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LIVE BLOG: Everton 3-1 United FT - Red Perspective

February 20, 2010

Scott is otherwise engaged so today’s live blog will be run by Jack. He’s almost as good. Honest.

Scott Patterson

Scott is the editor of RoM and has a season ticket at Old Trafford. He writes for The Mirror and Red News. He started The Republik of Mancunia in March 2006. Follow @R_o_M on Twitter.

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Jay February 21, 2010

get a life.the defence was bad,that shook the team in every department and it didn't help that we played a mega game against milan where we defended hanging on our lines.it's probably the only the United 'fans' aka glory hunters who can actually say lets think about the carling cup.RUBBISH.yes we want and have to win it next sunday but its shocking to see how some think all's gone after 1 game.if we had played like yesterday against a mediocre team,we may,just may,have won.i don't get why people can be such hypocrites.a week ago,it was "Valencia is a vintage winger,he's fit in so well'.today its "Valencia doesn't provide new dimensions to the team".Listen,its cliched but its true-United we stand,divided we fall.When we play bad as a team there isn't one person whom you can entirely blame.Everton were good and sharp.We were jaded tired and shoddy.like what Sir Alex's said.We were well beaten.So can we just move on to West Ham and continue our trot towards the title.Glory -hunters step aside.

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ash February 21, 2010

Credit to everton for playing better than us.every player has been critisised by many fans amd some crazy fans are even critisising berba.its surprising not a single supporter has critisised park.Guys accept it park is absolute rubbish.He is pathetic.A wingers duty is to score goals or atleast to give asists.he doesnt do both so whats the use of playing him.I still believe we can win the league.but we have to be consistent.

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aig alex is god February 21, 2010

I cant see what problem certain fans have if someone criticizes our players.I dont do it myself but after a defeat every fan has right to be critical.We do praise our players when they do well so as fans we have the right to criticize them too.

@rtnk

i agree that United need a new striker. I think Diouf will do well but Have my doubts over Berbatov despite his good performance yesterday. lets hope he can do well in the tricky games from now on.Someone said Michael Owen scored a hat trick.so what?. is that what you are going to say all season.Then why does SAF start him in one game every month? and not have more confidence in him.Berbatov is 29,Owen is 30. We need another striker around 23-25 years old with Diouf and Rooney.

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horaceTheRed February 21, 2010

People are still bashing Berbatov? Rooney was awful (probably because he was tired, but still awful), and people still find reasons to blame Berba?

Un-freaking-believable.

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shakshamboo February 21, 2010

Even at the end of the first half it was apparent that rooney was not getting enough of the ball and barba was playing as if he has done plenty after scoring a goal. also, this season everytime we have played against hard working teams we have been found wanting. for me the problem is still the midfield. it plays very well against attack minded teams who leave lots of space in the midfield, but when we come up against hard working teams who defend and battle as a team specially in the midfield we go into our shell and play defensively and more often than not loose the game.

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KVN February 21, 2010

bad day at the office and at the wrong time too.
We're now 4 points behind Chelsea and 2 infront of Arsenal.
We need to regroup and focus on the next game. We can still win it
But need to beat West Ham. That will put us 1 point behind them
Having played a game more. I believe on the weekend as we beat Villa in
The CC, they will draw. Meaning if we beat Chelsea at OT we'll go top by 1
Point.
At the end of the day we Rio and Vidic back at the centre. Johnny is young and still learning the game at the top level and he's getting invaluable experience money cannot buy.
We all want United to win, and every time we loose it hurts.
What we learnt from the game was that their first goal was preventable. Long balls should be cut out and the ball that dropped into open play should have been picked up by our midfielders.
SAF and the coaching staff should be focusing on the defence and midfield.

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King Eric February 21, 2010

aig - There is nowt wrong with criticising players after a bad defeat. I have done it myself but its just comments like "Berba must go" even though he was our best player yesterday or "SAF INSTEAD OF BLAMING OTHERS ADMIT YOU GOT IT WRONG AGAIN". Things like that are a disgrace mate. Or people coming on saying United are the best thing since sliced bread then after one defeat say we are fucking shit.

No offence mate but you weren't following United in say 95 when we sold Hughes , Ince and Kanchelskis. Everyone was saying we are fucked who will get the goals. Season or so later step up a certain PAUL SCHOLES from the youth system.

Trust in Fergie THE greatest ever British manager.

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King Eric February 21, 2010

By the way who is that 23 or 24 year old striker YOU would buy? Don't say Dzeko mate. He is a target man and that's it. Don't want to go back to that predictable shite.

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giggs11gerrard0 February 21, 2010

I was at the game yesterday and not really happy with a few performances! First of all our defense was awful, sorry but Nev is just too slow for the prem and Baines and co had a field day down the left.

Brown or Evans along side Vida or Rio are great but together not good enough. Evans decision making and distribution is still devloping and he got caught out a few times. I wont jump on his back though although I thought he alongside Nev was our worst players.

That said 3-1 flattered Everton, they deserved their win due to commitment and passion and our lads looked tired and down beat.

Rooney didnt have a good game and for me crazy subs that I could not work out? I would have took Rooney off and left Berba on with five in Midfield. We need to look after Rooney and he cant play at this temp for 60+ games a season.

Bad day at the office but we move on, must win at home on Tuesday now!

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aig alex is god February 21, 2010

@King Eric

Well there must be some good striker. Its our scouts job to do that. Maybe we will have to spend a bit more but if a player is worth it,why not.Dzeko always has been my choice and i am sure he will do well.The club surely must be keeping an eye on other players and having transfer targets. Surely Benzema wasnt the only striker we had on our list last year, or was he?

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PAUL Parker February 21, 2010

Jesus, just read this today, I can't see whats so hard for some of you to understand, so rather then cut and paste responses I'll summarise:
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I thought playing 4-4-2 was the main factor in why we lost yesterday. If im not mistaken, we played 4-4-2 to accomodate Berbatov. Therefore, including Berb in the team yesterday played a role in why we lost. None of this is his fault. Nor is it a denial of his God Given Ability. Thats all im saying Fellas. So to the POMMY - I didn't blame Berbatov for us losing mate, your para's weren't necessary, refer back to the above. To the other guy, I didn't say anything about us getting Spanked you read that wrong, I said Everton spanked Chelsea so why did we select Berb yesterday when we DARED NOT TO at the Bridge? 4-5-1 played a role in our Performance there. We played 4-4-2 against Liverpool with Berbatov and LOST, he hasn't started against our big Rivals since. If I knew some of you would be so bloody sensitive about Berby I'd have omitted his name altogether. Seriously, instead of Berbatov I could have said Santa Claus, I could have told you ALEC MADE A MISTAKE STARTING WITH SANTA CLAUS IN A 4-4-2 AT GOODISON PARK AFTER CHELSEA WAS JUST SPANKED THERE. At the risk of upsetting Berbatov lovers everywhere, I believe we should have sacrificed his undeniable skill to give Young Evans and Second Choice Brown some COVER with a 5th Midfielder. HOW DO YOU THINK WE BEAT MILAN IN MILAN? We didn't respect our oppenents enough yesterday, and I believe we could have beat them if we played 4-5-1 as did in Milan. The End. Considering what im saying is so simple im not going to explain it again. Agree or Disagree but for the love of God UNDERSTAND

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PAUL Parker February 21, 2010

denton davey Said,February 20th, 2010 @23:54
FZE @ 20:00 “of course he doesn’t as we have been playing a 4-5-1 on a regular basis apart from today, and considering Rooney’s great form of late he was the obvious choice up front. This is not Berb’s fault, nor should it be the reason why he should leave just because “he doesn’t fit into our system.” ”
You are personalizing this too much. It’s not about whether or not he was “at fault” but, rather, whether his inclusion benefits the overall team play.
This is, I think, what “Paul Parker” has been arguing – and it is what I think, too. Also, I don’t think that the “midfield is crap” is much of an argument when they are playing two-against-three in the middle.

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Precisely mate, at least somebody sees things how I see it. Its not personal against Berbatov at all. I've been supporting him since he signed, I rated him before he signed, but yesterday our TEAM needed an extra midfielder to cover our defence more then we needed an extra striker - thats all im saying. So I agree, people are definitely "personalising" things too much. Our second choice defence needs all the cover it can get, so I agree mate, an extra midfielder in a 4-5-1 is a wiser choice then an extra striker in a 4-4-2

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PAUL Parker February 21, 2010

King Eric Said

Paul Parker – You cannot blame Berbatov for United playing poorly in a 4-4-2. Ridiculous mate, no offence.

King Eric Said

denton – you make some good points in that post at 23.54 with regard to the midfield. You are right most teams do now set up in some kind of 4-5-1 . It was clearly apparent today that the first time Fergie goes 4-4-2 away from home we were completely over run in the middle of the park. It will be the last time he will go that formation in these games .

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Mate, me and Denton are making the exact same point.

We're criticising the choice of 4-4-2 with Berbatov yesterday. So when you agreed with him that we were over-run in midfield playing 4-4-2 your actually agreeing with what I said above, and when you said that Everton should be the last time we play a 4-4-2 instead of 4-5-1 in big games your also agreeing with what I said already. So your first post to me was "Ridiculous" mate, but no offence yeah?

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King Eric February 21, 2010

Paul Parker - Hello mate. I knew you would think that is what I meant regarding the formation and Berba but I didn't. What I meant was IF our midfield were all playing at the top of their game then we could go 4-4-2 in certain games. The fact we lost yesterday has nowt to do with Berbatov but many different aspects. The midfield being piss poor yesterday being one of those factors.

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King Eric February 21, 2010

Paul Parker - Just read your full posts and find them very patronising. You say we should UNDERSTAND but it may help if you put it into some kind of paragraphs. Who the fuck is "the POMMY"?

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PAUL Parker February 21, 2010

King Eric Said,February 21st, 2010 @18:49
Paul Parker – Just read your full posts and find them very patronising. You say we should UNDERSTAND but it may help if you put it into some kind of paragraphs. Who the fuck is “the POMMY”?

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Haha, sorry mate, the Pommy knows who he is. About your earlier point, I now understand your original point. Your blaming the Everton game on the poor form of our "first choice" midfield in a 4-4-2. I understand now. With my original point, I've already acknowledged Giggs and Nani are both out, and of course I know the current form of our best midfield players isn't 100%. I've acknowledged that, which is why for the vital Everton game I thought we shouldn't have risked a 4 man midfield, I thought we should have simply continued doing what we've BEEN DOING which is add an extra man in a 4-5-1 - and thats why I mentioned Berbatov in the first place, not because of his form or his worth to the team, but because of the cost of including him. He's a great player, BUT considering the form of our midfield and acknowledging our back four is no where near first choice, I was just saying Berbatov should've been sacrificed so we could play 4-5-1 and hide our deficiencies. I can see and even agree with your positive approach by expecting more from the midfield. Im just being sceptical and pessimistic, I want the 19th / 4th Title this year and im happy for us to do it cynically and ugly. Winning is Winning. We want the 19th and the 4th Title.

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denton davey February 22, 2010

Paul Parker/King Eric - interesting back-and-forth. To my way of thinking, the 4-4-2 can't be successful against a five-man midfield (or two against three in the center) UNLESS you have Superman and his Wonder Dog as your "two". I don't think that Fletcherinho and Carrick/Scholes is a poor or deficient or mediocre midfield duo but they can't do the job IF they're outnumbered and left to deal with three opponents. It's really not much more than simple arithmetic - two into three won't go !

That said, I'd really like to see Valencia given a go as the lead-man in a three-man midfield (with Fletcherinho and Carrick/Scholes) so that Nani can play right-inside and Anderson (or Obertan) can play left-inside. It seems to me that this will make the most of the talent available while playing the formation that seems to work best nowadays. I know it's a bit of a reach to think about stationing Anderson in that role but he is actually the only natural left-footer among the midfielders/forwards so I think he deserves a run-out playing to his own maximum advantage.

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denton davey February 22, 2010

another thing - I don't understand why people thnk that the CL is a bigger "reach" than the EPL. Right now, UTD have a huge advantage that "should" see the team through to the final eight. Assuming that that is OK, then there are two home-and-away meetings and a winner-takes-all final. A level playing field. IF UTD had won on Saturday then the playing field in the EPL would be more-or-less level but being four points behind the RentBoyz really tilts it in their favour.

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