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VIDEO: Powell's goals in Europe for Wigan

October 4, 2013

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Nick Powell scored Wigan’s first ever goal in Europe, and their third, in their 3-1 win over Maribor.

Scott Patterson

Scott is the editor of RoM and has a season ticket at Old Trafford. He writes for The Mirror and Red News. He started The Republik of Mancunia in March 2006. Follow @R_o_M on Twitter.

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DreadedRed October 5, 2013

How do I know that I'm to blame, not United? Here is the answer:

www.clutching@straws.com

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Rukky October 5, 2013

How does any loan a zaha and keep a young, where's the justice in this world? Shun the 'raw' talk we heard it b4, we could as well as done the same to a certain raw 18 year old from Portugal

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Rukky October 5, 2013

Nairobired @10:02 well said on critisism of the manager. Anyone whothinks critisism and moaning are the same is way out of line. Support the boss but dont try to convince your self that moyes is the best out there and doesnt need improvement in his alround management

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Proverb October 5, 2013

Why don't we need fellaini?

A lot of fans went on to the social media networks to express their views following the rumors david moyes was lining up a bid for fellaini, his former player at everton, just after he was unveiled as the reds new boss at the end of last season.
The reds are known for their classic fast, silky counter attacking football, a style which saw them enjoy a lot of success under former boss sir alex ferguson.
Its an approach which helped the red devils see off the numerous challenges
From league rivals, one that most impressively contributed in the bid to knocking the scousers off their perch on the way to becoming englands biggest club.

Why is fellaini a bad purchase though?

He's slow, abit static
His passing aren't great either.

However, that said
He certainly has something going about him doesn't he!
The kid is a very bulky, strong both aerially and with ball at feet, he's a huge threat in and around the 18 yard box can hold on to ball if used a target man is really aggressive from corners, such are the positives in having such an all action player. But is it that we really want?

We have quite a lot of technically good forwards both in the first eleven and also in the parking orders who are imo streets better than fellaini, ability wise.

However opportunity have come for them to show the faithful their worth in the squad although their performances have been far fetched, it could be down to limited game time or just getting to grips with the new ideas coming in with our new boss, either way, they have been underwhelming, after all is it the chicken or egg that first came.
Back to topic
is he a Defensive mid (fellaini), modern football has taught us a lot in regards to positional discipline, tactically awareness and last but not least game reading ability, that are some of the requisites a defensive mid has got to grasp, they are must for a top level functional defensive mid in modern game.
Imo, he doesn't have any relation to anything I have noted there.
He's slow which is a pity as he doesn't have any game reading ability going to cover up for his lack of pace.

Reds, get ready for a bumpy ride or I see the most lambasted tom clevz take back his position as our defensive mid alongside carrick in the coming months.

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Proverb October 5, 2013

I will agree with Rukky

Zaha should gradually be eased trough
He's capable, unpredictable, skillful, fast.
Just what we need on that right hand flank to offer abit of width and that fear factor we're lacking at the minute.
Teams resorting to double teaming shows his effectiveness

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Walata October 5, 2013

I have been observing the discourse about our team with keen interest. I appreciate that we all have opinions but I would have thought there would be more of a consensus about our style of play & not necessarily the results. Fellow Mancunians, under the great Sir Alex sometimes the football was not pretty, but it was effective & we got results. Now we are playing probably playing worse (my opinion) & with no results. The common excuse is that David Moyes is still getting to know the team 3 months in & hasn't stamped his style on the team. My answer to that is to examine other teams with managers just as old in the seat....Barcelona, Napoli, Roma....heck even Everton. It is very easy to see that their style of play has changed with their new managers. So it is my humble opinion that this excuse is not tenable.

The questions to ask in my opinion are: do mistakes happen? Could we have chosen the wrong manager? Is it possible we got it wrong? If so what are the signs? And how can it be remedied?

We seem to think we are infallible & are believing all the hubris. We have seen the decline of great empires, it is usually precipitated by a belief in their divine-right & often swifter than their ascent. We have seen how the Liverpool era begun their decline & the contribution of Souness. I hope we don't see ours led by Moyes.

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DreadedRed October 5, 2013

- Do mistakes happen? Err, obviously!
- Could we have chosen the wrong manager? Possibly.
- Is it possible we got it wrong? Again, possibly.
- If so what are the signs? Only known in retrospect, years down the line.
- And how can it be remedied? By avoiding knee-jerk reactions.

United does NOT think we are infallible. We are NOT in decline.

Moyes will successfully lead United for a decade, or more.

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Walata October 5, 2013

@ Dreaded Red,

I have a question for you... It is your opinion that we won' t know if we backed the wrong horse until several years later. Is that still true, for instance, if we miss out on top 4 this season?

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NairobiRed October 5, 2013

@Walata
I agree with you that a new manager will definitely stamp his own playing style on taking over. We have seen it so many times for it not to be true. Liverpool are now playing brendan rogers style football despite his style having cost them a lot of point early in his tenure. Bayern are champions of europe and while they also played some form of possession football, their game was largely based of two class wingers with a single poacher getting at the end of crosses, looking at them now, they are barca mk II. City too are playing a different brand of football. Based on this , I'd argue that what we are seeing is our new managers style of football, and those hoping that the tiger will change it's stripes will be hugely disappointed.
I think this form of football is effective and gets results but its not entertaining and very ugly to watch.

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DreadedRed October 5, 2013

Walata - Yes.

Off to work, enjoy the game Reds! Come on United!

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Proverb October 5, 2013

Moyes style is there to be seen, although in perches. Ugly or not

Are we seriously expecting more with the players we've got?

Come on reds

He's doing a great job than I expected.

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parryheid October 5, 2013

OH his style is there allright,the description is mediocrity.Cue the Moyes fascists.but remember we are a whisker away from going 10 points behind by the weekend.

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Walata October 5, 2013

@ Proverb,

Those players you speak so poorly of won the league last year.

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Proverb October 5, 2013

@Walata no one disagrees
Not sure why you brought that up. Care to explain?
They are capable of scrapping a win, but can they produce the excitement and brilliance of the 08 team?
The answers is no!
That's my point.

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Walata October 5, 2013

Gosh...it's this how it starts? We begin to make excuses for a woeful performance & blame the same set of players who we praised so vociferously last season? All of a sudden Carrick is crap, RVP is terrible etc. these same guys won the league..the only thing that has changed is the manager. I'm not saying fire the gaffer but for anyone to say that the manager is not 100% responsible & seeks to blame other factors is just mind-blogging.

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Proverb October 5, 2013

My last comment applies as response to @
parryheid's

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tony October 5, 2013

want ever mate will smash these lot today.10 points behide you haveing a fucking laugh.united moyes and the players will come good.

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Proverb October 5, 2013

No one doubts their ability
Although folks are demanding brilliance.
With the brand of players we have that's near impossible unless we inject a few youngster who are technically sound (example: januzaj, zaha and so on) into the first eleven team.

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parryheid October 5, 2013

And I'm trying to decipher.But remember Today is game 7.

So as I read it your answer is No it's not mediocrity

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Walata October 5, 2013

We are all united by the fact that we want our team to succeed...obviously our personal biases & preference would influence how we measure that success. Some think its titles, some think it's how attractive our play, some our financial health. On the pitch, however, the table does not lie. If we end the season outside the top 4, heads should roll. I hope it doesn't get to that point & we can claw our way into results & performances. I fully expect to be labeled a wum or other anti-fan term because I am fearful for our future based on what I have seen thus far this season. I truly hope my more optimistic fellow fans are right & I am wrong.

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montanared October 5, 2013

dreaded red 5-12-79--- is that the day you were born or was that the FA Cup final against Arsenal? Even though we lost - it was the heartbreak, the comeback, the jubilation and heartbreak again. A game I will never forget.

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Rukky October 5, 2013

Walata the result dont bother as much as the display and character. In 2/3 years time i really hope to see moyes' own team playings his way but certainly with the traditional adventorous and rentless attitude.

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Proverb October 5, 2013

The likes of young, valencia, fellaini are squad players at best they are incapable of any kind of brilliance, not quick, direct or versatile enough to form a brilliant team.

That said though
You can't take away their usefulness, they are tactically very effective and knows how to curve a place for themselves in the team despite little ability.

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montanared October 5, 2013

@ Walata, the other teams at the top are all dropping points at the moment, hang in there and hopefully things will level off. We definitely need a win today to get the pressure off. It is a marathon not a sprint and we usually play well in the second half of the season. And I agree, wum, troll and cunt get thrown around on here alot, worrying about our present and future makes you none of these, I do think some unity is needed though, if people are at each others throats on here they will be at the ground as well, and that will only affect atmosphere and put more pressure on Moyes

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tony October 5, 2013

we will be there abouts at the end .moyes needs time.like saf was givien time.we are not chelsea we do it the right way.this is move for the long run.not changing your manger every 2 years.if you knew any thing about football you would no this.united are a family club full of tridishion of busby ,saf,. i will suppoot moyes to very end because its the right thing to do .love united hate glazer support the team.

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Walata October 5, 2013

@ Montanared,

Thanks for the positive comments. Hopefully I can laugh about the unfounded fears come season end.

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Proverb October 5, 2013

The mood is shit on here

Can the reds smash 5, 6 or even 10..... Whatever the score but please, just win a freaking Game for once.
I can't remember the last time we lost 3 consecutive matches let alone 4. Come on you redddddds

Not for the points, but for this blog, spare us some fucking sanity

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Proverb October 5, 2013

My ideal line up for tonight:

------------------BIG DAVE

Rafael----smalling----vida----evra

--------------Clevz/Wigo---Carrick-----

Zaha-------Nani--------januzaj
---------------------Robin VP

Wishful thinking I know....

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Proverb October 5, 2013

Alternatively:

-----------------david de gea

Rafael-----evans-----vida------evra

-------------cleverley-----carrick

Nani-------Rooney---------januzaj

-------------------RVP

If players were selected according to form they are in, the big fella should not make the team, him and tony V have been dire. Tony v in particular has been really disappointing both defensively and attack, I don't really know what he offers now other than numbers, can't take excuse he offer defensive assurance

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montanared October 5, 2013

Of course I want United to be totally Dominant, but it was only a few years ago that it was essentially a 4 team league and for a while it was only us or Chelsea that was going to win it, this year it is wide open, so if we are going to have an off year this might be the one year we can get away with it. Keep the faith, keep calm, support the club. Wes has already refused to play against us, I'm calling Frazier misses a sitter, and O'Shea scores an own goal, United win 4-1, then we go on a run and everything is fine. @ Walata, can't say I don't share your'e concern though. It maybe hard to believe but I think alot of fans know the team better than Moyes does, not a knock on DM since if he was doing his job at Everton then he wasn't watching United every week, we have a big Squad and could probably field 2 teams in this league, so It is taking time to evaluate everyone. Every fan has his preferred line-up, I have never played Football Manager but Fergie didn't get it right every game, especially in his last few years, and stability and integrity are things that you cannot get back once you give them away. So yes we could sack DM at the end of the season and spend 150 million on new players , but what if that doesn't work? Hire Klopp and spend another 150 million on players, after a while we are just like everyone else. We'll never die.

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NairobiRed October 5, 2013

@Proverb
The mood is shit coz the performance is shit. Unless Moyes has a hidden wild card- zaha- who will change everything and transform the way we play I suspect even a win will just be temporary respite.
The simplest way to look at it is that at the very end,a few people criticised fergie and the team whenever we lost because the general performances were poor, yet most fans abated from this due to the respect afforded to SAF. But to expect the same preferential treatment to be be given to Moyes who has done nothing as manager is ridiculous.

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Gingerprince18 October 5, 2013

De Gea; Rafael, Evra, Vidic, Jones; Carrick, Cleverley, Januzaj, Nani; Rooney, van Persie.

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Gingerprince18 October 5, 2013

Subs : Lindegaard, Giggs, Smalling, Chicharito, Welbeck, Valencia, Kagawa.

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xyz October 5, 2013

cracking United line-up! Sunderland could be on the end of a hiding....

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Hans October 5, 2013

Moyes can simply not afford to lose this match!!!

Come on United!

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tony October 5, 2013

god willing with this line up we should see some goals

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NairobiRed October 5, 2013

Moyes, please work with this line-up for a few more games. Some positivity. at least. Now waiting to see a faster mode of play and more movement off the ball.

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Burnhard72 October 7, 2013

The New (and improved) Lampard :-)

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