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June 3, 2010

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Scott Patterson

Scott is the editor of RoM and has a season ticket at Old Trafford. He started The Republik of Mancunia in March 2006. Follow @R_o_M on Twitter or @R_o_M7 on Instagram.

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Stretfordender June 4, 2010

@Costas, Don't think he would drop him... He is second in line for captaincy, but if he is injured/gets subbed, Wazza is next in line (as he was captain for Brazil game) Only positive I can see is increased responsibility etc, although he seems to get more frustrated and likely to lash out in an England shirt because of the lack of support/shit service he receives.
Would like to think Drogba may miss start of season but doubt it.
Finally, read through a lot of comments about and am becoming increasingly worried by the amount readers are believing on the web... There are some shit sites out there, and as willierednut says, they link us with a different player every day. This is to get more traffic to their sites and hence more advertising money. Please don't believe all the crap on there!!
Rant over!!

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willierednut June 4, 2010

Rio is the only central defender with pace, England are fooked.

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Gotta hate tiny tears June 4, 2010

SSN are saying the scouser gurrier is captain

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Gotta hate tiny tears June 4, 2010

they are saying that fergies number 1 fan carra could be played in CD
Just call up Wes Brown For Fuck Sake

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willierednut June 4, 2010

Big bad Wes Brown, he's too mean for the world cup.

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Fze123 June 4, 2010

Fuck, is Rio ever going to be fully fit again. We'll start the season with Evans and Vidic then. If one gets injured then we have a problem, Rio won't be available when we may need him. Who's going to captain the national team then, Steven Gerrard? Bloody hell.

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Slim June 4, 2010

Bloody hell. This thing about Rio isnt't good. I wonder what his long term fitness will turn out to be, Good thing SAF went out and got some one. Who knows he may well look to bring another defender in. The last thing we want to see next season is Smalling freezing up

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Gotta hate tiny tears June 4, 2010

willierednut says:
Big bad Wes Brown, he’s too mean for the world cup.

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

GOLD

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Gotta hate tiny tears June 4, 2010

To Rio

Hit The Beach And Relax Till Aug

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Costas June 4, 2010

I do feel bad for Rio, but it really is symbolic of how this season has gone for him. As for United, I think it's a good thing that this happened now because it gives us a chance to realise that our defence will likely suffer from the same troubles it did last year if we don't do something about it. I'd lilke to think that Smalling will offer a good option, but I don't think he is ready yet. It's time to look for a central defender imo.

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NotoriousRedDevil June 4, 2010

Any chances of me cheering Inngurland have gone out the window with that twat Stevie G now Captain. I know people are celebrating the fact Rio is injured, which is one of the reasons why I can't stand ingurland fans. Am gutted for him but he's become injury prone these last 18 months. I can see him calling it a day within the next 2 years which is shame because when fit the guy is class.

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sam smith June 4, 2010

I wonder whether Fergie might rediscover his ruthless streak and jettison Rio? We just cannot afford another season of playing a different back 4 each game, and it wont help if Rio is in and out of every match. Whether this knee problem is related to his back I don't know, but I think it is abundantly clear that he is never going to fully recover from this problem.

As much as our defensive injuries were of an exceptional nature last year, you would also have to say that Neville, Ferdinand and Brown are injury prone, and Evans, Vidic and the Da Silva twins are always picking up little niggly injuries - Evra is the only one who is consistently fit!

Therefore it's quite conceivable that we could end up with another period next season with 4/5/6 defenders out, and as Costas says, Smalling isn't ready to play a major role yet. He has raw talent, but also has a lot to learn and it would be throwing him in at the deep end if he ended up having to be more than just a back-up/squad player.

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NotoriousRedDevil June 4, 2010

@ Sam Smith I'd agree with you on Brown, Neville, Rio and Da Silvas. I do think this was the first season Vidic was out for a prolonged period of time. I think Rio will become to us what Hierro was for Madrid all those years ago, plays only when fit. Why is that the best 2 english centre backs have become injury prone. By that I mean King and Rio.

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willierednut June 4, 2010

Well, smalling is like a young Rio, and the fact we've got Evans and Vidic, i'm not really worried for the start of next season. @NRD Spot on mate, that cunt Cundy wants Terry back as captain, he's almost gloating about Rio missing out.

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Dave Mack June 4, 2010

Remember when we signed Smalling there were rumours that it was because Fergie knew he was going to have to let Vidic go .... well it looks today that the old fox might just be suspecting what Costas and GHTT said re Rio's body slowly breaking down. We'll see.

Red Devil .... we don't agree on everything re the Glazers but yoy 12:24 post is dead on for me.

I love your ...LUBU (Love United Be United) but will stick with LU - I Fergie I Trust for now!!

LU - IFIT

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theboogeyman June 4, 2010

If anyone remembers me, I'm back now.

Finally some non-Glazer stuff to talk about.

It's a bit of a shame that both Rio and Drogba are out of the World Cup, two great players.

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mikekelly12 June 4, 2010

Chin up Rio!!! Maybe a good rest over the summer will have him back for the start of the season in good health! Every cloud! I had the misfortune of having to listen to Talksport in my mates car this afternoon! What planet is that dick head Jason Cundy on. First he says it isn't a loss for England, and might even improve the team as he has had a poor season (While failing to add Terry has been shite!) He then says Rio was second choice captain anyway (Excuse me but I'm pretty sure he is Capello's first choice as Terry is now NO choice) He then asked the sports correspondent in South Africa who he thought would now captain the side (Hello, as a sports presenter should he not know Gerrard is vice-captain, or is he that moronic that he doesn't know the purpose of a vice-captain!) But the cherry on the cake was him suggesting Terry should be reinstated as captain!! When the correspondent said this would never happen and Capello had made that quite clear in his meeting (The one where Capello fucked him off in 5 minutes!) Cundy then says "But this is the world cup!!! Oh right, lets forget what a complete fuck witt twatt Terry has been and because its the world cup, forget it ever happened! Sorry about the rant gents, but that tit cundy gets right up my nose!! If there was any justice it would be terry on crutches coming home!! Oh....and if anyone needed another reason why Heskey shouldn't be allowed near an England squad....fucking your captain up one week before the world cup finals just about tops the lot!!!!

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bigphil2003 June 4, 2010

Rio Ferdinand -You got merked son!

Sorry, had to be said.

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Rai June 4, 2010

@ Bigphil2003......lmao!!!!!

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Paul Parker June 4, 2010

not just here but its funny seeing and hearing all the stick Rio gets from his own supporters. At least other Cunts were waiting for him to start a match in South Africa before they stuck the knives in. but there exists a section of United supporters who never fail to have a dig at Rio. he was even critised for "taking england too seriously" despite being made Captain of his Country for a World Bloody Cup. Slightly more important than his Club to be honest. He's earned everything he has in life, he hasn't had a free ride, and he doesn't owe me anything, so personally I couldn't begrudge him for looking forward to something as unique as a World Cup. Its his fucking life. Im 100% gutted for him that he isn't going, really am, its a shame. but I can imagine a section of United supporters being quietly chuffed. CUNTS, I think they're called. Yes, thats it, CUNTS.

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Gotta hate tiny tears June 4, 2010

off topic from the off topic

but id love it if you could check out emilys new vidic chant she did just out of here sick bed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc7ySowl53E

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Costas June 4, 2010

There are people talking about reinstating Terry? What the fuck? Ok, I can see why Chelsea fans would gloat about Rio's misfortune and ask for Terry's reinstatement. Anyone else doing it is an idiot. Terry should never be anywhere near that armband. Give it to Heskey for all I care.

@Dave Mack

The Smalling capture is one for the future. At the time Vida was injured under mysterious circumstances and many thought that he could leave at the end of the season. So naturally some felt that Ferdinand and Evans would play together in 10-11 with Smalling slowly gaining experience. In hindsight, Fergie probably realised what Rio's status is. Nonetheless, I feel that a defender is still necessary since Vidic has two years left on his contract, which might as well be one year if he doesn't renew his contract next year.

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willierednut June 4, 2010

I would be disappointed if United fans were happy about Rio missing the world cup, that would be selfish, imo.

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Schmuck June 4, 2010

I'm terribly sad with the news that our Rio is not gonna play in the world cup. And I'm absolutely gutted that stevie me is gonna lead the team. Give it to Rooney ffs

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Costas June 4, 2010

My opinion on Rio is that he should have taken the Scholes route and quit international footall after his back injury last year. Nonetheless, he kept playing and that's a credit to him. You can't be happy for today's developments. The way I looked at things, Rio shouldn't be as first choice for us next season as he was in the past, so he might as well have enjoyed his experience as England captain in a World Cup.

Unfortunately, Rio fell victim to a curse that Michael Owen and David Beckham fell victims to earlier this year. These 3 were in the running to become the first English players to compete in 4 consecutive World Cups. Rio was the last player gunning for that.

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Slim June 4, 2010

Away from Riogate, i'm really chuffed about Evra being captain of France, really impressed with the guy

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aig alex is god June 4, 2010

Gutted for rio. was likely to be his last major tournament. also fear that this is the beginning of the end for him.its up to the likes of evans, vidic and smalling now. one cunt was stripped of the captaincy and now another one will lead england in the world cup. wouldnt have minded if rio would have lifted the trophy and JT would have stood there watching rio lift it instead of him.

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Fze123 June 4, 2010

Of course we feel for Rio, being Captain and all he was clearly looking forward to leading the national team for the first time in his career; this may be his best, and last chance, to ever play in a WC. The small minority of Utd fans who welcomed this news should go shove their heads down the toilet. It's natural that we would be talking about how this will affect Utd, rather than talking about how it'll affect Ingurland (with or without Rio, they are still going to be found out by stronger teams); we barely got games out of him last season, so his current injury is a big blow to Utd fans, equally. Although the media of course don't acknowledge this - I've yet to see a "Big blow for Utd AND England" headline. I know the WC is a week away but he still plays for this club, ffs. Are they assuming all Utd fans don't give a toss about injuries, club wise, just because the WC is edging close?

Unlike previous season, we no longer have a Rio who is able to play 30+ games a season. Seeing him participate in SA would have reassured us that he is slowly regaining fitness and will be ready for next season. Unfortunately he'll be suffering from setbacks and get injured now more often than before. Our only formidable, reliable defensive partnership is Evans-Vida. That's something for Fergie to worry about during his holiday.

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willierednut June 4, 2010

We might now, go for the Danish guy who plays for palermo.

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aig alex is god June 4, 2010

WTF. italian tabloid Tuttosport reckons Andrea Pirlo is in danger of missing the WC. really disappointing this. always look to see the best at the World cup and some if the big names are already out

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Gorse Hill Red June 4, 2010

Christ, Gerrard as Ingerland captain. If Ingerland do win it he will have the same status as Bobby More. That DJ assulting, pedophile and corrupt game thrower picking up the World Cup as captain will make me sick to the core. Although being English I simply cannot have any desire to support them this World Cup.

I heard it is ligament damage will he miss the start of the season? At least the physios can work on his back for three months.

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bchilds June 4, 2010

I'm glad Rio has got injured, hopefully that means that once his treatment for the injury has been completed he'll have the summer off to relax and get in great shape to return, strong as ever, to aide United's cause.

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EpoXy05 June 4, 2010

I would much rather Rio be regaining form playing for england after being out for most of the season than have him laying on a beach with ligament damage.

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Gandalf June 4, 2010

It has to be said Rio is really unlucky. I feel sorry for him, hope he gets over it.

GHTT - one slip and he'll break your nose... good one. Hope Emily gets well soon.

As for VDV, I haven't seen him play since the Hamburg days - is he still playing well when he gets the chance at real?

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redscot June 4, 2010

@Mack @21,49 yesterday. Thank you mate, you see you are begining to develop the various avenues that are open or can be opened. The ministry of sport makes sense as does the Eu cultural level,I really dont even care if it was the Ministry of funny walks.Lets look and think what are realistically availiable
All I was trying which failed was to get some suggestions from the lads as what we could realistically do.
To sit on our hands and just let things go on and on and on, seems to me acceptance that everything is toot sweet.Fail to achieve Champions league qualification next year and you will see the club nose dive at a perilous rate.Thats how close this is, and narrow the Margins the Glazer are playing with.
They are not bothered about playing Roulette with the Club it means nothing to them, just a convienent source of easy Dollars
I can totally understand your willing to support the club and trust in Sir Alex that is 100% correct I applaud you.Sir Alex is going to have to call it a day sooner or later, we all naturally hope its later Dave.
Sir Alex is the reason we have achieved success during the Glazer tenure, nothing at all to do with them. If you take that fact as sanity, then you must develop forward life, with out the great man.
We all were high with hopes for the Red Knights to make a successfull bid, its been written about elswhere about that and them.
We need to just think carefully and logically the next stage as fans to show discontent and step up the pressure.
I personnaly dont feel blogs etc Must etc publicise this information of facts against the Glazer.
What I can never understand nor can find a logical reason for Manchester United have a world wide fan base say approximately 75 Million, Must have a support of 169 k, someone is doing there job right and someone aint.MUST should take a more proactive role to shout and shout louder the facts. This is not solely about season ticket supporters(although they have the luxury at present to witness our fabulous team) Its drawing in the world wide support to get all believers on board.
Its not a question of dividing the United support this debate, its a question of ridding the Club.Or there will be no United to divide, in its present form.
@Willie thank,s My Niron buddie ever the realist and rational, Willie all I was trying to do was keep on the thread as best as possible by looking for other possibilities and routes we as fans could raise and debate.I know the No 10 thing was ignored by the Labour government Willie, but it got the Country and the POPULAR press backing fully the Anti Iraq invasion,thats all I was trying to illustrate Willie.
@GHTT I dont know what you are meaning mate Rugrats and screwdrivers, I was trying to be serious I am not sure if you are, lolIf you dont think thousands and thousands of peacefull Manchester United supporters causing traffic chaos and legal upheavel in London would not get huge International media attention then I am sorry, I believe it would, and would only further illustrate to the Glazer its not a done deal,and we are not only a few dimensions, but are planning new tatics and more to come.
@Wayne you are bang on the button mate who sold the club in the first way, and rubber stamped this financing and we know who objected to it vehmently in the first place but turned turtle.
But as you know Wayne the have restructured there arrangements as there was not sufficent acess to get to the Clubs funds in a large enough way, they did this in January 2010 and hence there is now a more serious nose around the Clubs neck.Wayne with the greatest respect we can sit back and do nothing, would you do that if someone was robbing your house, NO, you deal with the Thief then worry about the next stage.
@Jansdad Hi mate long time no communicate "Mad as a bag of Haggis's, the plural is Hagi, lol only joking its Haggis. You have got it keep, it going "you know it makes sense.
Believe IT AINT OVER.

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The Red Devil June 5, 2010

@ RedAscot - the problem with MUST is that they don't shout out the facts. Anyone doing a bit of homework of their own can see quite easily that they, at best, give a worst case scenario at every opportunity and at worst, tell outright lies. It depends on how you want to view these "facts".

That's all well and good but once people suss you out and see that you aren't always telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, they tend not to take everything you say at face value anymore. Your credibility is shot.

MUST's credibility is well and truly shot right now. They jumped into bed with the first people who came along and that figure you see on their website - 160,000 or whatever it is right now... well, I think it is fair to say that you can read that as 40,000 (at most) because most of those people only signed up because the Red Knights said that if certain membership targets were met, they would proceed with the bid. The targets were met. No bid.

As for getting the Government involved. Be careful what you wish for. Everything the government touches turns to shit pretty quickly. Seriously, you don't want some prat who doesn't even know the offside rule telling football clubs how they should be run.

The Glazers are here to stay as far as I can see and as you quite clearly point out, without on field success, their plan is doomed. It is therefore in their best interests to do everything possible to ensure that we remain as successful and competitive as we have been for the five years of their tenure so far.

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redscot June 5, 2010

@The Red Devil, assume that post is aimed at me, read who you adressed it to? I aint been near Ascot in my life.
But I already like you, reading through your post, its thought through and civil, but clearly coming from a different perspective. The facts MUST send out are from financial results, eg balance sheets and profits, within balance sheet the breakdown of cash on hand(Inclusive of Ronaldo sale) the interest paid, the liquidity of the club, the value of the club, the net transfer spend since there arrival, the debt burden.
If you see MUST die then that will coincide with the death of Manchester United(because some fans bury there heads in the sand) I dont note anyone else of regard taking up the baton do you?
Tell me what is wrong with a protest against the government and there handling of these matters, mate I did say in my original rant Manchester United fans, but i listed many clubs who would happily join in on a organized protest we all love our own clubs and the treachery that is allowed to happen at the inception of there purchases and thereafter.
I really dont like to shout people down, your last paragraph, I cant treat seriously your having a joke right.The Red Devil, tell me what they have done for Manchester united, with facts and figures in your own words
Nite Reds. Believe it aint over.

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benb June 5, 2010

redscot -

Hate to be a bitch, but it's hard to take someone seriously about financial issues when they don't know the proper use of 'there'. For the record, and so you don't sound like an idiot when defending an issue we both agree on, there= a place, their= a person's or a group of people's, they're= they are. Got it? Good. Now keep fighting the good fight without sounding like a fucking 13 year old hood.

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Marq June 5, 2010

Gutted for Rio missing out on the world cup. He has been doing some great humanitarian work and he deserves better, unlike a certain Terry AND family. Last read he will be out for up to 8 weeks, that means he would miss quite a bit of preseason training. Hopefully he can be back up to speed when the season starts. That said, he has missed quite alot of matches this year and a half. Hopefully they can find some cure to his back, otherwise it might well be the beginning of the end for Rio.

As for Drogba for breaking his arm... All I can say is... There goes Cannavaro's dream of being a saviour for his team with a bicycle kick, haha.

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The Red Devil June 5, 2010

@redscot - I apologise for spelling your name wrong.

If you'd like to see a thread which brings into question the figures MUST are quoting then take a look at this:-

http://andersred.blogspot.com/2010/05/q3-results-first-thoughts.html

Anders, as I'm sure you know, is the guy behind MUST's "facts & figures".

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Wakey June 5, 2010

@redscot

They don't just send out the results, they give the results, highlight all the 'losses' but refuse to give them any real world or even hisorical context at club level and then give a summary that at best is worst case and at worst lies.

If you go through their statements for example they have on a number of occasions complained about the 'wasted' tens of millions spent on 'Goodwill'. And presented the way they do it seems awful BUT Goodwill is a non-cash deduction related to overpaying for aquiring an asset. Its on the Holding Companies accounts rather than the clubs so no actual money is lost from the club and in reality bears little relevance, its just a accounting entry that does actually save REAL money when it comes to corporation tax payments and the likes.

As for the other clubs you mentioned, its hardly the same. Those clubs are all clubs who were barely viable companies in the past and who then started spending money well outside their means and didn't grow the business side alongside. They would all JUMP at being in United shoes as its a stable and well run business.

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Yergen June 5, 2010

@redscot

Believe me when I tell you that accounting figures are not to be considered as facts. They are subject to as much considerations as anything. So when anyone, from any perspective, quotes figures from a profit and loss statement you have to be wary and critical. Even though certified accountants review these figures, they can be legally manipulated into what you want them to show. And interpreting them is always a question of the glass being half empty/half full.

That's why you need to be equally critical when listening to both MUST and people like Wakey (no offense there mate).

In a sense, I think that a lot of the more vocal people have not put MUST under the same scrutiny as the Glazers. This is not to say that MUST are wrong, just that most of what they say is taken as to be truthful, whereas when even Sir Alex says he has the money he needs is not.

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redscot June 5, 2010

@Benb your post at 4.24, thank you for pointing out the correct use of a word.Can you also rectify Dyslexia ?
If you watch the blog mate, you will see I very seldom stick around for long now, I am not as fast as the other boys/girls at typing I have to take my time.
But thank you again for trying to help me not look like an Idiot and a 13 year old Hood.
If we witnessed your contribution to the blog and the topic, your comment might be taken more seriously.
But feel free to take a pop from afar.

@The Red Devil, no need to apoligise mate, I was just having a wee joke with you regards the name Ascot.
Thanks for the link to AndersRed blog I have been a subsciber for some time to Andy Green's fantastic site. We are just going to have to disagree mate on the Value of the Glazer to Manchester United.
I hope we can communicate again sometime on a football topic, and not so financial.

@Wakey thanks for reply again mate, we are never going to agree on this subject, lets just shake hands mate and move on, neither of us are going to give.
What I will acknowledge you dont half fight your corner well all credit to you mate.
I have sorta lost the will because of the snide comments on my use of English.
Keep it Red Wakey.
@Yergen, thanks for that, I am a 1/2 glass full fellow, although in real life its empty just now.
I do understand the taking all sides on board and digest all facts that is why I read comments like Wakeys to understand. If you think I am a Sheep type lad, you clearly dont read my posts I am free to think and decide for myself, which I have done after hours and hours and more hours of online work.
Again mate what we will agree on we keep it Red, thats were we will get even ground.
Good bye

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The Red Devil June 5, 2010

@redscot - Personally, I always have far more of a problem with people who refuse to at least listen to another side of the argument. We're all guilty of the occasional spelling mistake (blushes!).

I'd rather argue with someone who at least acknowledges the opposite side of the story but types the occasional word wrong than someone who writes perfectly but has their head so far up their own arse that they can't even hear what I am saying.

All I will say is don't believe the hype. We're gonna win this Premier League back this season. There is some awesome talent already at Manchester United and one or two good signings by Fergie will make absolutely certain.

The glass is way more than half-full, mate!

Love United, BE United! (with all due respect to Dave Mack! :D)

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Yergen June 6, 2010

Believe

@redscot
Just don't take a figure for granted just because it's from anyone you trust. Your on your own in this matter.

Love United. End of.

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Yergen June 6, 2010

@ redscot
I'm not claiming you're doing anything wrong, though.

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