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PICTURES: United Players Leave For Tour

July 16, 2012

Scott is the editor of RoM and has a season ticket at Old Trafford. He started The Republik of Mancunia in March 2006. Follow @R_o_M on Twitter or @R_o_M7 on Instagram.

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Fred July 16, 2012

Anderson: "I ain't gettin' on no plane, fool!"

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goatinaunitedshirt July 16, 2012

KingEric

alright mate I am the original goatinaunitedshirt. I think the user name works with the email address you give. Big G little g I cant remember mate. Congrats on having a boy I didnt realise. Be careful he doesnt get used to baby blue now. lol. You know the youth of today - bleeding glorey hunters.

I took time out of here as I was no longer enjoying it. Im a sociable lad and have grown up round pub (not bar or nightclub) culture all my life and I thought it would be the same talking on here. It seems without emoticons people have lost the ability to crack a joke or generally know how to have a laugh. I suppose I should have guessed that a blog like this involving people from all over the globe with diferent hang ups talking like you would to your mates isnt the done thing. I'll keep my comments strictly football now and will try my hardest to cut out any jokes or language that some little fag will see inapropriate (ooops there I go again).
I love this site and more importantly I love manchester united I just wish that there were more on here, new ideas and points of view from around the globe instead of the very few that have in my view destroyed the original banter on here with talk of weather girls tits and bbq's and shiting on anyone new that comes in. 690 million fans and we have arguably 6 on here that speak for us all.

It would be nice if we could have seperate chat rooms where we could have a pub like environment where people who have a sense of humour can chat and the touchyfags can be in a different room.

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Giggs12Gerrard0 July 16, 2012

Denton

Why not loan him back to a Portuguese side even the team we bought him from who incidentally he had never even played for. How is it a stretch to say he isn't one of the biggest? SAF even had to come out and say he had never even seen him play.

No matter how much some will support a player no matter what I'm not having that anyone thinks this kid is a united first teamer. Would city give Bebe a chance would they fuck. Let's just hope he comes good whilst since we bought him city have bought Aguerro, dzeko, balottelli, Silva, toure, nasri etc etc are we not Manchester united or are we Bolton. Let's just admit it was a mistake and move on. Sorry for pissing people off on this but there is no way in my life will Bebe make it at OT.

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goatinaunitedshirt July 16, 2012

FletchTHEMAN

I sometimes wonder about the swings in which country a team tries to pick up players from. Is it purely commercial driven or do things come in waves.
As soon as Ronaldo and potrtugal do well and get to a final and knock out England theres a huge influx of portugese. Everyone has to have one, portugese manager, the next Ronaldo, the next Nani even portugese hard men midfielders? The spain becomes succesful and Silva this, mata, that, DeGea this etc etc etc Then there was the German craze of Ozil this Muller that (doesnt seem that good now) Schweinsteiger this Lahm that.
Im just thankful England didnt do well or we would be wooing after all of Liverpools gems, lol

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Giggs12Gerrard0 July 16, 2012

Goat

It's true that it becomes the must have craze.

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Fred July 16, 2012

FletchTM, Giggs12Gerrard0 & Denton Davey - David De Gea also ditched his original agent for Jorge Mendes just prior to signing for us, just like Nani and Bebe did. Very rum imo.

As for Besiktas's high number of Portuguese players, we can be more specific and say the Turkish club has a remarkably high number of Jorge Mendes clients in their squad. Surely it was no coincidence that they were the ones to take Bebe off our hands.

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Giggs12Gerrard0 July 16, 2012

Fred

Nice insight mate I didn't know that

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Mikekelly12 July 16, 2012

Evening all
Just been flickin through the posts... Bebe is fucking trousers!!! How anybody can see anything positive in this lad must work for Christian Aid!!!

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Wakey July 16, 2012

@Giggs12Gerrard0

Again it depends how you classify better. He has more raw ability than Cole and Brady but Cole and Brady are more refined as they are further along in their football education.

It ultimately all comes down to can he catch up in the footballing education stakes because if he can I'm pretty confident he will do more in football than Brady & Cole.

@FletchTHEMAN

With Bebe I think it's simply the case that others started to take an interest. I'm sure everyone taking an interest would have wanted to wait atleast a year before making a move to get a better idea of his development. It was 7mill most of which is supposedly conditional so it was worth taking the risk rather than get in a bidding war a year later

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FletchTHEMAN July 16, 2012

fred/ Giggs/ Davey,
Carlos Queiroz recommended Nani and Bebe. Always thought he orchestrated Ronaldo move as well.
1999 gave Carlos alot of credit at Banco MUFC in my view. Think he has been cashing in chips on a regular basis since then.

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Giggs12Gerrard0 July 16, 2012

Mike

Saved my sanity for the night mate, I thought I was alone.

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FletchTHEMAN July 16, 2012

Wakey, Cheers mate, Agree 100%. But don't think we would have gone for it sight unseen from just anyone. Carlos Queiroz had his hands all over this Bebe. ;)

The change of agents and the 4x new contract to increase our costs?! I can still smell the stench of that one.

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NotoriousRedDevil July 16, 2012

Bebe - was thinking about where he was the other day. So he's going on tour, means nothing so did Dong look how that turned out.

Having seen Bebe play live on more than one occasion for us, it will amaze me if he plays for us again. He's had more starts than players who were a lot better than him. How anyone can get the ball as high as the North Stand from a cross and that on a consistent basis is shocking, especially at this level.

As Giggs12Gerrard0 stated on the strikers/players cit-eh bought, in that same time we signed Owen, Bebe, Diouf and Hernandez. All gambles and only one paid off even though I still think Diouf could have been a squad member.

We seem to be willing to spend £7 million or so on unproven talent who may turn out to be gems. I have no problem with that 1 out of 4 isn't bad. Cut our losses and move on, even if I think we should have spent the money elsewhere on at least one of those occasions.

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Fred July 16, 2012

Fletch - want to take a wild guess as to who Queiroz's agent is? :lol:

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United Till I Die July 16, 2012

@Denton - Bebe was injured playing for Portugal U-21 last August. He reported back to United for treatment then returned to Turkey in March this year. He was banned for clubbing in April.

@Giggs12 - So what exactly are you saying, Bebe was called up to Portugal U-21 to spare Ferguson's blushes? Call me crazy but if Bebe is good enough to play for his national youth team and score a winning goal in qualifying I think its fair to say the young lad is no fucking dud.

Unless of course Alex Ferguson and the Portuguese FA are all in cahoots?

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Fred July 16, 2012

I'm not really arsed about Bebe. If he hadn't got injured last season he'd have been sold to Mendes FC, sorry, Besiktas as soon as this transfer window opened. He gave me some great laughs in his short stint at United, for which I'll be eternally grateful. I wish him all the best, sincerely.

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Mikekelly12 July 16, 2012

Wakey
I very much doubt Bebe will ever start a bidding war! Are we talking about Bebe the footballer or Bebe the womens clothing brand?

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United Till I Die July 16, 2012

@RoM

Btw so what if Fergie hadn't seen him play?

If you take Daily Mail as gospel you'd think Bebe was the first and only player to ever arrive like that. But where was the "media outcry" when Sandro was signed by Spurs for a few million without Arry knowing? Face it, ABU journo's saw Bebe as a United story that will run and run and run, even though United said from the beginning that Bebe is a work in progress.

Funny how closely some of you are echoing the tabloids on this one. I've never heard of any player being written off so authoritatively in my whole fucking life. 7 games for United, 6 games for Portugal, and 3 competitive goals since we signed him - but forget all that lads - Bebe is a complete and utter write off who will never ever enjoy a top flight career anywhere, ever.

Yeah and the fucking rest Lol. Can't you lot at least wait till AFTER the tour to start talking shit / pronouncing judgement on who doesn't have a future in football? In Alex I trust fellas. Schadenfraude or what?

UTID - laters.

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samuel - united WE stand July 16, 2012

We have not spent 7million on bebe. Why would FERGIE splash out that much on a player from the portuguese third division? You're only basing this unproven claims on the crap the english media have spouted.

I don't understand the aggro towards the portuguese. His presence does not hinder the club, he's a cheap fucking gamble that probably won't pay off or may do if FERGIE still believes he can. When bebe signed, anyone expecting him to drag united to a title is naive. FERGIE decided to take a risk like he has done throughout his career. Has failed at time but largely, he's been successful. People need to let this bebe thing go.

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Mikekelly12 July 16, 2012

Samuel
I haven't got issues with the fee, whatever it was, with Sir Alex or the fact he'd never seen him. I just think he's not very good at football, end of.
UTID
Darius Vassell scored 5 or 6 times for England, I think he's pretty shit as well. I wouldn't say representing Portugal at u19 level isn't going to change my opinion of a player.

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samuel - united WE stand July 16, 2012

I'm not one to be accused of having red tinted glasses on. I wouldn't declare bebe will somehow become a brilliant player as by judging his few appearances, he hasn't looked up to scratch but i feel he should be given another opportunity and if he fails then he'll find another club to re-ignite his career.

To me, bebe is not a flop. Why? because i never expected much from him. He can't be a waste of coaches time, he's not exactly the only player getting all the attention. If any other united player blames the presence of bebe for not fulfilling their potential then they need their mentality re-evaluated.

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samuel - united WE stand July 17, 2012

Mikekelly - i couldn't possibly defend bebe on that basis as his appearances showed he's far from what is needed at the top level. He looked raw, confused and out of sorts but that was a season or two ago, maybe he has shown improvements that the coaches have seen. Highly unlikely i know but this pre season will show where bebe currently is. If he hasn't developed then united should accept the losses. He's a cheap gamble after all, we don't need to weep and cast him aside like a dog with rabies. I'll wish bebe good luck at whatever club picks him up.

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daemondada July 17, 2012

I remember the unveiling press conference with both he and Pea sat at either hand of SAF.Whilst the Mexican smiled and chatted away freely in understandable English,Bebe peered into the cameras brooding and withdrawn.It was clear it would take more than a season for the Homeless World Cup star to grasp the language let alone acclimatise to wintry Manchester.Yet in his eyes I could see the pride of having bn chosen to wear the most treasured jersey in world sport.Whilst the condescending eyes of a surprised world glared fixedly at him,he held his peace content to let SAF usher him into the limelight.None of us Reds can claim to know the actual permutations behind his transfer nor his price yet,suffice to say that his stats far outshine those of Carroll and Downing who were homegrown,costlier and older than he is.He desperately tried to score in his initial appearances to win over fans to his side and it showed in his ballooned shots at goal and awkwardness.Undeterred,he began making passes to teammates in search of assists.I remember Wes' goal and how he celebrated with him along with JOS as if it were his.Before long he got his first goal.We all know the rest.I was watching brazilian futsal and wondering how non-portuguese speaking members of the team could understand the staccato instructions being dished out by the coach in real time let alone follow them.What I'm trying to say is most British lads no matter how good they are would suffer on their initial exposure to non-english speaking leagues.This must be Bebe's season.Get behind him Reds!

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daemondada July 17, 2012

I remember the unveiling press conference with both he and Pea sat at either hand of SAF.Whilst the Mexican smiled and chatted away freely in understandable English,Bebe peered into the cameras brooding and withdrawn.It was clear it would take more than a season for the Homeless World Cup star to grasp the language let alone acclimatise to wintry Manchester.Yet in his eyes I could see the pride of having bn chosen to wear the most treasured jersey in world sport.Whilst the condescending eyes of a surprised world glared fixedly at him,he held his peace content to let SAF usher him into the limelight.None of us Reds can claim to know the actual permutations behind his transfer nor his price yet,suffice to say that his stats far outshine those of Carroll and Downing who were homegrown,costlier and older than he is.He desperately tried to score in his initial appearances to win over fans to his side and it showed in his ballooned shots at goal and awkwardness.Undeterred,he began making passes to teammates in search of assists.I remember Wes' goal and how he celebrated with him along with JOS as if it were his.Before long he got his first goal.We all know the rest.I was watching brazilian futsal and wondering how non-portuguese speaking members of the team could understand the staccato instructions being dished out by the coach in real time let alone follow them.What I'm trying to say is most British lads no matter how good they are would suffer on their initial exposure to non-english speaking leagues.This must be Bebe's season.Get behind him Reds!

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daemondada July 17, 2012

Apologies.Seems I'm still not able to fix this double post setting.Bear with me.

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WillieRedNut July 17, 2012

To be fair, people have give constructive views on why they think Bebe won't make the grade at United. No one hates the lad. And we all hope he makes us eats our own words. Trouble is, I heard the same stuff about Obertan and Diouf. They were sold in the end. Good luck to the lad anyway. I really do hope he makes some sort of impression in a Red shirt. Bloody hard that, though. The shirt can weigh heavy for some players. The point about the fee, and the papers take on him, we should discard both. Players don't have any say on the fee. That's dictated by the clubs. You'd also have to be a thick cunt to listen to any fucking paper's opinion on players.

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WillieRedNut July 17, 2012

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-transfer-gossip-dimitar-1144816

Berba to West Ham? Mirror bollox again....

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Dean-Strauss July 17, 2012

Well, then, let's get it started......

Sell/keep/loan/buy/nothanks

If I were SAF, I would:
Berba: sell
Andeson: keep
Bebe: loan
Nani: keep
Macheda: sell
Fletcher: cure
Baines: buy
Lucas: buy
Eriksen: no thanks
RVP: bitch slap

Just one man's opinion.

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Phil Jones' Birdshit Streaks July 17, 2012

Make the pictures a bit smaller, so I definitely can't see. Thanks

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xol July 17, 2012

I've also seen Bebe live but I think he was miming

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xol July 17, 2012

Willie I agree it's too early and however fans feel about him now, nobody expected an immediate impact. It just requires patience. His inclusion is a surprise but it'll give the boss a chance to assess him. I reckon sending him away had something to do with immaturity (mobile phone texting during a game, erm 'unique' goal celebrations etc). He's now a year older, has spent time away from the group in a foreign country so is a little more experienced but his progress on the pitch obviously took a knock with the injury.

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xol July 17, 2012

If he did cost 7m, that's peanuts compared to the debt introduced by the unfit and unproper owners who couldn't afford to buy us. Debt debt debt. But it's ok because they're the only people on the planet who know how to sell the Manchester United brand and we'd be fucked without them because everyone would suddenly and magically forget who man United are.

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JC July 17, 2012

To be honest Willie I've thought Bebe had a better shot at making it than Obertan. And again to be fair Diouf has looked pretty good at Hannover (get a lot of Bundesliga on GolTV over here lol) since the move, he may have turned out at United with more time and less strikers ahead of him or maybe not but he's definitely developing where he's at with more playing time. I can see both sides of the Bebe argument (and depending on my mood agree with both too Ha!), but as long as he's still in the shirt and getting time to prove something even if it is just in the preseason atm, why not give him the benefit of the doubt. My God I'd love to see the looks on the faces of the English press and read the stories if he actually did somehow make it, maybe that's enough by itself to give him some more time.

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denton davey July 17, 2012

Giggs12 @ 22:18: "Why not loan him back to a Portuguese side even the team we bought him from"

If the guy has any real potential then I'd want to loan him to an "championship" side on the proviso that he gets LOTS of playing time - he will need to learn English so sending him back to Portugal wouldn't do him any favours in that regard.

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denton davey July 17, 2012

Fred @ 22:32: "Turkish club has a remarkably high number of Jorge Mendes clients in their squad. Surely it was no coincidence that they were the ones to take Bebe off our hands."

No coincidence, for sure. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours - and like that.

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911_DEVIL July 17, 2012

People are really out of their arse...
If one could explain me of why they think bebe is a flop I'm sure as hell they wouldn't find a single reason to save their lives
This giggs12 dude might have some issues with street kids
The guy is a promising lad
I'm sure nani at his age was even worse.
Enough with this bebe hatreds.

I'm only waiting for the op to make you eat humble pies, and sure he will, that will not take longer
Only a matter of hours, he's a faster progresser
Sometimes I get this intuition that people get pleasure from criticising united players
Now that your scapegoat carrick is doing well for both himself the club you jumped the bandwagon to bebe.

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RedBorneo July 17, 2012

Guys.. Do you know about Reece Brown..? How good he is..? i hope he is better than he brother Wes.

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911_DEVIL July 17, 2012

Newcastle want andy carroll back at st james park for just £12m :P

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Sandeep1878 July 17, 2012

Morning Nip biters around the world ;)

so at last we are a day away from seeing reds in action no?

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911_DEVIL July 17, 2012

Yes we are
Morning to you sun ssndeep

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Jeet July 17, 2012

FFS, I can't believe we have done 200+ posts discussing Bebe...now, Berba I understand. But Bebe? Bebe?!!

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Giggs12Gerrard0 July 17, 2012

911

"Got something against street kids," I just don't rate him you bell end u have said he is a nice kid its nothing to do with him as a person.
Scape goat of Carrick come to a game and here me sing for the lad. I get behind the lads more than anyone. Fucking fans on their high horse I support everyone in the shirt bollox. Of course we fucking do we support Manchester United not an in individual.

Dont judge my character because I don't rate one player. Look back at any game united lost and see who the biggest optimist is. Look back to when Chelsea were 3 up and see my posts on here. I follow the boys all over and spend my hard earned cash so I think if I want to say Bebe is wank I'm more than entitled.

Dog shit fans like you make annoy the fuck out of me. Do fuck all to support your team then try and take the high ground because you rate a player that quite clearly will never be good enough to make it. Better than Nani at his age talking bollocks. I hate fucking Liverpool but better than Carrol and Downing are you for real.

By the way this Giggs12 fella has been posting on here for years and goes every game. I have even met loads of lads on here and sorted out countless tickets home and away. Even sorted out devil310 from.California. I don't think I'm a bad fan do you.

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Giggs12Gerrard0 July 17, 2012

Also look at how I dont even support England due to the treatment of united players. I'm proper united pal and you couldn't have pissed me off more with your posts about my opinion on Bebe. Key message there is my opinion.

I won't ever again justify my support for united but not having some clown make comments like that. Fucking joker

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Balaji Sivaraman July 17, 2012

Giggs12, LOL! I cannot believe you typed all that out. Look mate, you know you're a United supporter, most of us here know you're die-hard, I don't see why you need to waste your energy because somebody thinks you're not a proper United supporter. Ignorance is bliss mate, let people post whatever nonsense they want.

As for Bebe, I was having the same discussion last year. I really hope the lad does come good because that would be some success story if it did. That would be better than both Goal movies put together. However, it is going to be really difficult and I still don't know what Sir Alex thinks of the lad. We'll see in the coming year whether he stays or goes.

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one two July 17, 2012

@ROM
In my opinion, i think the team don't need any more signings.Since we have shinji and cleverly ##hope he is not injury prone## it will surely make a balanced dynamic side.If by gods grace anderson is more motivated then we can have three man midfield of shinji-clev-anderson with the ever present MC16.

The only concerned area is the back up for evra bcoz am sure he will struggle against lennon.And i don't want us to sign baines since that can block fabio's entry to the team next year.

Speaking about CM..i think AY can do a job in case bcoz he is good on ball.

What makes me so excited about this season is the assist shinji provides to the likes of hernandes/welbeck and they finish it in style.For this to happen we must revert back to the 4-5-1/4-33 of the golden 2008 season.Hope for the best.

My team for 2012/13
DDG
raf- evans-vidic---evra
clev--MC--ander
nani-----rooney----shinji

With this team we can surely surpass tiki-taka...no way barca are going to bypass a midfield of clev/MC/anderson with the added support from rooney.Bring on Europe.We will conquer it.GGMU

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Giggs12Gerrard0 July 17, 2012

Belaji

I know mate I need to chill but was seething by the comment about street kids like I'm some bigot.

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Utd4life July 17, 2012

I see that the Bebe debate has been done to death so I won't add anything more than just say that I hope the lad has a decent career elsewhere if he does not make it at UTD. Though you have to wonder why the Gaffer picked him instead of a talented lad like Cole if he (Gaffer) did not think he has improved?