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LIVE BLOG: United vs Sevilla - Rio's testimonial

  • August 9, 2013
Daniel Stapleton

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Rio reveals Fergie’s speech to young players at Stadium of Light
VIDEO: Community Shield 2011 – United vs City

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Wee Toms Ligaments August 9, 2013
Rooney looking for a competitive match? I am starting to think that @Goat is correct in that United will sell Rooney to Chelsea on deadline day.
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King Eric August 9, 2013
Jorge. Why do you keep bringing that cunt Mourinho up? How's he doing? Last I saw his nemesis Ronnie was putting a brace past his side. Why the constant question about Mourinho? Odd to say the least when they've hardly been pulling up trees pre season.

To be fair NBI HAS been on here years and till other week never had a cross word with him.
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Greek (MU)djahiddin August 9, 2013
Pre-season is pre-season. Competitive games are a totally different story. We have to trust in Moyes and the players. We will watch a different United in few days, be sure about it. The truth is that, for the last three seasons, we have not been as good as we were back in 2010 and before. The post Ronaldo United is not the same, not exclusively because of missing CR. There are other reasons as well. Saying that, we have been and still are better than anyone else. It is entirely up to us to go and win it again.
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FletchTHEMAN August 9, 2013
NBI.... You may be right about reasons he isn't in squad, but I can't see us selling to Chelsea.
Even IF it was to Chelsea, I feel 40m is no where near close what is needed.

Wayne has won everything, he is guaranteed 20+ goals if played up front. But the piece nobody is considering is the value of an England man like rooney to Chavs bottom line. Rooney will englands headliner in next years WC and that alone will be worth 10m plus. If a pariah like Suarez is worth 40m to Arsenal, then Wayne is worth 50+ easily.

That gets you to a valuation, but the side of it that should worry United much more is adding 20 goals to a rival like Chelsea and potenially loosing those yourself.

Personally, I think we keep Wayne unless he goes to the continent. That's my view on it.

I'm with Gary Neville on this one:
Gaz: "I don't think there is a hope in hell that Wayne Rooney will be sold to Chelsea by Manchester United" this morning on Sky Sports
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Costas August 9, 2013
@Danny

Nani was probably too eager to impress and stretched himself more than he should have. Hence, he got injured wthin 30 minutes. Just a theory on why he looked fresh in his first game back and why it didn't last.

Anyway, no arguement about Tom and Ando. Nothing wrong with their fitness. They don't seem to click well togeter. Both need Carrick playing next to them. Just another illustration of how much we need him.
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King Eric August 10, 2013
Fletch. Alright mate. Is that what Rooney's said about Ingerlund. On about being appreciated etc? Clearly a dig at United. Getting fucking sick of this cunt. Woy is on about " banning" him talking to Rentboy players. What a joke. Way he's behaving and behaved he'll be right at home with his best pal Cole and Captain Leader Legend Cunt. Having said that I actually think he'll still be at United next season. Aren't gonna sell him to Chelsea for that derisory sum they offered. The media have mentioned Rooneys name everyday and frankly it's pissed my summer off and winning number 20.

Regards Janujaz was listening to Tom Thorpe and Vermilje saying how he has got much stronger. They teased him in his early part at United about how weak he was and say now he's dishing it out to defenders. The kid is an unbelievable talent. Naturally gifted. Sure even Fergie said he's best player he's seen in academy and under 21 for years.
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NBI Red Moyesy August 10, 2013
@ Fletch - I am hoping Gaz is right. Hopefully his brother is giving him the inside line on this so it's more than a feeling.

With Rooney the one positive we can take is that by playing with the youth team he is at least in the right mental age group.

One thing which I have always found odd about Wazza and I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but he rarely makes a fist, when he plays, hugs players etc, his hands are always open, floppy and fingers loosely apart, almost delicate and artistic. Always struck me as odd on such a squat beefy man.

@ KE - OK lets call a truce.
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King Eric August 10, 2013
There is every chance Adnan WILL get a chance this season. He's played a lot on pre season and been absolute class. Only reason he didn't travel to Sweden is because he was playing in Under 21 Lancashire cup final. Another game where he was quality. Seems a great lad too.
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Dwaza1985 August 10, 2013
A lot of negativity here this evening. Just reading through Facebook just noticed this gem from one Wayne Rooney on his squad selection for the Scotland game...'big thanks to Roy Hodgson for selecting me and showing his faith and support, appreciate it.' Maybe I'm reading into this too much, but is this a thinly veiled attack on Moyes? I have never seen Rooney comment on getting selected before. Is he having a go at a perceived lack of support from United? Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.
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King Eric August 10, 2013
NBI. No worries. As I say you've been on here years and only had one or two cross words. Never had a problem with you to be honest. Oh I agree and said same to Kings, Rooney being the scouse cunt he is, is playing the victim card. Total disrespect as you say to the likes of Sir Bobby.
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soccerisfootbal August 10, 2013
right, positives.

we need to sign adnan on a longer deal. he's looked real quality out there but i'm sure he was the youngest player on the pitch tonight. tender age of 18. i hope people got a good look at kongdogbia. big strong confident player. sort of skillful but he's got a long ways to go before he's a top player. he held his own out there, and during the u20 world cup for france. i'm sure we'll be hearing a lot about him in the near future.

i think ando's fitness is coming along nicely. he put in a few 90 minute games so far and now he's got 60+ minutes again today. cant say the same for the big guns, and i am a little worried they will be mostly going into the season unfit despite the really difficult start.

valencia with a goal. yeah it's a tap in and yeah he missed an open-looking net with a left foot effort but it's good he's getting into the good positions around the box to score. He also put one on a plate for shinji, which is nice. he still looks awfully predictable and he may have lost a bit of acceleration but im glad he's gotten some minutes under his belt.

i think we put out a slightly weaker side because of the Com shield but also because so many of our players will be off on international duty again midweek. i'm really starting to hate the english FA and fifa and whoever else is in charge of these stupid friendlies right before the start of the season when teams need to put final touches on preparations.
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King Eric August 10, 2013
NBI. Ha. Amusing comment about Rooney's hands. Hadn't noticed that, will watch for it now.
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Tom August 10, 2013
Dear Moyes if reading this please buy a DM because it's embarrassing to see a team of united calibre being exposed at the back due to lack of protection
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FletchTHEMAN August 10, 2013
Wonder what "triple play" bet odds you can get for Rooney, Suarez and Bale to all stay at current clubs.

Just sayin, might be worth a punt.


Right so Boris Becker was the big surprise? :roll:
Help us! I need footy bad!
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FletchTHEMAN August 10, 2013
Tom McDermott ‏ says Arsenal will bit for Rooney now that the Uruguayan is off the menu.
We will see.
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FletchTHEMAN August 10, 2013
It would be absolutely mint if we exchange best players (Rooney for RvP) and they fall out of CL & top 4.

Right you red beauties. I'm off for some kip.
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LexxytheRed August 10, 2013
Few points to note

One, I hope Moyes is not buying this "its pre-season bull. The alarm bells are ringing loud for those who have hears! Fergie would have seen the level of levity we are approaching games, hope Moyes is watching too.

Two, only one positive from today's match, just one and that's Adnan Januzaj. That kid can play and he MUST be in the first team this year or else we can just lock up the academy.

Three, if we play like this on sunday! A motivated Wigan team will have us simple, also I was furious why Fergie wasn't playing Cleverley a lot last season but it is crystal clear now, he just isn't good enough and that Kondogbia kid gave him and Ando a footballing lesson today like every other midfielder we've played so far.

Roll on Sunday

Peace
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NBI Red Moyesy August 10, 2013
@ Fletch - I can't see us selling to Chelsea. Arsenal for £40mn cash plus £10mn add ons....??? But they are a rival too. Problem is we have no time to buy. Moyes said in a recent press conference that we will see new players come in. Those can only be MF or possibly a defensive signing. Fellani is a buyable, Baines I don't think they will sell or that he wants to move. Fellani's possession stats have put me off a bit though. No way will RM really pay £100mn for Bale. If they do they are nuts. They may soften up Spurs and go for him next year. Ideal would be a Rooney swap for Bale but that won't happen.
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roflater August 10, 2013
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2388440/Wayne-Rooney-uses-Facebook-publicly-snub-Manchester-United-boss-David-Moyes.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Such a 'open' nod-and-wink disrespect to the club from Wayne. Sell the ----. Don't even care if it's to Chelsea at this point (we don't worry about other clubs, that's not our style - we focus on ourselves and winning the next game, that's how we win title after title - it doesn't matter how strong a rival is, or the nominal disgrace to selling to a rival - just get rid of him).

Use the money (along with the rest of the millions we have, catching dust in the transfer kitty) to buy some real re-enforcements (one's that are obtainable - I'm not talking fanciful advances to settled players like Schweinsteiger and a embarrassing charade with players like Fabregas).

This is looking up to be a frustrating transitional season.
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Random August 10, 2013
Daniel Stapleton 5 hours ago
Owen Hargreaves having a little moan on BT Sport that lesser squad players don’t receive medals at the end of the season. Wonder why that is close to his heart?

Nice one. The guy has two Champions League medals, lets not forget that too.

Whatever be the negativity around Owen Hargreaves, the guy was an extremely talented and gifted player and athlete, had the work-ethic to match and a huge desire to succeed. Ticks every fucking box for me. I hate people shitting on him, in general.

And his commentary was quite good. Good to have insight from someone who has played at the very top level.
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samuel - united WE stand August 10, 2013
"very talented and gifted" calm the hype around hargo. He was energetic and strong, box to box good midfielder, mainly a destroyer on the pitch. Let's not get carried away now and he does have slight bitterness in him for whatever reason.
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samuel - united WE stand August 10, 2013
And I agree with those words about adna, the lad is a class act and looks like one those very talented players that get quickly fast-tracked to the first team. He's blended in brilliantly with the senior players. Such a beautifully balanced player, as technically gifted as it gets. First touch is superb, passing is inventive and creative, he can ping them.long or short, he can threaded an eye of the needle one. He's not blistering fast but still got a burst of pace, a guile that gets players struggling to catch up with him. Very skillful and intelligent on and off the ball. He will create or score, the lad can control games as a playmaker further forward. I think as he gets more experience, his confidence will grow, his performance vs sevilla, a proper good team in spain. I think united to solidify that midfield in order to get the likes of januzaj playing freely, he's a playmaking star in the making. The lad also has a terrific work-rate too, bumping players off the ball that are possibly stronger, closing opponents down. He's been schooled with the united mentality, he won't get carried away and will hopefully be ready for his next chance. Think he's given himself a big chance of game time against wigan, definitely will give some so called senior players a run for their money. Alongside zaha, lingard, cole, powell, henriquez. These lads have quality in abundance and self belief, they may not start regularly this season but they'll get games and get stronger.

Another word for anderson too. People complain about his defensive side but that's not really been his game, he's more efficient breaking forward and creating but suppose he does need to work harder tracking back, he has to do his fair share.
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samuel - united WE stand August 10, 2013
One thing which I have always found odd about Wazza and I don’t know if anyone else has noticed this, but he rarely makes a fist, when he plays, hugs players etc, his hands are always open, floppy and fingers loosely apart, almost delicate and artistic. Always struck me as odd on such a squat beefy man"

You might as wel release a documentary on wayne rooney NBI, you're reading too much into things.
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samuel - united WE stand August 10, 2013
Hoping ED gets it going and nail januzaj to a new long term deal. No time to waste.
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NBI Red Moyesy August 10, 2013
On twitter - fake Ed Woodward account - “@fellainiM text me back, mate. Please.”
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Rukky August 10, 2013
I beg to differ from the opinion that Adjan is a box to box mf(yaya toure,ramires kinda role ) because he isn't; he basically is a 'trequartista 'a free role just behind the main striker, where the player is given freedom to roam the picth thereby, he can both create goals and score (the rooney,kagawa,mata, del pelrio role). I strongly believe he would be better than kagawa . NBI, look lexxyred just ended his post with 'peace'. I dont really know why You'll put your self in a low position, i believe we've got grown men on this site and i dont see y you will try to undermine my post with such comment about weareunited been me. Show respect and you'll get it back. Peace
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Red4ever August 10, 2013
Im just laughing at the comments of the noobs wrighting us off even before the start of the season is a fucking joke


I will wait till the real thing begins tommorw should be a great idea how our team will be for the next season some intresting selection from moyesy to be seen


Till then for the noobs wait till we win the league again then you can smack your candy coated monkey arse

GGMU!!!!!
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soccerisfootbal August 10, 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrCaoYUPo2Q
adnan vs sevilla. our next star from the academy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYTQqywuolA&feature=youtu.be
kondogbia kid i was talking about earlier for sevilla. he's only 19 but he's got the physical and technical skill to be a very good CDM. needs to work on passing range and perhaps needs to show a bit more going forward but he's going to be on everyone's radar in a couple of seasons, if he isn't all ready. he's not yet ready for a big move but the first club to go after him reap the benefits later on.
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Robin van gora August 10, 2013
We need a defensiue midfielder and we are not pursuing gustavo. Unbelievable
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soccerisfootbal August 10, 2013
why are my comments being moderated? this is nonsense. i was only showing individual player highlights of januzaj and kondogbia for sevilla.
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Kings August 10, 2013
Januzaj was superb in an otherwise disappointing night. Played much better second half. Chelsea fans wanking over Marin's performance last night. Fucking cunts. Speaking of fucking cunts, good to see Rooney true to form - making sly digs at Moyes and showing appreciation to Woy for showing faith in him. Oh bless. Do yourself a favour and take that bullet for your gay lover Ashley, preferably through the spine so it will finish your career, you fat ungrateful self pitying cunt.
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enzophonics August 10, 2013
I know some fans on here don't like to hear about sign this player or that but lovely player Kondogbia is - hope we look at such players now before he moves to a bigger club and price goes up (currently valued at about £8m).

Physicality of Adnan is being over analysed in my opinion - young Ronaldo at 19 was not the beast he is now - its the potential and effectiveness, say against European teams and in latter stages of the game, throw him in. Zaha at what 18 is ahead of a Cristiano at the same age physically, still will need to develop other areas.

Wayne Roooney. Limo for monsieur Wayne sent by Abramovich, sign the cheque, 50m plus add-ons. Wait till Bale hands in a request for The Virus and slap in a 87m bid plus add-ons (90m) straight cash and see how the mighty los Blancos really are (spanish ones not the Londoners).

Buttner needs to knuckle down and learn to defend - noises from his agent - thinks he should be getting games to get in the Oranje. Fairly unkown when we signed him, now at Utd expense we should put him ahead of an experienced match winner in Patrice - like fuck we should. Learn the game first lad. All these players moaning to get games so they play in Rio next year is getting ridiculous.

Just wondering but is the whole world of football's total sum of midfielders only made up of Luka Modric, Fellaini (whom I rate)? All we seem to read is 'Utd will turn to player x, y, z.' Spurs have signed Capoue - talented, under the radar. Sandro was virtually unknown but tidy unit. We signed Vida, Solsjkaer and so many other unknowns and look at what they did. Time for Edward and Moyes to use our scouting network in South America, etc and get a player instead of the usual media hyped dross.
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diablored August 10, 2013
I think Moyes needs help. Fergie would really help especially in terms of man management. Maybe even bring in Carlos Quieroz to assist with player purchasing issues.
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samuel - united WE stand August 10, 2013
Enzo - already spoke about kondogbia. He had a terrific last season and is carrying that form into this one. The lad is powerful, skillful and dominant. His defensive awareness is getting stronger too. Box to box. He's just 20 and certainly not a flash in the pan. He's got big potential and can develop even further. At 8mill, it would be a bargain, I wonder if united are even looking at him, he certainly would've been under fergie's radar. I think his contract is complex, 3rd party ownership apparently but I would snap him up, at united, the club builds players like him up, they don't always buy ready made.
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samuel - united WE stand August 10, 2013
Enzo - fellaini, modric are the most obvious, the media roll out the most predictable lines, the likes of daily-mail, The sun, mirror, daily star, all with incompetent journalists and it's tedious. It's clear moyes is not really interested, perhaps it's time to quit chasimg unrealistic targets and sign central mids with huge potential, players with the right characteristics.
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King Eric August 10, 2013
Diablored. Moyes doesn't need help. He's been managing for years, admittedly not United but he's no mug. Only yesterday RVP said he loves working for him.

Rukky. Don't think anyone's said Adnan is a box to box midfielder because he obviously isn't.

Samuel. Spot on regards Adnan.

Kings. Alright mate. Ha quality post.
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RedHarry4Life August 10, 2013
@Samuel
Totally agree about the kid Kondogbia. Seen him a couple of times last season and he looks like a monster. 1st time i'd never heard of him but he was the best midfielder on the pitch looked awesome and I made a note of his name. For £8million well worth a punt.
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spidey August 10, 2013
Kondogbia would easily waltz into the current united line up but I haven't heard much chatter about us interested in him.. I am sick of all this transfer talks and all, waiting for the football to start..
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GENTLEKEZ August 10, 2013
Thank you all for all posts, well said. Honourable mention to Dela, Rukky, NBI, FLETCHTHEMAN,king eric, we are united. The future is bright because we are UNITED
Pls I don't want anybody to comment again I want to be the last, no more comment needed. Enough said!
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nairobired August 10, 2013
@enzo
To be honest I'v been wondering about it too. I even suggested that someone should have just watched the under21 and picked the best that were on offer. TF is wrong with the scouting and player purchase at this club? It's just getting a midfielder who can do a decent job, not a top10 player in the world, just a guy who can move the ball from defence to attack and do his part in defence.
Hell, just raid one of the many average teams that have out muscled our midfield in the last 3 years.
On the same note, how is carrick considered world class when he is part of this mediocre midfield that is consistently overeran?
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samuel - united WE stand August 10, 2013
Nairobi - how exactly is that a logical reason to judge michael carrick? He's carried that midfield, especially defensively for a long while, how can he be judged if he isn't alongside more quality?
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Daniel Stapleton August 10, 2013
To the guy believing I was harsh on Owen Hargreaves - I think the problem with him is the way in which he left United. He went out all guns blazing, blaming United for his injuries. He had a history of injury problems and I felt it was a little bit of a get-out for him to blame United in order to bag a money-centric move to City. I'm actually of the belief that he is the best midfielder United have signed in the last ten years and I also think his defensive midfield performances in Europe really helped us to win the European Cup/League double in '08. But my criticism was of his belief that players who play fewer than 10 games should get medals. Of course HE thinks that. His commentary was okay and a breath of fresh air from people like Quinn and Smith on Sky.
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Andromeda August 10, 2013
As usual too much negative speech on a day where we all suppose to take it easily, it's testimonial and we are on verge of a serious encounter at Wembley directly after three days!!!!why there is so much worries I don't really get it, Moyes was already thinking about giving freshness to everyone, so this load of pessimism just doesn't make any sense for me.community shield is the real game we are waiting for to see what the lads are capable of, in fact it's also too early to judge united'sform on this one either.
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Dred August 10, 2013
Even though it`s still pre-season and some fans on here don`t like to read negative comments I still think everyone is entitled to call it as they see it. What`s the point of having an open forum if only one view is accepted?
Apart from one or two numskulls, I believe most fans on here are genuine through and through and are worried about what they are seeing. Granted it`s not the first game against Swansea yet and tbh I don`t think we are playing bad but we seem to be lacking in our approach. We can`t just say "it`ll be alright on the night", we really have to start showing now because I really think we might be in for a rude awaking against a good looking Swansea side.
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Rukky August 10, 2013
Enzophonics at 08:560 you hit the nail hard. What happened to buying players before they 'Officially' become superstars? Spurs spot them and go for them. 'Unproven' Players that we seem to ignore include the likes of dembele, sandro, kongdobia, capuoe and paulinho( talk about the missing part of the jigsaw, exactly what we need) now chesky are reportedly interested in willian of anzi and gustavo and we are still looking for that 'marquee signing'. Honestly ,i prefered the days when we absolutely dominated a team and won by great margins but with our current crop of midfielders, we will be matched in almost every game even if we eventually win, and that don't do your blood pressure any good.
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ini August 10, 2013
moyes is no good coach for manu the useless man is trying to ruin manu he has no future ambition for manu what he brings to the club is conflict between the players take a look at rooneys saga which all started because of his foolish statement on rooney.he has not won any trophy yet but he is proud of his foolishself.moyes is going to ruin manu if something is not done
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ini August 10, 2013
if moyes is finding it difficult winning a pre season match whatelse does he want's to win.i hope somebody can remind him that manu is not everton.he as be given enough funds to get good players up till now the confused man does not know what he wants.I DON'T LIKE DAVID MOYES.
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Rukky August 10, 2013
Ini from your post i understand you're not just critisizing moyes but you also want him out after the just conclude preseason. Ok, you dont sound too bright for any argument, so lemme put things the easy way: 1. Roo's saga started a long time ago. 2. Critisize but Support the team please.
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Dred August 10, 2013
Ignore the troll "Ini". No true United fan refer to us as Manu
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ini August 10, 2013
thanks rukky for your concern but am really very scared of moyes
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