. Still only 4 points off of first place and we are in December. Don't let other nay sayers on this blog keep you from supporting your club. Lot of sheep in wolves clothing on this blog.

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Tyler_Ross December 14, 2015

NV88, Pep walked into a team that with the foundation set for him by LVG. LVG had as much to do with those great Barca teams as Pep. LVG is doing the same thing at United and another manager will come in and we will be great again and a lot of you will then sing LVG praises. But for know I have to listen to 99% of this blog post and not understand what they are talking about or get how Football clubs work. Instead you listen to fools on here who are all about instant glory and don't understand that their is a process to things in life. It took SAF 4 years to get a trophy for United, again 99% of you on here would not have given the man enough time to build the empire he did. But yeah you all know what the fuck you are talking about. Give me a break, there are about 10 on here who somewhat get it. The rest of you stick to playing fifa soccer for your Playstation. That includes you too Miranasshe

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NefariousVirtuoso88 December 14, 2015

Foundations set by Louis Van Gaal ?!?!?!?!?

Pep signed Pique, Alves, Villa.
Pep coached & promoted Pedro and Busquets
Pep made Xavi and Iniesta the players they become.
Pep coached the pressing game.
Pep coached Messi to being the best player in the world.

LVG's most recent tenure at Barca was a shambles. Lets be honest.

" It took SAF 4 years to get a trophy for United "
- This is such a silly argument Manchester United then cannot be compared to Manchester United now. The standard cannot be the same when you spend MILLIONS on players.

" Give me a break, there are about 10 on here who somewhat get it "
- When you say get it you mean ACCEPT FAILURE. Dont you ?. Surely we arent getting this negative football and misusing player after player. Losing to shit teams. Going out of tournaments to weak teams. The excuses no longer cut it !!!.

You keep accepting and apologising for ABJECT FAILURE.

I want my club back.

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cantonafanclub December 15, 2015

Oh Fuckoff you drama queen

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Dan Young December 15, 2015

actually agree with alot of what nv88 has said. apart from the part about people accepting failure. supporting a manager isnt accepting failure its trying to get behind someone who is under achieving.

also...

Pep signed Pique, Alves, Villa. - correct, he did have some misses too, but ultimately transfers were impressive
Pep coached & promoted Pedro and Busquets - again right
Pep made Xavi and Iniesta the players they become. - this isnt quite as clear cut. iniesta and xavi got brought in by LVG (in the same way you are praising pep for bringing in pedro and busquets, share the praise a bit) they then got coached by rijkaard .. pep was fairly lucky to get 2 already very good midfielders on the verge of entering their prime
Pep coached the pressing game. they already played the pressure game under LVG, but pep definitely took it to the next level
Pep coached Messi to being the best player in the world - correct, i think he would have got fairly far without peps coaching, but theres no doubt pep made some decisions which made him who he is today - selling ronaldinho probably being one of the stand outs

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Tyler_Ross December 15, 2015

NV88,

Times change, yes SAF did not have 250 million to spend when he started his empire but the rest of the league didn't have the money they are spending these days as well.

You want to give Pep credit for bringing in Busquetts and Pedro who are good players but wont give credit to LVG who brought Iniesta and Xavi and made them stars

It was a great reign at Barca for Pep and I agree is he the top manager out there today but don't forget where the foundations for him came from is my point.

Nobody is accepting failure NV88, true red fans who have been around before SAF understand that their is a process to rebuilding clubs. Under SAF we were not strong enough in Europe, 2 CL titles in 25 years is not enough. LVG is bringing a new style to Old Trafford and it is taking a while for players to grasp it. In 2-3 years you will get it and see the foundation laid down by LVG and the set up we have to succeed not only in England but in Europe too.

Most Man Utd has a lot of fans because of their success under SAF, now these bandwagon fans don't want to stand by the club as they rebuild and prepare for their next dominate period. These same fans were probably calling SAF out when we went three years without winning the EPL title from 2004-2006

"I want my club back" NV88, what you want it SAF back, your club never left, maybe your passion for your club has left because they don't play how you have always watched them play.

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NefariousVirtuoso88 December 15, 2015

@ Tyler Ross

Van Gaal did NOT make Iniesta and Xavi stars this was Guardiola playing Xavi's further forward and moved Deco on for Iniesta. The end of the Ronaldinho era at Barcelona.

Van Gaal brought Xavi and Iniesta into the squad but it would be years before they become indispensable first team regulars. Guardiola brought Busquets and Pedro directly into the first team and found instant success. @Dan Young

" It was a great reign at Barca for Pep and I agree is he the top manager out there today but don’t forget where the foundations for him came from is my point "
- The foundations come from Guardiola promoting players, making players better, signing great players and instilling a relentless pressing game. Van Gaal managed the team years before and almost got them relegated.

" Nobody is accepting failure NV88 "
- Incorrect.

" true red fans who have been around before SAF understand that their is a process to rebuilding clubs "
- Tut !!!

" LVG is bringing a new style to Old Trafford and it is taking a while for players to grasp it "
- Such nonsense the "style" is negative defensive football. Its been 18 months and apart from one month 4-3-3 last season nothing football wise has improved. Just look at the number of 0-0 draws.

" Most Man Utd has a lot of fans because of their success under SAF, now these bandwagon fans don’t want to stand by the club as they rebuild and prepare for their next dominate period "
- Meh. I just want want some progress and hope the six 0-0 draws in eight games, going out the league cup and CL group stage elimination. Thats not acceptable after 18 months.

" “I want my club back” NV88, what you want it SAF back, your club never left, maybe your passion for your club has left because they don’t play how you have always watched them play. "
- I dont want Sir Alex Ferguson back. I want some progress not mind numbing defensive 0-0 draws. Thats not Manchester United.

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Tyler_Ross December 15, 2015

NV88,

Yes LVG did make Iniesta and Xavi stars, he gave them their debuts and brought them into the first team.

An example for you, SAF did not get Pogba into the first team soon enough and he left and the rest is history.

If LVG did not bring those two into the first team Pep never gets to work with them as they would have moved on looking for regular football.

No NV88, the foundations were laid down for Pep by LVG, you think Pep walked into a team and promoted Busquetts and Pedro and they were champs. Come on, everything is a process.

NV88, I think you are a good fan and you are one of my favorite posters on here and most of the time I agree with you but not on these situations.

I know and believe that in a few years we will all be thankful for the LVG philosophy.

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Tyler_Ross December 15, 2015

I also agree with you on the 4-3-3 last year and expected that we would carry on with that formation this year. So I do agree with you there.

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Tyler_Ross December 15, 2015

Dan Young did make a great point about Shaw

LVG said this would have been the year of Shaw and he was crucial to his plans I feel. When Shaw was playing Darmien looked more comfortable on the right side. Memphis looked more at ease with Shaw playing next to him and overall our performances were better.

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NefariousVirtuoso88 December 15, 2015

@ Tyler_Ross

LETS REPEAT MYSELF.

" Yes LVG did make Iniesta and Xavi stars, he gave them their debuts and brought them into the first team "
- He brought them into the squad they become world class players under Pep.

" If LVG did not bring those two into the first team Pep never gets to work with them as they would have moved on looking for regular football "
- Giving two players (no matter their talent) their debut years before they become starts after Pep's influence is not a foundation.

" No NV88, the foundations were laid down for Pep by LVG, you think Pep walked into a team and promoted Busquetts and Pedro and they were champs. Come on, everything is a process "
- The "foundation" so far is giving two players their debut and almost getting relegated. Pep did walk into the team promoted those players, made the current players (including Xavi and Iniesta) starts in his new style of play and bought top players like Alves and Pique. Its all a process you are ridiculous.

" NV88, I think you are a good fan and you are one of my favorite posters on here and most of the time I agree with you but not on these situations "
- The only justification you have given is giving two players a debut YEARS before they come to prominence.

HOLY SHIT.

Moyes will be able to claim a foundation at United because he gave a few players their debut like Januzaj.

Your argument is weaker and thinner than Van Gaal's management and Steve McClaren's hair.

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NefariousVirtuoso88 December 15, 2015

* stars ... not starts ....... FFS.

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Tyler_Ross December 15, 2015

I don't need to make an argument because I am right and it is clear to see. I don't need to prove history because it happened. I am not trying to win an argument with you, I am not Miranasse,who has to have a theory paper behind his ideas for you to see my thoughts or that my way is right.

I post what is truth and right and it is easy for all to see, you get it or you don't.

I am not going to argue and argue and make points to try to convince a bandwagon fan.

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NefariousVirtuoso88 December 15, 2015

@ Tyler

" I don’t need to make an argument because I am right and it is clear to see "
- How convenient.

" I don’t need to prove history because it happened "
- You have said Louis Van Gaal provided the "foundations" for Pep Guardiola's reign at Barcelona.

The only examples you cited.

Iniesta who didn't establish himself in the FIRST TEAM until five or six years after Van Gaal left.

Xavi who emerged as a world class midfielder in Euro 2008 and then under Guardiola's management changing his position pushing him further forward.

So your argument is essential Van Gaal laid the foundations by giving two players débuts who would become key players in 5+ years under Guardiola.

Convincing.

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Tyler_Ross December 15, 2015

Like I said I have not provided an argument I don't need to it is fact. I will let you figure it out for yourself. The grass could be green and you would say it is blue, you just want to argue and I don't fall into those games.

If you want to believe the grass is blue be my guest but I am not going to go out of my way to educate you.

LVG has laid the foundation down for Munich and Barca to be where they are, believe it or not I really don't care but when the next manager comes in and does well with the foundation layed down by LVG don't start claiming you saw it coming.

Also you didn't answer my question about 04-07 when we went 3 years without a major trophy, where were you then and what were you saying? SAF out as this is not Man Utd football?

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Tyler_Ross December 15, 2015

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3360464/Manchester-United-look-devoid-verve-energy-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-accept-responsibility-start-decline.html

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NefariousVirtuoso88 December 15, 2015

@ Tyler

" I am not going to go out of my way to educate you "
- I wish this epiphany had taken place before you sent several laughable arguments.

I have debunked the two you provided and you completely ignored me going around the Barca team pointing out the great management by Guardiola.

" LVG has laid the foundation down for Munich and Barca to be where they are "
- You have been comprehensively proved wrong about Barcelona. Van Gaal gave two players their debut FIVE years before they found success. Wow.

" Also you didn’t answer my question about 04-07 when we went 3 years without a major trophy, where were you then and what were you saying? SAF out as this is not Man Utd football? "
- Do you mean the one on the other thread ?. Hmmmm. I was particularly concerned seeing Djemba Djemba, Kleberson and Bellion. If you had seen them play in person you will know why. Sir Alex already regenerate a team before 04-07. This makes Sir Alex a case of proven track record. Your delusions about Van Gaal nearly relegating Barca put to one side the same cannot be said for Van Gaal.

OH YEAH.
Louis Van Gaal spent a couple of hundred million in 18 months.