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LIVE BLOG: United vs Swansea

January 5, 2014

Justin DeCouto

CONFIRMED LINE-UP: United vs Swansea (FA CUP)

VIDEO: Chicharito’s goal vs Swansea

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RedOne January 5, 2014

Ok, my first post since blog update. I gave Moyes chance, but he is like Pardew at Newcastle. Only way to work this out is to buy him all the quality players and clear out all the useless ones and some of the quality one who are not used in the right way. So that he won`t be able to play with anything else than quality players in the right positions. He proven himself not up to the standards. I admit that it`s not only his blame, but was expecting a bit of spark in his tactics and team selection. All I saw is Barca having a really really bad day, just passing around 40-60 yards away from goal, completely clueless. Also no motivation, with the exception of Hull game, when we get a goal, there is no freaking way, we re going to equalise, yet turn the game in our favour. sth SAF was able to do.

We had a few good moments, but so did Everton under Moyes. So if SAF won`t admit he made a mistake appointing Moyes and will keep forcing him, we must clear out some players and bring more quality ones in.

So I say sell

Ando - had his chances

Fabio - not that I want that, but clearly, especially after today, he wants it

Young- now that he scored a couple of goals and maybe someone became interested in buying him, but the problem is his wages, no one is going to pay that for him.

Cleverly - although a good squad player that put in good performances lately, under Moyes he must go because Moyes is not able to rotate him in a right way and that costs us.

Giggs - must retire and become a coach.

Rio - same as for Giggsy.

Kagawa - quality player, would be outraged, but Moyes seems unable to utilise him in a right way.

Evra - should become left winger, because his defending is becoming worse every day. That is if should be considered to stay.

Then there are still players who might be on the list due to Moyes inappropriate utilisation.

Smalling - he is not a freaking RB, wouldn`t sell him, but if Moyes is unable to see that, what else can we do?

Chico - a great potential being wasted. We all know what he can do, but unless he gets chances, which he don`t lately, he is useless. Also must play him more, it`s clear he isn`t been himself(sharp and 100% fit) for a while now.

Carrick - seems to not believe into what Moyes wants from him.

Nani - another potential being wasted. It`s true that Valencia had a better season, but his left foot disability has become a real problem of late.

Buttner - not being given more time with which he could develop into a good left back.

So yeah basically half the team which is really sad and hard to swallow. Although I want for Moyes to succeed Im seeing this more and more unlikely. Unless there are some changes soon, whether Moyes and his coaching team or the players, nothing good is coming our way.

Then there is another problem that is going to appear out of nowhere in the summer, when Rooney decides to leave, RVP to follow him and maybe Barca or Real comes for De Gea. Then we`re fucked. And Moyes would break yet another major record how to screw the champions in a single season. Really freaking sad. I really really hope I`m wrong, but at the moment this is looking really really bad.

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Mark Reid January 5, 2014

Where's the United spark gone?Goodness that was arguably one of the tamest United displays I've ever seen in my 46 years of watching United clueless it's as if the players aren't even listening to Moyes.

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UnitedFaithful January 5, 2014

I do not know but I can assure you the breaking point is not halfway into a season,something tells me he will be given at least 2-3 seasons to shape the squad his way and if he fails then he will be let go.One thing we as supporters have to understand is that sacking Moyes will not be the solution to the problem we find ourselves in,even if a new manager comes he is going to have to deal with the same issues that Moyes is doing right now and there is nothing to guarantee that he will succeed at it from the word go

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Little Red Ant January 5, 2014

We will support the manager as long as he is the manger - yes we have the right to bitch and whine.
In my opinion we are missing a good No 2 - Steve Round is not the man. DM needs a person who knows about football and tactics to bounce ideas off and make suggestions the manager may actually act on. I may get slated for this but this has been my view since day one.
Need a Carlos Queiroz - a great number 2 - etc

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dazbomber January 5, 2014

Michael Laudrup team played passing controlled football like we use to play , Martinez sides play controlled passing football , thease managers have got there teams playing great football without spending much money. It must be down to the manager the way your team plays. Can you imagine if any of these two were at United what kind of players we would have and what kind of football we would be watching . I do not think David will be sacked it's going to be a long season.

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UnitedFaithful January 5, 2014

My last post was addressed to Nairobi Red

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Dela January 5, 2014

@UnitedFaithful ---> Yep, exactly correct mate. Last season up until around Stephens Day, we were winning games because we were scoring so much, so it made up for the conceding. After Xmas, I'm not sure what Fergie said to those boys but they barely left in anything up to the point that they won the league. But as soon as they did that they start conceding again... remember the dramatic 5-5? A game that in someways gave a hint that we'd have major problems at the back this season.

I think one of the most glaringly obvious differences between Fergie and Moyes is Fergie handles a crisis situation better, in fact I have no idea how the man did it.

I'd say if Moyes went to Fergie today and asked for advice, I think he's surprise Moyes by telling him to buy a striker before he buys for midfield, because Fergie always bought up promising striking talent sometimes even when we were desperate for a defender or midfielder. Fergie has said it over and over again, it's a results business, and goalscorers give you good results. We have one of the greatest goalscorers of this generation but he's injured and with his history, we're not guaranteed he'll play a very large part for the rest of the season. So what does Moyes do... does he wait and see on RVP or does he try to buy goals?

If you don't turn chances into goals you're fucked either way. I also have a sneaking suspicion Fergie would probably tells Moyes to change his backroom staff, or some of them. Like I said in my first post here, what really annoyed me about today's game is how bad the players got after around the 55-60th min mark. I know some of them don't have much game time under their belt but they played at times like they were completely exhausted.

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tallestreD January 5, 2014

It is really ridiculous to say Fergie owes us. He doesn't. And like Samuel said Fergie is gone now. Let's face the problem head on.

Truly our players lack a leader when on the pitch. No leader, no motivation, no drive at all. I also agree that Moyes decision to even start Valencia and Cleverley was a bit off. I would've thought Anderson and Zaha could have started if only to give the regulars a rest.

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UnitedFaithful January 5, 2014

Dazbomber

Even the great man himself failed to inspire a swashbuckling style of football last season,so your argument doesn't hold much water mate

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Redfrog January 5, 2014

Give Moyes 3 seasons and we will be in a worse situation then now. In fact we will have to rebuild from the start like when Fergie came. We will be with mediocity players like Fellaini. Give Moyes 200 millions, he will find a way to have 11 hardworking monkeys on the pitch.
When you see his post match comments you can see that Moyes is clueless. He is making excuses and blamming the players for not scoring. He is a manager who thinks that because you had a better possession you deserve to win as he doesn't know that against a big club most club will play on the break. He is a fucking clown.

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Henke17 January 5, 2014

OK, Ive been following this blog for years. I love the insights and use a lot of the points people make all the time to develop my thinking on my beloved Manchester United. This is one of the very few times i feel the need to make a point, and probably the very first time that i feel the need to make a very large point.

I am definitely not one of the MoyesOut types and i’m certainly not one of these people who are so quick to jump to the idea of him being the wrong choice. I think we shouldn’t even be having the discussion about judging him now only 6 months into the job without any notable signings. Its unfair to judge him on how he manages somebody else’s team without giving him the chance to reinvent it his own way and giving him that sort of chance will take a season or two.

I have however, after watching todays game had some alarming suspicions confirmed that i was concerned that about following the Tottenham game.

Firstly, all this talk this season about the insisting on playing Young, and playing Valencia, and wondering where Zaha is or playing Kagawa out of position. And what exactly Fellaini was expected to do etc all ties into the same thing.

We don’t have the squad to play the 4-4-2 with crossing wingers that Moyes is insisting on. We have 5 Attacking midfielders that both drift out wide and cut inside(including Rooney)- Kagawa, Januzaj, Zaha and Nani. We only have 2 traditional wingers in Young and Valencia. When Young or Valencia aren’t playing, rather than change tactics to suit the players we have to replace them, he replaces like for like and put Kagawa, Nani and Januzaj on the wings. It isn’t working.

I understand that we don’t have the midfield to sit behind 3 creative AMs that drift wide but this is where we need to spend, something Moyes doesn’t seem to be interested in either. We’re insisting on exploiting width and getting the ball crossed in and keeping the play away from the centre of the park where we’re at our weakest.

to support this… We have the lowest attack percentage through the middle of the park in the entire league. We also have the highest number of crosses, and lowest success rate of these crosses.

we’re playing tactics that don’t suit our squad. Rather than adapt tactics to the squad, Moyes is forcing our squad into adapting to his tactics.

If he buys in some midfield reinforcement and we change from being so easy to play against with our cross and hope mentality and use our players like Kagawa, Nani, Januzaj, Zaha properly rather than ignoring them or sticking them on as crossing wingers and then judging them for not being good enough, then maybe things will start to change. But i seriously can’t see it right now.

It will all become clear when we see who Moyes signs. If they’re traditional wingers and midfielders to replace our creative players in order to have a more efficient set of players to suit his tactics then it will be obvious. We’ll have spent a transitional season wasting a good squad with poor tactics until we brought in the players to suit those dated tactics. We’ll probably start to compete but we’ll be boring and predictable.

We need a midfielder, and we need to start using our attacking players how they were signed to play. I fear that Moyes doesn’t know how and that we will instead lose out on witnessing the growth of a gifted young squad in place of a physical midfield and a cross and scramble attack, albeit after a year or two of a trophyless and uninspiring transition.

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UnitedFaithful January 5, 2014

Dela

Great post mate and absolutely agree.Someone said on another forum that Fergie in his last couple of seasons prioritized covering up his team's deficiencies rather that dealing with it as another rebuilding process would have taken more time than he was preparing to stay,basically giving the new manager an opportunity to mould his team the way he wants and I think The Glazers will afford him he time to do so but until that happens we have to ride the storm I guess

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WilliamAR January 5, 2014

Having watched the game today I have to say it's bloody frustrating that a team who won the league so comfortably are playing so badly. there's been a lot of comments regarding cleverly which to some degree i think is justified. cleverly was supposed to be the replacement for scholes buy he just doesn't have the football intelligence to come even a quarter of scholes. I don't mind the fact that he only passes sideways and backwards because in scholes's early career he was similar, it's the fact that he doesn't follow the sideways pass up with intelligent movement that keeps the ball moving forward. Scholes could lay the ball off sideways but very quickly move in an advanced position to recieve the ball back. for all those who want to mention scholes being able to spray the ball cross field and open play up, that didn't develop till a little later in his career. early door he was an illusive type pass and move player in the centre of the park. it was that coupled by his unnoticed runs in the box that gave a healthy return of goals too. what bothers me the most about cleverly is the fact he hasn't used the advantage he's had over every other midfielder in world football, to play alongside and train and learn from the greatest midfielder of most generations. it's like he hasn't learned anything or bothered to for that matter.

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Only 1 Utd January 5, 2014

“We need to get back to winning ways. We have to make sure we find a solution to win. It doesn’t matter what style, we have to find a way of winning.

I'm afraid at Manchester Utd it does matter what style we play moyes so either have a vision of good attractive football or if you wanna transform Utd to stoke then for you more than anyone else resign and go manage a small club without the famous traditions of Utd. No wonder our football has been shit wen you have the manager saying he doesn't give a flying fuck the way we play??!!! Absolutely no philosophy or vision. If Solsjkaer or Giggs are successful in their next managerial jobs we should take them on.

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martin the nairobian January 5, 2014

do you wanna know what city,arsenal ,chelsea and liverpool fans are most afraid of currently??
Simple,moyes getting the sack.
Luckily for them they can all breath a huge sigh of relief since the egocentric and self -righteous man utd board wont sack him come what may.

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Sparkz January 5, 2014

When you're down, nothing goes for you. We maybe didn't deserve to win today but certainly didn't deserve to lose, no way at all. But Rio gets injured, Fabio has a brainfade, and we concede late on. Just not getting the breaks at the moment (see the penalty appeals against Spurs for example).

But, despite the bad luck, there are serious serious issues with us. Lack of spark/creativity today (bar Adnan and Welbeck), and it's been the case for much of the season. Too predictable and easy to play against - and at the back we are vulnerable as fuck, which surprises me as that's supposed to be Moyes' strength,

Make no mistake about it - Fergie has to shoulder a lot of the blame. He preceded over a lot of these problems:

No midfield signing for 6 years
No quality left back signed despite Evra being washed up since 2010
A series of one dimensional players signed since 2009
A gradual decline in the quality of our football

All issues which reared their head under Fergie. He may have been able to paper over the cracks but nobody else could have. He should have solves these issues before he left instead of handing Moyes an even tougher job than it already was.

As I've said - Moyes deserves credit for at least TRYING to solve these issues (Fabregas, herrera, Baines, Coentrao etc), which Fergie didn;t do. But at the same time, you wonder how well he's motivating the players because atm it seems like they're not playing for him. And for a manager that's the worst possible thing that can happen.

The best we can hope for is scraping top 4 and the League Cup - but if we don't make signings this month then even that's out of the question. I know January is a difficult month to sign players, but we need to give it a good go.

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DeGeaWeTrust January 5, 2014

Sparkz - even though Herrera was available all summer long, Moyes decides to try and buy him in the last minute. But if you read my posts over the past 5 years since I have been here, I said there serious problems with the side later down the road, fergie needs to take 50% of the blame or even 40%, the rest of the blame goes to the owners, who have reduced the clubs financial situation to a midtable club. Like I have said, its very hard to compete when the ownership who are not swimming with cash, but with debt. And until the glazers are bought out, united can never truly get to the levels we want them to get to, but fergie really did fuck up telling the club to appoint moyes, and what makes it worse he is on a 6 year contract, when he should have been on a rolling contract, or atleast 3 years so he could be sacked without paying huge money on compensation. Because failing to get a top 4 after winning the league, is deserving the sack. What sums up Moyes is reign, it reminds me so much of the roy hodgsen days at Liverpool a few years ago, or even the souness days at Liverpool back in the 90s

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DeGeaWeTrust January 5, 2014

The best bet is to get Powell back from onloan, and get him in the team, but there are so many things wrong with the side, where do united start? this was another awful performance, I just do not see this side making the top 4 they are that bad

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Paschal Agwunobi January 5, 2014

I keep saying it; Tom cleverley is the worst, shitest and most foolish player to ever play for man utd, his mediocrity knows no bounds..all he knows is sidewards and backwards passes, and he still gets picked for every game..teams like barnsley, burnley and Nothinham forest will reject him, cos he's to0 wack, only passes the ball backwards, and sideways..his passes are so short..am tired of talking about that cunt called cleverley, cos the more I talk, the more that shite coach called moyes keep selecting him.. Moyes is the biggest joke in football,won't forget his press conference after cardiff game:"before the match, I would have gladly taken a draw"...hahahahahaha.lol. .this club is becoming a bigger joke lately

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Toto January 5, 2014

How could Welbeck play as number 10? Why the heck "all balls to Tony V" shits keep happening all the time? How many times I did see Kagawa was in good position, demanded a pass, but Clev pinged the ball sideways or backward. He did point out where to pass, but also ignored. This kind of "hoof ball" policy should stop and it begins with Moyes. Even if Moyes could bring in a new great MF, but ordered him ping the ball to the wings as soon as possible, would this boring shit with long balls stop happening? I do not think so. The problem does not lay mostly on the players, but mainly on the trainer and his football style. I bet, even with Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi and Iniesta on hands, Dithering Dave would keep his ultimate long ball stuff, because he does not know anything else.

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united till i die January 5, 2014

@ DeGeaWeTrust

If you're totally rebuilding then you start at the back and build out. You Lay the solid foundations and build off of that each transfer window. Moyes might no be able to get the midfielders he wants right now but that's no excuse for not strengthening the back line this month. Once that is done he can start to rebuild the midfield which for me needs 2-3 top players. I've said from the start he should get two full seasons to lay the foundations for how he wants the team to play. That gives him 4 transfer windows to bring in his players but as we have already seen he's blown the first one and now he looks like he's not going to do business in the second one.

I can be patient with Moyes but he can't continue to use the "we're in transition" excuse and not actively be making changes to the squad.That excuse is only valid if you have brought players in already and they are needing time to adapt to the league.

If he wants to do a quick fix and paper over the cracks he will focus solely on midfielders but to be honest given what he's shown us in the first 6 months I don't think he's capable of going this route.

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WilliamAR January 5, 2014

@united till I die

can't say i agree with you on building from the back first. barca barely defend at all and only have 3 at the back most of the time. if we buy loads more defenders instead of letting jones and smalling grow to be good defenders we end up a team who becomes defensive first and big attacking player don't want to play for boring defensive teams. our defenders aren't too bad just now. we have rafael and despite his red card today fabio who are both good players. we should let smalling and jones grow as a pairing and have ferdinand and vida as cover until we can sort out our midfield creativity first. with rooney and RVP we're always going to be formidable if we can sign a good creative midfielder. I know it's unlikely after moyse's comments but I think Mata or Koke would be fine additions. we just need to offer the right money and not be cheap. the mata one is possible given his current situation. our problem is, because of our form and position we're sort of forced to have to pay over the odds for players now and convince those top players of our "TRANSITION LOL" and convince them of a project of taking over the world lol. but to give us that appeal we also have to fight our way back into the top 4 to give us a better chance. it's tough but we can make do with our defence despite the injuries until we sort the midfield out first. we're losing it in midfield which is forcing us to play like an old fashioned kick and rush team or solely at times like a get it to the wings and hope we put a decent cross in and hope someone sticks it in the net. so for me midfield first.

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Carlos Santana January 5, 2014

@henke17. Completely agree. This explains our over reliance on the backs to provide so many crosses. This makes us predictable, and worst easily beatable.

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iamMatty January 5, 2014

Ferking hypocrites! Ferking hypocrites the lot of them.
They basically suck off moyes but then downtalk our own players. They shift to players who get played out of position, played in an idiotic system that negates all their tactical abilities, players who get benched more than they are played. . .same players who brought tears of joy to our eyes in years past, players who have lived and breathed manchester united over the years, same players who would never give up under saf.
You say tom cleverly and I remember the same player that formed the well oiled machine that outplayed madrid last, I remember cleverly who more than held his own against chelsea and mancity away from home last year, I remember the tom that bullied arsenal's midfield at OT last year, same tom cleverly that had yaya toure in his pocket in his first major appearance for us as a substitute against mancity in the shield. Tom clevz is not a xavi nor an iniesta, but neither is he a pub level player too. . .in the right system he can be as useful as ur claudio marchisio, javi martinez etc
I've seen what cleverly can do, so can sumbody tell me what the everton manager has and can do?
Typical english idiots too dumb to look at the bigger picture of tactics and football systems, instead just take the easier step of passing blames from one player to another.

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Heard somebody said moyes will be given all the time in the world to build his own team. . .hahahaha News flash fools!!! Nobody wants to play for midtable dave, and the financial results just been confirmed by the stock that united's total worth has depreciated in the excess of 220mil since mr everton took over,shows the owners must be feeling the heat too now.

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WeAreUnitedd January 5, 2014

Hello lads

I am bloody speechless, from watching the class of 92 before the game and then watching the match, with no spirit of sort.

The only players with the spirit were Welbeck Januzaj and Chicharito who gave it all. Others just lacked everything, and I am not trying to rant or anything, because I am out of words, but bloody hell, every record set ha been broken, I thought the managerial transition would be easier, lookign at the lieks of Barca madrid bayern etc, but of course we have to make it the Manchester United way, the hard way.

Moyes did show himsefl very week today, he looked depressed and uninterested as if he lost his trust on his players, SAF never had that look and Moyes today showed for me the first time a weakness, I don't mean we are playing well or anything but him sitting there and making Hodgson impressions, they are hard to take in a team of the calibre of ours.

what now?

I myself would be hars next season, and make some decisions.
Firstly implement 443 and secondly take some deadwood off, keep some experienced lads, BUY 3-4 established players,promote youth and put us back to the map

Next season for some resurection:

out: Ferdinand, Young, Buttner, Anderson, Kagawa, Evans, Giggsy retiring,
Nani maybe leaving? Chicharito leaving? Rooney leaving?

in: XX- CBplayer, Coentrao 12mill, Gundogan 20mill?, Cabaye 10-15mill? or XX-player, Muniain 15mill? or Reus 45mill. (Swap Kagawa back and try to get one of reus or gundogan)

Youth: Powell, Zaha, Lingard, Andreas Perriera, Henriquez, James Wilson and Michael Keane to replace those deadwoods.

DDG
Rafael ------------ xxCB-player ------ Vidic/Jones -------- Coentrao
-------------------------- Gundogan Cabaye ----------------
----------------------------- Rooney/Januzaj ---------------
Welbeck/Januzaj --- RVP/Rooney/Welbeck --- Muniain/Reus

I know it's waaay to early and waay to hard to get players, and it seems like a crazy thing to do, BUT

KEEP IN MIND, what I am trying to do here is to get YOUTH in, take deadwood players off, and bring new blood mixed with old blood.

I will get stoned for this, but feckin heck, insted of bashing or ranting, I IF IWERE A MANAGER, would try to pull these players ON!

don't hate, participate.

peace.

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united till i die January 5, 2014

@ WilliamAR

I don't necessarily disagree with you in fact in terms of the defense the left back position is the only real area that needs upgraded. When I said build from the back out I mean get a solid back 4 and stick with them instead of chopping and changing every game. Right now we have 3 of the 4 defensive positions covered but this window should be used to replace Evra with a younger player then we will essentially have our back 4/5 in ace for the next 7/8 years if they each reach their potential. Again waiting for the right midfielders to become available in the summer is no excuse not to sort out our defensive issues this month.

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DeGeaWeTrust January 5, 2014

united till i die - united are in a rock and a hard place, you got an ageing set of defenders who have been the bedrock of the team since 2006, Ferdinand vidic and evra, but you also got players who should be in this team week in week out in rafeal jones smallen Fabio evans, problem? these guys are never fit week in week out, so we have some players who are young and coming into their prime, but they are never fit.

Moyes if we are being realistic in his rebuilding process, needs another 2 more seasons, this year has been a disaster, but if we are not seeing progress in the buying and selling, we are never going to be in the shape we need. Now united need to start moving the likes of Anderson Valencia and young on for starters, fellani has been added to the mess this side are in already, I look at the overall ageing players Ferdinand vidic evra carrick fletcher giggs RVP and even rooney, that is allot of money needed to be spent to replace these players, now rafeal jones smallen Fabio should have already solved the backline problems

GK - DDG
defense - rafeal jones smallen evans Fabio butner
midfield - powell cleverly kagwa zaha januzaj
forwards - rooney welbeck hernandez

that is some really good foundations in place for this team, that is with guys like RVP who is class, but long term the side should respond. But fergie left the teams spine in dire shape, the spine will need rebuilding and not just in midfield

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WeAreUnitedd January 5, 2014

part 2

IF some of the players we bough got suspended or injured, then we have the youth in the bench instead of players willing to sit there for 7 years just to get payed in front row seats.

My system would implement youth new blood and experienced player + locals.

peace.

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WilliamAR January 5, 2014

@WeAreUnited

don't think we'd get gunogan for 20 million, he's more the same value as reus. we'd have to pay at least 38-45 million and if I were manager i'd offer 50 to be sure.

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WeAreUnitedd January 5, 2014

well IF we could get Gundogan OR Reus, A SWAP DEAL WITH KAGAWA would take an extra 15 mill off,

overall I think I have a great slottion on papers for our next season.

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WilliamAR January 5, 2014

@WeAreUnited

Keeping kagawa would be better because he has played with those players before so his link up play would be better and it would take reus of gundogan less time to settle in.

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WeAreUnitedd January 5, 2014

and the point was not on how much we could get them, but I only showed a price and WHO we SHOULD get and how to build that team

IF I can come with a plan of this, why on earth the people out there can't ? it's obvious those are amazing players and it's obvious the youth we have are great prospects

Look at Januzaj, hands off best player today when got the ball, dribbled with ease, has the huinger and spirit to become the best AND LIKE GIGGSy who set the standards of the class of 92, now Januzaj has set the standards for the rest to follow.

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WeAreUnitedd January 5, 2014

@william

I WAS BEHIND Kagawa 100% but if it I had the coice to swap for Reus or Gundogan (hardly both would come as Lewy is leaving them) then give them Kagawa who has done bar to shit and bring new blood, don't think that Kagawa could advise them any better .

I am harsh on Kagawa now, because I stood and WILL stand behind our players, but now he looks lost and out of his place. so no diss, just hard facts.

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DeGeaWeTrust January 5, 2014

WilliamAR - this boardroom are so out of date and an ownership not washed with cash, that paying 38 to 45 million is not something this club is willing to do. Like I say, until the glazers along with woodward are gone, we will continue to see these results, unless we have a manager with some evolution, its gonna be a difficult time for the fans

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WilliamAR January 5, 2014

@WeAreUnited

it's all well and simple saying get these players but their respective clubs have to agree to sell and the players themselves have to show interest. they might look at out current situation and be put off by the idea or they could be players like giggs and scholes who are one club guys. I'd say we could certainly offer big money for top players and at least it would show that the club were trying their best to fix our problems.

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WeAreUnitedd January 5, 2014

@degeawetrust

mate, how does my solution look like, maybe not realistic and it's waaaay too early to say anything, but it is that simple, of course we don't deal with agens, players, their families the youth etc, but it can't be that hard, like I said, buy a core of players, take deadwood off and bring academy players who are motivated by Januzaj.

feckin hell, you need to adress players your football style sees, and because Moyes has addressed Januzaj, I have a still a belief that he sees quality, so I hope he sees those players!

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WeAreUnitedd January 5, 2014

that comment is also for you @william

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Carlos Santana January 5, 2014

To everyone criticizing cleverly. Just who the hell is he supposed to pass the bloody ball to ? It's not he that is the problem, but out dated tactics. We don't play through the middle where clevs and kags can shine. Instead we rely on long balls from the wings. Moses needs to play more progressively or move on.

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Carlos Santana January 5, 2014

Oops spell check moyes

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WilliamAR January 5, 2014

@DeGeaWeTrust

you can't blame our boardroom as at no point have they ever refused to grant funds for any player. 5 leagues in 6 years a champions league and always leaving the footballing decisions to the manager has always been their policy so what you say isn't entirely correct. with the appointment of woodword it's difficult for us as he's new to the role of negotiating for new players but it is true that he is seeking guidence from david gill in order to learn that specific task. however he is expanding us commercially with the sponsorship deals so he is buying himself the time to do learn the role we need him to learn. the Glaziers do have the cash as they did spend 27 million on fellaini and at the same time are repaying the debt quickly. people are just getting carried away with that side of things as we had one terrible transfer market. hopefully woodword will have learned from his mistakes and we can improve our business in future transfer markets. also I wouldn't judge his dealing in this market as it's going to be tough to get top top players this time of year with the world cup coming up and players already cup tied etc etc. i do expect him to try this transfer window though.

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jamiecarter_11 January 5, 2014

Time to shatter some of the myths being used to defend Moyes:
1. Fergie took 4years to win anything - Fergie took over a team that hadn't won the league in over 20 years, Moyes took over the Champions.
2. The team are in transition - Chelsea and Man City are in transition every year.
3. We are not a firing club - we were between Busby and Ferguson, by the same logic maybe we should have given Big Fat Ron another 6 years.
4. The squad he inherited was weak - ignoring the aforementioned point that he inherited the runaway champions, he had two months to sign a few players and we all remember that farce.
5. He needs time to get to know his best XI - this would be fair enough if you brought in a Martian to manage the team but he had surely seen enough of them over the years to have a fair idea who they were, and if he hadn't sacked the league winning coaching staff and replaced him with his own mediocre mates....
6. He achieved great things with Everton - it transpires he was holding them back. Won nothing at Everton, always lost when it mattered.
Enough us enough. The world has moved in since we appointed Fergie, a manager is no longer for life, fall out of the top 4 and a vicious circle ensues where players won't sign or leave due to absence of Champions League football. Moyes has to go, he has no track record to suggest he can turn this around, he is completely out of his depth (he won't be if he succeeds in turning us in to Everton pre-Martinez), put him out of his misery.

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Natalie Tyson January 5, 2014

To everyone who commented here, you rock !!! No matter if we all agree or not on the current topic, the fact is we all want the best for our club and i think that is awesome!
If the team can show the passion you guys have nothing can stop us!
Peace and love.

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Tommy January 6, 2014

@WeAreUnitedd

10 - 15million for Cabye? Newcastle wouldnt except 20mill for him from Arsenal

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Tommy January 6, 2014

Fabio was embarressing today, he came on and ran around like a headless chicken (as if he had drunk 15 red bulls before coming on) and then dived in pathetically, He shouldnt and probably wont play for the club again, total lack of discipline cost his team mates.

Same old story with the match, no pace in the side, toothless upfront, Players letting their manager down

@Samuel

Disagree with an earlier post you said, United 20 year success was only down to Fergie, that mans a genius, If he was managing Palace now they would be top 6 this season hes that good, Took Aberdeen to european success when all their players were born within 20 miles of the stadium, Never be repeated that!

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Only 1 Utd January 6, 2014

Just watched Moyes interview and God he looks devastated. I seriously feel sorry for him after watching that.

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WeAreUnitedd January 6, 2014

@tommy

fuckin hell

I HAVE NO IDEA how much players could cost, maybe I got it wrong with the fees, but that was not the point, the point was an idea how this could be sorted out, the idea of mine was to get rid of deadwood, get in more youth in place of them and bring new blood.

the fees or pricetags has nothign to do with my comment, should have never put the pricetags there, instead of trying to put good arguments, people jup first hand on the price!

no diss, just confused.

peace.

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Tommy January 6, 2014

@We are United

The club will no doubt be searching the free transfer market and looking to pay minimum wage for players, Tight fisted buggers those glazers/woodenhead

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DeGeaWeTrust January 6, 2014

WilliamAR - so when is the right time? 2009 did not seem like the right time, where all we heard from everyone, you cannot buy anyone has prices have gone up in transfers, this was the same transfer window where both robben and WS were available,You do not sell CR7 without spending half of it, when in the same year of 2008/09 season, the club had the most successful season in terms of games and trophy's won, united spent 12 million after selling CR7 for 80 million, on the backend of the double winning season of 2007/08, winning the 2 biggest prizes in club football, all united spend was 45 million in 2 years. I am sorry its not good enough, especially when the squads maintenance levels have gone down and down, you end up needing to pay more just keep the squad on an even keel. It is no different to a house, you do not keep up the maintenances, you end up paying more rebuilding it, if you leave it to rot

the summer of 2013, all we heard was Moyes and Woodward are just settling in wait and see, why should we wait and see? especially Woodward. They are getting very good money, and they are doing a terrible job. When did it become the norm to get paid very good money to do a shit job? can someone answer me that? They are supposed to know what they are doing, when a high corporation appoints you, that company expects that employer to know how to do his job, that was the whole reason they appointed that guy. Would someone appoint a pilot who could not fly a plane? I do not think so

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DeGeaWeTrust January 6, 2014

But like I say, to say the club have never denied transfers is looking at it blindly, go look at every summer transfer since 2005, how much did united spend in the summers of 2005 and 2006? in the first 2 years of the glazer regime? under 30 million pounds in 2 years

summer 2005 - park 4 million, VDS 4 or 5 million

summer 2006 - carrick 16 million PIG loan slash und

What united have spent since 2005, is peanuts compared to our rivals, and the performances have come home to roost. It is simple, if a top club does not keep up maintenance of your squad, you end up in the situation we are in. Its been coming since the summer of 2009